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Group: pota Message: 41944 From: llevik1 Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41945 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Brokensea Audio Drama
Group: pota Message: 41946 From: R E Zuleta Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41947 From: Leo Seddon Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Another Documentary?
Group: pota Message: 41948 From: Mark Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41949 From: drhasslein Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Target Repackage
Group: pota Message: 41950 From: Mark Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Target Repackage
Group: pota Message: 41951 From: Glen Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Target Repackage
Group: pota Message: 41952 From: aboro3085 Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Television Series dvd extras
Group: pota Message: 41953 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41954 From: Randy Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
Group: pota Message: 41955 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41956 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41957 From: drhasslein Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41958 From: R E Zuleta Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: POTA (2001) - TRIVIA
Group: pota Message: 41959 From: Glen Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
Group: pota Message: 41960 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41961 From: zasco1957 Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41962 From: kidro85@aol.com Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41963 From: Rich Handley Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3627
Group: pota Message: 41964 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Mighty World of Marvel issue 240
Group: pota Message: 41965 From: 0 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
Group: pota Message: 41966 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41967 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41968 From: Randy Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
Group: pota Message: 41969 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
Group: pota Message: 41970 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
Group: pota Message: 41971 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41972 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41973 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Looking for some POTA-TREK Cross-over Material
Group: pota Message: 41974 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 41975 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 41976 From: Glen Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Mighty World of Marvel issue 240
Group: pota Message: 41977 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41978 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
Group: pota Message: 41979 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41980 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41981 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41982 From: corneliusrobinson77 Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Battle uncut on region 2?
Group: pota Message: 41983 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: talking apes!
Group: pota Message: 41984 From: Glen Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41985 From: Glen Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: talking apes!
Group: pota Message: 41986 From: Glen Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
Group: pota Message: 41987 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41988 From: corneliusrobinson77 Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
Group: pota Message: 41989 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 41990 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 41991 From: Jonathan Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: talking apes!
Group: pota Message: 41992 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
Group: pota Message: 41993 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41994 From: Glen Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41995 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41996 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
Group: pota Message: 41997 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 41998 From: James Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Lesson from the Lawgiver
Group: pota Message: 41999 From: 0 Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: The Future is NOW!
Group: pota Message: 42000 From: R E Zuleta Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42001 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42002 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 42003 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
Group: pota Message: 42004 From: Mark Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: POTA at Memorabilia
Group: pota Message: 42005 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
Group: pota Message: 42006 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
Group: pota Message: 42007 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
Group: pota Message: 42008 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
Group: pota Message: 42009 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
Group: pota Message: 42010 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
Group: pota Message: 42011 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Yahoo glitch...
Group: pota Message: 42012 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: Ultimate Collection ape head
Group: pota Message: 42013 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42014 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 42015 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
Group: pota Message: 42016 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
Group: pota Message: 42017 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
Group: pota Message: 42018 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
Group: pota Message: 42019 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42020 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42021 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42022 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42023 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42024 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Blu-Ray Review
Group: pota Message: 42025 From: Mark Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
Group: pota Message: 42026 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Character Bio's
Group: pota Message: 42027 From: Glen Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's
Group: pota Message: 42028 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply.
Group: pota Message: 42029 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Mighty World of Marvel issue 241
Group: pota Message: 42030 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
Group: pota Message: 42031 From: James Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply.
Group: pota Message: 42032 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: L.A.Fire
Group: pota Message: 42033 From: R E Zuleta Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42034 From: Glen Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: L.A.Fire
Group: pota Message: 42035 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
Group: pota Message: 42036 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
Group: pota Message: 42037 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
Group: pota Message: 42038 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#2.
Group: pota Message: 42039 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#2.
Group: pota Message: 42040 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#3.
Group: pota Message: 42041 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#2.
Group: pota Message: 42042 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#4
Group: pota Message: 42043 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review



Group: pota Message: 41944 From: llevik1 Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "kmarshal73" <kmarshal73@...> wrote:
>
> I heard from my brother yesterday that "they" are thinking about
making
> a sequel to POTA (The one with Mark Walberg in it). Has anyone heard
> anything about this? I looked on the 'net some and haven't been able
to
> find anything about this. Does anyone know of any sites with
> news/info/rumors on this? BTW, I don't know who "they" are; he wasn't
> very specific on that.
>
At the recent NEC Memorabilia Show i spoke to Linda Harrison about the
remake and her thoughts on it. She said that "they are going to make
another one as the remake made lots of money ! "
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Group: pota Message: 41945 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Brokensea Audio Drama
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Thank you for the kind words Ryan! Mainly just the cost of the server to hold the files and such. The rest is just having fun! ;-)

On 4/28/07, Ryan <raven33781_99@...> wrote:

How did this project get started, and was it costly and difficult to put it all together??  It's great to see something like this happen, especially with all the Star Wars audio dramas, and so little on POTA.  Thanks, Hunter, Bill for the the info about the site!

By the way, my name is Ryan from http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/theplanetoftheapeszone/

Feel free to advertise about this group and the POTA audio drama... The group is not as active as this one, but for 6 years it still gets people coming in.

Ryan


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> It's free for download at www.brokensea.com in mp3 format. It's a retelling
> based on Boulle's book and the screenplay from the film with some new bits
> thrown in that weren't gone into in the movies. It's in chapter form.
> Thank you for the interest!
>
>
> On 4/26/07, Ryan raven33781_99@... wrote:
> >
> > *I know about the (BBC 5-part radio drama), and (Values 7-part fan
> > fiction audio drama). What is (Brokensea CD)?? Is that somthing totally
> > different than the BBC & Values audio dramas, and if so, how do you order a
> > copy?*
> >
> > *Thanks for any help!*
> >
> > *Ryan*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.com
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.westlake films.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
>




--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
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Group: pota Message: 41946 From: R E Zuleta Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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Awhile back, not long after the release of the 2001 "POTA" remake
(and despite the fact that is was a box-office flop), I remember
reading in WIZARD magazine, or some other similar publication, that
the studio and producers briefly considered continuing on the new
franchise (timeline), but that neither BURTON nor WAHLBERG were
intersested in reprising their roles in another APE project.

If I can find the issue No. # and date of this publication I'm
quoting from, I'll forward back to y'all. IF I'm not mistaken, they
wished to go back to the Planet of Apes (in that other galaxy), not
the parallel Earth over run with Apes that Major Davidson (Wahlberg)
encounters near the end. Maybe they planned to play off (that bogus
ending) like a dream (nightmare) scenario.

RE Zuleta

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "llevik1" <david.kivell@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "kmarshal73" <kmarshal73@> wrote:
> >
> > I heard from my brother yesterday that "they" are thinking about
> making
> > a sequel to POTA (The one with Mark Walberg in it). Has anyone
heard
> > anything about this? I looked on the 'net some and haven't been
able
> to
> > find anything about this. Does anyone know of any sites with
> > news/info/rumors on this? BTW, I don't know who "they" are; he
wasn't
> > very specific on that.
> >
> At the recent NEC Memorabilia Show i spoke to Linda Harrison
about the
> remake and her thoughts on it. She said that "they are going to
make
> another one as the remake made lots of money ! "
>
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Group: pota Message: 41947 From: Leo Seddon Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Another Documentary?
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Leo Here!
Next year, in order of the 40th anniversary, will there be another
documentary for Planet of the apes? like '98?. If there is, I suppose
that it might not be as detailed as the last one,'cos most of the
actors and Directors died. But will there be any event, or Celebration
whatever? :)
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Group: pota Message: 41948 From: Mark Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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LordT told me that the POTA sequel will star Vinnie Jones and the woman that plays Pat on
Eastenders. Music by Ian Brown.
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Group: pota Message: 41949 From: drhasslein Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Target Repackage
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I was unaware of this until recently, but there is a Target repackage
of POTA2K1, Beneath, and POTA into a triple feature slimline set which
features the Legacy art with a blue/black color scheme that looks
pretty cool.
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Group: pota Message: 41950 From: Mark Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Target Repackage
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Target has all kinds of crazy POTA repackaging including Cronenberg's 'The Fly' with POTA
'68.
I think I even saw a 'Maude/POTA' DVD.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I was unaware of this until recently, but there is a Target repackage
> of POTA2K1, Beneath, and POTA into a triple feature slimline set which
> features the Legacy art with a blue/black color scheme that looks
> pretty cool.
>
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Group: pota Message: 41951 From: Glen Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Target Repackage
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Thanks for the information...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I was unaware of this until recently, but there is a Target
repackage
> of POTA2K1, Beneath, and POTA into a triple feature slimline set
which
> features the Legacy art with a blue/black color scheme that looks
> pretty cool.
>
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Group: pota Message: 41952 From: aboro3085 Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Television Series dvd extras
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The answer to your question is this: No, there are NO extras for the
TV series included with the "The Ultimate Collection"... That was all
a big mistake on their part to even mention those, as they are not
included...

There are no TV series extras anywhere... Not in the standard TV
series set, not in "The Ultimate Collection" ,and not in the Japanese
ICARUS ship TV series collection either...

There are no "behind the scenes" features either, as that guy was
claiming a few weeks ago...








--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan" <raven33781_99@...> wrote:
>
>
> Looking recently at the POTA Ultimate DVD Boxset, that as we know,
comes
> with everything on film for the franchise!! It list TV Spots & photo
> Gallery, for each of the television series discs... Have the TV
series
> boxset with none of those features, does that mean the Ultimate
> Collection with Ape Bust has some extra features you can't get any
where
> else?? I was thinking maybe it was a mistake listing TV Spots &
Photo
> Gallery. I don't have the Ultimate Collection, so there is no way to
> confirm this... Anyone know the answer to this?
>
> My TV Series Boxset does have one trailer on the first disc,
advertising
> for the Ape Collection and the 2001 movie only!
>
> Ryan
>
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Group: pota Message: 41953 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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In a message dated 4/30/2007 12:34:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rkid67@... writes:
LordT told me that the POTA sequel will star Vinnie Jones and the woman that plays Pat on
Eastenders. Music by Ian Brown.
 
Now THAT"S funny!     : )
 
Yeah, sorry if I offended.  I'm not always funny.
My sense of humor tends to lean to the snide side.
Too much Groucho Marx and Bill Murray maybe.
 




See what's free at AOL.com.
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Group: pota Message: 41954 From: Randy Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
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The Remake of POTA that is and.....not bad. Not nearly as bad as I
thought it was going to be. I liked it from the "Alternate Reality"
point of view, (Thanks Glen.). The ending was much closer to the Pierre
Boulle ending. I did like the Thade memorial.
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Group: pota Message: 41955 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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"James" wrote:
>I think FOX knows they made some big
>mistakes with the remake and wound up
>pissing off the fans.

I think Fox's biggest problem is not that they pissed off the fans; we are,
after all, a very small minority in the market the film was aimed at. Fox's
problem is that they managed to piss off pretty much everyone by turning out
such a turkey that nobody, be they hardcore fan or casual cinemagoer, was
prepared to swallow the crap they'd churned out.

