The first ten had glued spines, which are very difficult to open wide
safely.Issue 11 on were stapled.One odd item is that the US version
of #25 has a different opening splash page on page 3 which is
possibly the very first published art by Marshall Rogers of Batman
fame, who very sadly died far too young recently.It's not in the UK
issue (#115).John, Scrolls.

>
> > Hunter, any plans to upload the Curtis POTA mags on your site?

Would love to

> > see photo features of issue 4, 28, 29, but 29 selling for

rediculous amounts

> > due to its low circulation.
>
> One reason Greg opted to do the UK versions was that they were
> saddle-stitched (staples in the middle), whereas the Curtis

magazines,

> at least in the beginning, were glued. That meant that the UK
> magazines could be scanned without destroying the binding and the

U.S.

> magazines couldn't be (not easily, anyway).
>
> If I have time, I'll try to scan the features from issues 28 and 29
> soon. Those are saddle-stitched and can be safely scanned. If
> someone else has the time and the issues, I can host them....
>
> Hunter
>

Thank you Hunter, fingers crossed.

Rob

>From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [POTA] The forgotten city of planet of the apes
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:56:09 -0500 (CDT)
>
> > Hunter, any plans to upload the Curtis POTA mags on your site? Would
>love to
> > see photo features of issue 4, 28, 29, but 29 selling for rediculous
>amounts
> > due to its low circulation.
>
>One reason Greg opted to do the UK versions was that they were
>saddle-stitched (staples in the middle), whereas the Curtis magazines,
>at least in the beginning, were glued. That meant that the UK
>magazines could be scanned without destroying the binding and the U.S.
>magazines couldn't be (not easily, anyway).
>
>If I have time, I'll try to scan the features from issues 28 and 29
>soon. Those are saddle-stitched and can be safely scanned. If
>someone else has the time and the issues, I can host them....
>
>Hunter

_____

Just managed to bag a copy on ebay with a bunch of 10 others, sadly no
28 or 4.

Rob

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----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Reading

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:16 PM

Subject: [POTA] Curtis POTA 29

Just managed to bag a copy on ebay with a bunch of 10 others, sadly no
28 or 4.

Rob

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I have a scan of 4 in cbr format.  It may be too big for most file shraing services, let me take a look at the file

Rob Reading <readingrob@...> wrote:

Just managed to bag a copy on ebay with a bunch of 10 others, sadly no
28 or 4.

Rob

---

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Starring in this Episode are:
Colin Snow as Gorilla Lt #1a and various Gorillas
Mark Kalita as Cornelius and the Lawgiver
Bill Hollweg as Taylor and various Gorilla's and Gathered Apes
Natasha Lathrop as Zira
Dave Sobkowiak as Dr Milo, Various Gorillas, Gorilla Lt #1b, and Gathered Apes
Paul Mannering as General Ursus and various Gathered Apes
MJ, and her sons: Michael and Mason Cogburn as Gathered Apes
Robin Carlisle as Chimpanzee Mother in the Temple and various Gathered Apes
Draven Schoberg- Chimpanzee Child in the Market <Bill's Grandaughter>
Caira Greenfield- Chimpanzee Child in the Temple <Bill's Grandaughter>

And We have some SPECIAL GUEST voice actors in tonights episode!

From the POTAyahoo group, who ROCK!
Glen Witco Scheetz as the Minister in the Temple
Patti Tusunka Witco as the Mother Chimpanzee in the Market
Dustin Anthony Scheetz as Gorilla Lt. 2

Check out Glen's AWESOME art at the POTAyahoo group!
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/?yguid=273809559

And our Second group of Special Guests comes from:

THE SONIC SOCIETY!
who featured our Planet of the Apes Audio Drama as well as our Logan's Run Audio Drama in the month of MAY!
The SOCIETY ROX!!!!
Check them out at http://www.sonicsociety.org

Jack Ward and Shannon Hilche played various gathered Apes through out this episode!
You BOTH ROCK!!
http://sonic.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2007&post_month=05

I would also like to thank James of The Lessons From the Lawgiver for tonight's AWESOME LESSON
- Written by Elaine N. Robinson
(This has to be one of my top 3 Fave Lessons yet!!!)

And don't forget to listen to the WHOLE Audio
Jack Ward of the Sonic Society Kindly gave me something special to add to this episode in light of the tardiness of the release. Thank you for bearing with me.

To all who are a part of this production or one of the listeners- I thank you and am humbled by your support of this audio dream of mine! Thank You!

Bill Hollweg- Writer/Producer of POTA

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and

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In Entertainment Weekly's "25 Worst Sequels" list, "Battle for the
PotA" comes in at number 18:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041669_20041686_1169126_9,00.html"

Hunter

Which is totally wrong and unfair.Battle is a really good movie and any
film would be in the shadow of Planet (eclipse of Planet?!). I love
Battle and Entertainment Weekly can go shag itself. John, Scrolls.

>
> In Entertainment Weekly's "25 Worst Sequels" list, "Battle for the
> PotA" comes in at number 18:
>
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041669_20041686_1169126_9,00.html"
>
> Hunter
>

At 04:16 AM 6/29/2007, you wrote:

>3b. Re: EW ranks "Battle"
>Posted by: "shanter2002" john@... shanter2002
>Which is totally wrong and unfair.Battle is a really good movie and any
>film would be in the shadow of Planet (eclipse of Planet?!). I love
>Battle and Entertainment Weekly can go shag itself. John, Scrolls.
> > In Entertainment Weekly's "25 Worst Sequels" list, "Battle for the
> > PotA" comes in at number 18:
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041669_20041686_1169126_9,00.html"

Wow. I can't believe that made the list. Given all the really,
really bad sequels out theres, how could any of the POTA movies come
close? There are hundreds of sequels worse than that Battle--which I
happen to think is a great film.

I agree. Sometimes those list articles are just
looking for things.
--- shanter2002 <john@...> wrote:

> Which is totally wrong and unfair.Battle is a really
> good movie and any
> film would be in the shadow of Planet (eclipse of
> Planet?!). I love
> Battle and Entertainment Weekly can go shag itself.
> John, Scrolls.
> >
> > In Entertainment Weekly's "25 Worst Sequels" list,
> "Battle for the
> > PotA" comes in at number 18:
> >
> >
>

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041669_20041686_1169126_9,00.html"

> >
> > Hunter
> >
>
>
>

________________________

Is there any contact address at EW I could write to, suggesting they
find a job they can actually do? John.

>
> I agree. Sometimes those list articles are just
> looking for things.
> --- shanter2002 <john@...> wrote:
>
> > Which is totally wrong and unfair.Battle is a really
> > good movie and any
> > film would be in the shadow of Planet (eclipse of
> > Planet?!). I love
> > Battle and Entertainment Weekly can go shag itself.
> > John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > In Entertainment Weekly's "25 Worst Sequels" list,
> > "Battle for the
> > > PotA" comes in at number 18:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041669_20041686_1169126_9,00.html"
> > >
> > > Hunter
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

__________

What's interesting is they stuck almost exclusively to major films series. The real worst sequels are those that are part of really bad series like Vice Squad 17 and Return of the Living Dead 8. What the list should be called is the 25 worst sequels to good films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Which is totally wrong and unfair.Battle is a really good movie and any
> film would be in the shadow of Planet (eclipse of Planet?!). I love
> Battle and Entertainment Weekly can go shag itself. John, Scrolls.
> >
> > In Entertainment Weekly's "25 Worst Sequels" list, "Battle for the
> > PotA" comes in at number 18:
> >
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20041669_20041686_1169126_9,00.htmlbr>> >
> > Hunter
> >
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/27/2007 8:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

In the new Die Hard film famous POTA fan Kevin Smith plays a computer hacker who helps Bruce Willis. On the back wall of his "Command Center" is a poster of Ursus. He also has a cutout of Boba Fett.

For me, this makes him a BTPOTA fan!

Should have been Dr. Zaius!

-- Rory

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/29/2007 4:07:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, john@... writes:

Which is totally wrong and unfair.Battle is a really good movie and any
film would be in the shadow of Planet (eclipse of Planet?!). I love
Battle and Entertainment Weekly can go shag itself. John, Scrolls.

I'm going to go shag myself, because I think BATTLE is a terrible movie.

-- Rory

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/29/2007 9:00:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

Wow. I can't believe that made the list. Given all the really,
really bad sequels out theres, how could any of the POTA movies come
close? There are hundreds of sequels worse than that Battle--which I
happen to think is a great film.

A great film?!!!  BATTLE's budget is so low it looks as if it were shot at the local Circle K!

-- Rory

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/29/2007 12:00:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

What's interesting is they stuck almost exclusively to major films series. The real worst sequels are those that are part of really bad series like Vice Squad 17 and Return of the Living Dead 8. What the list should be called is the 25 worst sequels to good films.

James, are you saying that is original PLANET OF THE APES is merely a "good" film?!!!   Somebody here calls BATTLE great, but PLANET is just "good."  What kind of upside down civilization are you people from?!!!!

-- Rory

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This is from the first page of their list:

Hence our list of the 25 Worst Sequels Ever Made. But before we kick
off the countdown of caca, a quick word on our criteria. First, we
looked at how steep a sequel's drop-off in quality was from the
original. Then we weighed how utterly unnecessary the sequel was.
You're probably thinking, "Yeah, but some sequels are so bad they're
good!" Those aren't on this list. These movies are so absolutely bad
their badness can be measured only in Kelvin degrees. Finally, we
factored in a certain intangible stankitude a sort of je ne sais crap
that makes a film so god-awful you wish there were a cinematic Hague
where it could be tried. Until such a court is convened, however, all
we can do is offer our testimony against these 25 offenders. We hope
you have more fun reading about them than we had watching them.

