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Group: pota Message: 42944 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: Re: Planet/Beneath Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42945 From: shanter2002 Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42946 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 42947 From: James Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42948 From: brendan486 Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42949 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42950 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42951 From: James Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42952 From: James Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 42953 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42954 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42955 From: drhasslein Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42956 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42957 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: pota Message: 42958 From: shanter2002 Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42959 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42960 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42961 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42962 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 42963 From: James Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 42964 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: 45% off with the Head
Group: pota Message: 42965 From: James Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Rare Pic
Group: pota Message: 42966 From: Melinda G Kettler Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42967 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42968 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 42969 From: James Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42970 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42971 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42972 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42973 From: aboro3085 Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42974 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 42975 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: eBay
Group: pota Message: 42976 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: pricing
Group: pota Message: 42977 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Planet/Beneath Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42978 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: eBay
Group: pota Message: 42979 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Planet/Beneath Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42980 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42981 From: Rich Handley Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3731
Group: pota Message: 42982 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 42983 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42984 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42985 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Planet/Beneath Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42986 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42987 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42988 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
Group: pota Message: 42989 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42990 From: jose ramon Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42991 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 42992 From: shanter2002 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: CULT TV UK
Group: pota Message: 42993 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42994 From: jose ramon Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42995 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 42996 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 42997 From: Melinda G Kettler Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Felix Silla Today
Group: pota Message: 42998 From: James Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 42999 From: James Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: New this week on Hunter's site
Group: pota Message: 43000 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Scans of the POTA comic mags from the 70's
Group: pota Message: 43001 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: New Epiosde of Planet of the Apes is ONLINE
Group: pota Message: 43002 From: jose ramon Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 43003 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 43004 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Is this Paula Christ??
Group: pota Message: 43005 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Bond (OT) Re: [POTA] Digest Number 3722
Group: pota Message: 43006 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Is this Paula Christ??
Group: pota Message: 43007 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43008 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43009 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Great '68 review
Group: pota Message: 43010 From: drhasslein Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43011 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
Group: pota Message: 43012 From: jose ramon Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43013 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
Group: pota Message: 43014 From: Shane Miller Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Bond (OT) Re: [POTA] Digest Number 3722
Group: pota Message: 43015 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43016 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Great '68 review
Group: pota Message: 43017 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43018 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
Group: pota Message: 43019 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43020 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
Group: pota Message: 43021 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43022 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Great '68 review
Group: pota Message: 43023 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43024 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
Group: pota Message: 43025 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Lesson from the Lawgiver
Group: pota Message: 43026 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43027 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
Group: pota Message: 43028 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
Group: pota Message: 43029 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Great '68 review
Group: pota Message: 43030 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43031 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43032 From: brendan486 Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43033 From: HollowedOut Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43034 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Anniversary Reminder
Group: pota Message: 43035 From: eltf177 Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43036 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43037 From: Ty Templeton Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43038 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43039 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/20/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43040 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/20/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43041 From: James Date: 8/20/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43042 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
Group: pota Message: 43043 From: James Date: 8/20/2007
Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'



Group: pota Message: 42944 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: Re: Planet/Beneath Double Feature
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  No problem, Rory, you could've just Tivo'ed "Journey". Oh, wait a minute...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: [POTA] Re: Planet/Beneath Double Feature

In a message dated 8/12/2007 2:26:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, drhasslein@yahoo. com writes:


Just as a side note, those of us that went to the Apes screening, had
to miss, at the Egyptian, the sister theatre, a double feature of
brand new 35 mm prints of Journey to the Center of the Earth and
World Without End. I regretted missing them, but the Apes were the
clear choice.


Damn!  That would have killed me!  I'd love to see JOURNEY on the big screen.  That was one of the first Fox films Emil Kosa, Jr. did matte paintings for.  (I'm currently renting the DVDs from "Land of the Giants," which was some of the last work he did in late '68.)

If that truly was a "new" 35mm print of JOURNEY, that makes me think a Special Edition DVD may soon be coming from Fox.

-- Rory



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Group: pota Message: 42945 From: shanter2002 Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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Well, I know I'll get shot to bits for this, but Beneath is my
pesonal favourite of the five.It has its flaws, yes and the budget
cuts certainly hurt it, but there are so many iconic images and
scenes in that film that it just burned itself onto my mind at an
early age.I'd love to see the arena scene on a big screen--despite
the crappy masks!I think James Gregory is astonishing as Ursus. John,
Scrolls.
>
> Yeah, but "Beneath" still looks cool on the big screen. It also
has a loyal following. People like it's bad ass attitude. I think
those two would have a successful 40th anniversary run.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:37 PM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: POTA Double Feature
>
>
> In a message dated 8/12/2007 5:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> The only problem I had were the bad masks during Ursus' speech.
>
>
> BENEATH really was just a cheap cash-in on the original. They
had some intriguing ideas, but the whole movie was half-baked and
looked like something made by a committee of bloody baboons!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 42946 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: POTA Gatherings
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Any one planing any ape parties or gathering or know of any?
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Group: pota Message: 42947 From: James Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:

>
> Well, I know I'll get shot to bits for this, but Beneath is my
> pesonal favourite of the five.

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Group: pota Message: 42948 From: brendan486 Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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Good idea, but it's the Gorilla who liked Beneath. The other poor
slob is just some British Tourist hiding out in Portugal.
I was going to remain a closet Beneath liker, but, surprise
surprise, I mostly agree with John, Not new I know. John and I
share similar likes and dislikes. There are some differences. I'm
the beauty -he's the brains, He reads comics - I watch Comics,He's
the diplomat -I'm more a laundromat... but.
Beneath is more an action adventure pic that young uns like.
We forget, now we appreciate quality work over substance.Not saying
Beneath didn't have some quality, but it was more a romp with
soldiers, running, shooting, fighting, Mutants etc. Fast paced and
fun, except for the downer ending.
Planet is cerebral and includes the gravitas of dramatic moments
(see how I try to sound clever!)
Comparing which is the better is fun, but lets not slate Beneath. It
had reductions in budget and is the sequel but it is still a very
enjoyable little film.
A double bill of the two is a great idea.
Those who walked out on the screening of Beneath, shame on
you.Unless you got lucky and she or he wanted to go somewhere else
to discuss the merits of the production values.
Brendan.



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I know I'll get shot to bits for this, but Beneath is my
> > pesonal favourite of the five.
>
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Group: pota Message: 42949 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/13/2007 6:31:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, john@... writes:


Well, I know I'll get shot to bits for this, but Beneath is my
pesonal favourite of the five.It has its flaws, yes and the budget
cuts certainly hurt it, but there are so many iconic images and
scenes in that film that it just burned itself onto my mind at an
early age.I'd love to see the arena scene on a big screen--despite
the crappy masks!I think James Gregory is astonishing as Ursus. John,
Scrolls.


I won't shoot you to bits.  I agree that BENEATH has some good stuff in it, and in that crazy Sci-Fi way is often more visually striking than the original.  Unfortunately, in its totality the movie is a mess, and because of its bleak final it really ends up amounting to a bunch of nothing.  In terms of the APES series, you can skip BENEATH, go straight into ESCAPE from PLANET and have not missed much that matters.

-- Rory




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Group: pota Message: 42950 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/12/2007 9:34:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


Yeah, but "Beneath" still looks cool on the big screen. It also has a loyal following. People like it's bad ass attitude. I think those two would have a successful 40th anniversary run.


Hell, BATTLE has a loyal following, which tells you more about people than it does the movies.

Anyway, I don't know how "successful" a 40th Anniversary re-release would be (It could possibly make a few thousand.), but why should PLANET have to be coupled with any of its sequels for such a thing?  Why the hell can't some of you APES fans allow the original classic to stand alone with its dignity intact?

-- Rory



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Group: pota Message: 42951 From: James Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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I agree with you for the most part. My one beef with Beneath is that half way through it  becomes "Planet of the Mutants". The Apes are relegated to secondary status. They become a dramatic device to pose a threat.