I know some franchises can get rebooted fairly quickly - for example, the
Hulk getting redone so soon after the misunderstood original - but I can't
help thinking that Burton's abomination did such damage that if we are to
see another one it might not be for another thirty years. Personally I'd be
happy if they gave up on the idea of any more PotA films. If they really
want to bring it back, TV is the way ahead but even that can probably wait
for several more years - at least until the stink of Burton-induced vomit
has faded from the local multiplexes.

Alan
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Group: pota Message: 41956 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 5/1/2007 6:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, alan@... writes:


Fox's
problem is that they managed to piss off pretty much everyone by turning out
such a turkey that nobody, be they hardcore fan or casual cinemagoer, was
prepared to swallow the crap they'd churned out.


Actually Fox's problem is that they spent $150 million plus making and promoting the movie and the thing did only $130 million domestically.  Nowadays they usually spend MORE on the sequels because they have to top what they did before, so how do they make another APES movie and insure a profit?  So far I guess they can't figure that out.  No one wants to see more of what they've already given us, so they're struck trying to "reimagine" their own "reimagining."  I can't imagine a worse nightmare to be stuck in.  It's like something from the Twilight Zone.

-- Rory



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Group: pota Message: 41957 From: drhasslein Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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I've heard they're toying with the idea of opening the next one with
Linda Harrison in the shower after waking up and discovering Burton's
reimagining was just a bad dream....


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/1/2007 6:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> alan@... writes:
>
>
> > Fox's
> > problem is that they managed to piss off pretty much everyone by
turning out
> > such a turkey that nobody, be they hardcore fan or casual
cinemagoer, was
> > prepared to swallow the crap they'd churned out.
> >
>
> Actually Fox's problem is that they spent $150 million plus making
and
> promoting the movie and the thing did only $130 million
domestically. Nowadays they
> usually spend MORE on the sequels because they have to top what
they did
> before, so how do they make another APES movie and insure a
profit? So far I
> guess they can't figure that out. No one wants to see more of what
they've
> already given us, so they're struck trying to "reimagine" their
own "reimagining."
> I can't imagine a worse nightmare to be stuck in. It's like
something from
> the Twilight Zone.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com
>
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Group: pota Message: 41958 From: R E Zuleta Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: POTA (2001) - TRIVIA
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Here's some interesting TRIVIA about 'Tim Burton's "POTA"(2001):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes_(2001_film)

(It's) one of the few projects that didn't originate early with 'Tim
Burton.' Other directors who were attached to the project at various
times were 'Oliver Stone' and 'James Cameron' who was interested
with 'Arnold Schwarzenegger' in the lead. 'Terry Hayes,' screenwriter
for "The Road Warrior" wrote a draft: "Return to the Planet of the
Apes" which was a sequel/remake to the original series.


'Tim Burton' has stated the original plan was to have 'sequels' that
would carry the names of the original films, although the plots would
likely differ making the aborted sequel "Beneath the Planet of the
Apes." Furthermore, prior to the film's release, 'Burton' indicated
his desire to "reimagine" the other films in the Apes movie series.
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Group: pota Message: 41959 From: Glen Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
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You're welcome...er, what did I do?...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <tikiman1705@...> wrote:
>
>
> The Remake of POTA that is and.....not bad. Not nearly as bad as I
> thought it was going to be. I liked it from the "Alternate Reality"
> point of view, (Thanks Glen.). The ending was much closer to the
Pierre
> Boulle ending. I did like the Thade memorial.
>
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Group: pota Message: 41960 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Don't shoot...
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Most discussion on most POTA fanboards and lists revolves around the film timelines.

Burton's 2001 version was nothing special, but I always took it as illustrating what has been done a lot with other classic stories.

Take Shakespeare for example - his work has been reinterpreted put in different times, characters and settings pretty much constantly since he wrote it.

Why is it so hard to accept that POTA as a concept is cool enough that folks will reinterpret it and mess with it?

Personally I've always taken it that the original films followed one time line.  The TV series was a different version of the same idea with it's own time line and set of canon.  Burton's thing was a 3rd vision of the POTA concept.

Comics and books have all expanded and/or contradicted other sources, so it seems that in the long run it is an exercise in futility to shoe-horn everything into one easy chronology.

Yes I can understand that having a complete time-line and seeing everything fit is nice and easy to view in a holistic sense.  But the world doesn't work like that.  Why should a fictional Universe be any easier to comprehend?

Maybe it's only a small percentage of hard-core POTA fans who rage against the contradictions and desperately seek a connection between every event and time-landmark in the entire POTA Universe.  But they are a vocal percentage.  Surely picking the details to death in such a way does nothing but reduce your overall enjoyment of the POTA experience?



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    I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again:  The 2001 Burton movie stank.  I certainly hope that they DON'T even remotely consider making a sequel to that mess.  And I know that I'm speaking for a lot of members on our forum. 
     
    Zach 
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    In a message dated 5/1/2007 6:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, alan@auldgreytoon. freeserve. co.uk writes:


    Fox's
    problem is that they managed to piss off pretty much everyone by turning out
    such a turkey that nobody, be they hardcore fan or casual cinemagoer, was
    prepared to swallow the crap they'd churned out.


    Actually Fox's problem is that they spent $150 million plus making and promoting the movie and the thing did only $130 million domestically.  Nowadays they usually spend MORE on the sequels because they have to top what they did before, so how do they make another APES movie and insure a profit?  So far I guess they can't figure that out.  No one wants to see more of what they've already given us, so they're struck trying to "reimagine" their own "reimagining. "  I can't imagine a worse nightmare to be stuck in.  It's like something from the Twilight Zone.

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    Group: pota Message: 41962 From: kidro85@aol.com Date: 5/1/2007
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    I agree 100% I say start from scratch! I would like to see it continue after Battle, but that will never happen.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    In a message dated 5/1/2007 6:24:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Zasco1957@... writes:
    I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again:  The 2001 Burton movie stank.  I certainly hope that they DON'T even remotely consider making a sequel to that mess.  And I know that I'm speaking for a lot of members on our forum. 
     
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    Group: pota Message: 41963 From: Rich Handley Date: 5/2/2007
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    >Posted by: "paul_mannering@..."
    >paul_mannering@... darkininc
    >Why is it so hard to accept that POTA as a concept is cool enough that
    >folks will reinterpret it and mess with it?

    That's not what's hard to accept. The big issue isn't that Burton
    reinterpreted it. It's that he did so badly. Had the film been
    better, it would have been more widely accepted. It's as simple as
    that. The problem isn't the fans...it's the film.
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    Group: pota Message: 41964 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 5/2/2007
    Subject: Mighty World of Marvel issue 240
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    I'm back from France, and hope that you all found your way to Hunter's site during my absence to not only download the previous two issues of Mighty World of Marvel, but also to see the new autograph and make-up appliance pictures he's added to the site. Thanks to Rob Reading, Dean Preston and Glen Scheetz for sharing these items from their colections.
     
    Also added while I was away is a 37-minute video interview with Linda Harrison and Buck Kartalian from the recent Memorabilia show. Thanks to Darren Stockford and Rob Reading for making this available.
     
    This week's issue is short, just a single file. Jason and Alexander are in snow country, and all that extra white space on the pages made the file sizes smaller. ;)
     
     
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    Group: pota Message: 41965 From: 0 Date: 5/2/2007
    Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
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    When James Cameron dropped the POTA remake project, I knew it was in
    trouble. When Tim Burton picked it up, I knew it was doomed.

    The news of Peter Jackson possibly making another remake lifts my
    spirits though.
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    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
    >
    > > Comics and books have all expanded and/or contradicted other
    sources, so it seems that in the long run it is an exercise in
    futility to shoe-horn everything into one easy chronology.

    If that's the case, please explain the story that Bill and yourself
    are involved in producing? Isn't that trying to shoe-horn two
    completely different entities into one?!? (Those being the Boulle
    novel and the '68 film.)

    I am seriously asking, how can it be futile unless you're involved
    in it? The Broken Seas story is exactly what you've described above.


    > > Maybe it's only a small percentage of hard-core POTA fans who
    rage against the contradictions and desperately seek a connection
    between every event and time-landmark in the entire POTA Universe.
    But they are a vocal percentage. Surely picking the details to death
    in such a way does nothing but reduce your overall enjoyment of the
    POTA experience?

    The Broken Seas audio story certainly is trying to connect EVERYTHING
    in the so called POTA Universe. Does what's being done there not
    count as seeking a connection between every event in the POTA
    universe?

    Seriously, connecting MONKEY PLANET and a masterpiece of cinema? The
    two entities are not interchangable.
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    Group: pota Message: 41967 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
    Subject: Re: Any news on a POTA sequel? (Rumor)
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    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
    >
    > I've heard they're toying with the idea of
    > opening the next one with Linda Harrison in
    > the shower after waking up and discovering
    > Burton's reimagining was just a bad dream...

    LOLOL- now THAT'S hilarious!!!! That was
    VERY funny :-D A good one- GAFAW! :-D

    And hmmmm... Linda Harrison in the shower.
    I wonder what shape her body's in these days?
    No matter... we can all imagine what we want :-)
    And after POTA and BENEATH- she really needed
    one! :-] Heck- they all did.

    ~ Jon
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    Group: pota Message: 41968 From: Randy Date: 5/2/2007
    Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
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    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "0" <vscimone@...> wrote:

    Hadn't heard of Jackson possibly picking up the bannana, oops I mean
    ball. Hope it's true. As for Burtons version at least he didn't use his
    normal stable of actors. I mean, imagine Johnny Depp as the Astronaut,
    or maybe Michael Keaton. Worse yet. Pee Wee Herman as Thade.......

    >
    > When James Cameron dropped the POTA remake project, I knew it was in
    > trouble. When Tim Burton picked it up, I knew it was doomed.
    >
    > The news of Peter Jackson possibly making another remake lifts my
    > spirits though.
    >
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    Group: pota Message: 41969 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/2/2007
    Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
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    Jackson has a primate fetish.

     


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    When James Cameron dropped the POTA remake project, I knew it was in
    trouble.  When Tim Burton picked it up, I knew it was doomed.  

    The news of Peter Jackson possibly making another remake lifts my
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    Group: pota Message: 41970 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
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    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
    >
    > LordT told me that the POTA sequel will star
    > Vinnie Jones and the woman that plays Pat on
    > Eastenders. Music by Ian Brown.

    Wow! is there any way to conform that? Looking
    for any site that tells anything at all about any
    kind of POTA sequel :-) If at all possible :-)

    ~ Jon
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    Group: pota Message: 41971 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
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    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
    >
    > Maybe it's only a small percentage of hard-core
    > POTA fans who rage against the contradictions and
    > desperately seek a connection between every event
    > and time-landmark in the entire POTA Universe. But
    > they are a vocal percentage. Surely picking the de-
    > tails to death in such a way does nothing but reduce
    > your overall enjoyment of the POTA experience?