EW's offices are located in the Time-Life building on 6th Avenue in New York, right across the street from Radio City Music Hall.

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Is there any contact address at EW I could write to, suggesting they
> find a job they can actually do? John.
> >

Leo Here;
So, anybody know where there is some video clips of it? or any pics,
links etc?



Gothic Women are Beautiful!

There are serveral video clips from the TV series available on the group website in the Videos section, on the Greatest Moments page. For anyone who has a problem accessing the group website the clips are also available on the mirror site: http://www.freewebs.com/planetoftheapes/

 

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Leo Seddon" <bsherwood@...> wrote:
>
> Leo Here;
> So, anybody know where there is some video clips of it? or any pics,
> links etc?
>
>
>
> Gothic Women are Beautiful!
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

> James, are you saying that is original PLANET OF THE APES is merely a "good"
> film?!!!

No, I'm saying Conquest is merely a good film. Silly Rory;-)

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/29/2007 1:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

This is from the first page of their list:

Hence our list of the 25 Worst Sequels Ever Made. But before we kick
off the countdown of caca, a quick word on our criteria. First, we
looked at how steep a sequel's drop-off in quality was from the
original. Then we weighed how utterly unnecessary the sequel was.

A steep drop-off and "utterly unnecessary."  That's BATTLE for 'ya!  They should have stopped at CONQUEST.

-- Rory

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/29/2007 1:47:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, bsherwood@... writes:

Leo Here;
So, anybody know where there is some video clips of it? or any pics,
links etc?

It's the TV show!!!  Is this a joke or something?

-- Rory

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On 6/29/07, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

In a message dated 6/29/2007 1:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

This is from the first page of their list:

Hence our list of the 25 Worst Sequels Ever Made. But before we kick
off the countdown of caca, a quick word on our criteria. First, we
looked at how steep a sequel's drop-off in quality was from the
original. Then we weighed how utterly unnecessary the sequel was.

A steep drop-off and "utterly unnecessary."  That's BATTLE for 'ya!  They should have stopped at CONQUEST.

-- Rory


**************************************
See what's free at http://www.aol .com.

Guys, what does your wife or girlfriend think of your fascination with Planet of the Apes? I
want quotes! Ladies, feel free to chime in.

My wife rolls her eyes a bit- lol Especially with all the hours I spend mixing my audio drama....But she is happy to see me happy- I think-LOL

On 6/29/07, rkid67 <rkid67@...> wrote:

Guys, what does your wife or girlfriend think of your fascination with Planet of the Apes? I
want quotes! Ladies, feel free to chime in.

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
     Will Slay...
        Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.com
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and

Guys, what does your wife or girlfriend think of your fascination with Planet of the Apes? I
want quotes! Ladies, feel free to chime in.

---

Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate
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In a message dated 6/29/2007 3:47:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rkid67@... writes:

Guys, what does your wife or girlfriend think of your fascination with Planet of the Apes? I
want quotes! Ladies, feel free to chime in.

My wife HATES the Apes! She's my age so she saw one of the films (she doesn't remember which one) in the movies with her Dad and had nightmares for days!

 

Bruce

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I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that opinion before, and I
don't think I know of anyone that would agree with you....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Majer" <tallulah.stephen@...>
wrote:

>

...Conquest--which is much worse than Battle

> as far as sequels go.
> Stephen
>
>

On 6/29/07, drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:

I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that opinion before, and I
don't think I know of anyone that would agree with you....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Majer" <tallulah.stephen@...>
wrote:
>
...Conquest--which is much worse than Battle
> as far as sequels go.
> Stephen
>
>

Maybe so but everyone here is entitled to their own opinion.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that opinion before, and I
> don't think I know of anyone that would agree with you....
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Majer" tallulah.stephen@
> wrote:
> >
> ...Conquest--which is much worse than Battle
> > as far as sequels go.
> > Stephen
> >
> >
>

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Does anybody know a reliable person who makes top quality custom Mego's for a fair price?

 

Custom super heroes, Apes, whatever.

 

Thanks

 

T

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rkid67" <rkid67@...> wrote:

>
> Guys, what does your wife or girlfriend think of your fascination

with Planet of the Apes? I want quotes! Ladies, feel free to chime in.

>

She-who-must-be-obeyed views my affection for APES as some kind of
good-natured fetish/affliction.

That said, although Mrs B doesn't 'get it' she's never once
discouraged my interest or questioned the time and money I've spent.
Earlier this year, at the NEC event, she was very, very supportive and
without doubt I had a better time because of her.

Dave

I don't know if this is any real quote, but I was at a
mall in Baltimore and I found one of the Mediacom
figures that I did not have and I bought it (on sale!)
I said "Look babe, I have been trying to find this
ape for a while." and her response was "I have much
more important things on my mind than that ape!"
She failed to see the significance of its importance.

--- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rkid67" <rkid67@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys, what does your wife or girlfriend think of
> your fascination
> with Planet of the Apes? I want quotes! Ladies,
> feel free to chime in.
> >
>
> She-who-must-be-obeyed views my affection for APES
> as some kind of
> good-natured fetish/affliction.
>
> That said, although Mrs B doesn't 'get it' she's
> never once
> discouraged my interest or questioned the time and
> money I've spent.
> Earlier this year, at the NEC event, she was very,
> very supportive and
> without doubt I had a better time because of her.
>
> Dave
>
>

________________________

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I would
definitely not agree with that statement either.
--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
> Maybe so but everyone here is entitled to their own
> opinion.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein"
> <drhasslein@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that
> opinion before, and
> I
> > don't think I know of anyone that would agree with
> you....
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Majer"
> tallulah.stephen@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > ...Conquest--which is much worse than Battle
> > > as far as sequels go.
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

________________________

No way! Breck was my all time favorite character, but
I think Kolp and Mendez rocked in the movie. "...and
you will learn again what it is to have a master."
--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/29/2007 1:42:37 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> goathunter@... writes:
>
>
> > This is from the first page of their list:
> >
> > Hence our list of the 25 Worst Sequels Ever Made.
> But before we kick
> > off the countdown of caca, a quick word on our
> criteria. First, we
> > looked at how steep a sequel's drop-off in quality
> was from the
> > original. Then we weighed how utterly unnecessary
> the sequel was.
> >
>
> A steep drop-off and "utterly unnecessary." That's
> BATTLE for 'ya! They
> should have stopped at CONQUEST.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com
>

________________________

Of course, THEY are a bunch of ignorants who deserve nothing. Their
magazine is pathetic and deserves the trash-can. That's for sure.

'BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES' is a very compelling movie which
manages to "reprise" the FEELING and the VIBE of the first two
movies. While the excellent ESCAPE and the superb CONQUEST were
divergences (not only "fictional", but even "cinematic"), BATTLE
steams towards the strict and usual POTA visuals, adding new elements
in the mix (that Mad Max-esque factor, you know, long time before the
Mad Max series). The cinematography is great, and there's
that "twisted" and menacing groove that the early two POTA movies and
the TV series retained.

BATTLE is a marvellous action movie with some poetic touches, and
features a great screenplay and superb performances from everyone
involved.

ESCAPE is my least favourite entry out of the saga, still I consider
it as being an absolute masterpiece from every standpoint (After
rewatching the movie again last night, I must say THIS about the make-
up: it's always that same GENIUS make-up. In some scenes it is just
INCREDIBLE!
It was just my previous DVD copy which sucked. Worst video transfer
ever, and that affected the cinematography. I just watched another
DVD rendition last night, and it worked !!!!!!!!!!!!).


T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe so but everyone here is entitled to their own opinion.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that opinion before,
and
> I
> > don't think I know of anyone that would agree with you....
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Majer" tallulah.stephen@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > ...Conquest--which is much worse than Battle
> > > as far as sequels go.
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> >
>

At 03:24 AM 6/30/2007, you wrote:

>Posted by: "Haristas@..." Haristas@... haristas
>A great film?!!! BATTLE's budget is so low it looks as if it were shot at
>the local Circle K!

LOL -- True, it's not exactly big-budget...but that's never been a
criteria for my enjoyment of a film. Clerks practically WAS shot at
a local Circle K, and that movie is great. On the other hand, nearly
every Roland Emerich film was filmed on a huge budget, and nearly all
of them are embarrassingly bad. For me, the great thing about Battle
isn't how big the scope is, so much as that, like Conquest, it
captures the essence of the simian society we see in the future-era
films. Caesar, Aldo, Mandemus and Virgil are all among my favorite
characters from the series. Granted, Kolp's a little over the top,
and the guy who plays Mendez the First sometimes seems like he's
sleeping while reading his lines, but I consider Battle one of the
better sequels.

>Posted by: "James" JamesA1102@... jamesa1102
>What's interesting is they stuck almost exclusively to major films
>series. The real worst sequels are those that are part of really bad
>series like Vice Squad 17 and Return of the Living Dead 8. What the list
>should be called is the 25 worst sequels to good films.

Exactly, that's what made no sense to me. Jason Takes
Manhattan? Jason X? Halloween 4, 5, 6 and 8? Any of the Amityville
Horror sequels? You could make a "worst 200 films" list with just
bad horror sequels, and Battle wouldn't be anywhere near the list.

>Re: EW ranks "Battle"
>Posted by: "Stephen Majer" tallulah.stephen@... smajer64
>Actually, they should have skipped Conquest--which is much worse than Battle
>as far as sequels go.

A friend of mine feels the same way. I'll never agree, as I think
the revolution makes for an amazing film, but I do understand some of
his reasons -- the absurdly simple training they go through ("Do!")
that somehow conveys multiple meanings, for instance. Still, I love
both films.

