Did we determine whether or not the new issue (#24) with the POTA article
was seen at Barnes & Noble (or other bookstores)?

Chris L.

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>>Robert Rodriguez who directed the Spy Kids films commented this

week
that no matter how poorly Montalban was feeling off camera, he always
gave 100% once the cameras were rolling. Rodriguez also said that when
he was writing Spy Kids 3 he went out of his way to give Montalban a CGI
body so he would have one last chance to play the hero. <<

>>In some ways, he was one of my favorite characters from the

franchise.
Especially in CONQUEST. I really enjoyed his performance, especially the
scene where he's first talking with Breck, MacDonald et al.

I do know that he's been sick for quite some time, but that never
prevented him from performing on screen in his later years. A true
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--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: POTA marathon tonight (January 25th)
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:27 PM
> "the Fox Legacy version of PLANET is being shown so
> we'll get to see
> Rothman and his blah blah blah
> for 15 minutes. Woo-hoo.
>
> Apparently, this guy is seriously despised:
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0745257/board which I believe
> has been
> mentioned here before.
>
> Chris L."
>
> What I didn't know until I saw it on the Fox Legacy for
> "The Phantom of
> the Paradise" is that Rothman is married to Jessica
> Harper. Anyone
> else remember her?
>
> -- Rory

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>>I'm amazed what a big deal they made of his old

Cordoba
commercials with the Rich Corinthian Leather. <<

>>I'm glad his role in the two Apes films are getting remembered and

not
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Congratulations Rob! I was going to bid on it but I'm glad someone in "the family" got it! It is spectacular! would love to get one someday!

Tim

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Robert J. Sawyer <robertjsawyer@...> wrote:

> From: Robert J. Sawyer <robertjsawyer@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: FOR SALE - 1/6 Scale - CUSTOM Statue of Caesar - As seen in BATTLE for the P
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:30 PM
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "angelofmusic2112"
> <angelofmusic2112@...>
> wrote:
>
> Woot! I just won the auction. I'm THRILLED. It's
> gonna look great
> in my office, opposite my 18" Sideshow Lawgiver
> statue. It looks
> beautiful, Angelofmusic!
>
> As discussed on eBay, just send me an email with USPS
> (mail) shipping
> costs to Ontario, Canada (postal code L5R 3K8 -- regular
> parcel [not
> expedited] is fine -- and I'll complete the
> transaction:
>
> sawyer at sfwriter dot com
>
> Governor Breck's got nothing on me! *I* won Caesar at
> an auction, too
> -- and I doubt my Caesar is going to end up being my
> downfall (well,
> at leaast not until my wife finds out ... hee hee).
>
> All best wishes!
>
> Rob
>
> ===
>
> ROBERT J. SAWYER, Science Fiction Writer
> *** Hugo Award winner for HOMINIDS ***
> http://sfwriter.com * sawyer@...

My point was that apes don't heat their meals.  We see the Chimps in Escape eat oranges.  In Conquest they eat raw bananas, and in BATTLE they death nuts. - Scott --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Scott Raile <raile@...> wrote: From: Scott Raile <raile@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath question To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 12:23 PM Scott B. wrote: There isn't much that Apes would need to actually cook since that don't eat meat I had to LOL when I read this.  Scott, you're clearly not a vegetarian, right? Like Cornelius and Zira, I don't eat meat either, but I cook ALL THE TIME. Maybe Zira uses it to make a mean eggplant parmesan.  Or Cornelius uses it for his famous sauteed mushroom and rice burrito.  Or maybe.....well, you get the idea! "Vegetarian" in no way means "doesn't cook." Scott

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----- Original Message -----

From: haydon.mark

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:07 PM

Subject: [pota] The new Apes film?

There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made.
If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be
either a follow on or a remake of a previous film.
However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true to the
original book, set in the future with apes flying .
This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time $$$$$$
was king and something had to give.
That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape city we
all see in the original movie.
What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book????????
Mark

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alex Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?

The only problem with the original novel is that the ending never made any sense.

Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out number apes 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)

 

That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be completely foolish.

At least in my opinion anyway.

 

Al 

---

From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM
Subject: [pota] The new Apes film?

There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made.
If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be
either a follow on or a remake of a previous film.
However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true to the
original book, set in the future with apes flying .
This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time $$$$$$
was king and something had to give.
That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape city we
all see in the original movie.
What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book????????
Mark

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I only saw the mag at one of three stores and it was the issue from 3 months ago!

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: SciFi Now Mag.
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 6:56 PM
> Did we determine whether or not the new issue (#24) with the
> POTA article
> was seen at Barnes & Noble (or other bookstores)?
>
> Chris L.
>

I disagree.

If I remember right (been a while since I read Monkey Planet) the apes
in the Book were amused/ambivalent to Merou till near the end where the
truth about their society was revealed to a small number of Apes - it
was only then that there was any concern and Merou and Nova escaped back
to earth. The apes in the movies were openly hostile to humans from the
start.