    When I walked into the theatre to watch Tim Bur-
    ton's version of POTA... I went in with a very open
    mind. I walked in there expecting not to see a 'con-
    tunuation' of POTA, but indeed... something different.
    And just as the opening credits started, I allowed the
    POTA i knew to drift from my mind, and pretended that
    I was watching 'something' POTA for the very first time,
    and I wanted to see if the film could stand on its own
    merits. I did the same with the new Battlestar Galac-
    tica, to discover something new and different, and it
    was, as I came to accept it as if was the only Battle-
    star Galactica I ever knew. And as is... the new BSG
    stands, and very well, on its own merits, proving to
    be a perfectly wonderful 'reinagining' of the BSG story
    concept. And I came to love it right away.

    With Burton's POTA... I was left feeling cheated
    by the content of the story as he told it. The first
    thing that hit me was... where in the devil did the
    horses come from?!?! From the beginning I had to won-
    der where else woud the film fail, as it unfolded be-
    fore my eyes.

    So, I sat and watched, and watched, and watched, all
    the way through to that awful and confusing ending with
    a 'twist' that made positively no sense to me at all,
    no matter how I tried to reason it out. It's good
    points? Few. Great special effects and positively
    wonderful makeup. But... that was about it. The
    story was weak and implausible, the dislog stilted,
    and the voilence all but totally superflous. Overall...
    a waste of time and film and the cost of a movie ticket.

    Ultimately... I decided that it was little more
    than a poorly made fan film... made by a fan whom had
    no grasp at all of what POTA was about. To me... is
    was like a cheap Turkish version of Star Trek, Star
    Wars and E.T.- films that I have in fact seen, and
    yes, produced on a showstring budget in turket. You-
    Tube has those films on their site even now. Burton's
    POTA reminded me... of that. ir was mqade as if some-
    one had only heard of POTA, making it from incomplete
    verbal notes, and a fading memory of them.

    I fully gave Burton's POTA a fair chance. My mind
    was open to anything... and once it was done... I
    walked out feeling cheated- if not beaten and robbed.
    So, do I think that Burton's POTA, is POTA? No. Not
    at all. It's just a film that happens to have Apes
    in it. To me... it has no real connection to the
    POTA that we know and love, at all. Burton's POTA
    is not POTA, not to me, no way. And personally, I
    think that it would best be... totally forgotten.

    ~ Jon
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    Group: pota Message: 41972 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/2/2007
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    Actually that's Bill's project.  I'm just acting in it.

     


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    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
    >
    > > Comics and books have all expanded and/or contradicted other
    sources, so it seems that in the long run it is an exercise in
    futility to shoe-horn everything into one easy chronology.

    If that's the case, please explain the story that Bill and yourself
    are involved in producing? Isn't that trying to shoe-horn two
    completely different entities into one?!? (Those being the Boulle
    novel and the '68 film.)

    I am seriously asking, how can it be futile unless you're involved
    in it? The Broken Seas story is exactly what you've described above.


    > > Maybe it's only a small percentage of hard-core POTA fans who
    rage against the contradictions and desperately seek a connection
    between every event and time-landmark in the entire POTA Universe.  
    But they are a vocal percentage.  Surely picking the details to death
    in such a way does  nothing but reduce your overall enjoyment of the
    POTA experience?

    The Broken Seas audio story certainly is trying to connect EVERYTHING
    in the so called POTA Universe. Does what's being done there not
    count as seeking a connection between every event in the POTA
    universe?

    Seriously, connecting MONKEY PLANET and a masterpiece of cinema? The
    two entities are not interchangable.





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    Group: pota Message: 41973 From: Jonathan Date: 5/2/2007
    Subject: Looking for some POTA-TREK Cross-over Material
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    Hello all :-)

    Does anyone here have anything in the way of POTA and
    Star Trek cross-over materials, pictures in particular?
    If you do, I'd like to see them and share such with others,
    if that's okay, please :-)

    Such materials in any form, such as in parody or toon-
    images, humor, or even if it's serious, would be just great.
    Anything :-) Please... share whatever you may have, if you
    can :-)

    Thanx in advance :-)

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Star_Trek_Fans

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    Group: pota Message: 41974 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/2/2007
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      Look at this picture of what Fox is offering for the "Giant Collection" full series box set of "Land of the Giants."  It's going to cost between $150 to $200 bucks!  Now are there that many crazy fans of this series?  And we didn't get one extra for the POTA TV series!

      If you can't see the picture, it's on www.thedigitalbits.com

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      In a message dated 5/2/2007 5:26:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
      Look at this picture of what Fox is offering for the "Giant Collection" full series box set of "Land of the Giants."  It's going to cost between $150 to $200 bucks!  Now are there that many crazy fans of this series?  And we didn't get one extra for the POTA TV series!

      If you can't see the picture, it's on www.thedigitalbits.com

      -- Rory
      Actually I have been a fan of this series since it came out in 1968.  However I'm not rushing out to buy it. Columbia House released the first season on DVD a few years ago so I can watch those while I wait for the (ridiculous) price to drop. By the way, the original script for the Giants pilot was very similar to the first APES film. Just substitute giant humans for apes. Fox realized their mistake and changed it to include a Lost in Space-like cast.
       
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      Group: pota Message: 41976 From: Glen Date: 5/2/2007
      Subject: Re: Mighty World of Marvel issue 240
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      Welcome back, Greg...And thanks for the nod...=)

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
      >
      > I'm back from France, and hope that you all found your way to
      Hunter's site during my absence to not only download the previous two
      issues of Mighty World of Marvel, but also to see the new autograph
      and make-up appliance pictures he's added to the site. Thanks to Rob
      Reading, Dean Preston and Glen Scheetz for sharing these items from
      their colections.
      >
      > Also added while I was away is a 37-minute video interview with
      Linda Harrison and Buck Kartalian from the recent Memorabilia show.
      Thanks to Darren Stockford and Rob Reading for making this available.
      >
      > This week's issue is short, just a single file. Jason and
      Alexander are in snow country, and all that extra white space on the
      pages made the file sizes smaller. ;)
      >
      > https://pota.goatley.com
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Greg
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 41977 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/2/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
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      Well, regardless of whose project it is, you really do have to admit
      that a lot of the things you were pointing out do apply to it (Broken
      Sea's "planet" that is.)

      You have clarified that you're just acting it, that's fair enough.
      But still, the questions asked do apply, and since you are a part of
      it, though as an actor, I'd still like to ask:

      1)Please explain the story that Broken Seas is producing: Isn't that
      trying to shoe-horn two completely different entities into one? I ask
      you because you don't seem to care for the idea of "shoe-horning",
      and I would like to know your viewpoint on it as it applies to Broken
      Seas, especially since you've chosen to take part in their retelling.

      2)It appears (so far) that the Broken Seas audio story is trying to
      connect EVERYTHING in the so called POTA Universe. Does what's being
      done there not count as seeking a connection between every event in
      the POTA universe?

      I would also ask for Bill's viewpoints on this, but as of right now,
      he has not made any commentary pro or con on mixing everything up,
      where you have.

      I myself do not like the idea of trying to tie everything into one
      neat bow. I do see where the TV series "can" be related to the films
      in that it can be looked at as earlier in the timeline. However, I do
      not believe in trying to combine the various comics and/or RETURN
      with the established canon of the flms.

      I would also like to ask the moderator(s) of this board to allow this
      post to pass without incident. It is not an attack on anyone, it is
      clearly just asking someone their views on a particular project that
      they are involved in, since the project appears to clide with their
      own personal "beliefs". It is no different than asking someone
      wearing fur what they are doing at a PETA meeting.


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
      >
      > Actually that's Bill's project. I'm just acting in it.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...>
      > Sent by: pota@yahoogroups.com
      > 03/05/2007 04:21 a.m.
      > Please respond to pota
      >
      > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      > cc:
      > Subject: [POTA] Re: Don't shoot...
      >
      >
      >
      > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@ wrote:
      > >
      > > > Comics and books have all expanded and/or contradicted other
      > sources, so it seems that in the long run it is an exercise in
      > futility to shoe-horn everything into one easy chronology.
      >
      > If that's the case, please explain the story that Bill and yourself
      > are involved in producing? Isn't that trying to shoe-horn two
      > completely different entities into one?!? (Those being the Boulle
      > novel and the '68 film.)
      >
      > I am seriously asking, how can it be futile unless you're involved
      > in it? The Broken Seas story is exactly what you've described above.
      >
      >
      > > > Maybe it's only a small percentage of hard-core POTA fans who
      > rage against the contradictions and desperately seek a connection
      > between every event and time-landmark in the entire POTA Universe.
      > But they are a vocal percentage. Surely picking the details to
      death
      > in such a way does nothing but reduce your overall enjoyment of
      the
      > POTA experience?
      >
      > The Broken Seas audio story certainly is trying to connect
      EVERYTHING
      > in the so called POTA Universe. Does what's being done there not
      > count as seeking a connection between every event in the POTA
      > universe?
      >
      > Seriously, connecting MONKEY PLANET and a masterpiece of cinema?
      The
      > two entities are not interchangable.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 41978 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/2/2007
      Subject: Re: Finally broke down and watched the Tim Burton POTA.
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      He did use Glenn Shadix (Sen. Nardo) who was in Beetlejuice and Nightmare and of curse there was Lisa Marie......

      Tim

      Randy <tikiman1705@...> wrote:
      --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "0" <vscimone@.. .> wrote:

      Hadn't heard of Jackson possibly picking up the bannana, oops I mean
      ball. Hope it's true. As for Burtons version at least he didn't use his
      normal stable of actors. I mean, imagine Johnny Depp as the Astronaut,
      or maybe Michael Keaton. Worse yet. Pee Wee Herman as Thade.......

      >
      > When James Cameron dropped the POTA remake project, I knew it was in
      > trouble. When Tim Burton picked it up, I knew it was doomed.
      >
      > The news of Peter Jackson possibly making another remake lifts my
      > spirits though.
      >



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      Group: pota Message: 41979 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/2/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
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      I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a explanation.

      From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the BrokenSea Audio production and the usual discussion about what happened when.

      From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything together, having characters that had no original relationship appear in scenes that follow on.

      To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which is making his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering to originally - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.

      Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the best elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of it.


      >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they are doing at a PETA meeting.

      ROFL


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      Group: pota Message: 41980 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying I am a fan of both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and although I could have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the book or the movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see the chimp astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the story, I also always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was interested in Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few other things as sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully not detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just adding a bit of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I understand that some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and that's cool. This is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and I by no means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed since I raced home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope this helps. If not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you for your views amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the same love for POTA.

      On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@... <paul_mannering@...
      > wrote:

      I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a explanation.

      From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the BrokenSea Audio production and the usual discussion about what happened when.

      From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything together, having characters that had no original relationship appear in scenes that follow on.

      To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which is making his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering to originally - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.

      Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the best elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of it.


      >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they are doing at a PETA meeting.

      ROFL


       

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      --
      Bill Hollweg
      Have Sword...
           Will Slay...
              Barbarian in need of Ale...
      Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      Bill Hollweg
      Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      www.brokensea.com
      The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      Planet of the Apes
      Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41981 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      And someday I will spell check my responses to the list-don't shoot me for the mis-pellings-LOL

      On 5/3/07, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
      Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying I am a fan of both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and although I could have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the book or the movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see the chimp astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the story, I also always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was interested in Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few other things as sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully not detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just adding a bit of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I understand that some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and that's cool. This is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and I by no means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed since I raced home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope this helps. If not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you for your views amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the same love for POTA.