>Posted by: "drhasslein" drhasslein@... drhasslein
>I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that opinion before, and I
>don't think I know of anyone that would agree with you....

Which does not invalidate the opinion.

Fine, as soon as I find a jiffy bag, a bowel movement will wing its way
across the Atlantic--anybody else want to contribute? John, Scrolls.

>
>
> EW's offices are located in the Time-Life building on 6th Avenue in

New

> York, right across the street from Radio City Music Hall.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any contact address at EW I could write to, suggesting they
> > find a job they can actually do? John.
> > >
>

JUST FOR A MOMENT, drop the circular loop scenario you believe in.
ONE MOMENT! In order to help me develop my scenario in a better way...


In your opinion,

In the alternative timeline scenario, what's the "proper" integration
of the TV SERIES? Because I feel there's a major fault here.

I mean, we know for sure that the TV series might belong to APELINE
ONE. My doubt is the fact that VIRDON & BURKE departed from Earth
AFTER Taylor/Brent displacement in time, and they arrived on the
Planet of the Apes BEFORE Taylor/Brent. It's a terrible and dangerous
discrepancy.
I mean, maybe it's safe to assume that Virdon and Burke - and their
predecessors (those who departed from Earth in 1970 A.D. and arrived
on POTA in 3075 A.D. or so) - SLIGHTLY affected the history. They
killed people, moved some situations, interacted with the surrounding
world. Thus basically, did Taylor and Brent arrive on a Planet of the
Apes whose history had been ALREADY re-arranged by Virdon and Burke
and their predecessors somehow?

I can't believe that Virdon and Burke, or they predecessors, created
a third or a fourth Apeline or God-knows-what!

And how could this be correctly "integrated" into the double-crossed
timelines scenario? Maybe had
Taylor/Brent/Virdon&Burke/predecessors's timeline
ALREADY "accomodated" the changes in its history with no major
consequences - without originating diverged universes of some sort -
wherever Cornelius and Zira's arrival so EARLY in the timeline
changed EVERYTHING and created a brand-new diverged universe: APELINE
TWO

What do you think about it?

T.C.

Why not send them an e-mail, or go to their website and go to the
comment page and give them a piece of your mind. Here's their website:
www.entertainmentweekly.com




-----Original Message-----
From: shanter2002 <john@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:28 pm
Subject: [POTA] Re: EW ranks "Battle"























Fine, as soon as I find a jiffy bag, a bowel movement will
wing its way

across the Atlantic--anybody else want to contribute? John, Scrolls.

>

>

> EW's offices are located in the Time-Life building on 6th Avenue in

New

> York, right across the street from Radio City Music Hall.

>

>

>

>

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:

> >

> > Is there any contact address at EW I could write to, suggesting they

> > find a job they can actually do? John.

> > >

>

____________

Here in Italy, from 1.50 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., the highly popular
channel 'ITALIA UNO' (one of the main ones) will air PLANET and BATTLE.
Uh, hope they will win some new fans among the younger generations.


T.C.

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I also thought that BATTLE was okay, to some extent.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 06/29/07 12:09:13 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] Re: EW ranks "Battle"   In a message dated 6/29/2007 4:07:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, john@johnroche6. wanadoo.co. uk writes: Which is totally wrong and unfair.Battle is a really good movie and any film would be in the shadow of Planet (eclipse of Planet?!). I love Battle and Entertainment Weekly can go shag itself. John, Scrolls. I'm going to go shag myself, because I think BATTLE is a terrible movie. -- Rory ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com.

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My wife thought that the movies were okay...she thought that BENEATH had a lot of goofs in it, but she liked the idea that I was so fascinated with the flicks.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 06/29/07 14:47:28 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] Question for the lads   Guys, what does your wife or girlfriend think of your fascination with Planet of the Apes? I want quotes! Ladies, feel free to chime in.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/30/2007 9:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Here in Italy, from 1.50 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., the highly popular
channel 'ITALIA UNO' (one of the main ones) will air PLANET and BATTLE.
Uh, hope they will win some new fans among the younger generations.

T.C.

They should call it, in Italian, "The Apes Best and Worst."

-- Rory

**************************************
See what's free at http://www.aol.com.<.html <.html

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> JUST FOR A MOMENT, drop the circular loop scenario you believe in.
> ONE MOMENT! In order to help me develop my scenario in a better way...
>
>
> In your opinion,
>
> In the alternative timeline scenario, what's the "proper" integration
> of the TV SERIES? Because I feel there's a major fault here.

Because the TV series takes place on the West Coast and about 1,000 years from any of the films it really doesn't interfer with the Film series continuity. So it can be included in the film's timeline or not. It really makes no difference.
>
> I mean, we know for sure that the TV series might belong to APELINE
> ONE. My doubt is the fact that VIRDON & BURKE departed from Earth
> AFTER Taylor/Brent displacement in time, and they arrived on the
> Planet of the Apes BEFORE Taylor/Brent. It's a terrible and dangerous
> discrepancy.

Virdon & Burke were taking a much shorter trip than Taylor. They only went to alfa centauri, which is very close to Earth. Taylor (and later Brent) were travelling to a much farther star. It makes sense that a round trip would take much less time for Virdon & Burke than for Taylor. So even though they left later, they could return sooner.

> I mean, maybe it's safe to assume that Virdon and Burke - and their
> predecessors (those who departed from Earth in 1970 A.D. and arrived
> on POTA in 3075 A.D. or so) - SLIGHTLY affected the history. They
> killed people, moved some situations, interacted with the surrounding
> world. Thus basically, did Taylor and Brent arrive on a Planet of the
> Apes whose history had been ALREADY re-arranged by Virdon and Burke
> and their predecessors somehow?

I wouldn't say re-arranged. Virdon and Burke's adventures were merely part of the history of the world that Taylor discovered.

>
> I can't believe that Virdon and Burke, or they predecessors, created
> a third or a fourth Apeline or God-knows-what!
>
> And how could this be correctly "integrated" into the double-crossed
> timelines scenario? Maybe had
> Taylor/Brent/Virdon&Burke/predecessors's timeline
> ALREADY "accomodated" the changes in its history with no major
> consequences - without originating diverged universes of some sort -
> wherever Cornelius and Zira's arrival so EARLY in the timeline
> changed EVERYTHING and created a brand-new diverged universe: APELINE
> TWO
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> T.C.
>
I'm really not sure what the problem is. Maybe you're overthinking this.

Ever notice that the Apes films go from worst to best in alphabetical order. Just take a look when they are listed alphabetically:

BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES

BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES

CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES

ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES

PLANET OF THE APES

Sort of like the STAR TREK even numbered films legend.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@... writes:
>
>
> > Here in Italy, from 1.50 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., the highly popular
> > channel 'ITALIA UNO' (one of the main ones) will air PLANET and BATTLE.
> > Uh, hope they will win some new fans among the younger generations.
> >
> > T.C.
> >
>
> They should call it, in Italian, "The Apes Best and Worst."
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>

That's your opinion, Jimmy.

Mine is:

1- ESCAPE (still, a masterpiece)
2- CONQUEST
3- BATTLE
4- BENEATH
5- PLANET

... T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ever notice that the Apes films go from worst to best in
alphabetical
> order. Just take a look when they are listed alphabetically:
>
> BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> PLANET OF THE APES
>
> Sort of like the STAR TREK even numbered films legend.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > apecalypsenow@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > Here in Italy, from 1.50 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., the highly popular
> > > channel 'ITALIA UNO' (one of the main ones) will air PLANET and
> BATTLE.
> > > Uh, hope they will win some new fans among the younger
generations.
> > >
> > > T.C.
> > >
> >
> > They should call it, in Italian, "The Apes Best and Worst."
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> > **************************************
> > See what's free at
> > http://www.aol.com
> >
>

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>>LOL -- True, it's not exactly big-budget.. .but that's never

been a
criteria for my enjoyment of a film. Clerks practically WAS shot at
a local Circle K, and that movie is great. On the other hand, nearly
every Roland Emerich film was filmed on a huge budget, and nearly all
of them are embarrassingly bad. For me, the great thing about Battle
isn't how big the scope is, so much as that, like Conquest, it
captures the essence of the simian society we see in the future-era
films. Caesar, Aldo, Mandemus and Virgil are all among my favorite
characters from the series. Granted, Kolp's a little over the top,
and the guy who plays Mendez the First sometimes seems like he's
sleeping while reading his lines, but I consider Battle one of the
better sequels. <<<.html

Actually I was refering to the order the films are put in by most film reviewers (http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/ddb5490109a79f598625623d0015f1e4/e3983fc23d514ab688256a9a001cc3e3?OpenDocument) with Planet first, Escape second and so on.