 


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "brendan486" <nzape@...> wrote:
>
> Good idea, but it's the Gorilla who liked Beneath. The other poor
> slob is just some British Tourist hiding out in Portugal.
> I was going to remain a closet Beneath liker, but, surprise
> surprise, I mostly agree with John, Not new I know. John and I
> share similar likes and dislikes. There are some differences. I'm
> the beauty -he's the brains, He reads comics - I watch Comics,He's
> the diplomat -I'm more a laundromat... but.
> Beneath is more an action adventure pic that young uns like.
> We forget, now we appreciate quality work over substance.Not saying
> Beneath didn't have some quality, but it was more a romp with
> soldiers, running, shooting, fighting, Mutants etc. Fast paced and
> fun, except for the downer ending.
> Planet is cerebral and includes the gravitas of dramatic moments
> (see how I try to sound clever!)
> Comparing which is the better is fun, but lets not slate Beneath. It
> had reductions in budget and is the sequel but it is still a very
> enjoyable little film.
> A double bill of the two is a great idea.
> Those who walked out on the screening of Beneath, shame on
> you.Unless you got lucky and she or he wanted to go somewhere else
> to discuss the merits of the production values.
> Brendan.
>
>
>

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Group: pota Message: 42952 From: James Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
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That's a bit difficult since members of the group are spread across the country and the world.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
>
> Any one planing any ape parties or gathering or know of any?
>

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Group: pota Message: 42953 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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There were at the end of Planet two cuts in the
film....it did not jump or anything...they were just
noticable....like it had torn and was
repaired......and it looked like after one of those
right when Zaius is still tied to the tree, that the
film got brighter


--- "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> Both films are great on the big screen. Better
> than what, DVD? Definitely. The only problem I had
> were the bad masks during Ursus' speech. It's even
> more jarring on the big screen. I don't know about
> all 5 but if Fox released these two for the 40th
> ann. I think it would work. They're certainly
> different from what we get today.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:41 AM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: POTA Double Feature
>
>
>
> Sounds like you had a great week. I can't wait to
> see the pics. Please send them when you get home.
>
> One question to all who went to the Double
> Feature, were each of the films better or worse
> presented on the big screen?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > Last night was the perfect ending to my
> "Vacation on
> > the Planet of the APes"! All week I've been
> scouting
> > out locations and taking hundreds of pics with
> the
> > hopes of putting together a "Visitor's Guide to
> > POTA".....
> >
> > Explored Malibu Creek State Park, Zuma
> BEach/Point
> > Dume and Century City....I'll make a full report
> when
> > I get home.....sitting in the airport now....
> >
> > It was great to meet Eric and Creber and JEFF
> K!!!
> > Jeff had his copy of Eric's book signed by
> everyone
> > from Chuck and Roddy to Jane Goodall! A true
> > treasure!!!
> >
> > The prints DID look great and I especially liked
> the
> > lighting in some scenes which Creber pointed
> > out.....Zaius's office scene was excellent...I
> noticed
> > a few things that I had not really noticed
> > brfore....more art in the museum and Z&C's walls
> and a
> > bubbling sink in the vet's office......
> >
> > THe audience was very responsive and laughed a
> lot
> > ....not only at Heston's lines but all of the
> "human
> > see, human do" type lines.....the "see no evil"
> > stuff....and a big cheer at Ongaro's
> death....Names in
> > the credits got applause as well......It was
> cool to
> > watch with other fans....
> >
> > I wondered as I watched how it must have felt to
> have
> > no idea that either ending was coming....how
> much of a
> > shock they must have been....especially everyone
> > getting gunned down then blown up in Beneath!
> >
> > Creber was cool......I asked about the original
> > concept for the spaceship.....was it ever
> thought of
> > as part of another ship or what? He said simply,
> they
> > did what they needed to see from the script and
> they
> > never thought of anymore ship....only what was
> > needed....he also said it stood at the gates of
> the
> > Fox studios for a long time but doesn't know
> where it
> > is....He DOES know where the miniature version
> (used
> > for the "sinking" shot) is and he's not telling!
> >
> > SO glad to have this week here and living and
> > breathing POTA.....like I said I'll give a more
> > detailed report when I get home and settled!
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > --- "Jeff K." veetus@... wrote:
> >
> > > I don't see any other review of this so I
> might as
> > > well, in the words of the oppressive humans,
> > > "TALK!". I admit I was not particularly
> interested
> > > in this because of the distance and I've seen
> POTA
> > > on the big screen in excellent prints so many
> times.
> > > But I went and it was worth it. POTA looked
> great as
> > > always but the good news is "Beneath" looked
> > > fantastic. These movies look like they were
> made
> > > today. I'd love to see the other 3 now that
> they
> > > have these great prints from the DVDs.
> Watching
> > > "Beneath" with all it's unique visuals was
> just
> > > incredible. The army marching, the ruined New
> York,
> > > Linda Harrison's tan, it looked like a blown
> up DVD.
> > > But it's film, baby. Of course the masks in
> the
> > > speech scene looked that much worse. Remember
> "Point
> > > Break", the presidents masks? That's what it
> > > reminded me of. They looked like "happy
> faces".
> > > Those kind of mistakes would probably be a
> minus in
> > > a wide release for the 40th anniversary but it
> would
> > > be great if Fox could do a limited "Go Ape"
> release
> > > for film buffs.
> > > Also on the bill was Eric Greene introducing
> the
> > > films and doing a Q & A with Bill Creber. Some
> of
> > > the things he mentioned that stick out, he was
> > > talking about how small the budget was on
> "Beneath"
> > > and how they had to reuse what they could
> find. The
> > > tube that Brent and Nova walk through, the
> tunnel?
> > > Roddy dies in that in "The Poseidon
> Adventure". He
> > > mentioned some of the mistakes that stick out
> for
> > > him in "Planet", like tracks in the sand from
> > > previous takes, or how set-like the sets look
> to
> > > him, especially the interior of the cave. If
> they
> > > did it today they would have backlit it more
> because
> > > the sun is coming from the opening. He said he
> > > wanted moodier lighting to disguise that it's
> Earth.
> > > But the studio wanted standard lighting for
> > > "safety". Can't have an image no one can see.
> > > Maybe the most interesting thing about this
> > > screening was how young the crowd was, they
> looked
> > > about college age. There were people of all
> ages but
> > > most were young. They seemed to eventually get
> into
> > > the movie but they laughed at Heston more than
> I've
> > > ever heard an audience before. Another point
> for the
> > > "camp classic" group. But they did seem to
> like the
> > > movie and respect it.
> > > The theater seemed about half full, maybe a
> little
> > > more and then about half left before
> "Beneath". The
> > > ones that stayed seemed into "Beneath" with
> all it's
> > > faults and applauded when the villain (Don
> Pedro
> > > Colley) died.
> > > I also got to meet Tim P. (tim "ape fan") from
> > > North Carolina and that was great. He told me
> his
> > > adventures visiting the locations this week
> and he
> > > couldn't ask for a better conclusion than to
> see
> > > those locations on the big screen. I don't
> know if
> > > anyone else from these groups was there.
> > > I won tickets to see the Doors (aka Riders on
> the
>
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Group: pota Message: 42954 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/13/2007
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I will agree that james Gregory steals the
picture....He was really excellent.....I love the way
his face gets when he says 'The Lawgiver bleeeeeds"...

Tim
--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/13/2007 6:31:12 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> john@... writes:
>
>
> > Well, I know I'll get shot to bits for this, but
> Beneath is my
> > pesonal favourite of the five.It has its flaws,
> yes and the budget
> > cuts certainly hurt it, but there are so many
> iconic images and
> > scenes in that film that it just burned itself
> onto my mind at an
> > early age.I'd love to see the arena scene on a big
> screen--despite
> > the crappy masks!I think James Gregory is
> astonishing as Ursus. John,
> > Scrolls.
> >
>
> I won't shoot you to bits. I agree that BENEATH has
> some good stuff in it,
> and in that crazy Sci-Fi way is often more visually
> striking than the original.
> Unfortunately, in its totality the movie is a mess,
> and because of its bleak
> final it really ends up amounting to a bunch of
> nothing. In terms of the
> APES series, you can skip BENEATH, go straight into
> ESCAPE from PLANET and have
> not missed much that matters.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 42955 From: drhasslein Date: 8/13/2007
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I love the original, and it is a classic that far outshines the
sequels, but it was the history, the diversity, the risks that were
taken with the sequels that put APES over the top for me... Had there
been just the original film, I wouldn't be the fanatic I was as a child
and continue to be thru adulthood.



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
Why the hell can't some of you
> APES fans allow the original classic to stand alone with its dignity
intact?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 42956 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/13/2007
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Had there been just the original film, I wouldn't be the fanatic I was as a child
and continue to be thru adulthood.


Not me.  I was a fanatic right after I saw PLANET for the first time in April 1968.

For me now it too often seems like the original movie got sent off in a spaceship in the very early seventies, crash-landed on the "Planet of Inferior Sequels and Juvenile TV Shows," and has been kept by APES fans ever since in a cage, with a lobotomy scar added.

