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In a message dated 3/20/2007 8:14:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paul_mannering@... writes:

You should try working for one.

A bank? No that's one place I never worked at. Too much temptation lol.
Bruce

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In a message dated 3/20/2007 8:53:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paul_mannering@... writes:
After 5 years in such an august institution, my main temptation is to reach and out and stab a random idiot in the brain with a ball point pen through the eye.

This is why they have me working in the back office where I can't actually reach customers
Do you have any vacation time coming...like real soon? A Bahamavention or whatever they call it lol.
 

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To:        pota@yahoogroups.com         cc:                 Subject:        [POTA] Cheeta

Cheeta the Chimp (Tarzan fame) will turn 75 on April 9th.  Here is some
Wikipedia information about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeta .  
He shares living space with Dan Westfall in Palm Springs, CA.  

Anyway, it would be really cool if you all would like to send him a
card for his birthday.  This is his address: Cheeta  1033 Francis Dr
Palm Springs,  Calif.  92262.  You can email Dan at:
Cheetathechimp@... .

You can find their website at: http://www.cheetathechimp.org/






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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I am going to the army surplus store to make Taylor & Brent dogtags,
> and I was hoping that the group could offer suggestions as to what
> information should go on them to help make them look as authentic as
> possible... or if the information has been published somewhere...
> Thanks.
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 3:10 pm
> Subject: [POTA] Dogtags
>
> I am going to the army surplus store to make Taylor & Brent dogtags,
> and I was hoping that the group could offer suggestions as to what
> information should go on them to help make them look as authentic as
> possible... or if the information has been published somewhere...
> Thanks.
>
> ____________

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> Dog tags usually have the soldier's surname, given name, social
> security/service number, blood type and religion stamped on them...
> Are you going to make these for sale?...If so, how much?...I'd be
> interested in a set for "Brent, John Christopher"...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > I am going to the army surplus store to make Taylor & Brent
dogtags,
> > and I was hoping that the group could offer suggestions as to
what
> > information should go on them to help make them look as authentic
as
> > possible... or if the information has been published somewhere...
> > Thanks.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
>
> Taylor, George
> 0109047818
> ANSA
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: drhasslein <drhasslein@>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 3:10 pm
> > Subject: [POTA] Dogtags
> >
> > I am going to the army surplus store to make Taylor & Brent
dogtags,
> > and I was hoping that the group could offer suggestions as to
what
> > information should go on them to help make them look as authentic
as
> > possible... or if the information has been published somewhere...
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
__________

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2007 2:13:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> drhasslein@... writes:
>
> suggestions as to what
> information should go on them to help make them look as authentic
as
> possible...
>
>
>
> I'd just base them on a standard Dogtag.
>
> Name:
> Rank:
> Serial #:
> Blood Type:
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** AOL now offers free email to
everyone.
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> The main question I have is if it has been established somewhere,
> Taylor & Brent's blood type , serial #, & religion. Based on the
> actors, I guess you can't get anymore Protestant than Charlton
> Heston, Brent I would guess is Catholic (Franciscus?....)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/21/2007 2:13:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > drhasslein@ writes:
> >
> > suggestions as to what
> > information should go on them to help make them look as
authentic
> as
> > possible...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd just base them on a standard Dogtag.
> >
> > Name:
> > Rank:
> > Serial #:
> > Blood Type:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************** AOL now offers free email
to
> everyone.
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It might be possible to track down that information based on the actors - Charlton Heston's religious background and blood type should be found SOMEWHERE....

 

"drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> Sent by: pota@yahoogroups.com 22/03/2007 05:05 P.M. Please respond to pota

To:        pota@yahoogroups.com         cc:                 Subject:        [POTA] Re: Dogtags

I was going to make a few just as a party favour for an ape video
marathon. I thought about making a couple extra and putting them on
ebay, but I didn't think they would sell because anyone could go to
the local surplus store and have them made, but I would like to make
them consistant, with accurate information...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> Dog tags usually have the soldier's surname, given name, social
> security/service number, blood type and religion stamped on them...
> Are you going to make these for sale?...If so, how much?...I'd be
> interested in a set for "Brent, John Christopher"...
>
> G
>
>  --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > I am going to the army surplus store to make Taylor & Brent
dogtags,
> > and I was hoping that the group could offer suggestions as to
what
> > information should go on them to help make them look as authentic
as
> > possible... or if the information has been published somewhere...
> > Thanks.
> >
>





