Again, as one of the Moderators here, I am asking that we not take
someone elses views or opinions as personal attacks...
FYI, Peter is not a Moderator, and his opinion is not our
policy...But, he is free to express it, as long as it is not aimed at
any specific individual(s) ...

In the sense of all fairness, as well, perhaps we should look at
ourselves and see if we are being too sensitive about our opinions;
and perhaps we should look at others to see if they are not being too
sensitive to us...Either way, perhaps we need to adjust our posts a
little for the peace and general enjoyment of the whole group...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, frohike60@.. . wrote:
>
> Then please ban me for saying that a fan film was stupid. If you're
> going to be that politically correct, I'd rather be elsewhere with
my
> time.
>
>
> People shouldn't fear their governments, Governments should fear
their
> people. -V, V For Vendetta
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Karsten <peter_karsten63@ ...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 9:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [POTA] Group Etiquette
>
> I think if current or new members don't adhere to the guidelines,
they
> should be banned from the group, after sufficent warning.
>
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R Gummow <tikiman1705@...> Sent by: pota@yahoogroups.com 24/04/2007 02:22 P.M. Please respond to pota

To:        pota@yahoogroups.com         cc:                 Subject:        Re: [POTA] Re: Group Etiquette

OK everyone.  We can all get along here. No one wants anyone banned. Just consider the other persons point of view and move on. We are all just having fun anyway. In cases like this ask your self. WWDZD. What would Dr. Zaius do? Well maybe that's not such a good example, after all vivisection and or immasculation isn't really an option here. Is it? If it is please let me know quickly so I can adjust and learn to get along with everyone quickly. Perhaps. We should consider brain washing. My understanding is that all you must do is remove the brain from the cranium and wash it in cold water.

Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
Again, as one of the Moderators here, I am asking that we not take
someone elses views or opinions as personal attacks...
FYI, Peter is not a Moderator, and his opinion is not our
policy...But, he is free to express it, as long as it is not aimed at
any specific individual(s)...

In the sense of all fairness, as well, perhaps we should look at
ourselves and see if we are being too sensitive about our opinions;
and perhaps we should look at others to see if they are not being too
sensitive to us...Either way, perhaps we need to adjust our posts a
little for the peace and general enjoyment of the whole group...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, frohike60@... wrote:

>
> Then please ban me for saying that a fan film was stupid. If you're
> going to be that politically correct, I'd rather be elsewhere with

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, R Gummow <tikiman1705@...> wrote:
>
> OK everyone. We can all get along here. No one wants anyone
banned. Just consider the other persons point of view and move on. We
are all just having fun anyway. In cases like this ask your self.
WWDZD. What would Dr. Zaius do? Well maybe that's not such a good
example, after all vivisection and or immasculation isn't really an
option here. Is it? If it is please let me know quickly so I can
adjust and learn to get along with everyone quickly. Perhaps. We
should consider brain washing. My understanding is that all you must
do is remove the brain from the cranium and wash it in cold water.
>
> Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote: Again, as one of the
Moderators here, I am asking that we not take
> someone elses views or opinions as personal attacks...
> FYI, Peter is not a Moderator, and his opinion is not our
> policy...But, he is free to express it, as long as it is not aimed
at
> any specific individual(s)...
>
> In the sense of all fairness, as well, perhaps we should look at
> ourselves and see if we are being too sensitive about our opinions;
> and perhaps we should look at others to see if they are not being
too
> sensitive to us...Either way, perhaps we need to adjust our posts a
> little for the peace and general enjoyment of the whole group...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, frohike60@ wrote:
> >
> > Then please ban me for saying that a fan film was stupid. If
you're
> > going to be that politically correct, I'd rather be elsewhere
with
> my
> > time.
> >
> >
> > People shouldn't fear their governments, Governments should fear
> their
> > people. -V, V For Vendetta
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Karsten <peter_karsten63@>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 9:57 pm
> > Subject: Re: [POTA] Group Etiquette
> >
> > I think if current or new members don't adhere to the guidelines,
> they
> > should be banned from the group, after sufficent warning.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
>
> WWDZD... now theres a good philosophy for all aspects of life.
>
> I know a bunch of folks who could only benefit from being neutered.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> R Gummow <tikiman1705@...>
> Sent by: pota@yahoogroups.com
> 24/04/2007 02:22 P.M.
> Please respond to pota
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Group Etiquette
>
>
> OK everyone. We can all get along here. No one wants anyone
banned. Just
> consider the other persons point of view and move on. We are all
just
> having fun anyway. In cases like this ask your self. WWDZD. What
would Dr.
> Zaius do? Well maybe that's not such a good example, after all
vivisection
> and or immasculation isn't really an option here. Is it? If it is
please
> let me know quickly so I can adjust and learn to get along with
everyone
> quickly. Perhaps. We should consider brain washing. My
understanding is
> that all you must do is remove the brain from the cranium and wash
it in
> cold water.
>
> Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
> Again, as one of the Moderators here, I am asking that we not take
> someone elses views or opinions as personal attacks...
> FYI, Peter is not a Moderator, and his opinion is not our
> policy...But, he is free to express it, as long as it is not aimed
at
> any specific individual(s)...
>
> In the sense of all fairness, as well, perhaps we should look at
> ourselves and see if we are being too sensitive about our opinions;
> and perhaps we should look at others to see if they are not being
too
> sensitive to us...Either way, perhaps we need to adjust our posts a
> little for the peace and general enjoyment of the whole group...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, frohike60@ wrote:
> >
> > Then please ban me for saying that a fan film was stupid. If
you're
> > going to be that politically correct, I'd rather be elsewhere
with
> my
> > time.
> >
> >
> > People shouldn't fear their governments, Governments should fear
> their
> > people. -V, V For Vendetta
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Karsten <peter_karsten63@>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 9:57 pm
> > Subject: Re: [POTA] Group Etiquette
> >
> > I think if current or new members don't adhere to the guidelines,
> they
> > should be banned from the group, after sufficent warning.
> >
>

You know, you could hang for high treason for this post...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, R Gummow <tikiman1705@ ...> wrote:
>
> OK everyone. We can all get along here. No one wants anyone
banned. Just consider the other persons point of view and move on. We
are all just having fun anyway. In cases like this ask your self.
WWDZD. What would Dr. Zaius do? Well maybe that's not such a good
example, after all vivisection and or immasculation isn't really an
option here. Is it? If it is please let me know quickly so I can
adjust and learn to get along with everyone quickly. Perhaps. We
should consider brain washing. My understanding is that all you must
do is remove the brain from the cranium and wash it in cold water.
>
> Glen <HotScheetz@ ...> wrote: Again, as one of the
Moderators here, I am asking that we not take
> someone elses views or opinions as personal attacks...
> FYI, Peter is not a Moderator, and his opinion is not our
> policy...But, he is free to express it, as long as it is not aimed
at
> any specific individual(s) ...
>
> In the sense of all fairness, as well, perhaps we should look at
> ourselves and see if we are being too sensitive about our opinions;
> and perhaps we should look at others to see if they are not being
too
> sensitive to us...Either way, perhaps we need to adjust our posts a
> little for the peace and general enjoyment of the whole group...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, frohike60@ wrote:
> >
> > Then please ban me for saying that a fan film was stupid. If
you're
> > going to be that politically correct, I'd rather be elsewhere
with
> my
> > time.
> >
> >
> > People shouldn't fear their governments, Governments should fear
> their
> > people. -V, V For Vendetta
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Karsten <peter_karsten63@ >
> > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 9:57 pm
> > Subject: Re: [POTA] Group Etiquette
> >
> > I think if current or new members don't adhere to the guidelines,
> they
> > should be banned from the group, after sufficent warning.
> >
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I've always thought this is what happened...Essentially, all felines
> and canines died...
> It doesn't seem so far-fetched, to me, that a plague from outer space
> could kill them...It would be something no one knew a thing
about...An
> airborne virus could circle the globe in about a week...
> This scenario really hit home, for me, when the pet-food scare hit
> here, these past few months...