-- Rory



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Group: pota Message: 42958 From: shanter2002 Date: 8/14/2007
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I feel that one of the great attractions of Apes is its
diversity.There's enough in there to pique most people's
tastes.There's little I don't like ( the Advenure comics series
mostly was awful).I love the comics--most don't.I love the novels--
many haven't read them.I love the tv series, many don't.I love the
original (who doesn't) and I love, equally, the sequels(on which some
are split in opinion).I even kind of like Burton's take, and really
like the novels that accompanied it.I love the merchandise and entire
Apes package.The recent anniversary edition was devoted solely to
Planet and that's fine, it's a classic in any sense.But the other
four, and the tv series, have never been given the proper 'extras'
treatment and, as virtually its own genre, I think an anniversary
set, done right, with commentary, pics etc, would be wonderful.Why
not have Linda, Mort and Ted do a commentary on Beneath,
Bradford/Eric/Ricardo do Escape, Ricardo and Don do Conquest and
Austin and Natalie do Battle? I know expense is a factor but hell,
how much longer will some of these human libraries be around? John,
Scrolls.
>
> In a message dated 8/13/2007 11:22:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> drhasslein@... writes:
>
>
> > Had there been just the original film, I wouldn't be the fanatic
I was as a
> > child
> > and continue to be thru adulthood.
> >
>
> Not me. I was a fanatic right after I saw PLANET for the first
time in April
> 1968.
>
> For me now it too often seems like the original movie got sent off
in a
> spaceship in the very early seventies, crash-landed on the "Planet
of Inferior
> Sequels and Juvenile TV Shows," and has been kept by APES fans ever
since in a
> cage, with a lobotomy scar added.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> **************************************
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Group: pota Message: 42959 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/14/2007
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> But the other
> four, and the tv series, have never been given the proper 'extras'
> treatment

Frankly, I'm surprised Fox has released them with what they have.
We're lucky to have had the Ape head (even if they did screw people
with the cartoon and its subsequent superior separate release).
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Group: pota Message: 42960 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/14/2007
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I always thought that was an urban legend. I've heard what you said, I've heard that the place burned down, so who knows for sure. I figure that if it was on the rooftop of an abandoned cafe, someone would have claimed it by now.
 
The thing is, there's potentially a way to track that (and the Alpha-Omega bomb prop) down, but it'd require someone on the West Coast doing an awful lot of leg (and road) work.
 
 
Chris L.
 
 
 
"LordTZer0@..." <LordTZer0@...> wrote:
 
>>Rusting on the roof of an abandon roadside cafe in Utah isn't it?
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Group: pota Message: 42961 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/14/2007
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Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! 'Dems fightin words there!!! Don't make me toss you down the Roddy tunnel...
 
 
Chris L.
 
 
 
"Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:
 
>>BENEATH really was just a cheap cash-in on the original. They had
some
intriguing ideas, but the whole movie was half-baked and looked like something made
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Group: pota Message: 42962 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/14/2007
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> That's a bit difficult since members of the group are spread across the
> country and the world.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@> wrote:
> >
> > Any one planing any ape parties or gathering or know of any?
> >
>
Of course...I understand that! I just wanted to know if any exist
period. That would indicate to me how deep the interest is and maybe
inspire myself to plan one locally where I live. Maybe others might
want to do the same......Who knows!
It would be nice to attend one if one was around....If not local to my
location or another member's location.
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Group: pota Message: 42963 From: James Date: 8/14/2007
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Where is your location?


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
> Of course...I understand that! I just wanted to know if any exist
> period. That would indicate to me how deep the interest is and maybe
> inspire myself to plan one locally where I live. Maybe others might
> want to do the same......Who knows!
> It would be nice to attend one if one was around....If not local to my
> location or another member's location.
>

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Group: pota Message: 42964 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: 45% off with the Head
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 Over at www.aintitcool.com  they have a listing of 45% off on the POTA Head collection (a 24 hour only sale), I think from Amazon. That's $98.99. No collection is complete without the cartoons in inferior quality. Anyway, it's over on the right under "Coaxial". Guess they weren't a sold out hit.
 
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Group: pota Message: 42965 From: James Date: 8/14/2007
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Group: pota Message: 42966 From: Melinda G Kettler Date: 8/14/2007
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    Hey y'all! I'm back from the Star Trek Convention in Vegas, and believe it
    or not, I DID find something that was POTA related! They had a large area
    in the dealers' room where different guests were signing autographs. Most
    of the guests there had small guest starring roles in the original Star Trek
    episodes. Well, I was walking around and came across a small midget of a
    man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of the various roles he
    has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape, and I asked him about it.
    I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary characters, especially
    when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played the little ape that sees
    Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is going on and says,
    "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody that had been in the
    original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and autograph so I could
    bring it back to share with y'all. I've attached it here. In a couple of
    days, when I've downloaded my own pics, I'll post the picture of Felix I
    took, as he looks today. Feel free to put either pic in the files section.

    Melinda :-)
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    Group: pota Message: 42967 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/14/2007
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    THAT IS SO COOL!!!!!

    On 8/14/07, Melinda G Kettler <mgkettler@...> wrote:

    Hey y'all! I'm back from the Star Trek Convention in Vegas, and believe it
    or not, I DID find something that was POTA related! They had a large area
    in the dealers' room where different guests were signing autographs. Most
    of the guests there had small guest starring roles in the original Star Trek
    episodes. Well, I was walking around and came across a small midget of a
    man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of the various roles he
    has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape, and I asked him about it.
    I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary characters, especially
    when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played the little ape that sees
    Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is going on and says,
    "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody that had been in the
    original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and autograph so I could
    bring it back to share with y'all. I've attached it here. In a couple of
    days, when I've downloaded my own pics, I'll post the picture of Felix I
    took, as he looks today. Feel free to put either pic in the files section.

    Melinda :-)





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    Hello,

    This email message is a notification to let you know that
    a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
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    File : /FelixSillaAttachment.jpg
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    You can access this file at the URL:
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    Group: pota Message: 42969 From: James Date: 8/14/2007
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    Thanks so much for sharing this with us Melinda! I was in Vegas (future site of Central City) last month. Went to the Star Trek Experience at the Hilton. Was the convention there?


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Melinda G Kettler" <mgkettler@...> wrote:
    >
    > Hey y'all! I'm back from the Star Trek Convention in Vegas, and believe it
    > or not, I DID find something that was POTA related! They had a large area
    > in the dealers' room where different guests were signing autographs. Most
    > of the guests there had small guest starring roles in the original Star Trek
    > episodes. Well, I was walking around and came across a small midget of a
    > man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of the various roles he
    > has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape, and I asked him about it.
    > I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary characters, especially
    > when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played the little ape that sees
    > Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is going on and says,
    > "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody that had been in the
    > original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and autograph so I could
    > bring it back to share with y'all. I've attached it here. In a couple of
    > days, when I've downloaded my own pics, I'll post the picture of Felix I
    > took, as he looks today. Feel free to put either pic in the files section.
    >
    > Melinda :-)
    >

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    Group: pota Message: 42970 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/14/2007
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    How cool is that??!
    Thanks for sharing Melinda...
    He also played Cousin Itt on "The Addams Family"

    Tim

    --- Melinda G Kettler <mgkettler@...> wrote:

    > Hey y'all! I'm back from the Star Trek Convention
    > in Vegas, and believe it
    > or not, I DID find something that was POTA related!
    > They had a large area
    > in the dealers' room where different guests were
    > signing autographs. Most
    > of the guests there had small guest starring roles
    > in the original Star Trek
    > episodes. Well, I was walking around and came
    > across a small midget of a
    > man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of
    > the various roles he
    > has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape,
    > and I asked him about it.
    > I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary
    > characters, especially
    > when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played
    > the little ape that sees
    > Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is
    > going on and says,
    > "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody
    > that had been in the
    > original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and
    > autograph so I could
    > bring it back to share with y'all. I've attached it
    > here. In a couple of
    > days, when I've downloaded my own pics, I'll post
    > the picture of Felix I
    > took, as he looks today. Feel free to put either
    > pic in the files section.
    >
    > Melinda :-)
    >
    >



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    Group: pota Message: 42971 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/14/2007
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    Wow, what a legend.

    It must be a nice feeling for these people to meet die-hard fans, so long after they appeared (in his case) hidden by their costumes in these films and shows.


     


    "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
    Sent by: pota@yahoogroups.com

    15/08/2007 08:35 a.m.
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    How cool is that??!
    Thanks for sharing Melinda...
    He also played Cousin Itt on "The Addams Family"

    Tim

    --- Melinda G Kettler <mgkettler@...> wrote:

    > Hey y'all!  I'm back from the Star Trek Convention
    > in Vegas, and believe it
    > or not, I DID find something  that was POTA related!
    >  They had a large area
    > in the dealers' room where different guests were
    > signing autographs.  Most
    > of the guests there had small guest starring roles
    > in the original Star Trek
    > episodes.  Well, I was walking around and came
    > across a small midget of a
    > man named Felix Silla.  He had all these pictures of
    > the various roles he
    > has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape,
    > and I asked him about it.
    >   I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary
    > characters, especially
    > when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played
    > the little ape that sees
    > Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is
    > going on and says,
    > "It's a man!"  I was flipping out to find somebody
    > that had been in the
    > original POTA movie!  So, I had to get the pic and
    > autograph so I could
    > bring it back to share with y'all.  I've attached it
    > here.  In a couple of
    > days, when I've downloaded my own pics, I'll post
    > the picture of Felix I
    > took, as he looks today.  Feel free to put either
    > pic in the files section.
    >
    > Melinda :-)
    >
    >



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    Group: pota Message: 42972 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/14/2007
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    In a message dated 8/14/2007 12:48:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mgkettler@... writes:
    Hey y'all! I'm back from the Star Trek Convention in Vegas,
     
    Did you go to the Hilton for the Star Trek Experience?
     




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    Group: pota Message: 42973 From: aboro3085 Date: 8/15/2007
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    Or did you go to Paris for the Hilton Experience?