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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
>
> Taylor, George
> 0109047818
> ANSA
>
>

>
> Check out this news from the Jerry Goldsmith website about the Fox

> SAND PEBBLES and VON RYAN'S EXPRESS:
>
> http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com/news.htm
>
> This makes me very hopeful for contents of a future DVD release of

>
> Also, check out the changing pictures on that news page to see

> wearing a gorilla mask while he's recording POTA's score!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
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> Does anyone know the origin of the ominous
> post-speech music that ends Conquest. It has
> the thunderous drums and the dramatic violin stings.
> It's not on the Conquest sountrack CD,
> and I think it's a re-use from somewhere else but
> can't find it.
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> KR
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I just got it. That's what is written on the sideshow Nova dogtag.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@> wrote:
> >
> > Taylor, George
> > 0109047818
> > ANSA
> >
> >
>

>From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>,<PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [POTA] OT: DVD turns 10 !
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:46:27 -0800
>
> According to www.thedigitalbits.com , DVD was introduced to the U.S. 10
>years ago tomorrow (March 24, 1997). It had already been introduced in
>Japan the previous November and some machines had already arrived. But
>3/24/97 was the arrival of movies (from Warner Bros., the biggest early
>booster) and test marketing and is as good as any marker. I didn't partake
>until 2000 and, yes, my first DVDs were the POTA Collection.
> Of course, everyone has their own ideas about how DVD has impacted their
>life. For me it's just incredible the industry that has rose creating
>extras. The documentaries, the interviews that are being done specifically
>for the DVD market are priceless. Photos, designs, deleted scenes, all this
>stuff we lament the lack of for the original "Apes" stuff is now being
>archived and preserved, and we don't have to trust a studio to watch over
>it.
> Another cool thing is the ability to collect complete runs of TV shows.
>Fox was a pioneer of this and I believe POTA was one of the first TV shows
>to be complete on DVD.
> In any case, maybe watch your favorite DVD or whatever to celebrate. The
>mind boggles what's coming in the next 10. Jeff

>
> Does anyone know the origin of the ominous post-speech music that

> the thunderous drums and the dramatic violin stings. It's not on the

> and I think it's a re-use from somewhere else but can't find it.
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> KR
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, frohike60@... wrote:
>
>
> I hope no one goes nuts over this request. Does anyone have the
opening themes to Conquest and Battle as MP3's? Years ago I got the
Escape Suite off of Audiogalaxy (sigh) but could never find the others.
>
>
____________

>
> What is the middle number? Is rank not listed? And is the idea that
> ANSA is a division of NASA considered cannon?
>

Actually they do. In the opening scene of Planet they show the ship time clock.

Taylor also states that it is six months from their launch. So you can reasonably assume they were launched in January of 1972.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "R E Zuleta" <re_zuleta@...> wrote:
>
> Also if you only take into consideration the first 2 movies, they never
> really tell you what year TAYLOR and BRENT would've originally traveled
> (or comed) from. They simply showed the crew in suspended animation,
> and the chronometer on board TAYLOR's ship counting forward.
>
> REZULETA
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> > --- "Keith J. Rainville" <krainville@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know the origin of the ominous
> > > post-speech music that ends Conquest. It has
> > > the thunderous drums and the dramatic violin stings.
> > > It's not on the Conquest sountrack CD,
> > > and I think it's a re-use from somewhere else but
> > > can't find it.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help!
> > >
> > > KR
> >
>
> It's the end of Goldsmith's "The Search (Continues)" cue from
PLANET.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I have to go out of town again for two weeks and
> seeing as I am already 137 messages behind, I'm going
> to switch to "special notices" for a bit! But I'll be
> back around the 7th of April
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
__________

Just wanted to remind anyone interested in a printed version of the Presidential Commission Briefing Dossier (available for viewing on Hunter's site) that Siman Scrolls #13 contains a special pullout with highlights from the Dossier.

Please contact Kass at valwp@... to order.

Also, there are currently no printed versions of the Ape City Map being made available.

If and when a printed version is made available, we'll let you know. The full size map is still available for viewing on the Group site and the Mirror Website.