>
> Again I start with...'As a lad'. I happened to
> visit Century City. Not aware at the time that I
> was smack in the middle of Ape City. All I knew
> at the time was it looked really.......familiar.
> As far as Capitol Punishment. They do indeed
> execute apes for heresy. In POTA Cornelius and
> Zira are discussing the Sacred Scrolls. Zire sug-
> gests that they may not be worth the parchment
> they are written on. Cornelius, asks "Are you
> trying to get my head chopped off?". I got the
> impression that this was a pretty standard form
> of punishment for those who ran afoul of Dr. Zius
> and his crowd. Either that, Or maybe the fur in
> the Forbidden Zone 'scarecrows' was that rayon
> fake fur that seems to be everywhere today. Per-
> haps a Target or Walmart survivied. PETA would be
> happy with that anyway.

>
> I've always thought this is what happened...
> Essentially, all felines and canines died...
> It doesn't seem so far-fetched, to me, that
> a plague from outer space could kill them...
> It would be something no one knew a thing
> about... An airborne virus could circle the
> globe in about a week... This scenario really
> hit home, for me, when the pet-food scare hit
> here, these past few months...
>
> G

>At 05:03 AM 4/24/2007, you wrote:
>>Posted by: "Glen" HotScheetz@... hotscheetz
>>This is in the vein of many discussions before...It boils down to
>>accepting what is presented in the films, or not...If someone wants
>>to, they can make any pet theory fit by picking and choosing what
>>suits it...The dialog in ESCAPE and CONQUEST are inarguable that the
>>dogs and cats all died...

>
> Of course, there is his other favorite -- frontal
> lobotomy...=)
>
> G

>
> Me... I'm just as much a fan as anyone else here.
> I own three actual POTA props, one from POTA, one
> from BENEATH, and one from ESCAPE. I have a beauti-
> ful Ape mask- Chimpanzee, that I made myself, and a
> full costume sewn together by my mother (God bless
> her soul) and more POTA books and magazines and nick-
> nacks than you can shake a stick at. And... more.
> I am a fan too- a good one. I love POTA! But... I
> have found it so hard to feel as if I am a part of the
> community here... that I should have left some time ago,
> especially when a Mod here sent me a perfectly awful
> letter... tearing me down, and accusing me of behaving
> in a manner that just wasn't true. That... hurt. Some-
> body sensitive, complained, and it was me who received
> the unpleasant words. Cripes :-/
>
> Tired of the struggle,
> ~ Jon