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

    > Did you go to the Hilton for the Star Trek Experience?
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    Group: pota Message: 42974 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/15/2007
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    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Where is your location?
    >
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@> wrote:
    > > Of course...I understand that! I just wanted to know if any exist
    > > period. That would indicate to me how deep the interest is and maybe
    > > inspire myself to plan one locally where I live. Maybe others might
    > > want to do the same......Who knows!
    > > It would be nice to attend one if one was around....If not local to my
    > > location or another member's location.
    > >
    >
    San Fernando Valley, California
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    Group: pota Message: 42975 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/15/2007
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    Well then you just list it for what you think it's worth as the opening bid. If it doesn't sell, then you haven't lost that much. Do it when eBay has one of those listing sales and all you've lost is 10 cents if it doesn't go.
     
     
    Chris L.
     
     
     
    "stenosaurus@..." <stenosaurus@...> wrote:
     
    >>I've purposely held back selling certain items that I know are
    worth more than I would probably get for them on eBay rather than take what I can get.<<<.html
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    Group: pota Message: 42976 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/15/2007
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    Pretty sure he was pulling those prices out of his ass. I was actually in touch with him not too long ago, and he was selling off the majority of his collection as well. For inflated prices. Makes you wonder if that guide was self-serving. The first time I went to visit he had some things I wanted to buy UNTIL he e-mailed me the price list. One thing that sticks out was the $40 or $50 he wanted for the BENEATH Herald. When I finally got one on eBay, it was $10 and in almost brand new condition. Not bad for a 35 year old promo freebie.
     
     
    Chris L.
     
     
     
    "brendan486" <nzape@...> wrote:
     
    >>I still can't get over the Unofficial Apes Collectors Guide pricing
    a UK wrapping paper at $250 US when it regularly turns up on ebay
    for under £5.00 ($10.00) Or a colouring book at $15.00 when you can
    get them at $2.00-$5.00. <<
     
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    Group: pota Message: 42977 From: Chris Lawless Date: 8/15/2007
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    No BENEATH on the marquee? Damn. No respect at all.
     
     
    Chris L.
     
     
     
    "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
     
    >>Several people have had this happen. Damn Yahoo!

    Here's a link to the pic:
    http://movies. groups.yahoo. com/group/ pota/spnew<<
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    Group: pota Message: 42978 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 8/15/2007
    Subject: Re: eBay
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    In a message dated 8/15/2007 6:16:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:
    Well then you just list it for what you think it's worth as the opening bid. If it doesn't sell, then you haven't lost that much. Do it when eBay has one of those listing sales and all you've lost is 10 cents if it doesn't go.
     
     
    Chris L.
     
    Since posting that message I had a particularly good 'selling week' on eBay so I am going to follow your advice and list them anyway with a reasonable  minimum opening bid. We'll see what happens.
     
    Bruce 




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    Group: pota Message: 42979 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/15/2007
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      They added it for the night of the screening!


      --- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

      > No BENEATH on the marquee? Damn. No respect at all.
      >
      >
      > Chris L.


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      Group: pota Message: 42980 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/15/2007
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      In a message dated 8/15/2007 12:20:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aboro3085@... writes:
      Or did you go to Paris for the Hilton Experience?
      That's a totally different ride,
      I think.
      One they beam you up to a Starship.
      The other you just stumble around
      having sex with a Nightvision Cam.
      Oddly enough, the lines are about the same.
       




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      Group: pota Message: 42981 From: Rich Handley Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 3731
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      At 04:00 AM 8/15/2007, you wrote:
      >Posted by: "aboro3085" aboro3085@... aboro3085
      >Or did you go to Paris for the Hilton Experience?

      And if so, did you immediately see your doctor for penicillin?
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      Group: pota Message: 42982 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
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      Did you go to the Planet/Beneath showing at the Aero in Santa Monica last Friday?


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
      >
      > San Fernando Valley, California
      >

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      Group: pota Message: 42983 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
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      Ouch! That must be painful. LOL


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
      > having sex with a Nightvision Cam.

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      Group: pota Message: 42984 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
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      Hey no bad puns here;-)


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
      >
      > Or did you go to Paris for the Hilton Experience?
      >

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      Group: pota Message: 42985 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: Planet/Beneath Double Feature
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      Thanks Tim!

      http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
      >
      > They added it for the night of the screening!
      >
      >
      > --- Chris Lawless lawford42@... wrote:
      >
      > > No BENEATH on the marquee? Damn. No respect at all.
      > >
      > >
      > > Chris L.
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42986 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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      .html.htmlIn a message dated 8/14/2007 4:20:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, john@... writes:


      The recent anniversary edition was devoted solely to
      Planet and that's fine, it's a classic in any sense.But the other
      four, and the tv series, have never been given the proper 'extras'
      treatment and, as virtually its own genre, I think an anniversary
      set, done right, with commentary, pics etc, would be wonderful.


      Yeah, it would be very nice.  I'm hoping something will be done for the 40th, but I fear Fox has milked the APES too much already on DVD.

      -- Rory



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      Group: pota Message: 42987 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
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      .html.htmlIn a message dated 8/14/2007 1:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, billhollweg@... writes:


      Well, I was walking around and came across a small midget of a
      man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of the various roles he
      has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape, and I asked him about it.
      I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary characters, especially
      when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played the little ape that sees
      Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is going on and says,
      "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody that had been in the
      original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and autograph so I could
      bring it back to share with y'all.


      About a year and a half ago I was in a Barnes & Noble bookstore and looked at a book about Hollywood's makeup artists, and it had in it a fantastic series of photos of John Chambers making up Felix Silla as that boy gorilla.  I'd never seen them before.

      Can't remember the name of the book now.  Dammit.

      -- Rory



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      Group: pota Message: 42988 From: James Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA Double Feature
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      True. They've released the original 4 times on DVD. Most likely any additional extras will have to wait until the Blu-Ray release, whenever that is.


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
      >
      >
      > Yeah, it would be very nice. I'm hoping something will be done for the 40th,
      > but I fear Fox has milked the APES too much already on DVD.
      >
      > -- Rory
      >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 42989 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
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      .html
      In a message dated 8/15/2007 1:14:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
      Can't remember the name of the book now.  Dammit.

      -- Rory
       
      I think I have that pic in one of my makeup books.
      It's called Making A Monster.




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      Group: pota Message: 42990 From: jose ramon Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
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      I belive that I have scans of that photos somewhere.
      I am going to search.
      JR

      Haristas@... wrote:
      In a message dated 8/14/2007 1:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, billhollweg@ gmail.com writes:


      Well, I was walking around and came across a small midget of a
      man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of the various roles he
      has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape, and I asked him about it.
      I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary characters, especially
      when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played the little ape that sees
      Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is going on and says,
      "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody that had been in the
      original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and autograph so I could
      bring it back to share with y'all.


      About a year and a half ago I was in a Barnes & Noble bookstore and looked at a book about Hollywood's makeup artists, and it had in it a fantastic series of photos of John Chambers making up Felix Silla as that boy gorilla.  I'd never seen them before.

      Can't remember the name of the book now.  Dammit.

      -- Rory



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      Group: pota Message: 42991 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/15/2007
      Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
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      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Did you go to the Planet/Beneath showing at the Aero in Santa Monica
      > last Friday?
      >
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@> wrote:
      > >
      > > San Fernando Valley, California
      > >
      >
      I didn't even know about it!
      Though that was due in part to not being online to catch the date of
      the showing. How was it?
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      Group: pota Message: 42992 From: shanter2002 Date: 8/16/2007
      Subject: CULT TV UK
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      For UK based enthusiasts, there's a Cult TV Weekender coming up on 19-
      22 October 2007 just outside Oxford. Ron Harper is going to be there,
      as well as Jared Martin and Ike Eisenmann from The Fantastic Journey,
      the guys from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Heather Menzies from
      tv's Logan's Run and even Huggy Bear. Details on www.cult.tv .Any Apes
      fans going should hook up. It's not yet confirmed what day/s Ron will
      be there, but we can phone the week before to check, I'm told.There's
      Awards to vote for and I've just voted for the Apes tv series, Rod
      Serling and Lalo Schifrin in their respective categories because I'm
      not at all biased. John, Scrolls.
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      Group: pota Message: 42993 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/16/2007
      Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
      .html
      > I think I have that pic in one of my makeup books.
      > It's called Making A Monster.

      No, it's not MAKING A MONSTER. That one does have some great
      pictures, but none of them include Felix Silla.

      Hunter
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      Group: pota Message: 42994 From: jose ramon Date: 8/16/2007
      Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
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      Attachments :
        This is one of my preferred apes, and an example of the diversity of roles in "Planet". He looks like the children in the Hichcock´s movies, always in the wrong place and in the wrong time.
        Here are he pics, the make up is amazing.
        JR

        jose ramon <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
        I belive that I have scans of that photos somewhere.
        I am going to search.
        JR

        Haristas@aol. com wrote:
        In a message dated 8/14/2007 1:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, billhollweg@ gmail.com writes:


        Well, I was walking around and came across a small midget of a
        man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of the various roles he
        has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape, and I asked him about it.
        I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary characters, especially
        when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played the little ape that sees
        Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is going on and says,
        "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody that had been in the
        original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and autograph so I could
        bring it back to share with y'all.