Oh please. Around here Dave Pasco is God. I'm just one of his prophets.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, frohike60@... wrote:
>
>
> You are a god.
>

>
>
> Just wanted to remind anyone interested in a
> printed version of the Presidential Commission
> Briefing Dossier (available for viewing on Hun-
> ter's site <https://pota.goatley.com/> ) that
> Siman Scrolls #13 contains a special pullout
> with highlights from the Dossier.
>
> <https://pota.goatley.com/misc/briefing-dossier.pdf>
>
> Please contact Kass at valwp@... <mailto:valwp@...> to
> order.

> And honestly, I could find only one notable fault
> with it, that of the starship's engine being capable
> of achieving the .85 of the speed of light.

> The only way the effect observed can be greater than
> what .85C can account for, is if the drive did 'something
> more' than allow for near light-speed velocities, and as
> faer as i know, the drive has never been described as be-
> ing able to do that 'something more'.

>>"You bloody bastard..." <<

>>What did Taylor say just prior to detonating the

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Apparently a few people have been having problems contacting me at my
> Juno address, so if you're trying to get in touch and it doesn't work
> just post a message here on the mailing list and I'll contact you.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris L.
>

>>Longtime English PR readers may want to know that the English

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> We related your observations to Professor Victoria Hasslein of
NASA's
> Theoretical Propulsion, R&D Dept. (She declined to comment when we
> enquired if she was a relation). She told us that:
>
> "The Nuclear Fusion Drive was, on paper, designed to achieve .85 of
> the speed of light. Initial tests (within our Solar system) gave no
> indication that it was ever capable of anything greater, and so,
the
> figure stated in the report would, at the time of its preparation,
> been believed to have been correct.
>
> One must allow that the dossier was assembled in a time of great
> anxiety and confusion. When very little was actually known and most
> was only being guessed at. Even now, forty-odd years later, much of
> its contents are still a matter of conjecture. However, we believe
> that the Taylor mission, far from falling short of expectations,
MAY
> have surpassed them!
>
> Why are we so uncertain? Because the notorious ANSA program was
> suspended. But, after decades of investigation into what hard facts
> remain we believe that 'something more' did indeed occur to compound
> the temporal anomalies recorded in the flight logs.
>
> The properties of what was then commonly referred to as a 'Hasslien
> Curve', (these days better known as a black hole‚) are theoretical
> only and until such time as the ANSA program, or something similar,
> is resurrected, will remain just that. The only thing we can state
> with any certainty is that some external force - and one that was
> totally independent of the Nuclear Fusion Drive - appears to have
had
> a measurable effect on the outcome of the mission.
>
> Space is vast unknown. In the face of it what we think we know as
> absolute truth amounts to naught. The only certainty is that in the
> great expanse of the unexplored we can predict and count on very
little.
>
> If the ANSA program taught us anything, it taught us that our first
> steps beyond our solar system must be taken with great humility. If
we
> swagger into the unknown with the arrogance of believing we
> understand exactly how it works, then something, never before
> encountered, is always 'just around the nebula'. 'Something' is
> always out there, ready and waiting with infinite patience to prove
> to us, in an often harsh and brutal fashion, that we truly know
> nothing at all."
>
> Professor Victoria Hasslein
>

Thank you Peter. Glad you enjoyed it.

See below for answers to your questions.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Just read/looked at the Briefing Dossier.
>
> Well made and well done to those responsible for making it.
>
> Now some questions/comments, I assume the people responsible did
> research for this dossier because:
>
> 1) ANSA = Advanced Nuclear Stellar Acceleration, but to my knowledge
> doesn't ANSA stand for American National Space Administration.

There is no definition for ANSA given in any of the films (or scripts). Rather than borrow (or plagerize) someone else's definition; an original definition for ANSA was used.

In Escape, the President mentions NASA. So NASA exists in the POTA universe. Thus, it is not an unreasonable assumption that ANSA was a project under the authority of NASA.

>
> 2)September 13th 1973, this date is debatable my research gives the
> date December 26th 1973, for splashdown, as the December date is
> closer to the movie timeline.

True the date is debatable. In Planet Taylor establishes that his mission was launched in January of 1972. In Escape  the President stated that Taylor's ship was missing for 2 years. It can be assumed he was generalizing because the year is established as 1973, not 1974. Thus, placing the splashdown of the Ape-O-nauts in Spring or Summer of 1973 would be too early in the year. Plus, since Armando's Circus is getting ready to move to their Winter quarters means it is late in the year. But how late?