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I've always thought this is what happened...
> > Essentially, all felines and canines died...
> > It doesn't seem so far-fetched, to me, that
> > a plague from outer space could kill them...
> > It would be something no one knew a thing
> > about... An airborne virus could circle the
> > globe in about a week... This scenario really
> > hit home, for me, when the pet-food scare hit
> > here, these past few months...
> >
> > G
>
> I hear you there, me being an owner of a great
> dog and three wonderful cats! :-(
>
> Interesting though... that 'only' cats and
> dogs were affected by whatever it was that killed
> them, presuably a virus of some kind. 'All' cats
> and dogs dieing off is very odd for two real life
> reasons;
>
> 1. Cats and dogs don't have any real relationship
> to one another except that they're mammals, having
> been quite divergent on the evolutionary tree for
> quite some time. And note that every dog in the
> world, all of them, are derived directly from
> wolves, and are still totally fertile with them.
> It must be noted that there are many other canine
> species as well, including foxes, cyotes and others.
> Were they affected also? Foxes are not fertile with
> dogs/wolves, and neither are coyotes. No mention is
> made of those species though, and none are seen in
> any of the films- save for that one dog example from
> the POTA TV show- a domestic dog. But would cats
> be so totally affected by that same virus??? So
> totally? Any bear is actually more genetically
> related to the dog than cats are, evolving from a
> related branch of the evolutionary tree. Bears
> 'may' have been affected, but not cats- not by the
> same virus. And further... if all domestic cats
> were killed off... what about Lions, Leopards, Pumas,
> Lynxs, Ocelots, and all of the other felines so darned
> closely related to the common housecat? Were they al-
> so affected. I would think that they were.
>
> 2. As Mother nature has shown, even the most devastating
> of circumstances still leaves survivors. Horses became
> totally extinct across North America, but not extinct
> elsewhere where they roamed. Even the Great Asteroid
> did not wipe out 'all' of the dinosaurs, as only those
> the weighted over 40 to 50 poinnds died out, and what
> remained evolved into the birds of the modern day. So
> in spite of such awesome devastating effects, there are
> indeed nearly always survivors to carry on. So then...
> what kind of virus kills all cats, and all dogs, and no-
> ting else? And ALL of them totally? Who develops such
> a virus, artificially, to do such a thing? At what truly
> great expense... and to such species specificness? I can
> imagine that it was a test to see if such a virus could
> indeed do such a thing, to test its actual effectiveness,
> but natural history tells us that at least 'some' would be
> 'resistant', or even immune. Current theories define that
> that's what apparently 'dormant' DNA is for... to allow
> for the survival of a species under dire circumstances,
> as what was dormant then reveals its purpose, the vari-
> ations in the dormant DNA allowing for the survival of at
> least enough of them to perpetuate the species. Otherwise
> what has 'apparently' happened... even goes against the
> law of averages. Nothing is that complete or perfect,
> in nature, or man-made. Nothing. And when one consi-
> ders that all mammals are more alike than different, it's
> amazing that cats and dogs possess 'something' so different
> from all other creatures, that only they, those two species,
> could be so finely targetted, not affecting any other form
> of mammalian life.
>
> Well... rather than me trying to explain it all,
> I just accept that it had happened, having no actual
> 'theory' of my own to offer. However... please con-
> sider the following...
>
> ... presume for a moment... that that very same
> virus, had an affect on the great Apes, both them, and
> Humans. Viruses have been theorized to assist the
> evolutionary process on some levels, and perhaps that
> 'virus' somehow 'awakened' sentience in the Simian
> brain structure. There is only a slight difference
> between the DNA of Apes and Man. The following link
> helps to explain or define those apparent differences-
> http://www.primates.com/homo/index.html"
>
> Since viruses can assist in forcing possible
> genetic chance and drive the course of evolution,
> if all Apes were infected, the next generation born
> could potentially all be different than the genera-
> tion before it. Genes could be affected in vitro,
> during gestation, and those changes then manifested
> themselves in the grown adults of that generation,
> an awakening of truest sentience. That 'virus test',
> so complete and devastating, killed off two species,
> but advanced another. Viruses can indeed do such
> things, and one can only imagine what man-made arti-
> ficial viruses can do.
>
> That same virus may have altered Man as well...
> but in the opposite direction, robbing sentience from
> us as a species, not killing us as with the dogs and
> cats, but changing us enough to make Humankind more
> animal-like in our behaviors, forcing a deeper grasp-
> ing of purer instinct as well, having nothing else
> to hold onto.
>
> If such a virus was used as a kind of test... it
> worked far betetr than its creators imagined it would,
> and more, not expected.
>
> I propose that that virus did much more than just
> kill off all dogs and cats. If affected all higher
> Apes as well, positively, and us... we were altered
> negatively, though we survived as a species... for
> what that is worth. Mankind destroyed itself... and
> in more than one way, I believe, as far as the context
> of the general story is concerned.
>
> ~ Jon
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, but if we took everything said in the films as "inarguable," then
> it took hundreds of years for the apes to rebel...and Aldo was the
> first ape to speak...and 3978 became 3955...and a rescue mission was
> sent out for astronauts that were never lost since they were fully
> expected to lose contact with Earth in the first place...and so
on. :)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > Of course, there is his other favorite -- frontal
> > lobotomy...=)
> >
> > G
>
> Hmmmm... my personal favorite :-) Tends to mellow
> people out quite a bit :-D
>
> I have to admit though that this group as a
> community has, for me, been like a tight clique
> that is very hard to get into. In presenting in-
> sightful points for discussion, I've been deemed
> 'confrontational', or when I present examples to
> make a point I've been deemed 'rude' and 'engaging
> in private attacks' on someone, and it's been sug-
> gested that instead of asking questions (which is
> indeed a way to make a point) I've been told to
> 'present a theory to explain how something should
> be possible'... even when I don't have such a theory,
> and cannot formulate one. Generally speaking...
> new members are too often made to feel like 'out-
> siders' that simply don't belong. And... I myself
> am seeing this too often. And I keep on hearing
> the advice of 'debate the issue, not the person'.
> Ummm... huh? Makes no sense to me, since 'persons'
> are indeed involved... and there's absolutely nothing
> that anyone can do to stop someone from taking
> something personal. Oh yes... POTA lovers do indeed
> love their POTA, and many don't like anyone poking
> any holes in something... with such obvious holes
> already. I love POTA too, and love to debate its
> faults, all lovable and marvelous faults, but golly
> gee... how can you debate an issue with a person,
> without debating the person??? I hate to say it,
> but... that's just dumb. Better advice is 'to not
> take a debate as a personal attack'. The problem
> comes... when someone involved becomes frustrated or
> angry, because someone doesn't agree with them, and
> it's the 'new guy' that takes the fall- to receive
> private emails from moderators with obvious warnings
> in them... because someone took something personally
> and complained.
>
> Me... I've tried very hard to become a good and
> active member here, but after months of trying, I
> don't feel, yet, as if I am respected or accepted
> or appreciated as part of this community. I don't.
> Why do I come back? I dunno. This group 'does'
> have an excellent measure of POTA content, and
> most members here are quite well-informed and edu-
> cated, in my judgement. BUT... it only takes one
> sensitive person who doesn't like what your pre-
> senting, to complain... and to bring the Mods down
> on you. THAT... is a failure of respect, for the
> views of others, and... I've endured it. But... I
> still, for some reason, try to fit in, but even now
> I feel like a square peg in a round hole here. How
> long, I wonder, does it take to become 'one of the
> guys'? What does one have to give to actually be-
> come part of the 'in crowd' here? I dunno.
>
> I'm a good guy, kind and generous, and insightful
> and well-informed. I'm polite and I don't use un-
> necessary foul language, and I respect the opinions
> of others. It's not my fault that someone gets up-
> set with the questions I present, and no matter what,
> I'm told that what I say is... 'confrontational'. Oh
> well... that IS the nature of 'debate', because of
> the difference of opinion. Debate... is polite com-
> bat. It's a game of chess, and a means to present
> ideas, and hopefully a way to get some answers, and
> of course, a means to define an opinion. The real
> shame is... that some just cannot actually debate,
> without taking it personally, viewing a difference
> of opinion as an 'insult', when such couldn't be
> further from the truth. But nothing... can change
> that. People are just too varied and different.
> And it only takes one sensitive person... to make
> you look bad. And long-term members always receive
> the benefit of the doubt, as sides are taken quickly.
> The new guy... never wins... even though he was
> never looking for a 'victory' in the first place,
> just expressing his/her views. Anyone 'new' here,
> is on thin ice from the start.
>
> So then, why do I try to fit in here? I suppose
> simply because I too like being part of something.
> We all do. We're all here for a reason. But me,
> I'm no lurker. I join a group to participate and
> contribute as best I can. I do. Lurkers are worth-
> less, and I don't like feeling worthless. I like
> being part of a community and 'fully' a part of it.
> I like to contribute, and in to the mandate and topic
> of the group as a community. But... I don't actually
> feel welcome here, even after all this time and con-
> tributing as best I can. But like all misfits I
> suppose, I continue to try... to become fully a part
> of it all. And if in the end I'm never accepted,
> then... oh well, I suppose that I should like...
> just lay down and die or something. Whatever. If
> not... so what? My life doesn't become shorter
> just because I'm not accepted here. It's just a
> Yahoo group. There are thousands more. I guess
> that I only wanted to become part... of one of the
> best. That's hardly a lofty goal... but darn... it
> sure has been a difficult one. Jeez :-/
>
> Me... I'm just as much a fan as anyone else here.
> I own three actual POTA props, one from POTA, one
> from BENEATH, and one from ESCAPE. I have a beauti-
> ful Ape mask- Chimpanzee, that I made myself, and a
> full costume sewn together by my mother (God bless
> her soul) and more POTA books and magazines and nick-
> nacks than you can shake a stick at. And... more.
> I am a fan too- a good one. I love POTA! But... I
> have found it so hard to feel as if I am a part of the
> community here... that I should have left some time ago,
> especially when a Mod here sent me a perfectly awful
> letter... tearing me down, and accusing me of behaving
> in a manner that just wasn't true. That... hurt. Some-
> body sensitive, complained, and it was me who received
> the unpleasant words. Cripes :-/
>
> Anyway- I very much expect that 'this' message will
> not be allowed to pass into the group. All messages
> require approval, so... I don't think that it'll make
> it. Scary... when someone can be censored so, even if
> behaving in a civil manner, and presenting an honest
> opinion or expression of one's heartfelt thoughts. Oh
> well, there's other ways to pass messages along, if need
> be. It's the internet. Anything... is possible. But
> then again... I've been thinking about leaving here
> anyway. No normal person hangs around... where he's
> not really welcomed...
>
> Tired of the struggle,
> ~ Jon
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> In a discussion with a couple of friends and
> POTA fans, I presented the Ape's Lawgiver as a
> subject relative to the issue of 'fantasy reli-
> gions'.
>
> Not counting Tim Burton's film, as far as I
> know, there is no mention of their being a per-
> sonage of a higher standing that the Great Law-
> giver, from a 'religious' standpoint, relative
> to the Apes of POTA.
>
> So the question I pose to you is... do the
> Apes view the Lawgiver as 'God', or a 'deity'?
> Do they, in their minds or view, see him as a
> 'supreme being'? Or... does he hold a status
> much lower, such as that of a 'saint', or is he
> perhaps more on a par with people like George
> Washington or Abraham Lincoln... or perhaps one
> such as Moses in context of importance?
>
> I'd appreciate some informed feedback on this,
> or just some clean opinions on this matter. Thank-
> you :-)
>
> ~ Jon
>

>
> I always looked at the Lawgiver as a Moses-style kind of prophet...
>
> G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I always looked at the Lawgiver as a Moses-style kind of
prophet...
> >
> > G
>
> Interesting, but as 'Moses-style'... Moses was
> the right hand of God. Pretty awesome, that. Do
> you think that perhaps that is too high to place
> the Lawgiver? One... of that much power and in-
> fluence? Just curious.
>
> ~ Jon
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
>
> Is it me or does Sideshow's Taylor look a little like George Burns?
While I'm at it, Brent looks
> like Edward Mulhare. 'Beneath The Planet of the Ghost and Mrs. Muir'.
>

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Planet-of-the-Apes-toy-Prototype-MUST-

>
> FREAKY!!
>
> Tim

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Planet-of-the-Apes-toy-Prototype-MUST-
SEE_W0QQitemZ190104710777QQihZ009QQcategoryZ790QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> FREAKY!!
>
> Tim
>
>

>
> I wonder if there is a way to tell if this is legitimate or not...Has
> anyone heard of anything like this before?...