      On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@... <paul_mannering@... > wrote:

      I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a explanation.

      From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the BrokenSea Audio production and the usual discussion about what happened when.

      From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything together, having characters that had no original relationship appear in scenes that follow on.

      To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which is making his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering to originally - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.

      Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the best elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of it.


      >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they are doing at a PETA meeting.

      ROFL


       

      The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please advise the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachments. Nothing in this email designates an information system for the purposes of Section 11(a) of the New Zealand Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Westpac New Zealand Limited.




      --
      Bill Hollweg
      Have Sword...
           Will Slay...
              Barbarian in need of Ale...
      Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      Bill Hollweg
      Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      www.brokensea.com
      The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      Planet of the Apes
      Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting



      --
      Bill Hollweg
      Have Sword...
           Will Slay...
              Barbarian in need of Ale...
      Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      Bill Hollweg
      Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      www.brokensea.com
      The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      Planet of the Apes
      Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41982 From: corneliusrobinson77 Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Battle uncut on region 2?
      .html
      Hello everybody, new apes fan here. Can anyone please tell me if Battle
      for the Planet of the Apes has been released uncut on region 2 yet? All
      the online retailers I have looked at show a run time of 83 minutes
      which presumably is the cut version.

      In fact given it's POTA's 40th anniversary next year can we expect yet
      another release of the series?
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41983 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: talking apes!
      .html
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070501/sc_nm/apes_language_dc

      Tim


      Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
      Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41984 From: Glen Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      IMHO, I think Bill has done an excellent job with his adaptaion...I,
      personally, don't understand what the attacks are all about...I
      wouldn't change a thing -- except, maybe to turn it all visual,
      rather than just audio!...=)

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
      >
      > Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying I am
      a fan of
      > both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and although
      I could
      > have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the book
      or the
      > movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see the
      chimp
      > astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the
      story, I also
      > always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was
      interested in
      > Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few other
      things as
      > sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully not
      > detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just
      adding a bit
      > of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I
      understand that
      > some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and that's
      cool. This
      > is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and I
      by no
      > means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed since
      I raced
      > home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope this
      helps. If
      > not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you for
      your views
      > amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the same
      love for
      > POTA.
      >
      > On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@... <paul_mannering@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a
      explanation.
      > >
      > > From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the
      BrokenSea Audio
      > > production and the usual discussion about what happened when.
      > >
      > > From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything
      together,
      > > having characters that had no original relationship appear in
      scenes that
      > > follow on.
      > >
      > > To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which
      is making
      > > his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering to
      originally
      > > - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.
      > >
      > > Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the
      best
      > > elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of it.
      > >
      > >
      > > >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they are
      doing at
      > > a PETA meeting.
      > >
      > > ROFL
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have
      received this
      > > communication by mistake, please advise the sender immediately
      and delete
      > > the message and any attachments. Nothing in this email designates
      an
      > > information system for the purposes of Section 11(a) of the New
      Zealand
      > > Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Westpac New Zealand Limited.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Bill Hollweg
      > Have Sword...
      > Will Slay...
      > Barbarian in need of Ale...
      > Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      > Bill Hollweg
      > Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      > www.brokensea.com
      > The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      > http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      > Planet of the Apes
      > Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      >
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41985 From: Glen Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: talking apes!
      .html
      Very interesting...Thanks, Tim...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
      >
      > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070501/sc_nm/apes_language_dc
      >
      > Tim
      >
      >
      > ---------------------------------
      > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
      > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
      >
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41986 From: Glen Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
      .html
      First off, welcome...Glad to have you here...
      To answer your question, the longest version released to date came
      out with the "head"...It included all the cut scenes, to my
      knowledge...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "corneliusrobinson77"
      <corneliusrobinson77@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello everybody, new apes fan here. Can anyone please tell me if
      Battle
      > for the Planet of the Apes has been released uncut on region 2 yet?
      All
      > the online retailers I have looked at show a run time of 83 minutes
      > which presumably is the cut version.
      >
      > In fact given it's POTA's 40th anniversary next year can we expect
      yet
      > another release of the series?
      >
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41987 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      Thanks glen! <firing up my spell checker now-LOL> I appreciate it! But I really don't feel that was an attack, just someone asking for clarification and stating their opinion in a professional and non-combative way which is groovy! <I could tell ya tales for hours- of attacks over this issue from other places on the net that were abusive and juvinile-but I won't>. We are doing this out of a love for POTA, and because it's fun and hopefully will give ya a break from bill's, yardwork, speeding tickets, yada yada for 20 minutes of escapism and fun in a universe we all enjoy. And doing it for free so all can listen. Wheter it's art, fun, or fluff, we are havin a ball and I am honored that so many people are listening!
       

       
      On 5/3/07, Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

      IMHO, I think Bill has done an excellent job with his adaptaion...I,
      personally, don't understand what the attacks are all about...I
      wouldn't change a thing -- except, maybe to turn it all visual,
      rather than just audio!...=)

      G



      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
      >
      > Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying I am
      a fan of
      > both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and although
      I could
      > have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the book
      or the
      > movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see the
      chimp
      > astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the
      story, I also
      > always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was
      interested in
      > Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few other
      things as
      > sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully not
      > detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just
      adding a bit
      > of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I
      understand that
      > some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and that's
      cool. This
      > is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and I
      by no
      > means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed since
      I raced
      > home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope this
      helps. If
      > not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you for
      your views
      > amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the same
      love for
      > POTA.
      >
      > On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@... <paul_mannering@...>

      > wrote:
      > >
      > > I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a
      explanation.
      > >
      > > From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the
      BrokenSea Audio
      > > production and the usual discussion about what happened when.
      > >
      > > From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything
      together,
      > > having characters that had no original relationship appear in
      scenes that
      > > follow on.
      > >
      > > To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which
      is making
      > > his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering to
      originally
      > > - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.
      > >
      > > Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the
      best
      > > elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of it.
      > >
      > >
      > > >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they are
      doing at
      > > a PETA meeting.
      > >
      > > ROFL
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have
      received this
      > > communication by mistake, please advise the sender immediately
      and delete
      > > the message and any attachments. Nothing in this email designates
      an
      > > information system for the purposes of Section 11(a) of the New
      Zealand
      > > Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Westpac New Zealand Limited.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Bill Hollweg
      > Have Sword...
      > Will Slay...
      > Barbarian in need of Ale...
      > Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      > Bill Hollweg
      > Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      > www.brokensea.com
      > The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      > http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      > Planet of the Apes
      > Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      >




      --
      Bill Hollweg
      Have Sword...
           Will Slay...
              Barbarian in need of Ale...
      Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      Bill Hollweg
      Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      www.brokensea.com
      The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      Planet of the Apes
      Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41988 From: corneliusrobinson77 Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
      .html
      Hi, thanks. I'd forgotten about the head. As much as I'd like it,
      it's a bit pricey. Maybe I'll have a look around for an imported
      version of Battle.

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
      >
      > First off, welcome...Glad to have you here...
      > To answer your question, the longest version released to date came
      > out with the "head"...It included all the cut scenes, to my
      > knowledge...
      >
      > G
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "corneliusrobinson77"
      > <corneliusrobinson77@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello everybody, new apes fan here. Can anyone please tell me if
      > Battle
      > > for the Planet of the Apes has been released uncut on region 2
      yet?
      > All
      > > the online retailers I have looked at show a run time of 83
      minutes
      > > which presumably is the cut version.
      > >
      > > In fact given it's POTA's 40th anniversary next year can we
      expect
      > yet
      > > another release of the series?
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41989 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      .html.htmlIn a message dated 5/2/2007 6:05:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:


      By the way, the original script for the Giants pilot was very similar to the first APES film.


      The seats used in the spaceship in LAND OF THE GIANTS are the same ones used in the original Icarus set in POTA, though they did change the color for the TV show.

      -- Rory



      **************************************
      See what's free at http://www.aol.com.<.html
      <.html
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41990 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      .html
      In a message dated 5/3/2007 5:51:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

      In a message dated 5/2/2007 6:05:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, stenosaurus@ aol.com writes:


      By the way, the original script for the Giants pilot was very similar to the first APES film.


      The seats used in the spaceship in LAND OF THE GIANTS are the same ones used in the original Icarus set in POTA, though they did change the color for the TV show.

      -- Rory



      That's right. And I think they were re-painted again and used in Babylon 5!
       
      Bruce




      See what's free at AOL.com.
      <.html
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41991 From: Jonathan Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: talking apes!
      .html
      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
      >
      > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070501/sc_nm/apes_language_dc
      >
      > Tim

      Positively fascinating :-) Thanx for that link :-)

      ~ Jon
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41992 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/3/2007
      Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
      .html
      The Ultimate Collection is a bit pricey, especially since it includes
      NOTHING new as far as the films go... Sure, they included RETURN with
      it (I think as a "draw card") and then sold it seperately anyway.

      And, that Caesar head isn't so great in my opinion. They should have
      had it be Cornelius, since I think Cornelius is probably more well
      known, plus it would have been better to have an ape from the original
      film. I'll give them this much though: At least they didn't have the
      DVDs held in a case that resembled the Statue of Liberty.


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "corneliusrobinson77"
      <corneliusrobinson77@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi, thanks. I'd forgotten about the head. As much as I'd like it,
      > it's a bit pricey.
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41993 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      Who attacked who?

      I only asked Paul to clarify his stance a bit. After all, to me it
      seemed as though he was against trying to "mix" things, and yet he is
      involved in a project that clearly IS mixing various elements. His
      response cleared that up, at least somewhat.

      I think I get what he does think on the subject and that's the end of
      that. I do still see some weirdness though, in that while Paul does
      say that Bill's story doesn't really fall in the catagory of what he
      doesn't care for (the chronology issues) I still say that it
      does/could/might.


      For example, take Milo's backstory. While it could have taken place
      during what we know as PLANET, "chronologically", it may have taken
      place during the brief gap of time from the end of PLANET and the
      story of BENEATH. There really is no knowing of what the actual
      window of time is, but assuming Bill's story takes place only during
      the timeframe of PLANET, then the Broken Sea's story "is" playing
      with the order of the events happening.