During the final meeting of the Presidential Commision, the Chairman states that the year is still 1973. If you use the 12/26 date, that would mean everything that happened in the film up to that point took place in less than 4 days. That doesn't make any sense. Zira's pregnancy isn't even showing in the early parts of the film.

Therefore, fall seemed to be the most logical time to place the Ape-O-nauts splashdown. That gives Zira's pregnancy time enough to come to term without making the President's 2 year remark seem unreasonable.

>
> 3) Maddox's Given name of Andrew, where did it come from?

The character is given no name other than 'Skipper' in the film, credits or script. The last name of Maddox is what is on the name tag of his uniform in the film. The actor was Tod Andrews, thus his real last name was used as the character's first name.

>
> 4) Isn't Maddox a Colonel not a Captain. (I could be wrong)

As with his name, no rank was given for the character. A Naval Captain is equivalent to a Colonel in the other Armed Services. And it seemed logical to make him a Naval officer since most of the early astronauts came from the Navy or Marines.  

>
> 5) Isn't Landon a Lieutenant not a Captain.

Again, no rank is established for the character in the film or script. He is described as being the at the top of his class. While a normal cadet is given the rank of Lieutenant upon graduation, it is not unusual for those at the top of a class to be skipped up a grade in rank. Also, many times military officers were given promotions upon being accepted into the Astronaut program.
>
> 6) Dodge and Stewart are Doctors, where did the information come
> from?

The character of Dodge is protrayed as a dedicated scientist. It is not illogical to assume that he held a doctorate in one or more fields of science.

In the case of Stewart, Taylor's mission was of long duration so it would make sense that a medical doctor would be included in case of illness or injury of one of the crew. Taylor, Landon & Dodge can be all ruled out for filing that role.

>
> 7) It stated that 1965 is the year that ANSA began, but this doesn't
> make sense, wouldn't 1969 be more acceptable, especially after the
> moon landing and not before to consider interstellar colonization, I
> mean, let's see if we can get to the moon first, before going beyond
> the solar system, right?

Project Apollo was begun by NASA in 1963 before the completion of projects Mercury and Gemini. The Space Shuttle program began long before the last of the Apollo moon landings. In those days, NASA didn't wait for the completion of one program to begin the next. Due to the need to design and test new technology needed, new projects and programs were started long before current ones had ended.

>  and besides why didn't NASA use the Nuclear
> Fusion Drive to go to the moon?

For the same reason Saturn rockets were not used for Project Gemini. They were still being designed and tested at the time.

>
> Regards.
>
> Peter.
>
Thank you again for your comments Peter.

Our goal in creating the Dossier was to respect what was established in the films while filling in the blanks. The films themselves, and where necessary the scripts, were the primary sources. Knowledge of NASA and the space program in the '60s & '70s was a secondary source. Where there were holes, we used our own imaginations rather than borrow (or plagerize) from other sources.

> There is no definition for ANSA given in any of the films (or

> During the final meeting of the Presidential Commision, the Chairman
> states that the year is still 1973.

> If you use the 12/26 date.

See below.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi James here some more comments/questions:
>
> > There is no definition for ANSA given in any of the films (or
> scripts). Rather than borrow (or plagerize) someone else's
> definition; an original definition for ANSA was used.
>
> Where Did you get the original definition from?

Somewhere from the dark recesses of my mind lodged between a repressed childhood memory and Apes Now Speak, Amigo!

>
> > During the final meeting of the Presidential Commision, the Chairman
> > states that the year is still 1973.
>
> > If you use the 12/26 date.
>
> Yes but that was the splashdown date; when the Chairman stated it was
> 1973 the date calculated was 31/12/1973, everything before that
> statement was in the year 1973, everything after was 1974.

The 12/26 date just doesn't make sense when looking at the events as presented in the film.

Day One: 12/26 - The Ape-O-nauts splashdown.

Day Two: 12/27 - Milo is killed in the Zoo, the President meets with Military and Cabinet members.

Day Three: 12/28 - The Commission of Inquiry meets for the first time.

Day Four: 12/29 - C&Z check into the hotel, go shopping and have their cocktail party.