My personal order of favorites is:

1. Planet
2. Conquest
3. Beneath
4. Battle
5. Escape

P.S. My name is James. Please address me as such. You will not be warned a second time;-)

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> That's your opinion, Jimmy.
>
> Mine is:
>
> 1- ESCAPE (still, a masterpiece)
> 2- CONQUEST
> 3- BATTLE
> 4- BENEATH
> 5- PLANET
>
> ... T.C.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ever notice that the Apes films go from worst to best in
> alphabetical
> > order. Just take a look when they are listed alphabetically:
> >
> > BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > Sort of like the STAR TREK even numbered films legend.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > apecalypsenow@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here in Italy, from 1.50 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., the highly popular
> > > > channel 'ITALIA UNO' (one of the main ones) will air PLANET and
> > BATTLE.
> > > > Uh, hope they will win some new fans among the younger
> generations.
> > > >
> > > > T.C.
> > > >
> > >
> > > They should call it, in Italian, "The Apes Best and Worst."
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > > **************************************
> > > See what's free at
> > > http://www.aol.com.
> > >
> >
>

Where in my statement did I say he wasn't? I just said that I knew of
no one who shared it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe so but everyone here is entitled to their own opinion.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that opinion before,
and
> I
> > don't think I know of anyone that would agree with you....
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Majer" tallulah.stephen@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > ...Conquest--which is much worse than Battle
> > > as far as sequels go.
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Then you have my apologies for mis-reading your original post.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Where in my statement did I say he wasn't? I just said that I knew of
> no one who shared it.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe so but everyone here is entitled to their own opinion.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think I have ever heard anyone voice that opinion before,
> and
> > I
> > > don't think I know of anyone that would agree with you....
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Majer" tallulah.stephen@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > ...Conquest--which is much worse than Battle
> > > > as far as sequels go.
> > > > Stephen
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

What's going on, James? We used to be friendly each other, in the
past. Did I miss something?

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Actually I was refering to the order the films are put in by most
film
> reviewers
>
(http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/ddb5490109a79f598625623d0
01\
> 5f1e4/e3983fc23d514ab688256a9a001cc3e3?OpenDocument
>
<http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/ddb5490109a79f598625623d0
01\
> 5f1e4/e3983fc23d514ab688256a9a001cc3e3?OpenDocument> ) with Planet
> first, Escape second and so on.
>
> My personal order of favorites is:
>
> 1. Planet
> 2. Conquest
> 3. Beneath
> 4. Battle
> 5. Escape
>
> P.S. My name is James. Please address me as such. You will not be
warned
> a second time;-)
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@> wrote:
> >
> > That's your opinion, Jimmy.
> >
> > Mine is:
> >
> > 1- ESCAPE (still, a masterpiece)
> > 2- CONQUEST
> > 3- BATTLE
> > 4- BENEATH
> > 5- PLANET
> >
> > ... T.C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ever notice that the Apes films go from worst to best in
> > alphabetical
> > > order. Just take a look when they are listed alphabetically:
> > >
> > > BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > >
> > > BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > >
> > > CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > >
> > > ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > >
> > > PLANET OF THE APES
> > >
> > > Sort of like the STAR TREK even numbered films legend.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > apecalypsenow@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Here in Italy, from 1.50 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., the highly
popular
> > > > > channel 'ITALIA UNO' (one of the main ones) will air PLANET
and
> > > BATTLE.
> > > > > Uh, hope they will win some new fans among the younger
> > generations.
> > > > >
> > > > > T.C.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > They should call it, in Italian, "The Apes Best and Worst."
> > > >
> > > > -- Rory
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > **************************************
> > > > See what's free at
> > > > http://www.aol.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yes, you missed the ;-) at the end of my last post.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> What's going on, James? We used to be friendly each other, in the
> past. Did I miss something?
>
> T.C.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Actually I was refering to the order the films are put in by most
> film
> > reviewers
> >
> (http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/ddb5490109a79f598625623d0
> 01\
> > 5f1e4/e3983fc23d514ab688256a9a001cc3e3?OpenDocument
> >
> <http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/ddb5490109a79f598625623d0
> 01\
> > 5f1e4/e3983fc23d514ab688256a9a001cc3e3?OpenDocument> ) with Planet
> > first, Escape second and so on.
> >
> > My personal order of favorites is:
> >
> > 1. Planet
> > 2. Conquest
> > 3. Beneath
> > 4. Battle
> > 5. Escape
> >
> > P.S. My name is James. Please address me as such. You will not be
> warned
> > a second time;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's your opinion, Jimmy.
> > >
> > > Mine is:
> > >
> > > 1- ESCAPE (still, a masterpiece)
> > > 2- CONQUEST
> > > 3- BATTLE
> > > 4- BENEATH
> > > 5- PLANET
> > >
> > > ... T.C.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ever notice that the Apes films go from worst to best in
> > > alphabetical
> > > > order. Just take a look when they are listed alphabetically:
> > > >
> > > > BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > > >
> > > > BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > > >
> > > > CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > > >
> > > > ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES
> > > >
> > > > PLANET OF THE APES
> > > >
> > > > Sort of like the STAR TREK even numbered films legend.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > apecalypsenow@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here in Italy, from 1.50 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., the highly
> popular
> > > > > > channel 'ITALIA UNO' (one of the main ones) will air PLANET
> and
> > > > BATTLE.
> > > > > > Uh, hope they will win some new fans among the younger
> > > generations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > T.C.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They should call it, in Italian, "The Apes Best and Worst."
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Rory
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > **************************************
> > > > > See what's free at
> > > > > http://www.aol.com.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Whats the story behind this fan made " Planet Of The Men"?

 

http://msotis. home.mindspring. com/potmtrlr. wmv

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The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: which movie should have ended the series

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- escape from the planet of the apes, 1 votes, 9.09%
- conquest of the planet of the apes , 0 votes, 0.00%
- fine with battle , 1 votes, 9.09%
- a unmade sixth film, 5 votes, 45.45%
- planet of the apes (the original), 1 votes, 9.09%
- beneath the planet of the apes, 3 votes, 27.27%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- escape from the planet of the apes
- smugster2000@...
- conquest of the planet of the apes
- fine with battle
- vscimone@...
- a unmade sixth film
- bsherwood@...
- pattienscott@...
- bikergator25@...
- apecalypsenow@...
- JamesA1102@...
- planet of the apes (the original)
- dspires501@...
- beneath the planet of the apes
- junglejom@...
- peter_karsten63@...
- bob10o@...


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Unfortunately, Mr. Darden has passed away I believe.
He was also oustanding in 'Back to School' with the
line "I'm trying to teach these here apes how to learn
to read and write." A nice little nod from the
writers.
--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> I have to agree with you on this point Rich.
> Personally, I always try to
> see some things for what they were originally
> intended to be- even if the
> end result is out of all proportion to the intent.
> Case in point: The
> Starlost series back from the 70's. A great idea,
> based on what Science
> Fiction is at it's best (social allegory), and a
> team of writers that
> included the best and brightest of the day. What it
> turned into was a low
> budget, chroma-key heavy series that made shows like
> Dr. Who and The
> Tomorrow People look like they had huge budgets. But
> in all three cases,
> each series still managed to tell (mostly)
> interesting stories which
> allowed you to ignore the special effects (or lack
> thereof). Granted, Dr.
> Who has a much bigger following, but both Starlost
> and Tomorrow People
> still have cult followings. In the case of The
> Starlost- a 30 year old
> series that's barely remembered by most- that fact
> that it did make an
> impression on some viewers says something.
>
> Of the five, BATTLE is my third favorite (BENEATH is
> the first, followed
> by the original). There really are a lot of good
> characters there, and
> any films that has characters exploring ruins is
> usually OK in my book.
> As far as Kolp goes, I always thought that the
> character was written that
> way to accentuate the madness that was slowly
> setting in. The guy who
> played him (Severn Darden) was an old Second City
> veteran and actually
> quite an eccentric (and creative individual from
> what I've read. I'm sure
> he put his own twists in there as well.
>
>
> Chris L
>
>
>
> "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> >>LOL -- True, it's not exactly big-budget...but
> that's never been a
> criteria for my enjoyment of a film. Clerks
> practically WAS shot at
> a local Circle K, and that movie is great. On the
> other hand, nearly
> every Roland Emerich film was filmed on a huge
> budget, and nearly all
> of them are embarrassingly bad. For me, the great
> thing about Battle
> isn't how big the scope is, so much as that, like
> Conquest, it
> captures the essence of the simian society we see in
> the future-era
> films. Caesar, Aldo, Mandemus and Virgil are all
> among my favorite
> characters from the series. Granted, Kolp's a little
> over the top,
> and the guy who plays Mendez the First sometimes
> seems like he's
> sleeping while reading his lines, but I consider
> Battle one of the
> better sequels. <<

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In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his scene was
cut from The Interrogation.However, he says that , due to showings in
Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his scene could
have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe, just
maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla
could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals for Bill?
Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John, Scrolls.

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the ape short was made by matt sotis.he also used to make custom planet of the apes megos     goapebilly

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In a message dated 7/2/2007 7:00:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, masonverger12@... writes:

Unfortunately, Mr. Darden has passed away I believe.
He was also oustanding in 'Back to School' with the
line "I'm trying to teach these here apes how to learn
to read and write." A nice little nod from the
writers

He also appeared in at least one episode of "The Monkees" as well! Working with The Monkees was a warm-up I guess.

 

Bruce

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>>Unfortunately, Mr. Darden has passed away I believe.

He was also oustanding in 'Back to School' with the
line "I'm trying to teach these here apes how to learn
to read and write." A nice little nod from the writers. <<
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>>In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his scene

was
cut from The Interrogation. However, he says that , due to showings in
Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his scene could
have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe, just
maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla
could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals for Bill?
Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! << <.html

I've never for one minute believed that story.