      Not a major issue, but still, it does count as a chain of events issue




      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
      >
      > IMHO, I think Bill has done an excellent job with his adaption...I,
      > personally, don't understand what the attacks are all about...I
      > wouldn't change a thing -- except, maybe to turn it all visual,
      > rather than just audio!...=)
      >
      > G
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying I
      am
      > a fan of
      > > both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and
      although
      > I could
      > > have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the book
      > or the
      > > movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see the
      > chimp
      > > astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the
      > story, I also
      > > always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was
      > interested in
      > > Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few
      other
      > things as
      > > sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully not
      > > detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just
      > adding a bit
      > > of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I
      > understand that
      > > some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and that's
      > cool. This
      > > is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and I
      > by no
      > > means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed
      since
      > I raced
      > > home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope this
      > helps. If
      > > not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you for
      > your views
      > > amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the same
      > love for
      > > POTA.
      > >
      > > On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@ <paul_mannering@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a
      > explanation.
      > > >
      > > > From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the
      > BrokenSea Audio
      > > > production and the usual discussion about what happened when.
      > > >
      > > > From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything
      > together,
      > > > having characters that had no original relationship appear in
      > scenes that
      > > > follow on.
      > > >
      > > > To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which
      > is making
      > > > his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering
      to
      > originally
      > > > - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.
      > > >
      > > > Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the
      > best
      > > > elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of
      it.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they
      are
      > doing at
      > > > a PETA meeting.
      > > >
      > > > ROFL
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have
      > received this
      > > > communication by mistake, please advise the sender immediately
      > and delete
      > > > the message and any attachments. Nothing in this email
      designates
      > an
      > > > information system for the purposes of Section 11(a) of the New
      > Zealand
      > > > Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Westpac New Zealand Limited.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --
      > > Bill Hollweg
      > > Have Sword...
      > > Will Slay...
      > > Barbarian in need of Ale...
      > > Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      > > Bill Hollweg
      > > Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      > > www.brokensea.com
      > > The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      > > http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      > > Planet of the Apes
      > > Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 41994 From: Glen Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      You're right, attack's too strong a word...My apologies...

      It's just that, as an artist/writer/actor, I realize the lengths
      someone needs to go to to create their dream...I believe Bill, and
      his team, have done an excellent job with their creation, expanding
      logically beyond the original movies, without losing their true
      feel...And, unlike the last three Apes items to come out (the comic,
      Sideshow's figures and Rittenhouse's cards), no one has made a penny
      off of Broken Sea's "Planet of the Apes"...
      I just hate to see anything that is discouraging being bantered
      around about that kind of love and devotion to their craft, that's
      all...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
      >
      > Who attacked who?
      >
      > I only asked Paul to clarify his stance a bit. After all, to me it
      > seemed as though he was against trying to "mix" things, and yet he
      is
      > involved in a project that clearly IS mixing various elements. His
      > response cleared that up, at least somewhat.
      >
      > I think I get what he does think on the subject and that's the end
      of
      > that. I do still see some weirdness though, in that while Paul does
      > say that Bill's story doesn't really fall in the catagory of what
      he
      > doesn't care for (the chronology issues) I still say that it
      > does/could/might.
      >
      >
      > For example, take Milo's backstory. While it could have taken place
      > during what we know as PLANET, "chronologically", it may have taken
      > place during the brief gap of time from the end of PLANET and the
      > story of BENEATH. There really is no knowing of what the actual
      > window of time is, but assuming Bill's story takes place only
      during
      > the timeframe of PLANET, then the Broken Sea's story "is" playing
      > with the order of the events happening.
      >
      > Not a major issue, but still, it does count as a chain of events
      issue
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
      > >
      > > IMHO, I think Bill has done an excellent job with his
      adaption...I,
      > > personally, don't understand what the attacks are all about...I
      > > wouldn't change a thing -- except, maybe to turn it all visual,
      > > rather than just audio!...=)
      > >
      > > G
      > >
      > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying
      I
      > am
      > > a fan of
      > > > both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and
      > although
      > > I could
      > > > have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the
      book
      > > or the
      > > > movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see
      the
      > > chimp
      > > > astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the
      > > story, I also
      > > > always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was
      > > interested in
      > > > Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few
      > other
      > > things as
      > > > sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully
      not
      > > > detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just
      > > adding a bit
      > > > of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I
      > > understand that
      > > > some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and
      that's
      > > cool. This
      > > > is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and
      I
      > > by no
      > > > means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed
      > since
      > > I raced
      > > > home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope
      this
      > > helps. If
      > > > not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you
      for
      > > your views
      > > > amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the
      same
      > > love for
      > > > POTA.
      > > >
      > > > On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@ <paul_mannering@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a
      > > explanation.
      > > > >
      > > > > From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the
      > > BrokenSea Audio
      > > > > production and the usual discussion about what happened when.
      > > > >
      > > > > From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything
      > > together,
      > > > > having characters that had no original relationship appear in
      > > scenes that
      > > > > follow on.
      > > > >
      > > > > To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing -
      which
      > > is making
      > > > > his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering
      > to
      > > originally
      > > > > - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.
      > > > >
      > > > > Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take
      the
      > > best
      > > > > elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of
      > it.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they
      > are
      > > doing at
      > > > > a PETA meeting.
      > > > >
      > > > > ROFL
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have
      > > received this
      > > > > communication by mistake, please advise the sender
      immediately
      > > and delete
      > > > > the message and any attachments. Nothing in this email
      > designates
      > > an
      > > > > information system for the purposes of Section 11(a) of the
      New
      > > Zealand
      > > > > Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Westpac New Zealand Limited.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --
      > > > Bill Hollweg
      > > > Have Sword...
      > > > Will Slay...
      > > > Barbarian in need of Ale...
      > > > Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      > > > Bill Hollweg
      > > > Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      > > > www.brokensea.com
      > > > The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      > > > http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      > > > Planet of the Apes
      > > > Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      > > >
      > >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 41995 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
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      In a message dated 5/4/2007 2:03:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:
      I just hate to see anything that is discouraging
       




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      Group: pota Message: 41996 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: Re: Battle uncut on region 2?
      .html
      > The Ultimate Collection is a bit pricey, especially since it includes
      > NOTHING new as far as the films go... Sure, they included RETURN with
      > it (I think as a "draw card") and then sold it seperately anyway.

      Don't forget that the separately-released versions were much better
      quality than what was included in the Ultimate Collection.

      > And, that Caesar head isn't so great in my opinion. They should have
      > had it be Cornelius, since I think Cornelius is probably more well
      > known, plus it would have been better to have an ape from the original
      > film.

      To most people, it's an ape---that's all that matters. I'm sure lots
      of people who bought the head wouldn't be able to tell you who it
      was.....

      Hunter
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      Group: pota Message: 41997 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      Thanks for the interest amigo! The BrokenSea production is taking place in the POTA timeframe but will run through the end of Beneath POTA (they both seem to run together and I have always thought that they could be edited together into 1 3-4 hour film) and so Dr Milo and such can be added IMO without hurting the timeline and set up the Escape premise without just adding an Unknown Chimpanzee into the mix. I loved Escape POTA, but always wanted a smidge more about Dr Milo as a fan of the series. I know it sounds like I am trying to totally muddy the timeline, but I really am just trying to add a few bits here and there to open it up a hair. Hope that makes sense.

      On 5/4/07, aboro3085 <aboro3085@...> wrote:

      Who attacked who?

      I only asked Paul to clarify his stance a bit. After all, to me it
      seemed as though he was against trying to "mix" things, and yet he is
      involved in a project that clearly IS mixing various elements. His
      response cleared that up, at least somewhat.

      I think I get what he does think on the subject and that's the end of
      that. I do still see some weirdness though, in that while Paul does
      say that Bill's story doesn't really fall in the catagory of what he
      doesn't care for (the chronology issues) I still say that it
      does/could/might.

      For example, take Milo's backstory. While it could have taken place
      during what we know as PLANET, "chronologically", it may have taken
      place during the brief gap of time from the end of PLANET and the
      story of BENEATH. There really is no knowing of what the actual
      window of time is, but assuming Bill's story takes place only during
      the timeframe of PLANET, then the Broken Sea's story "is" playing
      with the order of the events happening.

      Not a major issue, but still, it does count as a chain of events issue

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
      >
      > IMHO, I think Bill has done an excellent job with his adaption...I,


      > personally, don't understand what the attacks are all about...I
      > wouldn't change a thing -- except, maybe to turn it all visual,
      > rather than just audio!...=)
      >
      > G
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying I
      am
      > a fan of
      > > both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and
      although
      > I could
      > > have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the book
      > or the
      > > movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see the
      > chimp
      > > astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the
      > story, I also
      > > always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was
      > interested in
      > > Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few
      other
      > things as
      > > sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully not
      > > detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just
      > adding a bit
      > > of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I
      > understand that
      > > some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and that's
      > cool. This
      > > is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and I
      > by no
      > > means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed
      since
      > I raced
      > > home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope this
      > helps. If
      > > not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you for
      > your views
      > > amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the same
      > love for
      > > POTA.
      > >
      > > On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@ <paul_mannering@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a
      > explanation.
      > > >
      > > > From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the
      > BrokenSea Audio
      > > > production and the usual discussion about what happened when.
      > > >
      > > > From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything
      > together,
      > > > having characters that had no original relationship appear in
      > scenes that
      > > > follow on.
      > > >
      > > > To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which
      > is making
      > > > his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering
      to
      > originally
      > > > - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.
      > > >
      > > > Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the
      > best
      > > > elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of
      it.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they
      are
      > doing at
      > > > a PETA meeting.
      > > >
      > > > ROFL
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have
      > received this
      > > > communication by mistake, please advise the sender immediately
      > and delete
      > > > the message and any attachments. Nothing in this email
      designates
      > an
      > > > information system for the purposes of Section 11(a) of the New
      > Zealand
      > > > Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Westpac New Zealand Limited.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --
      > > Bill Hollweg
      > > Have Sword...
      > > Will Slay...
      > > Barbarian in need of Ale...
      > > Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      > > Bill Hollweg
      > > Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      > > www.brokensea.com
      > > The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      > > http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      > > Planet of the Apes
      > > Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      > >
      >




      --
      Bill Hollweg
      Have Sword...
           Will Slay...
              Barbarian in need of Ale...
      Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      Bill Hollweg
      Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      www.brokensea.com
      The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      Planet of the Apes
      Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
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      Group: pota Message: 41998 From: James Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: Lesson from the Lawgiver
      .html

      The new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

      To view the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

      Have a great weekend everybody!

      Visit all the Group's special features including:

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      Group: pota Message: 41999 From: 0 Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: The Future is NOW!
      .html

      Looks like the conquest of the Planet of the Apes is starting in Vienna, Austria!!   Click here for the aritcle..

      Gotta go. Gotta make myself a flame thrower and hide all the knives...