Up to here everything is reasonable but there is only 2 days left to fit in a lot of events.

Day Five: 12/30 - Zira faints in the Museum, Hasslein gets her drunk.

Now you have to assume Hasslein immediatly flew back to Washington (a 5 hour flight) to meet with the President and play the recording.

Day Six: 12/31 - Again here you have to assume Hasslein flew right back to LA (another 5 hour flight), met with Commission in the morning and had them approve moving C&Z to the military camp. Dixon and Branton drive the right to the camp from the hotel that afternoon. Then C&Z are immediately interogated, Zira is drugged and recorded. Hasslein brings the recording back to the Commission that night, they immediately send their recommendation to the President and he immediately approves the recommendation.

Add to that on Day Five Zira's pregnancy was not showing yet she is on Day Six. So her pregnancy came to term overnight.

I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense that all of this took place on one day. Plus if it was Christmas week why are no Christmas decorations seen anywhere. Also, why is Armando's Circus still in LA so late in the year and not yet in their winter quarters.

When you add everything up the 12/26 date just doesn't work.

>
> Otherwise all other information given is acceptable, thaks again for
> your insight.
>
> Regards.
>
> Peter.
>

>>You must be mistaken, Chris...I don't know of anyone who'd want to

On 3/27/07, Vin Scimone <vscimone@...> wrote:

Hello all.

First off, I'm new to this group, so a big hello to everyone.

I just watched "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary and it
mentioned (and showed a little bit) of Arthur P. Jacob's pitch book.
It goes on to say that he hired 5 artists to create conceptual drawings
of some of his ideas which he then took around to the studios to pitch
the movie concept..

Does anyone know anything about this pitch book and this artwork? Who
the artists were? Is this artwork available anywhere (not necessarily
the originals but a place/book/site to see it all)? They show some of
the artwork in the documentary, but I would love to see more...

Thanks!

Vin

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Hi Dave,

I grabbed a bunch of shots showing the 3 flag types, and some show the back packs as well.

I also threw together some mockups of the flags.... nothing 100% accurate but a good representation I think.

Screen Grabs 

Flag 1 

Flag 2 

Flag 3 

Hope this helps with whatever you are working on.

Best,

Vin

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Lepage" <lepageman8@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for a deccent screen shot that shows the flag(s) the
> army is carrying in Beneath and also a good photo of thier backpacks.
> Hope someone can help!?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Vin Scimone" <vscimone@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all.
>
> First off, I'm new to this group, so a big hello to everyone.
>
> I just watched "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary and it
> mentioned (and showed a little bit) of Arthur P. Jacob's pitch
book.
> It goes on to say that he hired 5 artists to create conceptual
drawings
> of some of his ideas which he then took around to the studios to
pitch
> the movie concept..
>
> Does anyone know anything about this pitch book and this artwork?
Who
> the artists were? Is this artwork available anywhere (not
necessarily
> the originals but a place/book/site to see it all)? They show some
of
> the artwork in the documentary, but I would love to see more...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Vin
>

>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I grabbed a bunch of shots showing the 3 flag types, and some show

> back packs as well.
>
> I also threw together some mockups of the flags.... nothing 100%
> accurate but a good representation I think.
>
> Screen Grabs <http://www.vinscimone.com/pota/Pota_Flags.jpg>
>
> <http://www.vinscimone.com/www/pota/Pota_Flags.jpg> Flag 1
> <http://www.vinscimone.com/www/pota/Pota_Flag_1.jpg>
>
> Flag 2 <http://www.vinscimone.com/www/pota/Pota_Flag_2.jpg>
>
> Flag 3 <http://www.vinscimone.com/www/pota/Pota_Flag_2.jpg>
>
> Hope this helps with whatever you are working on.
>
> Best,
>
> Vin
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Lepage" <lepageman8@> wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for a deccent screen shot that shows the flag(s) the
> > army is carrying in Beneath and also a good photo of thier

> > Hope someone can help!?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Dave

> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> See below.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi James here some more comments/questions:
> >
> > > There is no definition for ANSA given in any of the films (or
> > scripts). Rather than borrow (or plagerize) someone else's
> > definition; an original definition for ANSA was used.
> >
> > Where Did you get the original definition from?
>
> Somewhere from the dark recesses of my mind lodged between a
repressed
> childhood memory and Apes Now Speak, Amigo!
>
> >
> > > During the final meeting of the Presidential Commision, the
Chairman
> > > states that the year is still 1973.
> >
> > > If you use the 12/26 date.
> >
> > Yes but that was the splashdown date; when the Chairman stated
it was
> > 1973 the date calculated was 31/12/1973, everything before that
> > statement was in the year 1973, everything after was 1974.
>
> The 12/26 date just doesn't make sense when looking at the events
as
> presented in the film.
>
> Day One: 12/26 - The Ape-O-nauts splashdown.
>
> Day Two: 12/27 - Milo is killed in the Zoo, the President meets
with
> Military and Cabinet members.
>
> Day Three: 12/28 - The Commission of Inquiry meets for the first
time.
>
> Day Four: 12/29 - C&Z check into the hotel, go shopping and have
their
> cocktail party.
>
> Up to here everything is reasonable but there is only 2 days left
to fit
> in a lot of events.
>
> Day Five: 12/30 - Zira faints in the Museum, Hasslein gets her
drunk.
>
> Now you have to assume Hasslein immediatly flew back to Washington
(a 5
> hour flight) to meet with the President and play the recording.
>
> Day Six: 12/31 - Again here you have to assume Hasslein flew right
back
> to LA (another 5 hour flight), met with Commission in the morning
and
> had them approve moving C&Z to the military camp. Dixon and Branton
> drive the right to the camp from the hotel that afternoon. Then
C&Z are
> immediately interogated, Zira is drugged and recorded. Hasslein
brings
> the recording back to the Commission that night, they immediately
send
> their recommendation to the President and he immediately approves
the
> recommendation.
>
> Add to that on Day Five Zira's pregnancy was not showing yet she
is on
> Day Six. So her pregnancy came to term overnight.
>
> I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense that all of this took
place on
> one day. Plus if it was Christmas week why are no Christmas
decorations
> seen anywhere. Also, why is Armando's Circus still in LA so late
in the
> year and not yet in their winter quarters.
>
> When you add everything up the 12/26 date just doesn't work.
>
>
> >
> > Otherwise all other information given is acceptable, thaks again
for
> > your insight.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Peter.
> >
>

>
>Just wanted to remind anyone interested in a printed version of the
>Presidential Commission Briefing Dossier (available for viewing on
>Hunter's site <https://pota.goatley.com/> ) that Siman Scrolls #13
>contains a special pullout with highlights from the Dossier.
>
> <https://pota.goatley.com/misc/briefing-dossier.pdf>
>
>Please contact Kass at valwp@... <mailto:valwp@...> to
>order.
>
>Also, there are currently no printed versions of the Ape City Map being
>made available.
>
>
>
>If and when a printed version is made available, we'll let you know. The
>full size map is still available for viewing on the Group site
><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Maps.htm> and the
>Mirror Website <http://www.freewebs.com/planetoftheapes/> .
>
>
>

Dave,

It occurred to me that I screwed up the last link.

Try these:

Best,

Vin

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "0" <vscimone@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> It occurred to me that I screwed up the last link.
>
> Try these:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Vin
>

>
> These are kuel, Vin!...Can we put them in the Files?...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "crlttren" <crlttren@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have the very first french edition of POTA.
>
> "La planète des singes", January, 8, 1963 - Editions Tallandier,
> Cercle du nouveau livre.
>
> In a very fine condition...
>
> If you want pics or more information...
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>

In a message dated 3/28/2007 8:31:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mark@worldoflongmir e.com writes:

and then go even farther with a regional map showing the location and route that Taylor, Nova, Cornelius, Zira, and Julius took to the cave.

 

Julius never went to the cave.