        About a year and a half ago I was in a Barnes & Noble bookstore and looked at a book about Hollywood's makeup artists, and it had in it a fantastic series of photos of John Chambers making up Felix Silla as that boy gorilla.  I'd never seen them before.

        Can't remember the name of the book now.  Dammit.

        -- Rory



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        Subject: New file uploaded to pota
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        Hello,

        This email message is a notification to let you know that
        a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
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        Subject: New file uploaded to pota
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        Group: pota Message: 42997 From: Melinda G Kettler Date: 8/16/2007
        Subject: Felix Silla Today
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        Attachments :
          Here is a shot from the convention of what Felix Silla looks like today.
          Feel free to upload anywhere.

          Melinda
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          Group: pota Message: 42998 From: James Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
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          Thanks Jose and Melinda. Great pics!

          http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ files/Felix. jpg

          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/silla.jpg

          BTW What book is the from Jose?

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          Group: pota Message: 42999 From: James Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: New this week on Hunter's site
          .html

          Thanks to Melinda, the autograph of Felix Silla has been added to the Ape-ographs page. Mr. Silla played the child gorilla in the funeral scene in Planet of the Apes.

          Issue #4 of  Marvel Comics' Adventures on the Planet of the Apes is available for download. They recycled the artwork from the original magazines, but this time, they're in color. This issue presents Part 4 of Marvel's adaption of the original PLANET OF THE APES.

          https://pota.goatley.com/

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          Group: pota Message: 43000 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Scans of the POTA comic mags from the 70's
          .html

          http://my.opera.com/xyzcosmonaut/blog/show.dml/661822
          --
          Bill Hollweg
          Have Sword...
               Will Slay...
                  Barbarian in need of Ale...
          Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
          Bill Hollweg
          Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
          www.brokensea.net
          The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
          http://www.brokensea.com and
          http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
          Planet of the Apes at
          http://www.brokensea.com and
          Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
          http://www.brokensea.com and
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          Group: pota Message: 43001 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: New Epiosde of Planet of the Apes is ONLINE
          .html

          The Planet Of the Apes: Episode 10- Chapter #9

          Taylor finds Landon alive, after months of captivity, at Dr Zaius' discretion, followed by his trial ending in it's predestined nightmare… While in the Forbidden Zone- General Ursus finds horror has befallen his scouting party at the edge of the Forbidden Zone, Dr Zaius is shocked to the core by Ursus' discovery, and Dr Milo begins his quest in the Forbidden Zone, but is it a quest into the past or the future?

          Thank you for your support! Hope you enjoy the episode!

          Starring in this Episode are

          Mark Kalita as Cornelius and the Lawgiver
          Bill Hollweg as Taylor and Fendarr
          Natasha Lathrop as Dr. Zira
          Dave Sobkowiak as Dr Maximus
          June Lathrop as the Dr Honorious
          Victoria Sampson as Ape President
          Paul Mannering as General Ursus
          Gareth Preston as Dr Zaius
          Colin Snow as Gorilla Lt. #4 & #5
          Mary Bollinger as Ceressa
          And We have some SPECIAL GUEST voice actors in tonight's episode!

          From the POTAyahoo group, who ROCK!
          Glen Witco Scheetz & Dustin Anthony Scheetz return again as various Gorillas <#1 & #2> and The Baliff
          Check out Glen's AWESOME art at the POTAyahoo group!
          http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/?yguid=273809559

          And our Second Special Guest is:
          Jack Ward from- THE SONIC SOCIETY! As Dr MILO!!!!!
          who featured our Planet of the Apes Audio Drama as well as our Logan's Run Audio Drama in the month of MAY!
          The SOCIETY ROX!!!!
          Check them out at http://www.sonicsociety.org

          Jack Ward and Shannon Hilche ROCK!!
          http://sonic.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2007&post_month=05

          I would also like to thank James of The Lessons From the Lawgiver for tonight's AWESOME LESSON
          - Written by Dave Ballard!!!!
          (This has to be one of my Fave Lesson!!! Though I love them all- LOL)

          To all who are a part of this production or one of the listeners- I thank you and am humbled by your continued support of this audio dream of mine! Thank You!

          Bill Hollweg- Writer/Producer of POTA



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               Will Slay...
                  Barbarian in need of Ale...
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          http://www.brokensea.com and
          http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
          Planet of the Apes at
          http://www.brokensea.com and
          Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
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          Group: pota Message: 43002 From: jose ramon Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
          .html
          I can not remember the name of the book. It was on the house of a friend of mine, an makeup artist, this was an old technical book about makeup. It was 6 years ago, unfortunately, my friend moved of house and I lost the contact.
          JR

          James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
          Thanks Jose and Melinda. Great pics!
          BTW What book is the from Jose?


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          Group: pota Message: 43003 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
          .html
          These are excellent JR thank you! Seeing the film on
          the screen the whole funeral scene was
          interesting....would love to see it again only slowed
          down just to see who all is in there...


          --- jose ramon <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:

          > This is one of my preferred apes, and an example of
          > the diversity of roles in "Planet". He looks like
          > the children in the Hichcock´s movies, always in the
          > wrong place and in the wrong time.
          > Here are he pics, the make up is amazing.
          > JR
          >
          > jose ramon <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
          > I belive that I have scans of that
          > photos somewhere.
          > I am going to search.
          > JR
          >
          > Haristas@... wrote:
          > In a message dated 8/14/2007 1:57:42 PM
          > Eastern Standard Time, billhollweg@... writes:
          >
          >
          > Well, I was walking around and came across a small
          > midget of a
          > man named Felix Silla. He had all these pictures of
          > the various roles he
          > has played, and he had a pic of himself as an ape,
          > and I asked him about it.
          > I'm not good about knowing the names of secondary
          > characters, especially
          > when they have all the ape makeup on, but he played
          > the little ape that sees
          > Taylor sneaking around when that memorial service is
          > going on and says,
          > "It's a man!" I was flipping out to find somebody
          > that had been in the
          > original POTA movie! So, I had to get the pic and
          > autograph so I could
          > bring it back to share with y'all.
          >
          > About a year and a half ago I was in a Barnes &
          > Noble bookstore and looked at a book about
          > Hollywood's makeup artists, and it had in it a
          > fantastic series of photos of John Chambers making
          > up Felix Silla as that boy gorilla. I'd never seen
          > them before.
          >
          > Can't remember the name of the book now. Dammit.
          >
          > -- Rory
          >
          >
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          Group: pota Message: 43004 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Is this Paula Christ??
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          Group: pota Message: 43005 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Bond (OT) Re: [POTA] Digest Number 3722
          .html
          Not a whole lote of stuff......some toy cars and the
          small figures...LOTS of trading cards! and press
          material....


          --- Shane Miller <masonverger12@...> wrote:

          > What kind of Bond stuff do you have? I have a big
          > collection also.
          >
          > --- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
          >
          > > I'm keeping all my Ape stuff but selling
          > EVERYTHING
          > > else.....well....maybe not the Bond stuff just
          > > yet....
          > >
          > > Tim
          > >
          > > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
          > >
          > > >
          > > > In a message dated 8/6/2007 10:13:09 A.M.
          > Central
          > > > Daylight Time,
          > > > readingrob@... writes:
          > > >
          > > > Most of my original collection went when I was
          > in
          > > > my mid twenties when I
          > > > started building a family. When I hit 41 I
          > wanted
          > > it
          > > > all back.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > It comes and goes.
          > > > It depends on my other interests.
          > > > I watch less anime as well, but
          > > > I'm a sucker for a good story.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
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          > > > peek of the all-new AOL at
          > > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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          > >
          > >
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          Group: pota Message: 43006 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Re: Is this Paula Christ??
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          Jesus' sister?

           


          "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
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          Group: pota Message: 43007 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
          .html
          .html
           Here they go again. Fox is getting ready to remake another one from the vaults: "Variety" announced that Roland Emmerich (maker of Fox's hit science fiction sitcoms "Independence Day" and "The Day After Tomorrow) will direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage" (1966?). The original, about scientists who shrink down and enter the human body, made POTA possible because of it's box office success. James Cameron's company Lightstorm will produce, a situation he had with POTA a decade ago but nothing came of it. In fact, a decade ago Fox approached Emmerich about directing POTA but, according to Eric Greene, he turned it down because you can't remake a classic. He did "Godzilla" instead. Personally, I can't stand Emmerich's movies but with Cameron involved I have hope. I'm more interested in the movie Cameron is directing for Fox, "Avatar" (reportedly an incredible script). In any case, a thoughtful "Fantastic Voyage" that makes money could give Fox back the marbles they've lost when it comes to sci-fi. Remakes of "Invasion of the body Snatchers" ("The Invasion") and "Day the Earth Stood Still" are arriving soon.
           