The way he describes the scene, it was exactly the same as the scene
where Galen and Virdon, except of course in the episode, it was a
gorilla whose cart was hijacked.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his scene was
> cut from The Interrogation.However, he says that , due to showings in
> Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his scene could
> have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe, just
> maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla
> could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals for
Bill?
> Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John, Scrolls.
>

The versions from any European DVDs are the same as the US versions.
There is NO difference between the episodes in terms of content.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I'd be impressed if anyone had a home VCR in the 70's. Back in the
day
> they weren't exactly cheap...
>
> Anyone from Europe have the TV series DVD set? I'm curious if it
features
> the same versions as the U.S. release.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> >>In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his scene
was
> cut from The Interrogation.However, he says that , due to showings
in
> Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his scene
could
> have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe, just
> maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla
> could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals for
Bill?
> Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! <<
>

I, personally, do think that something odd happened with that whole
scene. The script had Virdon and Galen getting help from a human cart
driver, who drives them right into the City, with them hidden
underneath.I can understand why that was altered, as it gave Roddy
the chance to ham it up as 'Granny Galen'.Bill's scene was meant to
be a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla about the theft of
his cart.The gorilla was played by Lee Delano and there are behind
the scenes pics of Lee that don't fit the episode as seen--there's
one of him on his autograph site that suits Bill's scene--a farmyard
type setting.The transmitted scene is awful and looks like a last
minute lash up--a gorilla farmer(are there ANY gorilla farmers
anywhere else in the series?---they're all chimps) still wearing his
purple soldier pants is caught in a monumentally infantile trap. It
is just about possible that footage with Bill's character could exist-
--different versions of Doctor Who went around the world.I do believe
Bill.The best scene cut from The Interrogation is a flashback of
Burke getting military coaching in how to resist questioning--it
would have really made the title of the epoisode relevant, comparing
how Apes and Humans do these things.It would also have been very
relevant today. John, Scrolls.

>
> I've never for one minute believed that story.
>
> The way he describes the scene, it was exactly the same as the

scene

> where Galen and Virdon, except of course in the episode, it was a
> gorilla whose cart was hijacked.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his scene

was

> > cut from The Interrogation.However, he says that , due to

showings in

> > Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his scene

could

> > have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe, just
> > maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a

gorilla

> > could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals for
> Bill?
> > Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John, Scrolls.
> >
>

If I an correct, he was also in an old Richard
Benjamin movie called Saturday the 14th as some kind
of bizarre exorcist type character.
--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> I remember stumbling across his obit in a newspaper
> somewhere and being
> frustrated that I couldn't find out more about him.
> Back in the ancient
> times of 1995 before the internet was so
> commonplace.
>
> Interesting info here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Darden
>
> I had completely missed that bit from 'Back To
> School'. I saw it in the
> theaters but must not have made the connection at
> the time. Apparently
> there's a special edition DVD coming out August
> 14th. Be interesting to
> see what kind of extras are included.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Shane Miller" <masonverger12@...> wrote:
>
> >>Unfortunately, Mr. Darden has passed away I
> believe.
> He was also oustanding in 'Back to School' with the
> line "I'm trying to teach these here apes how to
> learn
> to read and write." A nice little nod from the
> writers. <<

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I'm curious, which version of the script is that in? A lot of the
scripts went thru many drafts before being finalized. I'm not saying
the scene wasn't scripted, I am wondering though how it was all
written in the script? Are you saying the script had Galen and Virdon
steal the chimp's cart, and then they talked some human cart driver
into driving the stolen cart into the city? After all that happened,
then the chimp was questioned?

As for the gorilla farmer, who's to say there aren't more? After all,
they were originally intended to be not only the police and soldiers,
but the "heavy laborers" too. As far as the purple pants, no big deal
there either. Purple is the gorilla's primary color, just as green is
the chimp's. Saying that a gorilla farmer shouldn't be wearing purple
pants is like saying that Polar shouldn't be wearing his green pants.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I, personally, do think that something odd happened with that whole
> scene. The script had Virdon and Galen getting help from a human
cart
> driver, who drives them right into the City, with them hidden
> underneath.I can understand why that was altered, as it gave Roddy
> the chance to ham it up as 'Granny Galen'.Bill's scene was meant to
> be a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla about the theft of
> his cart.The gorilla was played by Lee Delano and there are behind
> the scenes pics of Lee that don't fit the episode as seen--there's
> one of him on his autograph site that suits Bill's scene--a
farmyard
> type setting.The transmitted scene is awful and looks like a last
> minute lash up--a gorilla farmer(are there ANY gorilla farmers
> anywhere else in the series?---they're all chimps) still wearing
his
> purple soldier pants is caught in a monumentally infantile trap. It
> is just about possible that footage with Bill's character could
exist-
> --different versions of Doctor Who went around the world.I do
believe
> Bill.The best scene cut from The Interrogation is a flashback of
> Burke getting military coaching in how to resist questioning--it
> would have really made the title of the epoisode relevant,
comparing
> how Apes and Humans do these things.It would also have been very
> relevant today. John, Scrolls.
> >
> > I've never for one minute believed that story.
> >
> > The way he describes the scene, it was exactly the same as the
> scene
> > where Galen and Virdon, except of course in the episode, it was a
> > gorilla whose cart was hijacked.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his
scene
> was
> > > cut from The Interrogation.However, he says that , due to
> showings in
> > > Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his scene
> could
> > > have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe,
just
> > > maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a
> gorilla
> > > could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals
for
> > Bill?
> > > Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John, Scrolls.
> > >
> >
>

The script is on Hunter's site, I believe.In the script, our intrepid
duo never steal a cart at all, they enlist the help of a human cart
driver who enjoys his 15 minutes of rebellion. As for gorilla
farmers, personally I don't think they existed , although Kava in The
Cure may have had to consider this as a career choice in the end.The
scene, as filmed, is poor, in my humble opinion and Bill Blake has
spoken in the past about talking with make-up people on set about his
appliance and his scene with Delano.I think it should have been Bill,
as a farmer chimp, on that cart, with a follow up scene of Delano
questioning Bill about the theft.What happened to the poor gorilla
they robbed--did he just die/starve to death? The past time
interrogation scene might have been done too, given the flashback
they actually used in the episode.It's my favourite episode, but it
could have been even better--I'd have loved Effinger to novelise it.
John, Scrolls.

>
> I'm curious, which version of the script is that in? A lot of the
> scripts went thru many drafts before being finalized. I'm not

saying

> the scene wasn't scripted, I am wondering though how it was all
> written in the script? Are you saying the script had Galen and

Virdon

> steal the chimp's cart, and then they talked some human cart driver
> into driving the stolen cart into the city? After all that

happened,

> then the chimp was questioned?
>
> As for the gorilla farmer, who's to say there aren't more? After

all,

> they were originally intended to be not only the police and

soldiers,

> but the "heavy laborers" too. As far as the purple pants, no big

deal

> there either. Purple is the gorilla's primary color, just as green

is

> the chimp's. Saying that a gorilla farmer shouldn't be wearing

purple

> pants is like saying that Polar shouldn't be wearing his green

pants.

>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I, personally, do think that something odd happened with that

whole

> > scene. The script had Virdon and Galen getting help from a human
> cart
> > driver, who drives them right into the City, with them hidden
> > underneath.I can understand why that was altered, as it gave

Roddy

> > the chance to ham it up as 'Granny Galen'.Bill's scene was meant

to

> > be a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla about the theft

of

> > his cart.The gorilla was played by Lee Delano and there are

behind

> > the scenes pics of Lee that don't fit the episode as seen--

there's

> > one of him on his autograph site that suits Bill's scene--a
> farmyard
> > type setting.The transmitted scene is awful and looks like a last
> > minute lash up--a gorilla farmer(are there ANY gorilla farmers
> > anywhere else in the series?---they're all chimps) still wearing
> his
> > purple soldier pants is caught in a monumentally infantile trap.

It

> > is just about possible that footage with Bill's character could
> exist-
> > --different versions of Doctor Who went around the world.I do
> believe
> > Bill.The best scene cut from The Interrogation is a flashback of
> > Burke getting military coaching in how to resist questioning--it
> > would have really made the title of the epoisode relevant,
> comparing
> > how Apes and Humans do these things.It would also have been very
> > relevant today. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > I've never for one minute believed that story.
> > >
> > > The way he describes the scene, it was exactly the same as the
> > scene
> > > where Galen and Virdon, except of course in the episode, it was

a

> > > gorilla whose cart was hijacked.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his
> scene
> > was
> > > > cut from The Interrogation.However, he says that , due to
> > showings in
> > > > Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his

scene

> > could
> > > > have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe,
> just
> > > > maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a
> > gorilla
> > > > could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals
> for
> > > Bill?
> > > > Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John,

Scrolls.

> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: What was your first exposure to POTA?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- The original novel, 1 votes, 4.35%
- The first film with Heston, 16 votes, 69.57%
- Beneath, 1 votes, 4.35%
- Escape, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Conquest, 1 votes, 4.35%
- Battle, 0 votes, 0.00%
- The Go Ape Marathon, 2 votes, 8.70%
- The TV series, 1 votes, 4.35%
- A comic book, 1 votes, 4.35%
- A film or TV series novelization, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Other, 0 votes, 0.00%
- None of the above, I've wandered into the wrong group, 0 votes, 0.00%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- The original novel
- HotScheetz@...
- The first film with Heston
- teddypawpad@...
- apefan23@...
- tallulah.stephen@...
- bettabeedee@...
- smugster2000@...
- cuddybuddy69@...
- joseramonruizdiez@...
- mgkettler@...
- stenosaurus@...
- itybt1@...
- JamesA1102@...
- chrisj80@...
- segeorge98@...
- bob10o@...
- bikergator25@...
- drhasslein@...
- Beneath
- masonverger12@...
- Escape
- Conquest
- taebokitti@...
- Battle
- The Go Ape Marathon
- apecalypsenow@...
- dspires501@...
- The TV series
- urko3085@...
- A comic book
- john@...
- A film or TV series novelization
- Other
- None of the above, I've wandered into the wrong group


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Those results are interesting.Over two thirds had their first
exposure with Heston's movie--we must have a lot of older folk in
here? I'm 40, so I was too young to see the original run, and the
movies weren't shown on tv in the UK until, I think, 1977, so the tv
series and accompanying comics were a massive introduction for me in
the UK---I only even learned of the original movies later, through
the comics.I wonder are we an 'older'fanbase than other franchises--I
doubt if Burton's movie brought in much new blood.John, Scrolls.