I just want to set the record straight on a few points in regard to Jon and Zephram's posts yesterday.

• Until yesterday, there has been no offline contact between Jon and any of the moderators of this group since early January. At the time a post of his was rejected because it contained a personal flame against another member. Jon was asked to remove the flame and resubmitt the post. He did so and the post was approved. He was never threatened with banning or removal from the group.
• Jon has made about 100 posts since then. All have been approved.
• Only one thread started by Jon was not responded to by members or moderators of this group : http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/41547. The same exact thread was post in the Ape_Flicks group a day later: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Apes_Flicks/message/1371. No member or moderator of that group responded to it either. Draw your own conclusion.
• On several occasions Jon has attacked the members and moderators of this group in the Ape_Flicks group. No punative action was ever taken against him for those attacks. He was never threatened with banning nor have any of his posts been rejected.
  

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if there is a way to tell if this is legitimate or
not...Has
> > anyone heard of anything like this before?...
>
> I just uploaded an image to the files that is remarkably similar. (The
> image was used to promote House Industries 'Simian' family of fonts).
>
> Dave
>

>
> I wasn't looking at Moses as the right hand
> of God, but rather the instrument that brought
> together divided tribes under one set of laws...
>
> G

>
> File : /large-pressheet.jpg
> Uploaded by : smugster2000 <smugster2000@...>
> Description :
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/large-pressheet.jpg
>
> smugster2000 <smugster2000@...>

>
> I'm confused... I've never been turned on by
> an ape before... Is something wrong with me?...
>
> G

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if there is a way to tell if this is
> legitimate or not...Has
> > anyone heard of anything like this before?...
>
> I just uploaded an image to the files that is
> remarkably similar. (The
> image was used to promote House Industries 'Simian'
> family of fonts).
>
> Dave
>
>

On 4/25/07, Jonathan <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I wasn't looking at Moses as the right hand
> of God, but rather the instrument that brought
> together divided tribes under one set of laws...
>
> G

Hmmmm... yes. I understand what you mean. One
as a bringer of laws- as per the 10 Commandments,
but 'not' as the right hand of God.

Btw, are you aware of anything that suggests
that the POTA Apes possess anything that is a
higher deity- not counting the Tim Burton film?
Has POTA defined or mentioned any kind of 'higher
power'? I myself don't recall any such.

~ Jon

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't looking at Moses as the right hand
> > of God, but rather the instrument that brought
> > together divided tribes under one set of laws...
> >
> > G
>
> Hmmmm... yes. I understand what you mean. One
> as a bringer of laws- as per the 10 Commandments,
> but 'not' as the right hand of God.
>
> Btw, are you aware of anything that suggests
> that the POTA Apes possess anything that is a
> higher deity- not counting the Tim Burton film?
> Has POTA defined or mentioned any kind of 'higher
> power'? I myself don't recall any such.
>
> ~ Jon
>

>
> I think Dr Zaius mentions it in the first film-
> but I can't remember where.
> --
> Bill Hollweg

On 4/25/07, Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

They mention, "God", "the Almighty" and "Creator", I believe...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't looking at Moses as the right hand
> > of God, but rather the instrument that brought
> > together divided tribes under one set of laws...
> >
> > G
>
> Hmmmm... yes. I understand what you mean. One
> as a bringer of laws- as per the 10 Commandments,
> but 'not' as the right hand of God.
>
> Btw, are you aware of anything that suggests
> that the POTA Apes possess anything that is a
> higher deity- not counting the Tim Burton film?
> Has POTA defined or mentioned any kind of 'higher
> power'? I myself don't recall any such.
>
> ~ Jon
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@> wrote:
> >
> > I think Dr Zaius mentions it in the first film-
> > but I can't remember where.
> > --
> > Bill Hollweg
>
> Erf! I seem to have misplaced my links to POTA
> scripts! Arrrg :-/ The search goes on...
>
> ~ Jon
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > File : /large-pressheet.jpg
> > Uploaded by : smugster2000 <smugster2000@>
> > Description :
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/large-pressheet.jpg
> >
> > smugster2000 <smugster2000@>
>
> Love the image, that's a great share. Thankyou :-)
>
> ~ Jon
>

On 4/25/07, Jonathan <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> I think Dr Zaius mentions it in the first film-
> but I can't remember where.
> --
> Bill Hollweg

Erf! I seem to have misplaced my links to POTA
scripts! Arrrg :-/ The search goes on...

~ Jon

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Hunter's got them!
>
> On 4/25/07, Jonathan <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
Hollweg"
> > <billhollweg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think Dr Zaius mentions it in the first film-
> > > but I can't remember where.
> > > --
> > > Bill Hollweg
> >
> > Erf! I seem to have misplaced my links to POTA
> > scripts! Arrrg :-/ The search goes on...
> >
> > ~ Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.com
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
>

On 4/25/07, Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

For everyone but you, Bill...Sorry!...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Hunter's got them!
>
> On 4/25/07, Jonathan <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
Hollweg"
> > <billhollweg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think Dr Zaius mentions it in the first film-
> > > but I can't remember where.
> > > --
> > > Bill Hollweg
> >
> > Erf! I seem to have misplaced my links to POTA
> > scripts! Arrrg :-/ The search goes on...
> >
> > ~ Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.com
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting

>
> They mention, "God", "the Almighty" and "Creator", I believe...
>
> G

> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/large-pressheet.jpg
> > >
> > > smugster2000 <smugster2000@>
> >
> > Love the image, that's a great share. Thankyou :-)
> >
> > ~ Jon

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
>
> I have this catalog by House Industries. I also
> have the Simian font set as well as many of their
> other font sets, these guys are the best.


Hmmmm... nice :-)

And are those fonts sharable- here? :-]

~ Jon

>
> You can find all the scripts available, to my
> knowledge, at Hunter's site, here:
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Here you go: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dario" darios@ wrote:
> >
> > I get the daily digests from this groups so by default I don't get
to
> > see the attachments, but even when I go to the group site and go to
> > this message, I still don't see the picture. Can someone either put
it
> > in the Photos or Files section, or provide an URL so I can see this
> cover?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I picked this one up on eBay for 3 bucks-it's the 8th printing
> > dated Aug
> > > 1975. Never saw this cover before.
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ************************************** See what's free at
> > http://www.aol.com
> > >
> >
>

Just reposting to fix the link.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> In case anyone was wondering what Dr. Hasslein is up to these days:
>
http://community.tvguide.com/blog/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Daniels-Dish/800001211
>

>
> Btw, are you aware of anything that suggests
> that the POTA Apes possess anything that is a
> higher deity- not counting the Tim Burton film?
> Has POTA defined or mentioned any kind of 'higher
> power'? I myself don't recall any such.