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          Group: pota Message: 43008 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/16/2007
          Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            And Weta Workshops (fx for Lord of The Rings among other great movies) are doing the FX for Avatar as well.


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             Here they go again. Fox is getting ready to remake another one from the vaults: "Variety" announced that Roland Emmerich (maker of Fox's hit science fiction sitcoms "Independence Day" and "The Day After Tomorrow) will direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage" (1966?). The original, about scientists who shrink down and enter the human body, made POTA possible because of it's box office success. James Cameron's company Lightstorm will produce, a situation he had with POTA a decade ago but nothing came of it. In fact, a decade ago Fox approached Emmerich about directing POTA but, according to Eric Greene, he turned it down because you can't remake a classic. He did "Godzilla" instead. Personally, I can't stand Emmerich's movies but with Cameron involved I have hope. I'm more interested in the movie Cameron is directing for Fox, "Avatar" (reportedly an incredible script). In any case, a thoughtful "Fantastic Voyage" that makes money could give Fox back the marbles they've lost when it comes to sci-fi. Remakes of "Invasion of the body Snatchers" ("The Invasion") and "Day the Earth Stood Still" are arriving soon.
             



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            Group: pota Message: 43009 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/16/2007
            Subject: Great '68 review
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            Found this in the March 10, 1968 issue of LIFE
            magazine......

            LIFE Magazine Movie Review
            March 1968

            Second Thoughts on Ape-Men
            By Richard Schickel

            When I saw Planet of the Apes a couple of months ago,
            I liked it—an ingenious, adventurous, humorous,
            deliciously, spooky example of one of my favorite
            popular genres, science fiction, that was smartly made
            and contained a useful moral or two. I should have
            trusted my instincts, stood up and proclaimed my
            affectionate regard for the thing right off.
            Any sensible child, as I will shortly demonstrate,
            would have done so automatically. But there are times
            when a critic cannot or will not respond as a child,
            which is perhaps the worst of all errors when he is
            dealing with American films, since they have almost no
            art tradition and therefore impose a unique regressive
            obligation on those who would try to appreciate them
            at their proper level. On the other hand, the number
            of true movie entertainments is, curiously, somewhat
            lower these days than the number of works that aspire
            to the higher things, and one really ought to stay
            alert and less stodgy about the genuinely good
            low-caste stuff.
            Two factors contributed to my sense of guilt about
            this error. One was the slowly dawning conviction that
            Planet is the best American movie I have seen so far
            this year. Considering the competition, that is,
            perhaps, faint praise, but the movie is at least
            alive. By this I mean that it is alive to—and
            delighted with—it’s own possibilities. Care is taken
            to develop all the implications of it’s basic
            premise—the whole sociology of a world run by simians
            is exhaustively laid out for us—and there is none of
            that perfunctory air that is depending solely on an
            oddly arresting gimmick and whose makers lack the wit
            or creative energy to do something with it. Even more
            pleasing, Director Franklin Shaffner, Screenwriters
            Rod Serling and Michael Wilson and their cast are in
            no way tempted to let us know that they feel superior
            to the fairy story they’re telling. So many of our
            commercial technicians think they are better than
            their material and try to indicate it to us by
            invoking the distancing spirit of camp. Creative
            people no less than critics are concerned to keep
            their cultural credentials in order, mostly by winking
            broadly at us, nudging us furiously in the ribs and
            saying, at least by implication, “Just kidding, folks,
            I’m really Shakespeare in drag.”
            The other, and more important, reason for this tardy
            recantation was my daughter’s response to Planet.
            She’s only four, but her buddies down the street liked
            the movie so much that they had to see it a second
            time—24 hours after the first exposure—and she was
            invited along. Her inner life has not been the same
            since. The movie is on her mind and in her mind in a
            way that no other movie she’s ever seen is—out of her
            lifetime list of about 30.

            Sure, they hooked her with the excitement of a
            crashing rocket, the exploration of desert and
            mountains, all those hairy scary creatures tormenting
            Charlton Heston and chasing him all over the place and
            so on. But they also taught her something—that
            animals, and by implication all creatures different
            from her, are capable of feeling. It taught her, she
            tells me in her own way, that they can be scared of
            the unfamiliar and therefore as foolish as prejudiced
            as more familiar beings can be.
            I have preached this to her and she has been exposed
            to it as she watched bland kid stuff of the
            Lassie-Gentle Ben variety. But no one has had the wit
            to vivify it by a simple, radical reversal of the kind
            we see in Planet of the Apes, where creatures we are
            taught to believe are inferior are suddenly so
            superior that they have the power to lock up odd
            specimens like Heston in a zoo and run a few
            experiments on him to test the causes of his obvious
            inadequacy.
            Yes, I suppose Erika was occasionally scared by the
            movie. But what is childhood without a few delicious
            cases of the creeps (the violence depicted here is, by
            the way, not quite so intense as you’ll find down at
            your neighborhood playground)? And what does a case of
            the creeps matter anyway if you learn something
            worthwhile from it and it is part of an authentic,
            totally engaging experience instead of just a way to
            kill a rainy Saturday, as most children’s movies—and
            literature—are?
            By the way, Erika just wandered by and asked me what
            I was doing. When I told her, she asked, “Are you
            writing about how we gotta see it again?” The answer,
            of course, was “yes.”









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            Group: pota Message: 43010 From: drhasslein Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            Roland Emmerich should have his filmmaking licence revoked.

            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
            >
            > Here they go again. Fox is getting ready to remake another one
            from the vaults: "Variety" announced that Roland Emmerich (maker of
            Fox's hit science fiction sitcoms "Independence Day" and "The Day
            After Tomorrow) will direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage" (1966?).
            The original, about scientists who shrink down and enter the human
            body, made POTA possible because of it's box office success. James
            Cameron's company Lightstorm will produce, a situation he had with
            POTA a decade ago but nothing came of it. In fact, a decade ago Fox
            approached Emmerich about directing POTA but, according to Eric
            Greene, he turned it down because you can't remake a classic. He
            did "Godzilla" instead. Personally, I can't stand Emmerich's movies
            but with Cameron involved I have hope. I'm more interested in the
            movie Cameron is directing for Fox, "Avatar" (reportedly an
            incredible script). In any case, a thoughtful "Fantastic Voyage" that
            makes money could give Fox back the marbles they've lost when it
            comes to sci-fi. Remakes of "Invasion of the body Snatchers" ("The
            Invasion") and "Day the Earth Stood Still" are arriving soon.
            >
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            Group: pota Message: 43011 From: Teddy Paw Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: POTA Gatherings
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            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
            >
            > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > Did you go to the Planet/Beneath showing at the Aero in Santa Monica
            > > last Friday?
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy Paw" <teddypawpad@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > San Fernando Valley, California
            > > >
            > >
            > I didn't even know about it!
            > Though that was due in part to not being online to catch the date of
            > the showing. How was it?
            >
            I'm online more often now. So I'll be watching for special local
            showings and if I or anyone else spot one coming up, let everyone here
            know so they can plan for it. I'll do the same if I spot one far
            enough in advance.
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            Group: pota Message: 43012 From: jose ramon Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            I ever think that "Innerspace" was a remake of "Fantastc Voyage". I am afraid that they can do some thing simmilar, I have nothing against "Innerspace", it is a funny picture, but nothing to do with the original.
            JR

            "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
             Here they go again. Fox is getting ready to remake another one from the vaults: "Variety" announced that Roland Emmerich (maker of Fox's hit science fiction sitcoms "Independence Day" and "The Day After Tomorrow) will direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage" (1966?). The original, about scientists who shrink down and enter the human body, made POTA possible because of it's box office success. James Cameron's company Lightstorm will produce, a situation he had with POTA a decade ago but nothing came of it. In fact, a decade ago Fox approached Emmerich about directing POTA but, according to Eric Greene, he turned it down because you can't remake a classic. He did "Godzilla" instead. Personally, I can't stand Emmerich's movies but with Cameron involved I have hope. I'm more interested in the movie Cameron is directing for Fox, "Avatar" (reportedly an incredible script). In any case, a thoughtful "Fantastic Voyage" that makes money could give Fox back the marbles they've lost when it comes to sci-fi. Remakes of "Invasion of the body Snatchers" ("The Invasion") and "Day the Earth Stood Still" are arriving soon.
             


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            Group: pota Message: 43013 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Back From Star Trek Convention
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            In a message dated 8/16/2007 4:05:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:
            No, it's not MAKING A MONSTER. That one does have some great
            pictures, but none of them include Felix Silla.
             
            Let me know if you remember.
            I'd like to add it to the collection.
             