>
>
> The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: What was your first exposure to POTA?
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - The original novel, 1 votes, 4.35%
> - The first film with Heston, 16 votes, 69.57%
> - Beneath, 1 votes, 4.35%
> - Escape, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Conquest, 1 votes, 4.35%
> - Battle, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - The Go Ape Marathon, 2 votes, 8.70%
> - The TV series, 1 votes, 4.35%
> - A comic book, 1 votes, 4.35%
> - A film or TV series novelization, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Other, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - None of the above, I've wandered into the wrong group, 0 votes,

0.00%

>
> INDIVIDUAL VOTES
> - The original novel
> - HotScheetz@...
> - The first film with Heston
> - teddypawpad@...
> - apefan23@...
> - tallulah.stephen@...
> - bettabeedee@...
> - smugster2000@...
> - cuddybuddy69@...
> - joseramonruizdiez@...
> - mgkettler@...
> - stenosaurus@...
> - itybt1@...
> - JamesA1102@...
> - chrisj80@...
> - segeorge98@...
> - bob10o@...
> - bikergator25@...
> - drhasslein@...
> - Beneath
> - masonverger12@...
> - Escape
> - Conquest
> - taebokitti@...
> - Battle
> - The Go Ape Marathon
> - apecalypsenow@...
> - dspires501@...
> - The TV series
> - urko3085@...
> - A comic book
> - john@...
> - A film or TV series novelization
> - Other
> - None of the above, I've wandered into the wrong group
>
>
> For more information about this group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
>
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The same seller is also selling the Marvel magazines with a Buy It Now
of only $89.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PLANET-OF-THE-APES-Marvel-Magazines-Collection-Set-1-29_W0QQitemZ150137603421QQihZ005QQcategoryZ3752QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hunter

> The same seller is also selling the Marvel magazines with a Buy It Now
> of only $89.

Sorry, that's not complete, like I thought it was. Still, not a bad
price.

It's Friday and a new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to Elaine, Glen and everyone elsewho contributed.

To view the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Also, I am cleaning out my closets and still have several printed copies of the TV Series Herald available.

There are many new members since we first offered the Herald, so we are offering it again. PDF versions are available both Kass' (https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/) and Hunter's https://pota.goatley.com/ websites.

Anyone who would like their own printed version, please email me offline for instructions.

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The person selling those items has got to be Mr. Hoknes himself under
one of his eBay seller names. If he wasn't his own hocking his own
wares, then he wouldn't have bombarded the various egroups with the
link to the auction. It's not like there's anything rare or anything in
the lot, and nobody will need that many copies of Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> The same seller is also selling the Marvel magazines with a Buy It Now
> of only $89.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/PLANET-OF-THE-APES-Marvel-Magazines-Collection-
Set-1-
29_W0QQitemZ150137603421QQihZ005QQcategoryZ3752QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Hunter
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: aboro3085

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:32 PM

Subject: [POTA] Re: Entire apes collection for sale on ebay cheap

The person selling those items has got to be Mr. Hoknes himself under
one of his eBay seller names. If he wasn't his own hocking his own
wares, then he wouldn't have bombarded the various egroups with the
link to the auction. It's not like there's anything rare or anything in
the lot, and nobody will need that many copies of Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@ ...> wrote:
>
> The same seller is also selling the Marvel magazines with a Buy It Now
> of only $89.
>
> http://cgi.ebay. com/PLANET- OF-THE-APES- Marvel-Magazines -Collection-
Set-1-
29_W0QQitemZ1501376 03421QQihZ005QQc ategoryZ3752QQrd Z1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Hunter
>

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Honestly Terry, I'm not sure why you are being
criticized either...


--- Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote:

> I simply put some items up for auction and posted
> this on only 2 of the POTA yahoogroups just to let
> you know for those who "might" be interested.
> I am not sure why I am criticized for doing this ?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aboro3085
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:32 PM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: Entire apes collection for
> sale on ebay cheap
>
>
> The person selling those items has got to be Mr.
> Hoknes himself under
> one of his eBay seller names. If he wasn't his own
> hocking his own
> wares, then he wouldn't have bombarded the various
> egroups with the
> link to the auction. It's not like there's
> anything rare or anything in
> the lot, and nobody will need that many copies of
> Battle.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley
> <goathunter@...> wrote:
> >
> > The same seller is also selling the Marvel
> magazines with a Buy It Now
> > of only $89.
> >
> >
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/PLANET-OF-THE-APES-Marvel-Magazines-Collection-

> Set-1-
>
>

29_W0QQitemZ150137603421QQihZ005QQcategoryZ3752QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> >
> > Hunter
> >
>
>
>
>

________________________

As far as older based age group..well i 'am 43,and am
also part of the Star Trek Group on here,I agree Tim
Burton 's effort will not get as much attention or
long term support as the originals did..and yes I have
seen the TB version..although on the whole I have
never been a big fan of remakes..if a film is a
''classic'' then show that not some updated rehash
,which are often poorer in quality,and the impact they
have..it is for this reason that I never went to see
the new version of Black Christmas..okay ocassionally
a remake does work..the new War Of The Worlds being
one of the few...how do other memebers feel about
remakes of established films?



___________________________________________________________

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In a message dated 7/7/2007 9:47:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cuddybuddy69@... writes:

As far as older based age group..well i 'am 43,and am
also part of the Star Trek Group on here,I agree Tim
Burton 's effort will not get as much attention or
long term support as the originals did..and yes I have
seen the TB version..although on the whole I have
never been a big fan of remakes..if a film is a
''classic'' then show that not some updated rehash
,which are often poorer in quality,and the impact they
have..it is for this reason that I never went to see
the new version of Black Christmas..okay ocassionally
a remake does work..the new War Of The Worlds being
one of the few...how do other memebers feel about
remakes of established films?

 

Off the top of my head the only remakes I've really enjoyed were King Kong and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Neither were as good as the originals but were at least fun to watch.

 

Bruce

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I thought the re-make of Cape Fear, with DeNiro, worked pretty well.
Other than that, everything from Apes to the Italian Job has sucked
more than a cosmically powered vacuum cleaner called Monica.And I
cleaned that one up before posting! John, Scrolls.

>
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2007 9:47:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> cuddybuddy69@... writes:
>
> As far as older based age group..well i 'am 43,and am
> also part of the Star Trek Group on here,I agree Tim
> Burton 's effort will not get as much attention or
> long term support as the originals did..and yes I have
> seen the TB version..although on the whole I have
> never been a big fan of remakes..if a film is a
> ''classic'' then show that not some updated rehash
> ,which are often poorer in quality,and the impact they
> have..it is for this reason that I never went to see
> the new version of Black Christmas..okay ocassionally
> a remake does work..the new War Of The Worlds being
> one of the few...how do other memebers feel about
> remakes of established films?
>
>
>
>
>
> Off the top of my head the only remakes I've really enjoyed were

King Kong

> and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Neither were as good as the

originals

> but were at least fun to watch.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com

>

As far as remakes go, there are very few I've ever thought were worth
making: The Fly, The Thing, and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
come to mind. I didn't mind the Apes remake, but it was a pale
version of the original.

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Tim



________________________

> As far as remakes go, there are very few I've ever thought were worth
> making: The Fly, The Thing,

These were great updates on the originals. (And there are plans
underway to remake both of these remakes. 8-( )

> and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
> come to mind.

I thought it was OK, but I still much prefer "Willy Wonka and the
Chocolate Factory."

> I didn't mind the Apes remake,

I did.

KING KONG was a great homage to the '33 version and had wonderful
special effects, but didn't really improve on the '33 version,
story-wise, IMO.

There are exceptions ("Heaven Can Wait"), but by and large, remakes do
nothing for me.

Hunter

It seems like the only time you post is when you're offering things for
sale. Granted, you did participate in the recent foreign comics thread,
but for the most part, most posts by you concern you and the items
you're selling.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> I simply put some items up for auction and posted this on only 2 of
the POTA yahoogroups just to let you know for those who "might" be
interested.
> I am not sure why I am criticized for doing this ?

Since you are a fairly new member, you are unaware of the years of contributions that Terry has made to this group and POTA fandom in general. These include (but not limited to) running the International POTA fan club and publishing the fanzine "Ape Chronicles" for many years.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> It seems like the only time you post is when you're offering things for
> sale. Granted, you did participate in the recent foreign comics thread,
> but for the most part, most posts by you concern you and the items
> you're selling.
>
>

James, didn't you tell a member within the last year or so that he
was not allowed to post a listing of his on ebay, and referred him to
a lawgiver lesson? Personally, I like the ebay referrals, but there
is a hypocracy of what one member can post vs. another....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Since you are a fairly new member, you are unaware of the years of
> contributions that Terry has made to this group and POTA fandom in
> general. These include (but not limited to) running the
International
> POTA fan club and publishing the fanzine "Ape Chronicles" for many
> years.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems like the only time you post is when you're offering
things
> for
> > sale. Granted, you did participate in the recent foreign comics
> thread,
> > but for the most part, most posts by you concern you and the items
> > you're selling.
> >
> >
>

The "member" in question had joined the group that day and their first post out of the box was promoting their ebay auction. This "member" spammed several other Apes groups as well.

We have rules against spammer to protect the group. Otherwise we would be flooded with posts not only POTA auctions, but about dating service, penis enlargement, etc.