I know about the (BBC 5-part radio drama), and (Values 7-part fan fiction audio drama). What is (Brokensea CD)?? Is that somthing totally different than the BBC & Values audio dramas, and if so, how do you order a copy?

Thanks for any help!

Ryan

Here ends Part 1 of Planet of the Apes.

Look for the first 5 episodes mixed together into 1 full length episode in 2 weeks (there will only be 2 lessons from the Lawgiver, one at the beginning and one at the end, we may at a later date release All the lessons from the Lawgiver as a set.)

Part 2 will resume 2 weeks after that and continue the story of the Planet of the Apes.

Thank you for all your support!

Cornelius- Mark Kalita
The Law Giver - Mark Kalita
Landon - Miles Reid
Dodge - Doug Mannlin
Gorillas-Miles Reid
Gorillas- Colin Snow
Gorillas-Bill Hollweg
Gorillas-James Freeman
Zira- Natasha Lathrop
Dr Galen- David Sobkowiak
Urko -David Sobkowiak
Chimpanzee Nurse - Anne Lysic
Taylor - Bill Hollweg

Lessons from the Lawgiver Provided By James of LFTL and Tonights lesson written by Glen Scheetz


Planet of the Apes Written and Directed by Bill Hollweg

> I know about the (BBC 5-part radio drama), and (Values 7-part fan
> fiction audio drama). What is (Brokensea CD)?? Is that somthing totally
> different than the BBC & Values audio dramas, and if so, how do you
> order a copy?

On 4/26/07, Ryan <raven33781_99@...> wrote:

I know about the (BBC 5-part radio drama), and (Values 7-part fan fiction audio drama). What is (Brokensea CD)?? Is that somthing totally different than the BBC & Values audio dramas, and if so, how do you order a copy?

Thanks for any help!

Ryan

 

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting

On 4/26/07, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> I know about the (BBC 5-part radio drama), and (Values 7-part fan
> fiction audio drama). What is (Brokensea CD)?? Is that somthing totally
> different than the BBC & Values audio dramas, and if so, how do you
> order a copy?

It's not a CD, it's downloadable as MP3s from the BrokenSea website
(which Bill just posted about before your post came through):

http://www.brokensea.com/

Hunter

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Hunter rocks! Yep we work for free- or peanuts-LOL
>
> On 4/26/07, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I know about the (BBC 5-part radio drama), and (Values 7-part
fan
> > > fiction audio drama). What is (Brokensea CD)?? Is that somthing
totally
> > > different than the BBC & Values audio dramas, and if so, how do
you
> > > order a copy?
> >
> > It's not a CD, it's downloadable as MP3s from the BrokenSea
website
> > (which Bill just posted about before your post came through):
> >
> > http://www.brokensea.com/
> >
> > Hunter
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.com
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "0" <vscimone@...> wrote:
>
> oh.. and to continue with the scrolls:
>
> "Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust, or greed..."
>
> Well there you go.. they even call Him God...
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> No, they don't refer to The Lawgiver as God...
>
> They refer to their creator as God, but they refer to The Lawgiver
as a
> prophet... God may have created humans, as he created all other
life
> forms, but The Lawgiver didn't...
>
> The Lawgiver is the author of the Sacred Scrolls, but he is not the
> Almighty...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "0" <vscimone@> wrote:
> >
> > oh.. and to continue with the scrolls:
> >
> > "Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust, or
greed..."
> >
> > Well there you go.. they even call Him God...
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "0" <vscimone@...> wrote:
>
> oh.. and to continue with the scrolls:
>
> "Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust, or
greed..."
>
> Well there you go.. they even call Him God...
>






____________

In Beneath, the Orangutan Minister refers to the Lawgiver as a prophet of God. He also says that Apes were created in God's image. So while the Lawgiver himself was not considered God, their God was still an Ape.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
> Cornelius said in Escape when he was talking to the Presidential
> Council that the apes believed that "God created the apes in his own
> image". To me that only conclude that the Lawgiver might have been
> something like a prophet, but not a god. They could have been two
> separate individuals. Look what Dr. Honorius said as his opening
> statement when Cornelius and Zira was on trail for heresy,
>
> Kevin
>

Happy Friday everybody! The end of another week means brings more words of wisdom from everyone's favorite Simian Philosopher. 

A new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now online. Thank you to everyone who contributed.

To view the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

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>
>
> "Beware the beast, man, for he is the Devil's pawn...."
>
> Well... they certainly believe in the ape downstairs...

>
>
> In Beneath, the Orangutan Minister refers
> to the Lawgiver as a prophet of God. He also
> says that Apes were created in God's image.
> So while the Lawgiver himself was not con-
> sidered God, their
> God was still an Ape.

>
> oh.. and to continue with the scrolls:
>
> "Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport,
> or lust, or greed..."
>
> Well there you go.. they even call Him God...

> Scott,
>
> Once again I want to apologize to you and Donna
> for my clumsy wording. There was no intent to
> take a jab or criticize you, Donna or this group
> in any way. What I meant was that no punitive ac-
> tion was taken in the POTA group.
>
> As you should remember, I privately apologized
> at to Scott and Donna at the time for the POTA
> group's "dirty laundry" spilling over into your
> fine group.
>
> I hope Scott and Donna accept my apology. I am
> deeply sorry for any distress this may have caused
> you.

Jon,

Thanks for the apology. I really appreciate it. And maybe the word 'attack' was too strong if that was not your intent. Please accept my apology for any distress it may have caused you.