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            Group: pota Message: 43014 From: Shane Miller Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Bond (OT) Re: [POTA] Digest Number 3722
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            ARe they the old cards? I am looking for some from
            the original "Thunderball" series.
            --- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

            > Not a whole lote of stuff......some toy cars and the
            > small figures...LOTS of trading cards! and press
            > material....
            >
            >
            > --- Shane Miller <masonverger12@...> wrote:
            >
            > > What kind of Bond stuff do you have? I have a big
            > > collection also.
            > >
            > > --- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > > I'm keeping all my Ape stuff but selling
            > > EVERYTHING
            > > > else.....well....maybe not the Bond stuff just
            > > > yet....
            > > >
            > > > Tim
            > > >
            > > > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > In a message dated 8/6/2007 10:13:09 A.M.
            > > Central
            > > > > Daylight Time,
            > > > > readingrob@... writes:
            > > > >
            > > > > Most of my original collection went when I
            > was
            > > in
            > > > > my mid twenties when I
            > > > > started building a family. When I hit 41 I
            > > wanted
            > > > it
            > > > > all back.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > It comes and goes.
            > > > > It depends on my other interests.
            > > > > I watch less anime as well, but
            > > > > I'm a sucker for a good story.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ************************************** Get a
            > > sneak
            > > > > peek of the all-new AOL at
            > > > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
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            Group: pota Message: 43015 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            .html.htmlIn a message dated 8/16/2007 8:41:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


            In any case, a thoughtful "Fantastic Voyage" that makes money could give Fox back the marbles they've lost when it comes to sci-fi. Remakes of "Invasion of the body Snatchers" ("The Invasion") and "Day the Earth Stood Still" are arriving soon.


            Early word of mouth on THE INVASION is.... not surprisingly.....

            THAT IT SUCKS!!!!!!

            Remakes of EARTH STOOD STILL and FANTASTIC VOYAGE will suck too, I predict.  Oh, SFX will be CGI "wonders," but a decade after their release people will still be taking about the originals and have already forgotten the remakes (i.e., POTA2001 and Jackson's KING KONG).

            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 43016 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Great '68 review
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            .html.htmlIn a message dated 8/16/2007 11:17:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:


            By the way, Erika just wandered by and asked me what
            I was doing. When I told her, she asked, "Are you
            writing about how we gotta see it again?" The answer,
            of course, was "yes."


            I remember this review.  Anyway, I wonder if little Erika still remembers POTA?

            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 43017 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
            .html
            .html.htmlIn a message dated 8/17/2007 5:57:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, joseramonruizdiez@... writes:


            I have nothing against "Innerspace", it is a funny picture, but nothing to do with the original.
            JR


            That would be because it wasn't a remake of FANTASTIC VOYAGE.....

            But it did have a Jerry Goldsmith score!  Leonard "BENEATH" Rosenman scored FANTASTIC VOYAGE!

            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 43018 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
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            Recently EW paid tribute to 40 films with the greatest endings. As usual they pandered to present day pop culture and pick mostly movies from the last 10 years and threw in a few classics to retain an appearance of credibilty. Missing from the list is PLANET OF THE APES. They also left off PSYCHO and CITIZEN KANE which shows how misguided this list is.

            However, EW has provided a comments page: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/08/best-movie-endi.htmlcomment-79779381 where readers can give their opinion. I urge everyone to take a few minutes today and post a comment complaining about the omission of POTA. Thanks.

             

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            Group: pota Message: 43019 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            Most remakes suck when compared to the original. You mention "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". How many remember the '70s remake with Donald Sutherland and Leonard Nimoy? Or the '70s remake of "King Kong" with Jessica Lange? Not many. The classic originals are what people remember. The some will be true with POTA. That's why most of the recent merchandising from the Sideshow figures to the MR Comics are based on the original films. The remake is already fading from the public's memory.

             


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
            >
            > In a message dated 8/16/2007 8:41:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
            > veetus@... writes:
            >
            >
            > > In any case, a thoughtful "Fantastic Voyage" that makes money could give
            > > Fox back the marbles they've lost when it comes to sci-fi. Remakes of "Invasion
            > > of the body Snatchers" ("The Invasion") and "Day the Earth Stood Still" are
            > > arriving soon.
            >
            > Early word of mouth on THE INVASION is.... not surprisingly.....
            >
            > THAT IT SUCKS!!!!!!
            >
            > Remakes of EARTH STOOD STILL and FANTASTIC VOYAGE will suck too, I predict.
            > Oh, SFX will be CGI "wonders," but a decade after their release people will
            > still be taking about the originals and have already forgotten the remakes
            > (i.e., POTA2001 and Jackson's KING KONG).
            >
            > -- Rory
            >
            >
            > **************************************
            > Get a sneak peek of the all-new
            > AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 43020 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
            .html
            .html.htmlIn a message dated 8/17/2007 10:33:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:


            Recently EW paid tribute to 40 films with the greatest endings. As usual they pandered to present day pop culture and pick mostly movies from the last 10 years and threw in a few classics to retain an appearance of credibilty. Missing from the list is PLANET OF THE APES. They also left off PSYCHO and CITIZEN KANE which shows how misguided this list is.



            I'll say!  Forget POTA -- No CITIZEN KANE?!!!!  This is a list from the "Planet of the Morons"!

            It's time to not pay any further attention to such lists.  What do they prove or what purpose are they?  Just filler for some such mag or whatever.  PHOOEY!

            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 43021 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
            .html
            .html.htmlIn a message dated 8/17/2007 10:47:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:


            You mention "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". How many remember the '70s remake with Donald Sutherland and Leonard Nimoy?


            Funny, that just got a 2-disc S.E. release on DVD on August 10th.  Somebody must remember and like it.

            Anyway, it sucks!  The original INVASION still awaits the kind of DVD Special Edition treatment it deserves.

            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 43022 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Great '68 review
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              Yeah, I remember a critic wrote a second review and liked POTA2001 less. Would've been great if it was Schickel.
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:13 AM
            Subject: [POTA] Re: Great '68 review

            In a message dated 8/16/2007 11:17:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@yahoo. com writes:


            By the way, Erika just wandered by and asked me what
            I was doing. When I told her, she asked, "Are you
            writing about how we gotta see it again?" The answer,
            of course, was "yes."


            I remember this review.  Anyway, I wonder if little Erika still remembers POTA?

            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 43023 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            .html
              I thought the '78 "Body Snatchers" was pretty good. So did sci-fi dean Harlan Ellison. The Golden Turkey Award goes to the "Body Snatcher" they made in the '90's.
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: James
            Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:43 AM
            Subject: [POTA] Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"

            Most remakes suck when compared to the original. You mention "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". How many remember the '70s remake with Donald Sutherland and Leonard Nimoy? Or the '70s remake of "King Kong" with Jessica Lange? Not many. The classic originals are what people remember. The some will be true with POTA. That's why most of the recent merchandising from the Sideshow figures to the MR Comics are based on the original films. The remake is already fading from the public's memory.

             


            --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
            >
            > In a message dated 8/16/2007 8:41:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
            > veetus@... writes:
            >
            >
            > > In any case, a thoughtful "Fantastic Voyage" that makes money could give
            > > Fox back the marbles they've lost when it comes to sci-fi. Remakes of "Invasion
            > > of the body Snatchers" ("The Invasion") and "Day the Earth Stood Still" are
            > > arriving soon.
            >
            > Early word of mouth on THE INVASION is.... not surprisingly. ....
            >
            > THAT IT SUCKS!!!!!!
            >
            > Remakes of EARTH STOOD STILL and FANTASTIC VOYAGE will suck too, I predict.
            > Oh, SFX will be CGI "wonders," but a decade after their release people will
            > still be taking about the originals and have already forgotten the remakes
            > (i.e., POTA2001 and Jackson's KING KONG).
            >
            > -- Rory
            >
            >
            > ************ ********* ********* ********
            > Get a sneak peek of the all-new
            > AOL at http://discover. aol.com/memed/ aolcom30tour
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            Group: pota Message: 43024 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
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              What the hell could they pick from the last 10 years? The endings were great because they meant the movies were over!  Did they pick POTA2001?
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: James
            Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:28 AM
            Subject: [POTA] Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings

            Recently EW paid tribute to 40 films with the greatest endings. As usual they pandered to present day pop culture and pick mostly movies from the last 10 years and threw in a few classics to retain an appearance of credibilty. Missing from the list is PLANET OF THE APES. They also left off PSYCHO and CITIZEN KANE which shows how misguided this list is.

            However, EW has provided a comments page: http://popwatch. ew.com/popwatch/ 2007/08/best- movie-endi..htmlcomment- 79779381 where readers can give their opinion. I urge everyone to take a few minutes today and post a comment complaining about the omission of POTA. Thanks.

             

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            Group: pota Message: 43025 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Lesson from the Lawgiver
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            To view the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

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            Group: pota Message: 43026 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            Or someone is taking advantage of the publicity around the remake and that the original is not out on DVD.


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
            >
            > Funny, that just got a 2-disc S.E. release on DVD on August 10th. Somebody
            > must remember and like it.
            >
            > Anyway, it sucks! The original INVASION still awaits the kind of DVD Special
            > Edition treatment it deserves.
            >
            > -- Rory
            >
            >
            > **************************************
            > Get a sneak peek of the all-new
            > AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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            Group: pota Message: 43027 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: OT: Emmerich/Cameron to remake "F. Voyage"
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            I'm not say that it was a bad film. It just wasn't as good as the original which is the film most people remember. The original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" was an allegory for '50s paranoia about communist infiltration. The '70s remake just didn't have the same punch.