Terry has been a member here for many, many years. He has done more for POTA fandon than most of us combined. Terry has earned our trust. So forgive us if we cut him a little slack. We would do the same for you since you are a member in good standing or any other regular contributing member.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> James, didn't you tell a member within the last year or so that he
> was not allowed to post a listing of his on ebay, and referred him to
> a lawgiver lesson? Personally, I like the ebay referrals, but there
> is a hypocracy of what one member can post vs. another....
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:36 PM

Subject: [POTA] Re: Entire apes collection for sale on ebay cheap

The "member" in question had joined the group that day and their first post out of the box was promoting their ebay auction. This "member" spammed several other Apes groups as well.

We have rules against spammer to protect the group. Otherwise we would be flooded with posts not only POTA auctions, but about dating service, penis enlargement, etc.

Terry has been a member here for many, many years. He has done more for POTA fandon than most of us combined. Terry has earned our trust. So forgive us if we cut him a little slack. We would do the same for you since you are a member in good standing or any other regular contributing member.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@. ..> wrote:
>
> James, didn't you tell a member within the last year or so that he
> was not allowed to post a listing of his on ebay, and referred him to
> a lawgiver lesson? Personally, I like the ebay referrals, but there
> is a hypocracy of what one member can post vs. another....
>

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I can only speak from my personal standpoint, but Terry, for me, is
an important Apes person. It was his web site and his Ape Chronicles
that really made me feel there were other Apes fans out there and his
effort made me think about getting a UK Fanzine going. There is a
good argument that if a fan is selling Apes stuff then it is good to
tip us off here. Anyway, Terry, looking forward to issue #40! John,
Scrolls.

>
> As usual I am short on time and dont always get to read all the

posts

> If I knew that nobody wanted any ebay posts on here than I wouldnt

have bothered doing it

> But I just had a last second thought of letting some POTA fans know

about some stuff I had leftover to sell - this isnt a regular
occurance

>
> On another note I still would like to get APE CHRONICLES #40

happening

> The big thing I note is there is a small amount of POTA fans

(propably less than 10 people combined) who actually put together
POTA related items for the groups or fanzines or websites etc. We
do it cause we love it - surely none of us are doing it for the money
LOL

>
> But due to this I always am short on time to focus on POTA cause I

have so many things in my life happening - when the time is right I
will just get back at it and it will be fun again!

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:36 PM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: Entire apes collection for sale on ebay cheap
>
>
>
> The "member" in question had joined the group that day and their

first post out of the box was promoting their ebay auction.
This "member" spammed several other Apes groups as well.

>
> We have rules against spammer to protect the group. Otherwise we

would be flooded with posts not only POTA auctions, but about dating
service, penis enlargement, etc.

>
> Terry has been a member here for many, many years. He has done

more for POTA fandon than most of us combined. Terry has earned our
trust. So forgive us if we cut him a little slack. We would do the
same for you since you are a member in good standing or any other
regular contributing member.

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > James, didn't you tell a member within the last year or so that

he

> > was not allowed to post a listing of his on ebay, and referred

him to

> > a lawgiver lesson? Personally, I like the ebay referrals, but

there

> > is a hypocracy of what one member can post vs. another....
> >
>

I can only speak from my personal standpoint, but Terry, for me, is
an important Apes person. It was his web site and his Ape Chronicles
that really made me feel there were other Apes fans out there and his
effort made me think about getting a UK Fanzine going. There is a
good argument that if a fan is selling Apes stuff then it is good to
tip us off here. Anyway, Terry, looking forward to issue #40! John,
Scrolls.

>
> As usual I am short on time and dont always get to read all the

posts

> If I knew that nobody wanted any ebay posts on here than I wouldnt

have bothered doing it

> But I just had a last second thought of letting some POTA fans know

about some stuff I had leftover to sell - this isnt a regular
occurance

>
> On another note I still would like to get APE CHRONICLES #40

happening

> The big thing I note is there is a small amount of POTA fans

(propably less than 10 people combined) who actually put together
POTA related items for the groups or fanzines or websites etc. We
do it cause we love it - surely none of us are doing it for the money
LOL

>
> But due to this I always am short on time to focus on POTA cause I

have so many things in my life happening - when the time is right I
will just get back at it and it will be fun again!

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:36 PM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: Entire apes collection for sale on ebay cheap
>
>
>
> The "member" in question had joined the group that day and their

first post out of the box was promoting their ebay auction.
This "member" spammed several other Apes groups as well.

>
> We have rules against spammer to protect the group. Otherwise we

would be flooded with posts not only POTA auctions, but about dating
service, penis enlargement, etc.

>
> Terry has been a member here for many, many years. He has done

more for POTA fandon than most of us combined. Terry has earned our
trust. So forgive us if we cut him a little slack. We would do the
same for you since you are a member in good standing or any other
regular contributing member.

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > James, didn't you tell a member within the last year or so that

he

> > was not allowed to post a listing of his on ebay, and referred

him to

> > a lawgiver lesson? Personally, I like the ebay referrals, but

there

> > is a hypocracy of what one member can post vs. another....
> >
>

TErry...I for one appreciate knowing about good ebay
auctions....so if you want you can keep informing me!!

Tim

--- Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote:

> As usual I am short on time and dont always get to
> read all the posts
> If I knew that nobody wanted any ebay posts on here
> than I wouldnt have bothered doing it
> But I just had a last second thought of letting some
> POTA fans know about some stuff I had leftover to
> sell - this isnt a regular occurance
>
> On another note I still would like to get APE
> CHRONICLES #40 happening
> The big thing I note is there is a small amount of
> POTA fans (propably less than 10 people combined)
> who actually put together POTA related items for the
> groups or fanzines or websites etc. We do it cause
> we love it - surely none of us are doing it for the
> money LOL
>
> But due to this I always am short on time to focus
> on POTA cause I have so many things in my life
> happening - when the time is right I will just get
> back at it and it will be fun again!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:36 PM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: Entire apes collection for
> sale on ebay cheap
>
>
>
> The "member" in question had joined the group that
> day and their first post out of the box was
> promoting their ebay auction. This "member" spammed
> several other Apes groups as well.
>
> We have rules against spammer to protect the
> group. Otherwise we would be flooded with posts not
> only POTA auctions, but about dating service, penis
> enlargement, etc.
>
> Terry has been a member here for many, many years.
> He has done more for POTA fandon than most of us
> combined. Terry has earned our trust. So forgive us
> if we cut him a little slack. We would do the same
> for you since you are a member in good standing or
> any other regular contributing member.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein"
> <drhasslein@...> wrote:
> >
> > James, didn't you tell a member within the last
> year or so that he
> > was not allowed to post a listing of his on
> ebay, and referred him to
> > a lawgiver lesson? Personally, I like the ebay
> referrals, but there
> > is a hypocracy of what one member can post vs.
> another....
> >
>
>
>
>

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We have no objection to trusted members, like Terry, informing us of their ebay auctions. We do have a problem with strangers who join the group and immediately start posting about their auctions.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> TErry...I for one appreciate knowing about good ebay
> auctions....so if you want you can keep informing me!!
>
> Tim
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: shanter2002

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:04 AM

Subject: [POTA] Re: TV Series

The script is on Hunter's site, I believe.In the script, our intrepid
duo never steal a cart at all, they enlist the help of a human cart
driver who enjoys his 15 minutes of rebellion. As for gorilla
farmers, personally I don't think they existed , although Kava in The
Cure may have had to consider this as a career choice in the end.The
scene, as filmed, is poor, in my humble opinion and Bill Blake has
spoken in the past about talking with make-up people on set about his
appliance and his scene with Delano.I think it should have been Bill,
as a farmer chimp, on that cart, with a follow up scene of Delano
questioning Bill about the theft.What happened to the poor gorilla
they robbed--did he just die/starve to death? The past time
interrogation scene might have been done too, given the flashback
they actually used in the episode.It's my favourite episode, but it
could have been even better--I'd have loved Effinger to novelise it.
John, Scrolls.
>
> I'm curious, which version of the script is that in? A lot of the
> scripts went thru many drafts before being finalized. I'm not
saying
> the scene wasn't scripted, I am wondering though how it was all
> written in the script? Are you saying the script had Galen and
Virdon
> steal the chimp's cart, and then they talked some human cart driver
> into driving the stolen cart into the city? After all that
happened,
> then the chimp was questioned?
>
> As for the gorilla farmer, who's to say there aren't more? After
all,
> they were originally intended to be not only the police and
soldiers,
> but the "heavy laborers" too. As far as the purple pants, no big
deal
> there either. Purple is the gorilla's primary color, just as green
is
> the chimp's. Saying that a gorilla farmer shouldn't be wearing
purple
> pants is like saying that Polar shouldn't be wearing his green
pants.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I, personally, do think that something odd happened with that
whole
> > scene. The script had Virdon and Galen getting help from a human
> cart
> > driver, who drives them right into the City, with them hidden
> > underneath.I can understand why that was altered, as it gave
Roddy
> > the chance to ham it up as 'Granny Galen'.Bill' s scene was meant
to
> > be a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla about the theft
of
> > his cart.The gorilla was played by Lee Delano and there are
behind
> > the scenes pics of Lee that don't fit the episode as seen--
there's
> > one of him on his autograph site that suits Bill's scene--a
> farmyard
> > type setting.The transmitted scene is awful and looks like a last
> > minute lash up--a gorilla farmer(are there ANY gorilla farmers
> > anywhere else in the series?---they' re all chimps) still wearing
> his
> > purple soldier pants is caught in a monumentally infantile trap.
It
> > is just about possible that footage with Bill's character could
> exist-
> > --different versions of Doctor Who went around the world.I do
> believe
> > Bill.The best scene cut from The Interrogation is a flashback of
> > Burke getting military coaching in how to resist questioning- -it
> > would have really made the title of the epoisode relevant,
> comparing
> > how Apes and Humans do these things.It would also have been very
> > relevant today. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > I've never for one minute believed that story.
> > >
> > > The way he describes the scene, it was exactly the same as the
> > scene
> > > where Galen and Virdon, except of course in the episode, it was
a
> > > gorilla whose cart was hijacked.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his
> scene
> > was
> > > > cut from The Interrogation. However, he says that , due to
> > showings in
> > > > Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his
scene
> > could
> > > > have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe,
> just
> > > > maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a
> > gorilla
> > > > could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals
> for
> > > Bill?
> > > > Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John,
Scrolls.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff K.