James

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
>
> James, Sir,
>
> I will admit that I do indeed regret making
> comments about 'your' POTA group here, and I am
> indeed sorry for that, and I do apologize for
> that. I experienced something there that was a
> surprise to me, and that I took offense to, and
> I let my frustration there, be exposed here. Yes,
> I do, here and now, admit that I was wrong in let-
> ting my frustrations be expressed here. Again, I
> apologize.
>
> But now, for some explanation.
>
> While interacting in your group, participatin
> in discussions and debates that were occurring there,
> some initiated by me, and some not, I was thoroughly
> enjoying what was, to me, a perfectly lucid, well-
> informed and intelligent exchange, when I quite un-
> expectedly found that one of my posts was blocked,
> censored by not being approved to be posted to your
> group... to find that you instead sent me a private
> email, telling me that your were not going to approve
> the post, because in the debate at the time, I was
> being 'too confrontational' in my debating.
>
> This surprised me because the form of my dabate,
> as far as I and other could see, after communicating
> privately with some members there, was no more 'con'
> frontational, than the debates held and presented by
> anyone else. I was told by those members concerned,
> in private, that it was some of the best debating and
> discussion they have ever seen in your group, intelli-
> gently presented and clearly presented in the forum.
> And these were seven people that I selected at random
> from the know regular posters there, whom I wrote and
> asked their hinest opinons from them about how it was
> going- this after you sent that first letter to me.
> Noen of them had a negative opinion, or saw what I was
> doing as anything like 'confrontational'. One even
> noted that I was not vulgar, insulting, accurory, or
> unfriendly or unpleasant in any way. Another noted
> that I presented valid questions and noted things that
> no one else have ever noted seeing before. Another
> used the terms 'well-informed' and 'incisive'.
>
> How you, or anyone else saw me as confrontational
> is well beyond me, and I for one would liem to know
> who said such a thing, and why you agree so fervently.
> But I won;t get an answer to either of thise questions,
> so I don't actually expect an answer. Someone, includ-
> ing yourself, has become very unfriendly against me,
> and it's unpleasant for me to have to experience, for
> I do not se the cause, and others do not see it either,
> and in number. And... even you yourself have noted
> that yuor POTA group is starting to receive a reputation
> as becoming an 'unfriendly place', words that came from
> you.
>
> Then... recently... I saw still another member, a new
> member, being abused, being made to feel unwelcome, by an
> older member of yours, doing so with impunity, being un-
> friendly and unwelcoming to that person, and all without
> cause. It was rude and unnececessary, and... you and
> your mods permitted it. It is my nature to speak up
> when I see a wrong being perpetrated, so speak up I did,
> and on doing so you began sensoring my posts, especially
> those where i spoke up in noting that wrong... to which
> you folled by posting a message where you accuse me...
> of 'attacking' members of both groups, yours, and this
> one here. That is a false accusation, as I have perpe-
> trated no 'attacks' upon anyone, no such other than to
> express my own opinions as to how I thought your group
> was being sadly run- your mods and members being permit-
> ted to abuse others, making new members feel especially
> unwelcome. That is a truth what your own archives serve
> as evidence to prove... until or unless you choose to
> delete that evidence.
>
> James, I have nothing against you, personally, or
> at least I disn't until you libelled me and accused
> me of 'attacking' people in two different, something
> that has not happened. Such lies can indeed lead to
> very serious legal implications, should I choose to
> follow that path. Such libelling is a very serious
> matter, and you don't seem to understand that, as you
> have resisted every suggestion or demand to retract
> your posted statement, and apologize for it. That shows
> me, and others, that you plainly are unwilling to undo
> a wrong, and it is a reflection of your character, and
> a willingness, of yourself, to also abuse, and to con-
> tinue to abuse.
>
> The memebers of your group that I have exchanged
> emails with and have instant messaged with, have indeed
> confirmed that your POTA group is yes- very much like
> a tight clique that 'outsiders' have a very hard time
> making their way into. One member stated, "If you
> are a member whom doesn't have some kind of POTA
> website, or can;t prove that you can do POTA art or
> sculpture, or canlt prove that you've published a
> pota book or magazine articlae, or anything very
> clearly connected to POTA... you're lucky if they'll
> give you the time of day." Unquote. Well... that
> VERY much seems to be true, sorry to say.
>
> Is this an attack too, me stating my opinion here?
> No. It's my stated and informed opinion, and yes, a
> criticism, of course. You don't have to view such as
> an 'attack' upon people, which is an exageration in a
> very extreme view.
>
> I the problem only with me... though other people are
> seeing exactly the same thing? Is your POTA group s
> equally friendly and welcoming to all of its members
> in an equal fashion? the answer is no to both ques-
> tions.
>
> Has this gone... too far? Yes, it has, from both
> of us, and it can indeed go much further, and you
> are allowing it too, and only because you refuse to
> retract your statement of accusation of me attacking
> people, and to aoplogize for what you said. You can-
> not admit your wrong, in spite how mature a thing it
> would be to do, and how well it would bring ALL of this
> to a screaching halt. You just... refuse, when the so-
> lution is just so darned simple, and easy.
>
> To conclude, I would just to say one other thing.
> By definition and in all principle, a 'debate' is
> ingerantly a 'confrontation', and idealy a cicil one.
> A debate is a discussion between individuals or parties
> with opposing or conflicting points of view. So then,
> by it's very nature, it is, most certainly a 'confron-
> tation'. it is... in a sense, a kind of 'battle'. And
> what doesn;t make it a 'war' or a 'fight' is that such
> is carried out in a civil manner, which means no thrown
> insults, no name-calling, no accusory statements, and
> no vulgarity. I... violated none of those rules. Not
> once. And you say... Don't debate the person, debate
> the issue.' THAT... makes no sense at all. An issue
> cannot be debated without debating with a person. An
> issue cannot itself be debated... without another per-
> son him/herself being debated. Honestly, and no in-
> sult intended, the statement... is just plain dumb. I
> don't know where you heard it, but I would like to sug-
> gest that you stop using it. Replace it with something
> that makes more sense.
>
> Anyway, since you find my having criticised how
> your group is run as an offense, an... 'attack', I
> still apologize for that. I take it all back, every
> last word. I indeed am sorry, and I regret what I
> had said.
>
> Now, I would like to say, that it is now your turn.
> I am man enough to apologize, so... what do you say?
> Can I expect the same from you, to bring an end to all
> of this, or... will it go on? I await patiently to
> hear your answer, good Sir.
>
> Good day to all,
> ~ Jon
> Wanting to resolve this issue...
>

>From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [POTA] Re: Group Etiquette ~ An Apology
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:38:24 -0000
>
>I would like to apologize for the last point in my previous post. When I
>said that no punitive action had been taken against Jon that was in no
>way meant as a criticism of the Scott, Donna or the Ape_Flicks group. I
>meant that no punitive action had been taken by anyone in the POTA group
>against Jon for his attack on us. Due to my clumsy wording some people
>got the wrong impression and I'm deeply sorry about it.
>
>Scott and Donna run a great group. As we allowed Jon to air his
>grievances here in order to be fair, they rightfully did as well. At the
>time, I privately apologized at to Scott and Donna for the POTA group's
>"dirty laundry" spilling over into their fine group. Using their group
>as a platform to attack us was very unfair to Scott, Donna and the
>members of the Ape_Flicks.
>
>I hope Scott and Donna accept my apology. I am deeply sorry for any
>distress this may have caused you.
>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just want to set the record straight on a few points in regard to
>Jon
> > and Zephram's posts yesterday.
> >
> > * Until yesterday, there has been no offline contact between Jon and
> > any of the moderators of this group since early January. At the time a
> > post of his was rejected because it contained a personal flame against
> > another member. Jon was asked to remove the flame and resubmitt the
> > post. He did so and the post was approved. He was never threatened
>with
> > banning or removal from the group.
> > * Jon has made about 100 posts since then. All have been approved.
> > * Only one thread started by Jon was not responded to by members or
> > moderators of this group :
> > http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/41547
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/41547> . The same
> > exact thread was post in the Ape_Flicks group a day later:
> > http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Apes_Flicks/message/1371
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Apes_Flicks/message/1371> . No
> > member or moderator of that group responded to it either. Draw your
>own
> > conclusion.
> > * On several occasions Jon has attacked the members and moderators of
> > this group in the Ape_Flicks group. No punative action was ever taken
> > against him for those attacks. He was never threatened with banning
>nor
> > have any of his posts been rejected.
> >
>

>
>
> Jon,
>
> Thanks for the apology. I really appreciate it.
> And maybe the word 'attack' was too strong if
> that was not your intent. Please accept my
> apology for any distress it may have caused
> you.
>
> James

> ... in case you've never see it :-)
>
>

>
> ~ Jon
>
>

>>Jonathan,

Looking recently at the POTA Ultimate DVD Boxset, that as we know, comes with everything on film for the franchise!! It list TV Spots & photo Gallery, for each of the television series discs... Have the TV series boxset with none of those features, does that mean the Ultimate Collection with Ape Bust has some extra features you can't get any where else?? I was thinking maybe it was a mistake listing TV Spots & Photo Gallery. I don't have the Ultimate Collection, so there is no way to confirm this... Anyone know the answer to this?