      -Luhiss

       

      (hope they get that chimp what he needs)

       

       

       

       

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      Group: pota Message: 42000 From: R E Zuleta Date: 5/5/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      Speaking of re-using props (sets or items) from "POTA" films, I
      remember this one time, when 'Entertainment Tonight's' JOHN TESH'
      gues-starred in an episode from the first season of "Star Trek: TNG,"
      he appeared - or played the part of this stand in 'klingon'
      wearing "POTA" (gorilla-militant) boots. I think it was the episode
      where 'Lt. Worf' undergoes a 'klingon rite of passage' ceremony
      (inside the holodeck). In the scene there's all these 'klingon'
      warriors lined up side by side, on top this pedestal like things, and
      each one of them is holding a long caddle prod like stick. They each
      have to shock 'Worf' with it as he walks down the aisle,

      RE Zuleta





      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 5/3/2007 5:51:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      > Haristas@... writes:
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 5/2/2007 6:05:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
      stenosaurus@In
      > a message da
      >
      >
      >
      > By the way, the original script for the Giants pilot was very
      similar to the
      > first APES film.
      >
      >
      > The seats used in the spaceship in LAND OF THE GIANTS are the same
      ones used
      > in the original Icarus set in POTA, though they did change the
      color for the
      > TV show.
      >
      > -- Rory
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > That's right. And I think they were re-painted again and used in
      Babylon 5!
      >
      > Bruce
      >
      >
      >
      > ************************************** See what's free at
      http://www.aol.com
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42001 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/5/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      .html
      In a message dated 5/5/2007 1:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, re_zuleta@... writes:

      Speaking of re-using props (sets or items) from "POTA" films, I
      remember this one time, when 'Entertainment Tonight's' JOHN TESH'
      gues-starred in an episode from the first season of "Star Trek: TNG,"
      he appeared - or played the part of this stand in 'klingon'
      wearing "POTA" (gorilla-militant) boots. I think it was the episode
      where 'Lt. Worf' undergoes a 'klingon rite of passage' ceremony
      (inside the holodeck). In the scene there's all these 'klingon'
      warriors lined up side by side, on top this pedestal like things, and
      each one of them is holding a long caddle prod like stick. They each
      have to shock 'Worf' with it as he walks down the aisle,

      RE Zuleta

      Sorry to say I never really looked at the gorillas' feet lol...but I did look at the Addar model of Ursus and his boots are 'cloven" or split like a hoof ..is that what the boots looked like in the films?
       
      Bruce 




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      Group: pota Message: 42002 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      I don't think my original post was as clear as it should have been.

      In summary.

      POTA is rife with potential contradictions - particularly when you focus on the details such as the chronology of all the material.  Focusing on the minutiae of things that can never really be completely resolved (eg: POTA chronology) is an exercise in futility that over all just detracts from the coolness of POTA.

      Therefore - No I don't think Bill's audio production is in breach of this.  He has taken (IMO) the best aspects of Apes and blended it together into a quality audio drama that has something for the hardcore fans as well as those who haven't even seen the original films.

      (And I didn't feel attacked, just challenged to explain my argument - which is a good thing).

       


      "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...>
      Sent by: pota@yahoogroups.com

      04/05/2007 05:46 P.M.
      Please respond to pota

             
              To:        pota@yahoogroups.com
              cc:        
              Subject:        [POTA] Re: Don't shoot...



      Who attacked who?

      I only asked Paul to clarify his stance a bit. After all, to me it
      seemed as though he was against trying to "mix" things, and yet he is
      involved in a project that clearly IS mixing various elements. His
      response cleared that up, at least somewhat.

      I think I get what he does think on the subject and that's the end of
      that. I do still see some weirdness though, in that while Paul does
      say that Bill's story doesn't really fall in the catagory of what he
      doesn't care for (the chronology issues) I still say that it
      does/could/might.


      For example, take Milo's backstory. While it could have taken place
      during what we know as PLANET, "chronologically", it may have taken
      place during the brief gap of time from the end of PLANET and the
      story of BENEATH. There really is no knowing of what the actual
      window of time is, but assuming Bill's story takes place only during
      the timeframe of PLANET, then the Broken Sea's story "is" playing
      with the order of the events happening.

      Not a major issue, but still, it does count as a chain of events issue




      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
      >
      > IMHO, I think Bill has done an excellent job with his adaption...I,
      > personally, don't understand what the attacks are all about...I
      > wouldn't change a thing -- except, maybe to turn it all visual,
      > rather than just audio!...=)
      >
      > G
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Sorry to have been so quiet about this. I will start by saying I
      am
      > a fan of
      > > both the book and the movie (and comaics-TV show-etc), and
      although
      > I could
      > > have done a strait adaption <and considered doing either the book
      > or the
      > > movie> I wanted to do a bit more, I had always wanted to see the
      > chimp
      > > astronauts and I think they add a cool extra dimension to the
      > story, I also
      > > always wondered how Dr Milo got Taylor's Ship working, and was
      > interested in
      > > Dr Hassline and his story. So I am exploring these and a few
      other
      > things as
      > > sidebars that I hope will add a bit to the story and hopefully not
      > > detract. I will say I am staying true to the script, and just
      > adding a bit
      > > of spice that I hope all will look at and give a chance. I
      > understand that
      > > some would rather it be a true strait forward adaption and that's
      > cool. This
      > > is how I see the story, and how I have chosen to go with it and I
      > by no
      > > means am trying to destroy a work of art that I have enjoyed
      since
      > I raced
      > > home on my bike in elementary school to catch ape week. Hope this
      > helps. If
      > > not, just hollar and I will try to explain further. Thank you for
      > your views
      > > amigo, I am happy to discuss POTA with people that have the same
      > love for
      > > POTA.
      > >
      > > On 5/2/07, paul_mannering@ <paul_mannering@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > >    I can't speak for Bill, but I can ask him to post a
      > explanation.
      > > >
      > > > From where I'm sitting I do see a difference between the
      > BrokenSea Audio
      > > > production and the usual discussion about what happened when.
      > > >
      > > > From the scripts I have read Bill is just blending everything
      > together,
      > > > having characters that had no original relationship appear in
      > scenes that
      > > > follow on.
      > > >
      > > > To me there is a distinction between what Bill is doing - which
      > is making
      > > > his own vision of the POTA experience and what I was refering
      to
      > originally
      > > > - being the arguing of semantics over chronology.
      > > >
      > > > Bill is actually doing what Burton should have done - take the
      > best
      > > > elements of the POTA Universe and make your own vision out of
      it.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > >It is no different than asking someone wearing fur what they
      are
      > doing at
      > > > a PETA meeting.
      > > >
      > > > ROFL
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have
      > received this
      > > > communication by mistake, please advise the sender immediately
      > and delete
      > > > the message and any attachments. Nothing in this email
      designates
      > an
      > > > information system for the purposes of Section 11(a) of the New
      > Zealand
      > > > Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Westpac New Zealand Limited.
      > > >
      > > >    
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --
      > > Bill Hollweg
      > > Have Sword...
      > >      Will Slay...
      > >         Barbarian in need of Ale...
      > > Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
      > > Bill Hollweg
      > > Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
      > > www.brokensea.com
      > > The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
      > > http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
      > > Planet of the Apes
      > > Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
      > >
      >





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      Group: pota Message: 42003 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
      .html
      .html.htmlJust to follow up on those two guys I told about a while back who've done commentaries for some of the Fox spy films on DVD.  I've emailed one of them at CINEMARETRO@...  and this is the reply I got about doing commentaries for APES:

      "Thanks Rory...I've suggested the Ape films to Fox...it will probably be a while in the best case only because they have marketed them so often that they probably want to give them a breather...I would love to do the lesser ones [He means the sequels], as I think sometimes these are the more interesting to cover because they've been analyzed the least...We had fun doing the spy movie commentaries for Fox... In fact, the famous Film Forum just had Eddy and I introduce Our Man Flint last week in NY-- a packed house saw a stunning 35mm print that looked like it was struck very recently....Great to see audiences enjoy these old classics."

      So, hopefully Fox will think that late 2008 is enough of a "breather," at least for the original, which will be celebrating its 40th anniversary.

      If you want to contact this guy about APES and check out the magazine he publishes, here's the info:

      Lee Pfeiffer
      Editor-in-Chief
      Cinema Retro magazine
      732-752-7257
      WWW.CINEMARETRO.COM- "CINEMA RETRO" IS THE NEW MAGAZINE DEVOTED TO CLASSIC & CULT FILMS OF THE ' 60S & '70S. WRITTEN ABOUT AND BY THE ACTORS & FILMMAKERS OF THE ERA.
      NOW AVAILABLE: ISSUE #7 FEATURING:
      *The making of "Batman" with Adam West & Burt Ward
      *Interviews with David McCallum & John Philip Law
      *Inside the "Death Wish" films
      *Elvis and his starlets
      *Rare movie stills and poster art













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      Group: pota Message: 42004 From: Mark Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: POTA at Memorabilia
      .html
      Found this on YouTube, probably old news but thought I'd post it anyway.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuk-fIAED4
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      Group: pota Message: 42005 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
      .html
      > Found this on YouTube, probably old news but thought I'd post it anyway.

      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuk-fIAED4

      That same video by Darren Stockford has been on my PotA site for
      several weeks now (along with another video by Rob Reading and
      Darren).