 

 

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>
> Hi James,
>
> Here's the chronlogy of events in 1973/74 in Escape
>
>
> 1973]
>
>
> December 26 – The Astræa reappears mysteriously within nearby

> It lands off the southern California coast, slightly north of San
> Clemente and is met by mobilized United States Navy spaceflight
> recovery crews.
>
> The date is arrived at because in the movie Zira and the Chairman

> the Presidential Commission clearly state the year of 1973. But the
> President also states "Yesterday, a US spacecraft splashed down off
> the southern California coast. It was one of two that have been
> missing in space for over two years now. To be exact, the one
> commanded by Colonel Taylor..." So by putting all this information
> together, the best and closest date to fit all three statements
> satisfactory is the above.
> The Astræa is found to be piloted by three speaking chimpanzees who
> identify themselves as Doctors' Cornelius, Zira and Milo. The apes
> are first taken to the nearby military air base and then to the Los
> Angeles Zoo. They are met by two animal psychiatrists, Doctors'
> Lewis Dixson and Stephanie Branton. (Escape)
>
> December 27 – Dr. Milo is killed by a gorilla. (Escape)
>
> "Through an unfortunate accident, one of them was killed early this
> morning, in the Los Angeles Zoo." President of the United States.
>
> December 28 – Cornelius and Zira are brought before the First
> Presidential Commission and are accepted as friends of the planet
> Earth. (Escape)
>
> "I have therefore decided to convene a Presidential Commission of
> Inquiry in Los Angeles, tomorrow. The two surviving apes will be
> presented to the Commission..." President of the United States.
>
> December 29 – Second Presidential Commission is held in secret
> session. (Escape)
>
> "…they will not be required to appear before the Commission
> tomorrow…" Bill Bonds.
>
> Cornelius and Zira move into the Beverly Wilshire hotel. (Escape)
>
> "…they will, however, be taken from the zoo infirmary to a hotel…"
> Bill Bonds.
>
> December 30 – Zira lectures at the "Bay Area Women's Club", and

> to the Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History with Dr.
> Hasslein.
>
> "…tomorrow, Zira is to speak at the `Bay Area Women's Club', and
> later, she'll accompany Dr. Hasslein to the `Museum of Natural
> History'…" Newscaster.
>
> Cornelius goes to the "fights" with Dr. Lewis Dixson.
>
> "…meanwhile, Cornelius will attend a prizefight…" Newscaster.
>
> Through underhanded interrogation and analysis of the Astræa, Dr.
> Hasslein gets Zira drunk and learns of the ultimate fate of the
> human race and the planet.
>
> Dr. Hasslein convinces the President that the apes are a threat to
> Mankind, and orders another Presidential Commission.
>
> That evening, the Third Presidential Commission held is secret
> session. (Escape)
>
> "…the ape-onauts will in fact be escorted by Dr. Lewis Dixon to the
> installation known as Camp Eleven and held there, in his care, for
> interrogation by the CIA under the guidance and supervision of Dr.
> Otto Hasslein…" Chairman.
>
> December 31 – The next morning Cornelius and Zira are taken to a
> military base known as Camp XI for further interrogation.
>
> Under interrogation, Cornelius and Zira reveal mankind's downfall
> and Apekind's rise.
>
> Under sodium pentothal, Zira reveals the treatment of humans at the
> hands of apes.
>
> The Fourth Presidential Commission is held in secret session.
>
> "…the Commission unanimously recommends that the birth of the

> ape's unborn child should be prevented; and that, after its

> removal, both the male and the female should humanely be rendered
> incapable of bearing another…" Chairman.
>
> That evening, in their quarters, Cornelius accidentally kills their
> orderly and they escape.
>
> Zira begins labor.
>
> Dr. Stephanie Branton helps Cornelius and Zira by bringing them
> to "Armando's Circus".
>
> Zira gives birth to Milo. (Escape From the Planet of the Apes)
>
> Chimpanzees have a pregnancy period of between 33-34 weeks (231-238
> days) the average being 231.5 days. Thus it clearly shows that Zira
> was already pregnant before she, Cornelius and Milo left the Earth.
>
> "How long have you known?" Hasslein questions.
> "Since before the war" Zira answers.
>
> If the Earth was not destroyed, Milo would have been born on the

> of February 3979.
>
> 1974]
>
> January 1 –. Next morning Dr. Hasslein orders an intensified search
> for Cornelius and Zira.
>
> "…I want you to mount a systematic an immediate search of every

> every menagerie, every circus…" Hasslein orders.
>
> That evening, Lewis and Stephanie help Cornelius and Zira hide in
> the McKinley & Son derelict shipyard. (Escape From the Planet of

> Apes)
>
> January 2 – Next morning, Dr. Hasslein discovers Cornelius and Zira
> on the derelict ship, who kills Milo and fatally wounds Zira.
> Cornelius seeing this shoots and kills Dr. Hasslein, who is then
> shot by the police. (Escape From the Planet of the Apes)
>
> January 31 – Armando packs up his circus. (Escape From the Planet