My TV Series Boxset does have one trailer on the first disc, advertising for the Ape Collection and the 2001 movie only!

Ryan

How did this project get started, and was it costly and difficult to put it all together??  It's great to see something like this happen, especially with all the Star Wars audio dramas, and so little on POTA.  Thanks, Hunter, Bill for the the info about the site!

By the way, my name is Ryan from http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/theplanetoftheapeszone/

Feel free to advertise about this group and the POTA audio drama... The group is not as active as this one, but for 6 years it still gets people coming in.

Ryan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> It's free for download at www.brokensea.com in mp3 format. It's a retelling
> based on Boulle's book and the screenplay from the film with some new bits
> thrown in that weren't gone into in the movies. It's in chapter form.
> Thank you for the interest!
>
>
> On 4/26/07, Ryan raven33781_99@... wrote:
> >
> > *I know about the (BBC 5-part radio drama), and (Values 7-part fan
> > fiction audio drama). What is (Brokensea CD)?? Is that somthing totally
> > different than the BBC & Values audio dramas, and if so, how do you order a
> > copy?*
> >
> > *Thanks for any help!*
> >
> > *Ryan*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.com
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
>

>
> That's cool, Jon...Thanks!
>
> Tim

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I'm going to have to chime in and agree with Glen here (though not
> admittedly quite as quickly as Zephram replied to your post the
other
> day). :-) The simple fact of the matter is that no matter how
much we
> all love POTA (and we do, or else we wouldn't seek out groups like
this
> in the first place), the reality of our day to day lives and
> responsibilities in the real world (work, family, friends, other
> interests and hobbies) really prevent most people from submitting
the
> long, detailed post that I've seen you (and some others) submit.
Should
> you be posting them here? Absolutely!! But don't be disappointed if
no
> one responds- it's either because you've said something that people
> already agree with (and let's be honest- it's kind of silly to fire
off
> post after post of "I agree!!"), or just a simple lack of time. Like
> Glen, I skim the multiple paragraph posts, but doesn't mean I
dislike
> them or that the poster shouldn't be posting them. At the moment I'm
> subscribed to about 15 different Yahoo groups, and if I tried to
respond
> to every single post I'd have to start from the moment I got to
work and
> would probably be at it all day long. What would then most likely
end up
> happening is that my supervisor would find out and then I'd get in
> trouble for something I shouldn't have been doing in the first
place, you
> know? And to quote a recent episode of The Colbert Report, "Boy,
would I
> have egg on my face" (funny show BTW, if you've never seen it).
>
> What you said about being part of a community:
>
> "I join a group to participate and
> contribute as best I can. I do. Lurkers are worth-
> less, and I don't like feeling worthless. I like
> being part of a community and 'fully' a part of it.
> I like to contribute, and in to the mandate and topic
> of the group as a community."
>
>
> I both agree and disagree with. If you enjoy being part of
something and
> fully contributing, that's fine. But just because people lurk, or
only
> contribute occasionally, doesn't make them worthless. It means they
have
> other things going on in their lives, but yet they've still made
some
> time to at least keep up on what's happening in the world of their
> favorite subject. I subscribe to a list about a daily comic strip
> (Peanuts, though obviously they're all reprints now), and one of the
> members goes on these continual rants because people don't respond
on a
> daily basis when a new comic strip is posted. Honestly, who has the
time?
> And what that owner's need is for constant validation through
multiple
> e-mail posting is something I'll NEVER understand. Interestingly
enough,
> he often also uses the "this is a living, breathing community and
you all
> should be contributing" slant, but maybe Yahoo is doing everyone a
> disservice by using the term 'community' then. As with everything
else,
> online stuff should be *part* of one's life, not a central focus of
it.
>
> So Jonathan, I say keep posting as often as you care to and make
them as
> long as you want. Just remember that even if people aren't
responding, it
> doesn't mean that you an outsider, or unaccepted, or aren't
respected. It
> simply means that no one responded for any of a number of good
reasons.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> >>Jonathan,
>
> I believe all of this has been addressed with you in private, which
> leads one to wonder why you feel you need to air it all again in
> public...
> A Moderator's job is to try and keep things running as smoothly as
> possible for all concerned...It is virtually impossible to make
> everyone happy, all the time...We try our best, but we are, after
> all, only human...=)
> Personally, I don't have the time to read and respond to every post
> here...I will more than likely read a one-line or one-paragraph
post,
> and if I am so moved, respond to it...As for multiple, long
> paragraphs, I usually only skim them for content...But I can only
> speak for me... <<
>

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "0" <vscimone@> wrote:
> >
> > oh.. and to continue with the scrolls:
> >
> > "Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport,
> > or lust, or greed..."
> >
> > Well there you go.. they even call Him God...
>
> Indeed. Now, the question is... how do
> they view their 'God'. Upon what, exactly,
> do they base him on, or what is the power of
> his influence in their lives? The Lawgiver
> seems to hold a higher significance in their
> lives.
>
> ~ Jon
>

>
> I'm going to have to chime in and agree with Glen
> here (though not admittedly quite as quickly as
> Zephram replied to your post the other day). :-)

> The simple fact of the matter is that no matter
> how much we all love POTA (and we do, or else we
> wouldn't seek out groups like this in the first
> place), the reality of our day to day lives and
> responsibilities in the real world (work, family,
> friends, other interests and hobbies) really pre-
> vent most people from submitting the long, de-
> tailed post that I've seen you (and some others)
> submit. Should you be posting them here? Absolute-
> ly!! But don't be disappointed if no one responds-
> it's either because you've said something that peo-
> ple already agree with (and let's be honest- it's
> kind of silly to fire off post after post of "I
> agree!!"), or just a simple lack of time. Like
> Glen, I skim the multiple paragraph posts, but
> doesn't mean I dislike them or that the poster
> shouldn't be posting them. At the moment I'm sub-
> scribed to about 15 different Yahoo groups, and
> if I tried to respond to every single post I'd have
> to start from the moment I got to work and would
> probably be at it all day long. What would then
> most likely end up happening is that my supervisor
> would find out and then I'd get in trouble for some-
> thing I shouldn't have been doing in the first place,
> you know? And to quote a recent episode of The Col-
> bert Report, "Boy, would I have egg on my face"
> (funny show BTW, if you've never seen it).

> What you said about being part of a community:
>
> "I join a group to participate and contribute
> as best I can. I do. Lurkers are worthless,
> and I don't like feeling worthless. I like be-
> ing part of a community and 'fully' a part of
> it. I like to contribute, and in to the mandate
> and topic of the group as a community."
>
> I both agree and disagree with. If you enjoy
> being part of something and fully contributing,
> that's fine. But just because people lurk, or
> only contribute occasionally, doesn't make them
> worthless. It means they have other things going
> on in their lives, but yet they've still made
> some time to at least keep up on what's happen-
> ing in the world of their favorite subject. I
> subscribe to a list about a daily comic strip
> (Peanuts, though obviously they're all reprints
> now), and one of the members goes on these con-
> tinual rants because people don't respond on a
> daily basis when a new comic strip is posted.
> Honestly, who has the time? And what that owner's
> need is for constant validation through multiple
> e-mail posting is something I'll NEVER understand.
> Interestingly enough, he often also uses the "this
> is a living, breathing community and you all should
> be contributing" slant, but maybe Yahoo is doing
> everyone a disservice by using the term 'community'
> then. As with everything else, online stuff should
> be *part* of one's life, not a central focus of it.