      https://pota.goatley.com/

      Hunter
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      Group: pota Message: 42006 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
      .html
      Thanks, Rory...Hopefully, there'll be something for the next
      anniversary...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
      >
      > Just to follow up on those two guys I told about a while back
      who've done
      > commentaries for some of the Fox spy films on DVD. I've emailed
      one of them at
      > CINEMARETRO@... and this is the reply I got about doing
      commentaries
      > for APES:
      >
      > "Thanks Rory...I've suggested the Ape films to Fox...it will
      probably be a
      > while in the best case only because they have marketed them so
      often that they
      > probably want to give them a breather...I would love to do the
      lesser ones [He
      > means the sequels], as I think sometimes these are the more
      interesting to
      > cover because they've been analyzed the least...We had fun doing
      the spy movie
      > commentaries for Fox... In fact, the famous Film Forum just had
      Eddy and I
      > introduce Our Man Flint last week in NY-- a packed house saw a
      stunning 35mm print
      > that looked like it was struck very recently....Great to see
      audiences enjoy
      > these old classics."
      >
      > So, hopefully Fox will think that late 2008 is enough of
      a "breather," at
      > least for the original, which will be celebrating its 40th
      anniversary.
      >
      > If you want to contact this guy about APES and check out the
      magazine he
      > publishes, here's the info:
      >
      > Lee Pfeiffer
      > Editor-in-Chief
      > Cinema Retro magazine
      > 732-752-7257
      > WWW.CINEMARETRO.COM- "CINEMA RETRO" IS THE NEW MAGAZINE DEVOTED TO
      CLASSIC &
      > CULT FILMS OF THE ' 60S & '70S. WRITTEN ABOUT AND BY THE ACTORS &
      FILMMAKERS
      > OF THE ERA.
      > NOW AVAILABLE: ISSUE #7 FEATURING:
      > *The making of "Batman" with Adam West & Burt Ward
      > *Interviews with David McCallum & John Philip Law
      > *Inside the "Death Wish" films
      > *Elvis and his starlets
      > *Rare movie stills and poster art
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > **************************************
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      Group: pota Message: 42007 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
      .html
      Thanks, Rory...Hopefully, there'll be something for the next
      anniversary...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
      >
      > Just to follow up on those two guys I told about a while back
      who've done
      > commentaries for some of the Fox spy films on DVD. I've emailed
      one of them at
      > CINEMARETRO@... and this is the reply I got about doing
      commentaries
      > for APES:
      >
      > "Thanks Rory...I've suggested the Ape films to Fox...it will
      probably be a
      > while in the best case only because they have marketed them so
      often that they
      > probably want to give them a breather...I would love to do the
      lesser ones [He
      > means the sequels], as I think sometimes these are the more
      interesting to
      > cover because they've been analyzed the least...We had fun doing
      the spy movie
      > commentaries for Fox... In fact, the famous Film Forum just had
      Eddy and I
      > introduce Our Man Flint last week in NY-- a packed house saw a
      stunning 35mm print
      > that looked like it was struck very recently....Great to see
      audiences enjoy
      > these old classics."
      >
      > So, hopefully Fox will think that late 2008 is enough of
      a "breather," at
      > least for the original, which will be celebrating its 40th
      anniversary.
      >
      > If you want to contact this guy about APES and check out the
      magazine he
      > publishes, here's the info:
      >
      > Lee Pfeiffer
      > Editor-in-Chief
      > Cinema Retro magazine
      > 732-752-7257
      > WWW.CINEMARETRO.COM- "CINEMA RETRO" IS THE NEW MAGAZINE DEVOTED TO
      CLASSIC &
      > CULT FILMS OF THE ' 60S & '70S. WRITTEN ABOUT AND BY THE ACTORS &
      FILMMAKERS
      > OF THE ERA.
      > NOW AVAILABLE: ISSUE #7 FEATURING:
      > *The making of "Batman" with Adam West & Burt Ward
      > *Interviews with David McCallum & John Philip Law
      > *Inside the "Death Wish" films
      > *Elvis and his starlets
      > *Rare movie stills and poster art
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > **************************************
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      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42008 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
      .html
      Thanks, Rory...Hopefully, there'll be something for the next
      anniversary...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
      >
      > Just to follow up on those two guys I told about a while back
      who've done
      > commentaries for some of the Fox spy films on DVD. I've emailed
      one of them at
      > CINEMARETRO@... and this is the reply I got about doing
      commentaries
      > for APES:
      >
      > "Thanks Rory...I've suggested the Ape films to Fox...it will
      probably be a
      > while in the best case only because they have marketed them so
      often that they
      > probably want to give them a breather...I would love to do the
      lesser ones [He
      > means the sequels], as I think sometimes these are the more
      interesting to
      > cover because they've been analyzed the least...We had fun doing
      the spy movie
      > commentaries for Fox... In fact, the famous Film Forum just had
      Eddy and I
      > introduce Our Man Flint last week in NY-- a packed house saw a
      stunning 35mm print
      > that looked like it was struck very recently....Great to see
      audiences enjoy
      > these old classics."
      >
      > So, hopefully Fox will think that late 2008 is enough of
      a "breather," at
      > least for the original, which will be celebrating its 40th
      anniversary.
      >
      > If you want to contact this guy about APES and check out the
      magazine he
      > publishes, here's the info:
      >
      > Lee Pfeiffer
      > Editor-in-Chief
      > Cinema Retro magazine
      > 732-752-7257
      > WWW.CINEMARETRO.COM- "CINEMA RETRO" IS THE NEW MAGAZINE DEVOTED TO
      CLASSIC &
      > CULT FILMS OF THE ' 60S & '70S. WRITTEN ABOUT AND BY THE ACTORS &
      FILMMAKERS
      > OF THE ERA.
      > NOW AVAILABLE: ISSUE #7 FEATURING:
      > *The making of "Batman" with Adam West & Burt Ward
      > *Interviews with David McCallum & John Philip Law
      > *Inside the "Death Wish" films
      > *Elvis and his starlets
      > *Rare movie stills and poster art
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > **************************************
      > See what's free at http://www.aol.com
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42009 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
      .html

      It would be odd of them to miss such an anniversary.


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      Group: pota Message: 42010 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
      .html
      It might be old news to some, but it was new news to me, and thoroughly
      enjoyable...Thanks, Mark...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
      >
      > Found this on YouTube, probably old news but thought I'd post it
      anyway.
      >
      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuk-fIAED4
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42011 From: Glen Date: 5/6/2007
      Subject: Yahoo glitch...
      .html
      Looks like Yahoo's threepeating posts, again...

      G
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      Group: pota Message: 42012 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Ultimate Collection ape head
      .html
      I'm really not so sure of that.

      I am only guessing that "most" of the folks who bought the set were
      more than just casual viewers. Casual viewers/fans might look at it as
      just an ape, but more of the hardcore fans do know who is who.


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
      > To most people, it's an ape---that's all that matters. I'm sure lots
      > of people who bought the head wouldn't be able to tell you who it
      > was.....
      >
      > Hunter
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42013 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      Yes, the gorillas boots are "split toed", just as you see on the Ursus
      model (not "three toed" as incorrectly depicted on the MEGO figure.)

      You'll also see the split toes boots on the orangutans when they are
      wearing boots, and if my memory is correct, the chimpanzee prefects on
      the TV show wear the split toes boots as well.



      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
      > Sorry to say I never really looked at the gorillas' feet lol...but I
      did look at the Addar model of Ursus and his boots are 'cloven" or
      split like a hoof ..is that what the boots looked like in the films?
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      Group: pota Message: 42014 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      Good God, how long are you planning on this story of your's running? ;0

      Seriously, I was under the impression that it was just to be the story
      in Planet, not combining two of them?

      Maybe Epic of the POTA would have been a better title?


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
      >
      > Thanks for the interest amigo! The BrokenSea production is taking
      place in the POTA timeframe but will run through the end of Beneath
      POTA.
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      Group: pota Message: 42015 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: (OT) Possible future APES commentaries
      .html
      Odd, but not unlikely.

      You remember we're dealing with a company that put it's 35th
      Anniversary DVD for PLANET out a year after it's anniversary!




      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
      >
      > It would be odd of them to miss such an anniversary.
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      Group: pota Message: 42016 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
      .html
      .html
      In a message dated 5/6/2007 9:14:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rkid67@... writes:
      Found this on YouTube, probably old news but thought I'd post it anyway.

      http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=kxuk-fIAED4
       
      I would have thought Buck was taller
      Though now I think of it eh was short
      for a gorilla.  I have that same T-shirt
       
       




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      Group: pota Message: 42017 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA at Memorabilia
      .html
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      Who is Les Hemstock?
      And where'd he make his money?
      That's one amazing collection.  I
      doubt Ape Goat Billy's is any better.
      All I get when I Google him is a DJ/Remixer.
       




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      Group: pota Message: 42018 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Don't shoot...
      .html
      I like that EPIC sounds big! LOL

      On 5/7/07, aboro3085 <aboro3085@...> wrote:

      Good God, how long are you planning on this story of your's running? ;0

      Seriously, I was under the impression that it was just to be the story
      in Planet, not combining two of them?

      Maybe Epic of the POTA would have been a better title?

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
      >
      > Thanks for the interest amigo! The BrokenSea production is taking
      place in the POTA timeframe but will run through the end of Beneath
      POTA.




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           Will Slay...
              Barbarian in need of Ale...
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      Group: pota Message: 42019 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      .html
      Oh yeah...DR Zaius has them on the Addar model, too.  Cornelius is wearing sandals on his model!
      Bruce 
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: aboro3085@...
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 1:47 AM
      Subject: [POTA] Re: Is Fox nuts or what?

      Yes, the gorillas boots are "split toed", just as you see on the Ursus
      model (not "three toed" as incorrectly depicted on the MEGO figure.)

      You'll also see the split toes boots on the orangutans when they are
      wearing boots, and if my memory is correct, the chimpanzee prefects on
      the TV show wear the split toes boots as well.

      --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, stenosaurus@ ... wrote:
      > Sorry to say I never really looked at the gorillas' feet lol...but I
      did look at the Addar model of Ursus and his boots are 'cloven" or
      split like a hoof ..is that what the boots looked like in the films?


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      Group: pota Message: 42020 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      That's one thing I've never liked.

      It's not so much that he is wearing sandals (personally if his feet had
      to be exposed, I'd have preferred he was just plain bare-footed), but I
      hate the way they made his feet "human-like". Regular ape shaped feet
      would have been much better, and more accurate!




      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
      >
      Cornelius is wearing sandals on his model!
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      Group: pota Message: 42021 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html

      But would they have been more accurate?

      Given the evolution of apes up to the time of POTA would it not be likely that the shape of their feet changed to match their change in posture and body shape?



       

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      Group: pota Message: 42022 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/8/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      .html
      In a message dated 5/7/2007 10:32:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aboro3085@... writes:
      That's one thing I've never liked.

      It's not so much that he is wearing sandals (personally if his feet had
      to be exposed, I'd have preferred he was just plain bare-footed) , but I
      hate the way they made his feet "human-like" . Regular ape shaped feet
      would have been much better, and more accurate!

      Not to mention it was a pain in the neck to paint! Give me chimp shoes over sandals any day.
      Bruce
       




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      Group: pota Message: 42023 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/8/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      In a word: No.

      Look at the films PLANET, BENEATH, and BATTLE as well as the TV
      series: In all of those examples, the chimpanzees have their "hand
      shaped" ape feet, that did not change, nor would it change.

      BTW, the only reason the apes have a changed body shape is because
      human beings played them. They did what they could at the time they
      were made to change the form, but padding and back pieces can only do
      so much.







      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
      >
      > But would they have been more accurate?
      >
      > Given the evolution of apes up to the time of POTA would it not be
      likely that the shape of their feet changed to match their change in
      posture and body shape?
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      Group: pota Message: 42024 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/8/2007
      Subject: Blu-Ray Review
      .html
      .html



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      Group: pota Message: 42025 From: Mark Date: 5/8/2007
      Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
      .html
      I'll wait for the 'Man Ray' edition.

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
      >
      > _Planet Of The Apes Blu-ray Review - AVREV_
      > (http://www.avrev.com/blu_ray/revs/0507/planet_of_the_apes..html
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      Group: pota Message: 42026 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/8/2007
      Subject: Character Bio's
      .html
      Hi There,

      Can anyone tell me where I can get full character bio's of Virdon,
      Burke, Galen, Zaius and Urko from the TV Series, if they are available.

      Thanks.

      Peter.
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      Group: pota Message: 42027 From: Glen Date: 5/8/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's
      .html
      Peter,

      I would think that if they are available, they'd be on Kass's site,
      https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/ ...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Hi There,
      >
      > Can anyone tell me where I can get full character bio's of Virdon,
      > Burke, Galen, Zaius and Urko from the TV Series, if they are
      available.
      >
      > Thanks.
      >
      > Peter.
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42028 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/8/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply.
      .html
      Hi Glen,

      Yes thanks, but I've already seen Kass' stuff, but I was hoping to
      have more info on the characters, more substance.

      So if anyone else has any clues or surgestions, please let me know.

      Thanks.

      Peter.


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
      >
      > Peter,
      >
      > I would think that if they are available, they'd be on Kass's
      site,
      > https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/ ...
      >
      > G
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi There,
      > >
      > > Can anyone tell me where I can get full character bio's of
      Virdon,
      > > Burke, Galen, Zaius and Urko from the TV Series, if they are
      > available.
      > >
      > > Thanks.
      > >
      > > Peter.
      > >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42029 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Mighty World of Marvel issue 241
      .html
      Issue 241 is now available to download from Hunter's site, and we're back to 2 files. We're still following the Terror storyline, and some old friends of Jason and Alexander return in this issue.
       