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: TV Series

  Yeah, Bill Blake and Lee Delano filmed a scene for "The Interrogation" . John Roche sent me a cut scene from the ep, a sauna scene between Urko and Zauis, kinda like a poor man's "Beneath". Since that was cut, maybe this was a replacement. I guess it got cut for time. The astros abandon the cart at Bill's farm and Lee questions him about it. It was filmed.  Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: shanter2002

To: pota@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:04 AM

Subject: [POTA] Re: TV Series

The script is on Hunter's site, I believe.In the script, our intrepid
duo never steal a cart at all, they enlist the help of a human cart
driver who enjoys his 15 minutes of rebellion. As for gorilla
farmers, personally I don't think they existed , although Kava in The
Cure may have had to consider this as a career choice in the end.The
scene, as filmed, is poor, in my humble opinion and Bill Blake has
spoken in the past about talking with make-up people on set about his
appliance and his scene with Delano.I think it should have been Bill,
as a farmer chimp, on that cart, with a follow up scene of Delano
questioning Bill about the theft.What happened to the poor gorilla
they robbed--did he just die/starve to death? The past time
interrogation scene might have been done too, given the flashback
they actually used in the episode.It's my favourite episode, but it
could have been even better--I'd have loved Effinger to novelise it.
John, Scrolls.
>
> I'm curious, which version of the script is that in? A lot of the
> scripts went thru many drafts before being finalized. I'm not
saying
> the scene wasn't scripted, I am wondering though how it was all
> written in the script? Are you saying the script had Galen and
Virdon
> steal the chimp's cart, and then they talked some human cart driver
> into driving the stolen cart into the city? After all that
happened,
> then the chimp was questioned?
>
> As for the gorilla farmer, who's to say there aren't more? After
all,
> they were originally intended to be not only the police and
soldiers,
> but the "heavy laborers" too. As far as the purple pants, no big
deal
> there either. Purple is the gorilla's primary color, just as green
is
> the chimp's. Saying that a gorilla farmer shouldn't be wearing
purple
> pants is like saying that Polar shouldn't be wearing his green
pants.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I, personally, do think that something odd happened with that
whole
> > scene. The script had Virdon and Galen getting help from a human
> cart
> > driver, who drives them right into the City, with them hidden
> > underneath.I can understand why that was altered, as it gave
Roddy
> > the chance to ham it up as 'Granny Galen'.Bill' s scene was meant
to
> > be a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla about the theft
of
> > his cart.The gorilla was played by Lee Delano and there are
behind
> > the scenes pics of Lee that don't fit the episode as seen--
there's
> > one of him on his autograph site that suits Bill's scene--a
> farmyard
> > type setting.The transmitted scene is awful and looks like a last
> > minute lash up--a gorilla farmer(are there ANY gorilla farmers
> > anywhere else in the series?---they' re all chimps) still wearing
> his
> > purple soldier pants is caught in a monumentally infantile trap.
It
> > is just about possible that footage with Bill's character could
> exist-
> > --different versions of Doctor Who went around the world.I do
> believe
> > Bill.The best scene cut from The Interrogation is a flashback of
> > Burke getting military coaching in how to resist questioning- -it
> > would have really made the title of the epoisode relevant,
> comparing
> > how Apes and Humans do these things.It would also have been very
> > relevant today. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > I've never for one minute believed that story.
> > >
> > > The way he describes the scene, it was exactly the same as the
> > scene
> > > where Galen and Virdon, except of course in the episode, it was
a
> > > gorilla whose cart was hijacked.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions his
> scene
> > was
> > > > cut from The Interrogation. However, he says that , due to
> > showings in
> > > > Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe, his
scene
> > could
> > > > have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but maybe,
> just
> > > > maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned by a
> > gorilla
> > > > could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the rediduals
> for
> > > Bill?
> > > > Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John,
Scrolls.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Wow--I never knew Stan Winston worked on the Apes show. Makes me even
sadder that his amazing test make-ups for the Burton movie didn't get
to be used, as they were beautiful.If a scene was filmes, but cut,
maybe it still exists somewhere? I'd love to see the script for that
scene--there was a LOT of good stuff cut out of The Interrogation,
which is annoying as the bits in Urko's office could easily have been
cut instead.Bill getting a residuals cheque does suggest it was shown
somewhere--unless the industry rules at the time gave him residuals
even if not transmitted? It would be great to have Bill re-create
that scene someday. John, Scrolls.

>
> Bill Blake was also the only ape actor in the history of the

franchise to sculpt his own appliance. Stan Winston worked on the
show and was impressed by Bill's work. Jeff

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff K.
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: TV Series
>
>
>
> Yeah, Bill Blake and Lee Delano filmed a scene for "The

Interrogation". John Roche sent me a cut scene from the ep, a sauna
scene between Urko and Zauis, kinda like a poor man's "Beneath".
Since that was cut, maybe this was a replacement. I guess it got cut
for time. The astros abandon the cart at Bill's farm and Lee
questions him about it. It was filmed. Jeff

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shanter2002
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:04 AM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: TV Series
>
>
> The script is on Hunter's site, I believe.In the script, our

intrepid

> duo never steal a cart at all, they enlist the help of a human

cart

> driver who enjoys his 15 minutes of rebellion. As for gorilla
> farmers, personally I don't think they existed , although Kava

in The

> Cure may have had to consider this as a career choice in the

end.The

> scene, as filmed, is poor, in my humble opinion and Bill Blake

has

> spoken in the past about talking with make-up people on set

about his

> appliance and his scene with Delano.I think it should have been

Bill,

> as a farmer chimp, on that cart, with a follow up scene of

Delano

> questioning Bill about the theft.What happened to the poor

gorilla

> they robbed--did he just die/starve to death? The past time
> interrogation scene might have been done too, given the

flashback

> they actually used in the episode.It's my favourite episode,

but it

> could have been even better--I'd have loved Effinger to

novelise it.

> John, Scrolls.
> >
> > I'm curious, which version of the script is that in? A lot of

the

> > scripts went thru many drafts before being finalized. I'm not
> saying
> > the scene wasn't scripted, I am wondering though how it was

all

> > written in the script? Are you saying the script had Galen

and

> Virdon
> > steal the chimp's cart, and then they talked some human cart

driver

> > into driving the stolen cart into the city? After all that
> happened,
> > then the chimp was questioned?
> >
> > As for the gorilla farmer, who's to say there aren't more?

After

> all,
> > they were originally intended to be not only the police and
> soldiers,
> > but the "heavy laborers" too. As far as the purple pants, no

big

> deal
> > there either. Purple is the gorilla's primary color, just as

green

> is
> > the chimp's. Saying that a gorilla farmer shouldn't be

wearing

> purple
> > pants is like saying that Polar shouldn't be wearing his

green

> pants.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I, personally, do think that something odd happened with

that

> whole
> > > scene. The script had Virdon and Galen getting help from a

human

> > cart
> > > driver, who drives them right into the City, with them

hidden

> > > underneath.I can understand why that was altered, as it

gave

> Roddy
> > > the chance to ham it up as 'Granny Galen'.Bill's scene was

meant

> to
> > > be a chimp farmer being questioned by a gorilla about the

theft

> of
> > > his cart.The gorilla was played by Lee Delano and there are
> behind
> > > the scenes pics of Lee that don't fit the episode as seen--
> there's
> > > one of him on his autograph site that suits Bill's scene--a
> > farmyard
> > > type setting.The transmitted scene is awful and looks like

a last

> > > minute lash up--a gorilla farmer(are there ANY gorilla

farmers

> > > anywhere else in the series?---they're all chimps) still

wearing

> > his
> > > purple soldier pants is caught in a monumentally infantile

trap.

> It
> > > is just about possible that footage with Bill's character

could

> > exist-
> > > --different versions of Doctor Who went around the world.I

do

> > believe
> > > Bill.The best scene cut from The Interrogation is a

flashback of

> > > Burke getting military coaching in how to resist

questioning--it

> > > would have really made the title of the epoisode relevant,
> > comparing
> > > how Apes and Humans do these things.It would also have been

very

> > > relevant today. John, Scrolls.
> > > >
> > > > I've never for one minute believed that story.
> > > >
> > > > The way he describes the scene, it was exactly the same

as the

> > > scene
> > > > where Galen and Virdon, except of course in the episode,

it was

> a
> > > > gorilla whose cart was hijacked.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In issue #12 of Marvel's Apes mag, Bill Blake mentions

his

> > scene
> > > was
> > > > > cut from The Interrogation.However, he says that , due

to

> > > showings in
> > > > > Europe, he had a residuals cheque, suggesting, maybe,

his

> scene
> > > could
> > > > > have survived in Europe.It's difficult to see how,but

maybe,

> > just
> > > > > maybe, the scene with a chimp farmer being questioned

by a

> > > gorilla
> > > > > could have been aired somewhere? Otherwise, why the

rediduals

> > for
> > > > Bill?
> > > > > Any Europeans out there who taped it in the 70s?! John,
> Scrolls.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>