> So Jonathan, I say keep posting as often as you
> care to and make them as long as you want. Just
> remember that even if people aren't responding,
> it doesn't mean that you an outsider, or unaccep-
> ted, or aren't respected. It simply means that no
> one responded for any of a number of good reasons.

> Chris L.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "R E Zuleta" <re_zuleta@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not trying to start a big discussion, or too much critisism,
but
> in the 2001 "Tim Burton's POTA" film, all Apes worshiped an iconic
> figure called: "Seamos(seemos)." Almost like a buddah, or Muhammad
> like being who acsended (rose) into the heavens; but whom it's also
> destined to return one day.
>
> Now, if one were to compare the 2 Ape universes together, 'Seamos'
> is clearly more of a God icon, than "The Lawgiver" in the original
> films. YEt, one could probably also come to the comclusion the
> Seamos could be a prophetic, son of god like being - kinda
like "The
> Lawgiver."
>
> RE Zuleta
>
>
> what if the original 1960's 70's 'POTA's universe view of "The LAwi
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "0" <vscimone@> wrote:
> > >
> > > oh.. and to continue with the scrolls:
> > >
> > > "Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport,
> > > or lust, or greed..."
> > >
> > > Well there you go.. they even call Him God...
> >
> > Indeed. Now, the question is... how do
> > they view their 'God'. Upon what, exactly,
> > do they base him on, or what is the power of
> > his influence in their lives? The Lawgiver
> > seems to hold a higher significance in their
> > lives.
> >
> > ~ Jon
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Those pictures sure remind you of how much better the makeup is in
the first
> film than the sequels.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com
>

First, let me apologize to the group. We are here to discuss POTA, not petty little arguments. But unfortunately, I feel I must step in again and set the record straight on a few issues:

• Zephram did post a message a few days ago that we did not approve. However, the post was specifically directed to me and took the form of several questions for me to answer. Since my answering these questions publicly would have been embarassing to a third party, I choose to answer Zephram's post privately. I welcomed Zephram to email me back if he wished to continue the discussion and work things out. He never responded to me.
• Members join and leave this group all the time. Most tend to be lurkers. However, when a long time active member leaves we email them to ask why. Some respond, some don't. Most leave because of pressures or commitments elsewhere in their lives. Some because they can't keep up with the number of emails this group generates. Several have said they left because of a personal conflict with an another individual member. Only one has ever stated it was because they felt were treated unfairly. However, not one who has responded to us ever stated their reason for leaving was because they felt the group as a whole was an unfriendly clique.
• An incident that occurred last week has been mischaracterized as an older member attacking a new member. This is untrue. Both were new members. They joined within a few days of each other. So this was not a case of an old member being shown favoritism at the expense of a new member as has been accused. It was merely sloppy moderation on our part and we apologize for it. Please be aware that there are 5 moderators here in addition to myself. Different people have different perceptions. What one moderator may see a playful banter, another might see as a flame.
• The moderators of the group try not to dominate the discussions. This group is about POTA not about us. When a new (or old) member makes a post we try to wait for other members to respond to it before stepping in an responding ourselves. It is not a perfect system but nothing ever is and a few have fallen through the cracks. Sometimes that can't be helped. We are only human. In one case that has been highlighted recently, the post was up for less than 24 hours. Before we had any chance to respond, we were criticized for ignoring it. However, the exact same post, word for word, was sent to another group as well. To date, none of the members or moderators of that group have responded to it either. This is not a criticism of the other group, merely an observation that the post in question did not engage or peak the interest of the members of both groups it was sent to.

We've publicly posted the Group's Posting Guidelines on the Yahoo Home page. They are accessible to all members. By joining this group, each member is agreeing to abide by those guidelines.  If you can't abide by those guidelines, expect your posts to be rejected. If you can't handle your posts being rejected, then you are welcome to leave the group. No one is forcing anyone to be here.

If anyone feels they are being treated unfairly you are free to privately contact me or the other moderators or even Dave Pasco the group's owner (his email address is on the Yahoo Home page). This has always been the best way to work things out.

Finally, I'm going to ask everyone to please end this thread. The continued airing of old slights and grievances accomplishes nothing and is just damaging to the group. Let's get back to discussing POTA which is what this group is about.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hmmmm... yes, Mr Zephram. He had written
> me to tell me that one of his posts didn't go
> through... as if 'I' could atually do anything
> about that. He relayed to me what he had pos-
> ted, and it was a post in my support. I said,
> 'Well, what do you expect? Let's be realistic."
> We instant messaged and I told him thanx, and to
> not worry about it. Thanx... but let me fight
> my own battles. That I muchly appreciated it.
> He understood, and at my request he posted nothing
> more on the matter. So that 'problem' was solved...
> in case you're wondering why you heard nothing more
> from him :-) All is well.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> Finally, I'm going to ask everyone to please end this thread. The
> continued airing of old slights and grievances accomplishes nothingand
> is just damaging to the group. Let's get back to discussing POTA which
> is what this group is about.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 4/28/2007 4:44:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> Those pictures sure remind you of how much better the makeup is in
the first
> film than the sequels.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
> Strange that they didn't include Skullduggery in the Apes & Ape
Women
> section.
> Though they were more like people with a body hair problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall reading that Kim Hunter had naturally blue eyes that
> were left that colour for Zira to make the character a little more
> 'human'.
>
> I read something recently that suggests her eyes were naturally brown
> and altered with contact lens to blue for the same reason.
>
> Can anyone confirm which account is correct.
>
> Ta,
> Dave B
>

>
> Like I posted earlier, I always looked at the
> lawgiver as a Moses-type character...
> Now Seamos, on the other hand, I look at more
> of a Christ-type character... Or for you reli-
> giously sensitive, like Quetzalcoatl...
>
> G

>
> I'm not trying to start a big discussion, or too
> much critisism, but in the 2001 "Tim Burton's
> POTA" film, all Apes worshiped an iconic figure
> called: "Seamos(seemos)." Almost like a buddah,
> or Muhammad like being who acsended (rose) into
> the heavens; but whom it's also destined to re-
> turn one day.

> Now, if one were to compare the 2 Ape universes
> together, 'Seamos' is clearly more of a God icon,
> than "The Lawgiver" in the original films. YET,
> one could probably also come to the conclusion the
> Seamos could be a prophetic, son of god like being
> - kinda like "The Lawgiver."
>
> RE Zuleta

>
> > ... in case you've never seen it :-)
> >
> http://www.themakeupgallery.info/fantasy/beast/ape/pota/zira.htm
> >
> > ~ Jon
>
>
> Those pictures sure remind you of how much
> better the makeup is in the first film than
> the sequels.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "kmarshal73" <kmarshal73@...> wrote:
>
> I heard from my brother yesterday that "they" are thinking about
making
> a sequel to POTA (The one with Mark Walberg in it). Has anyone heard
> anything about this? I looked on the 'net some and haven't been able
to
> find anything about this. Does anyone know of any sites with
> news/info/rumors on this? BTW, I don't know who "they" are; he wasn't
> very specific on that.
>