> the Apes)
>
> "…In a month, in just one month, we move on to our winter quarters
> in Florida…" Armando informs.
>
> Before their fateful day of Cornelius and Zira's death, Zira swaps
> Milo for Salome's baby chimpanzee at Armando's circus; thus

> Milo's survival under Armando's care.
>
> Regards.
>
> Peter.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > See below.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi James here some more comments/questions:
> > >
> > > > There is no definition for ANSA given in any of the films (or
> > > scripts). Rather than borrow (or plagerize) someone else's
> > > definition; an original definition for ANSA was used.
> > >
> > > Where Did you get the original definition from?
> >
> > Somewhere from the dark recesses of my mind lodged between a
> repressed
> > childhood memory and Apes Now Speak, Amigo!
> >
> > >
> > > > During the final meeting of the Presidential Commision, the
> Chairman
> > > > states that the year is still 1973.
> > >
> > > > If you use the 12/26 date.
> > >
> > > Yes but that was the splashdown date; when the Chairman stated
> it was
> > > 1973 the date calculated was 31/12/1973, everything before that
> > > statement was in the year 1973, everything after was 1974.
> >
> > The 12/26 date just doesn't make sense when looking at the events
> as
> > presented in the film.
> >
> > Day One: 12/26 - The Ape-O-nauts splashdown.
> >
> > Day Two: 12/27 - Milo is killed in the Zoo, the President meets
> with
> > Military and Cabinet members.
> >
> > Day Three: 12/28 - The Commission of Inquiry meets for the first
> time.
> >
> > Day Four: 12/29 - C&Z check into the hotel, go shopping and have
> their
> > cocktail party.
> >
> > Up to here everything is reasonable but there is only 2 days left
> to fit
> > in a lot of events.
> >
> > Day Five: 12/30 - Zira faints in the Museum, Hasslein gets her
> drunk.
> >
> > Now you have to assume Hasslein immediatly flew back to

> (a 5
> > hour flight) to meet with the President and play the recording.
> >
> > Day Six: 12/31 - Again here you have to assume Hasslein flew

> back
> > to LA (another 5 hour flight), met with Commission in the morning
> and
> > had them approve moving C&Z to the military camp. Dixon and

> > drive the right to the camp from the hotel that afternoon. Then
> C&Z are
> > immediately interogated, Zira is drugged and recorded. Hasslein
> brings
> > the recording back to the Commission that night, they immediately
> send
> > their recommendation to the President and he immediately approves
> the
> > recommendation.
> >
> > Add to that on Day Five Zira's pregnancy was not showing yet she
> is on
> > Day Six. So her pregnancy came to term overnight.
> >
> > I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense that all of this took
> place on
> > one day. Plus if it was Christmas week why are no Christmas
> decorations
> > seen anywhere. Also, why is Armando's Circus still in LA so late
> in the
> > year and not yet in their winter quarters.
> >
> > When you add everything up the 12/26 date just doesn't work.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Otherwise all other information given is acceptable, thaks

> for
> > > your insight.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Peter.
> > >
> >
>

Hi Vin,

Welcome to the group.

At some University in California there is an Arthur Jacobs archive. made up his papers that were donated by his late wife. I'm not sure what exactly is the archive and no group member has had a chance to visit it so the book may be in there or not.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Vin Scimone" <vscimone@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all.
>
> First off, I'm new to this group, so a big hello to everyone.
>
> I just watched "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary and it
> mentioned (and showed a little bit) of Arthur P. Jacob's pitch book.
> It goes on to say that he hired 5 artists to create conceptual drawings
> of some of his ideas which he then took around to the studios to pitch
> the movie concept..
>
> Does anyone know anything about this pitch book and this artwork? Who
> the artists were? Is this artwork available anywhere (not necessarily
> the originals but a place/book/site to see it all)? They show some of
> the artwork in the documentary, but I would love to see more...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Vin
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Longmire" <mark@...> wrote:
>
> I think it would be interesting if the Ape City map was extended to
show the locations of General Ursus' military training camp seen in
Beneath, and then go even farther with a regional map showing the
location and route that Taylor, Nova, Cornelius, Zira, and Julius took
to the cave. Just a thought.
>