       
      Thanks,
      Greg
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      Group: pota Message: 42030 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
      .html
      .html
      In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:15:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rkid67@... writes:
      I'll wait for the 'Man Ray' edition.
      I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.
      Probably about Manta Rays or The Blue Man Group.
      It may take some sifting to find it.  But I don't mind
      panning for gold.  It's good right?  Well worth the dig?
       




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      Group: pota Message: 42031 From: James Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply.
      .html

      Peter,

      You may want to take a look at Mark's Central City Archive: http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm. It has a lot of great stuff on the TV series.

       


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Glen,
      >
      > Yes thanks, but I've already seen Kass' stuff, but I was hoping to
      > have more info on the characters, more substance.
      >
      > So if anyone else has any clues or surgestions, please let me know.
      >
      > Thanks.
      >
      > Peter.
      >
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" HotScheetz@ wrote:
      > >
      > > Peter,
      > >
      > > I would think that if they are available, they'd be on Kass's
      > site,
      > > https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/ ...
      > >
      > > G
      > >
      > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hi There,
      > > >
      > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get full character bio's of
      > Virdon,
      > > > Burke, Galen, Zaius and Urko from the TV Series, if they are
      > > available.
      > > >
      > > > Thanks.
      > > >
      > > > Peter.
      > > >
      > >
      >

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      Group: pota Message: 42032 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: L.A.Fire
      .html
      for anyone in Los Angeles....

      Is the fire threatening Griffith Observatory anywhere
      close to POTA film sites?? Am planning to visit them
      all in August!

      Tim

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      Group: pota Message: 42033 From: R E Zuleta Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
      .html
      This maybe out of topic, but, in regards to the APE evolution over an
      extended period of time (whether hundreds or thousands of years),
      I've always assumed that apes would still be walking around with
      arched backs, and supporting their weight with their arms and fists,
      kinda like most mountain gorillas. Not walking bi-pedal, like man ...
      unless they were geneticaly enginered - or cloned - that way.

      And second, did any else remember hearing, or reading that at one
      time, or point, during pre-production of "2001's POTA" they briefly
      considered using 'CGI' apes, perhaps to make them appear more
      realistic as animals, and not man in suits.

      RE Zuleta

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
      >
      > But would they have been more accurate?
      >
      > Given the evolution of apes up to the time of POTA would it not be
      likely
      > that the shape of their feet changed to match their change in
      posture and
      > body shape?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The contents of this e-mail are confidential. If you have received
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      Limited.
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      Group: pota Message: 42034 From: Glen Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: L.A.Fire
      .html
      Tim,

      No, they're some twenty-five miles (forty kilometers) away from each
      other...The only location POTA connected that is threatened, is the LA
      Zoo...

      G

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > for anyone in Los Angeles....
      >
      > Is the fire threatening Griffith Observatory anywhere
      > close to POTA film sites?? Am planning to visit them
      > all in August!
      >
      > Tim
      >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42035 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
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      In a message dated 5/9/2007 10:21:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
      In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:15:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rkid67@yahoo. com writes:
      I'll wait for the 'Man Ray' edition.
      I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.
      Probably about Manta Rays or The Blue Man Group.
      It may take some sifting to find it.  But I don't mind
      panning for gold.  It's good right?  Well worth the dig?
       


      Man Ray is the enemy of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy on the Spongebob Squarepants show.
       
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      Group: pota Message: 42036 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Is Fox nuts or what?
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      Its another point of academic debate.  You can either immerse yourself in the POTA mythology and attempt to rationalise the changes, or you can just accept that an actor in an ape suit is never going to look like a chimpanzee.


      I think that one of the (few) strong points of the 2001 version was how they made some of the apes appear more ape like in their movement and posture.

       


      "R E Zuleta" <re_zuleta@...>
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      This maybe out of topic, but, in regards to the APE evolution over an
      extended period of time (whether hundreds or thousands of years),
      I've always assumed that apes would still be walking around with
      arched backs, and supporting their weight with their arms and fists,
      kinda like most mountain gorillas. Not walking bi-pedal, like man ...
      unless they were geneticaly enginered - or cloned - that way.

      And second, did any else remember hearing, or reading that at one
      time, or point, during pre-production of "2001's POTA" they briefly
      considered using 'CGI' apes, perhaps to make them appear more
      realistic as animals, and not man in suits.

      RE Zuleta

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, paul_mannering@... wrote:
      >
      > But would they have been more accurate?
      >
      > Given the evolution of apes up to the time of POTA would it not be
      likely
      > that the shape of their feet changed to match their change in
      posture and
      > body shape?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >  
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      Group: pota Message: 42037 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 5/9/2007
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      Crabbypatties...  I missed that.  I thought it was a reference to Blue Man Group....

       


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      In a message dated 5/9/2007 10:21:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
      In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:15:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rkid67@... writes:
      I'll wait for the 'Man Ray' edition.
      I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.
      Probably about Manta Rays or The Blue Man Group.
      It may take some sifting to find it.  But I don't mind
      panning for gold.  It's good right?  Well worth the dig?
       


      Man Ray is the enemy of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy on the Spongebob Squarepants show.
       
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      Group: pota Message: 42038 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#2.
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      Hi James,

      Yes, I know about the website and I,ve looked at his material too.

      But I still want more Information.

      So I need information/websites I don't know about.

      Regards.

      Peter.

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Peter,
      >
      > You may want to take a look at Mark's Central City Archive:
      > http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm
      > <http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm> . It has a lot of
      great
      > stuff on the TV series.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi Glen,
      > >
      > > Yes thanks, but I've already seen Kass' stuff, but I was hoping
      to
      > > have more info on the characters, more substance.
      > >
      > > So if anyone else has any clues or surgestions, please let me
      know.
      > >
      > > Thanks.
      > >
      > > Peter.
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" HotScheetz@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Peter,
      > > >
      > > > I would think that if they are available, they'd be on Kass's
      > > site,
      > > > https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/ ...
      > > >
      > > > G
      > > >
      > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63"
      <peter_karsten63@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Hi There,
      > > > >
      > > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get full character bio's of
      > > Virdon,
      > > > > Burke, Galen, Zaius and Urko from the TV Series, if they are
      > > > available.
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks.
      > > > >
      > > > > Peter.
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42039 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#2.
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      > Yes, I know about the website and I,ve looked at his material too.

      > But I still want more Information.

      It's not like the characters were that fleshed out.... I'd recommend
      you watch the series. Everything there is to know about the
      characters can be found there.
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      Group: pota Message: 42040 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#3.
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      Hi Hunter,

      This is true.

      And I am surprised that after all these years that there are no
      character bio's, considering how big the POTA fandom is.

      We can discuss everything else but the actual characters themselves,
      why is that?

      In any case, it looks like this is an area that needs to be explored.

      Thanks for your input.

      Peter.

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
      >
      > > Yes, I know about the website and I,ve looked at his material too.
      >
      > > But I still want more Information.
      >
      > It's not like the characters were that fleshed out.... I'd recommend
      > you watch the series. Everything there is to know about the
      > characters can be found there.
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42041 From: aboro3085 Date: 5/9/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#2.
      .html
      Exactly what are you searching for?

      Other than Mark's TV series info, there IS nothing "officially"
      released pertaining to these characters. If anything does exist, it'd
      all be fan-based anyhow, so it'd still be unofficial.

      The novels (and bits of the TV series) mention that Burke is from New
      Jersey, and Virdon is from Texas. There is no background on the apes.

      If you're good at writing things, you might as well just write your
      own bio's based on things you've read on the various sights, and seen
      in the TV show itself.





      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Hi James,
      >
      > Yes, I know about the website and I,ve looked at his material too.
      >
      > But I still want more Information.
      >
      > So I need information/websites I don't know about.
      >
      > Regards.
      >
      > Peter.
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > Peter,
      > >
      > > You may want to take a look at Mark's Central City Archive:
      > > http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm
      > > <http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm> . It has a lot
      of
      > great
      > > stuff on the TV series.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hi Glen,
      > > >
      > > > Yes thanks, but I've already seen Kass' stuff, but I was hoping
      > to
      > > > have more info on the characters, more substance.
      > > >
      > > > So if anyone else has any clues or surgestions, please let me
      > know.
      > > >
      > > > Thanks.
      > > >
      > > > Peter.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" HotScheetz@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Peter,
      > > > >
      > > > > I would think that if they are available, they'd be on Kass's
      > > > site,
      > > > > https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/ ...
      > > > >
      > > > > G
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63"
      > <peter_karsten63@>
      > > > > wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Hi There,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get full character bio's of
      > > > Virdon,
      > > > > > Burke, Galen, Zaius and Urko from the TV Series, if they are
      > > > > available.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Thanks.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Peter.
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42042 From: peter_karsten63 Date: 5/10/2007
      Subject: Re: Character Bio's.Reply#4
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      Hi aboro3085,

      I thought there might be charscter bio's then the ones already known.

      I was just interested to see if there were more info out there
      pertaining to the charcters of the TV Series.

      And quite frankly, I don't like your attitude, and that's putting it
      nicely.

      Regards.

      Peter.



      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
      >
      > Exactly what are you searching for?
      >
      > Other than Mark's TV series info, there IS nothing "officially"
      > released pertaining to these characters. If anything does exist,
      it'd
      > all be fan-based anyhow, so it'd still be unofficial.
      >
      > The novels (and bits of the TV series) mention that Burke is from
      New
      > Jersey, and Virdon is from Texas. There is no background on the
      apes.
      >
      > If you're good at writing things, you might as well just write
      your
      > own bio's based on things you've read on the various sights, and
      seen
      > in the TV show itself.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi James,
      > >
      > > Yes, I know about the website and I,ve looked at his material
      too.
      > >
      > > But I still want more Information.
      > >
      > > So I need information/websites I don't know about.
      > >
      > > Regards.
      > >
      > > Peter.
      > >
      > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Peter,
      > > >
      > > > You may want to take a look at Mark's Central City Archive:
      > > > http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm
      > > > <http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm> . It has a
      lot
      > of
      > > great
      > > > stuff on the TV series.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63"
      <peter_karsten63@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Hi Glen,
      > > > >
      > > > > Yes thanks, but I've already seen Kass' stuff, but I was
      hoping
      > > to
      > > > > have more info on the characters, more substance.
      > > > >
      > > > > So if anyone else has any clues or surgestions, please let
      me
      > > know.
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks.
      > > > >
      > > > > Peter.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" HotScheetz@ wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Peter,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I would think that if they are available, they'd be on
      Kass's
      > > > > site,
      > > > > > https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/ ...
      > > > > >
      > > > > > G
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63"
      > > <peter_karsten63@>
      > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Hi There,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get full character bio's
      of
      > > > > Virdon,
      > > > > > > Burke, Galen, Zaius and Urko from the TV Series, if they
      are
      > > > > > available.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Thanks.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Peter.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42043 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/10/2007
      Subject: Re: Blu-Ray Review
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      In a message dated 5/9/2007 4:47:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stenosaurus@... writes:
      Man Ray is the enemy of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy on the Spongebob Squarepants show.
       
      I see.
      I have seen Sponge Bob.
      Just not those episodes.
       
       




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