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
            >
            > I thought the '78 "Body Snatchers" was pretty good. So did sci-fi dean Harlan Ellison. The Golden Turkey Award goes to the "Body Snatcher" they made in the '90's.
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 43028 From: James Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
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            No they didn't pick POTA2001. They did include films like "Sideways" and "Lost in Translation". "The Sixth Sense" was also on the list and that is the only one that deserved to be there.


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
            >
            > What the hell could they pick from the last 10 years? The endings were great because they meant the movies were over! Did they pick POTA2001?
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: James
            > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:28 AM
            > Subject: [POTA] Entertainment Weekly: Favorite Movie Endings
            >
            >
            >
            > Recently EW paid tribute to 40 films with the greatest endings. As usual they pandered to present day pop culture and pick mostly movies from the last 10 years and threw in a few classics to retain an appearance of credibilty. Missing from the list is PLANET OF THE APES. They also left off PSYCHO and CITIZEN KANE which shows how misguided this list is.
            >
            > However, EW has provided a comments page: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/08/best-movie-endi.htmlcomment-79779381 where readers can give their opinion. I urge everyone to take a few minutes today and post a comment complaining about the omission of POTA. Thanks.
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 43029 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: Great '68 review
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            I wondered the same thing Rory!

            --- Haristas@... wrote:

            > In a message dated 8/16/2007 11:17:48 PM Eastern
            > Standard Time,
            > apefan23@... writes:
            >
            >
            > > By the way, Erika just wandered by and asked me
            > what
            > > I was doing. When I told her, she asked, “Are
            > you
            > > writing about how we gotta see it again?” The
            > answer,
            > > of course, was “yes.”
            > >
            >
            > I remember this review. Anyway, I wonder if little
            > Erika still remembers
            > POTA?
            >
            > -- Rory
            >
            >
            > **************************************
            > Get a sneak peek of the all-new
            > AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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            Group: pota Message: 43030 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
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            .html.htmlMovie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
            While The Invasion may sound like the title of a war movie, it's actually the fourth incarnation of the 1956 sci-fi/horror B-movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers, in which alien pods land on earth and take over the bodies of humans. "The latest and lamest version" is the way Manohla Dargis describes it in the New York Times. It's "godawful," writes Jack Mathews in the New York Daily News, who suggests that the title ought to be Night of the Living Dud. Likewise Glenn Whipp in the Los Angeles Daily News comments that the film comes to the screen DOA -- "killed by Hollywood conventionality and bland uniformity." And while some critics suggest that the performance of Nicole Kidman nearly redeems everything else that is wrong about The Invasion, Lou Lumenick in the New York Post will have none of that argument. "The only thing that's frightening this time around is the sheer, across-the-board incompetence of the filmmakers and the hugely narcissistic performance of its leading lady," he writes.







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            Group: pota Message: 43031 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/17/2007
            Subject: Re: (OT) Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
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            > while some critics suggest that the performance of Nicole Kidman
            > nearly redeems
            > everything else that is wrong about The Invasion, Lou Lumenick in the New
            > York Post will have none of that argument. "The only thing that's frightening
            > this time around is the sheer, across-the-board incompetence of the filmmakers
            > and the hugely narcissistic performance of its leading lady," he writes.

            I've never understood how Nicole Kidman became a star.
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            Group: pota Message: 43032 From: brendan486 Date: 8/17/2007
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            >
            > I've never understood how Nicole Kidman became a star.
            >

            Something to do with a huge Couch and a film crew.
            Brendan.
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            Group: pota Message: 43033 From: HollowedOut Date: 8/17/2007
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            Didn't ANYONE see BMX Bandits????? Man, pure genius!!



            brendan486 <nzape@...> wrote:

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            > I've never understood how Nicole Kidman became a star.
            >

            Something to do with a huge Couch and a film crew.
            Brendan.



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            Group: pota Message: 43035 From: eltf177 Date: 8/19/2007
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            The fourth? I remember the classic 1956 version (with Kevin McCarthy)
            and the 1980's version with Donald Sunderland and Leonard Nimoy (with
            Kevin McCarthy having a bit role). I can't remember another, please
            refresh my memory.

            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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            > Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
            > While The Invasion may sound like the title of a war movie, it's
            actually the
            > fourth incarnation of the 1956 sci-fi/horror B-movie Invasion of the
            Body
            > Snatchers, in which alien pods land on earth and take over the
            bodies of humans.
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            Group: pota Message: 43036 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/19/2007
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            > The fourth? I remember the classic 1956 version (with Kevin McCarthy)
            > and the 1980's version with Donald Sunderland and Leonard Nimoy (with
            > Kevin McCarthy having a bit role).

            1978 (and Sutherland).

            > I can't remember another, please
            > refresh my memory.

            1993's BODY SNATCHERS: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0106452/
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            Group: pota Message: 43037 From: Ty Templeton Date: 8/19/2007
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            And don't forgot the mid-nineties movie, "The Faculty" which is clearly a sequel to Body Snatchers, without paying for the name.

            Ty
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            Group: pota Message: 43038 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/19/2007
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            Gabrielle Anwar topless.... worth the price of admission alone.

            Incidentally I saw her recently in "The Marsh"  she's looking old.  :-(

             


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            > The fourth? I remember the classic 1956 version (with Kevin McCarthy)

            > and the 1980's version with Donald Sunderland and Leonard Nimoy (with
            > Kevin McCarthy having a bit role).

            1978 (and Sutherland).

            > I can't remember another, please
            > refresh my memory.

            1993's BODY SNATCHERS: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0106452/



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            Group: pota Message: 43039 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/20/2007
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            Hehheheehe.... That was a cool movie.

            She was okay in Dead Calm too.

             


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            Didn't ANYONE see BMX Bandits????? Man, pure genius!!



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            > I've never understood how Nicole Kidman became a star.
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            Something to do with a huge Couch and a film crew.
            Brendan.

             


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            Group: pota Message: 43040 From: paul_mannering@westpac.co.nz Date: 8/20/2007
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            She mated with Tom Cruise.

            They say he lost his credibility when he went ape on Oprah's couch.  Nicole Kidman lost it for me when she got up to present an Academy Award and was so drunk she could barely stand.

             


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            > while some critics suggest that the performance of Nicole Kidman

            > nearly redeems
            > everything else that is wrong about The Invasion, Lou Lumenick in
            the New
            > York Post will have none of that argument. "The only thing that's
            frightening
            > this time around is the sheer, across-the-board incompetence of the
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            I've never understood how Nicole Kidman became a star.



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            Group: pota Message: 43041 From: James Date: 8/20/2007
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            I liked that film. It least it was better than some of the other 'Body Snatcher' incarnationations.

            BTW Ty, any word on the Revolution trade paperback?


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:
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            > And don't forgot the mid-nineties movie, "The Faculty" which is clearly a
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              I like Nicole on the "Invasion" ad artwork. Looks very '50's.
             
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            She mated with Tom Cruise.

            They say he lost his credibility when he went ape on Oprah's couch.  Nicole Kidman lost it for me when she got up to present an Academy Award and was so drunk she could barely stand.




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            > while some critics suggest that the performance of Nicole Kidman
            > nearly redeems
            > everything else that is wrong about The Invasion, Lou Lumenick in the New
            > York Post will have none of that argument. "The only thing that's frightening
            > this time around is the sheer, across-the-board incompetence of the filmmakers
            > and the hugely narcissistic performance of its leading lady," he writes.

            I've never understood how Nicole Kidman became a star.



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            Group: pota Message: 43043 From: James Date: 8/20/2007
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            Bad reviews and even worse box office. It only made $2 Million this weekend and it cost around $100 Million to make. The weekend BO champ was 'Superbad' which only cost $20 Million and took in $30 Million. Hollywood needs to stop making all these overblown remakes & sequels and start concentrating on making good, but smaller films.

            That is what I think the problem was with POTA 2001. They spent too much money on it trying to make it a big tent pole summer movie. They should of concentrated more on the script and getting a good director for it.


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            > Movie Reviews: 'The Invasion'
            > While The Invasion may sound like the title of a war movie, it's actually the
            > fourth incarnation of the 1956 sci-fi/horror B-movie Invasion of the Body
            > Snatchers, in which alien pods land on earth and take over the bodies of humans.
            > "The latest and lamest version" is the way Manohla Dargis describes it in the
            > New York Times. It's "godawful," writes Jack Mathews in the New York Daily
            > News, who suggests that the title ought to be Night of the Living Dud. Likewise
            > Glenn Whipp in the Los Angeles Daily News comments that the film comes to the
            > screen DOA -- "killed by Hollywood conventionality and bland uniformity." And
            > while some critics suggest that the performance of Nicole Kidman nearly redeems
            > everything else that is wrong about The Invasion, Lou Lumenick in the New
            > York Post will have none of that argument. "The only thing that's frightening
            > this time around is the sheer, across-the-board incompetence of the filmmakers
            > and the hugely narcissistic performance of its leading lady," he writes.
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