KJ

Alex Ruiz wrote:

> Reminds me of Walt Disney's latest animation flick "WALL-E."
> And you're right. Bad idea for a movie. Very bad idea. :o)
>
> Al
>
> *From:* Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> *To:* pota@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 26, 2009 12:13:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [pota] The new Apes film?
>
> The main idea of Boulle's book is that humans got lazy and just gave
> up. Which works in a book, but is hard to portray in a movie. I'd talk
> about it some more, but I don't feel like it. >YAWN!<
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Alex Ruiz <mailto:pota1968@...>
> *To:* pota@yahoogroups. com <mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [pota] The new Apes film?
>
> The only problem with the original novel is that the ending
> never made any sense.
> Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural
> catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out
> number apes 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)
>
> That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be
> completely foolish.
> At least in my opinion anyway.
>
> Al
>
> *From:* haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com <http://aol.com/>>
> *To:* pota@yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM
> *Subject:* [pota] The new Apes film?
>
> There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made.
> If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be
> either a follow on or a remake of a previous film.
> However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true
> to the
> original book, set in the future with apes flying .
> This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time
> $$$$$$
> was king and something had to give.
> That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape
> city we
> all see in the original movie.
> What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book????????
> Mark
>
>
>
>

"There's been film related merchandise and memorabilia since the days
of Disney, but POTA was the first movie to be mass merchandised and
until that point nothing- NOTHING- had come close to scale that Apes
was done on."

You forget Arthur Jacob's own DR. DOLITTLE. There was tons of
merchandizing done on that film, and because that movie flopped and
most of the stuff didn't sell, there was no -- NOTHING -- merchandizing
done on PLANET or any of the sequels. Well, there was a bubble gum
card set to the first film, two soundtrack albums, and a couple tie-in
paperbacks, but that's it -- until the TV series.

-- Rory

Well, after watching the Mutant Council scene tonight (after the gorilla
army gets past the bleeding Lawgiver illusion), I could tell that Caspy
is definitely NOT saying "Adults to the Cathedral, infants indoors". The
only word that matches his mouth movement is 'indoors'. I'm convinced now
that scene was originally supposed to play much later in the movie like
it does in the script.


Chris L.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:23 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?

I disagree.

If I remember right (been a while since I read Monkey Planet) the apes
in the Book were amused/ambivalent to Merou till near the end where the
truth about their society was revealed to a small number of Apes - it
was only then that there was any concern and Merou and Nova escaped back
to earth. The apes in the movies were openly hostile to humans from the
start.

KJ

Alex Ruiz wrote:
> Reminds me of Walt Disney's latest animation flick "WALL-E."
> And you're right. Bad idea for a movie. Very bad idea. :o)
>
> Al
>
> *From:* Jeff K. <veetus@earthlink. net>
> *To:* pota@yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 26, 2009 12:13:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [pota] The new Apes film?
>
> The main idea of Boulle's book is that humans got lazy and just gave
> up. Which works in a book, but is hard to portray in a movie. I'd talk
> about it some more, but I don't feel like it. >YAWN!<
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Alex Ruiz <mailto:pota1968@yahoo. com>
> *To:* pota@yahoogroups. com <mailto:pota@yahoogroups. com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [pota] The new Apes film?
>
> The only problem with the original novel is that the ending
> never made any sense.
> Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural
> catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out
> number apes 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)
>
> That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be
> completely foolish.
> At least in my opinion anyway.
>
> Al
>
> *From:* haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com <http://aol.com/>>
> *To:* pota@yahoogroups. com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM
> *Subject:* [pota] The new Apes film?
>
> There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made.
> If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be
> either a follow on or a remake of a previous film.
> However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true
> to the
> original book, set in the future with apes flying .
> This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time
> $$$$$$
> was king and something had to give.
> That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape
> city we
> all see in the original movie.
> What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book????????
> Mark
>
>
>
>

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Reading your comments in general i agree with most comments you have
made,with Bionic woman i couldn't relate to that at all the only good
thing that came out of that was the leading lady ( of Eastenders
Fame ).
Battlestar Galactica was a little to clever for there own good in
terms of some of the storylines are far to deep which isnt going to
attract a younger fan base, this was mentioned by another member that
they felt they aimed for the wrong target age group.
But comments about Tim Burton attempt at Planet of the Apes are
fair , i do think the Rick Bakers make-up was fantastic even though i
surpose it wasn't totally original because it had been done with the
original films, it had just been advanced slightly.There was only one
real good bit of acting in , if not slighty cheesy our own Chalton
Heston.
I general it most be said that most re-make's or follow on's tend to
fall short of most fans expectations for one, the original cast tends
to have past on to new ventures if not retired or past away.
This in its self causes problems due to the original fans having
there favourites.
Mark
-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

>
> I wrote:
>
> >>You know, this really concerns me. It puts me in mind of things

like

> the
> new Battlestar Galactica, Bionic Woman, Knight Rider, etc. The name

is

> being used, but there's no connection besides that to the original

source

> material. It's the original characters, stories, and concepts that

have

> kept these kinds of franchises alive over the decades, and most

fans want

> to see these same characters/storylines and find out what would be
> happening now 30 to 40 years later.
>
> Based on early reports, I really don't have a good feeling about

this. It

> could be an interesting film, but it won't do anything to further

POTA as

> we know it. <<
>
>
> "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> >>I agree for the most part, though I defintely don't think the new

BSG

> would belong in the same list with the others. By most accounts,

the

> new Bionic Woman and the new Knight Rider were pretty bad--but the
> new BSG is fantastic, a thousand times better than the old series.

<<

>
>
> I probably should have clarified that I wasn't referring to the

quality

> (or lack thereof in the case of BW) on the series I mentioned, but

rather

> the screwing around with the original elements/characters. I know a

lot

> of people hold the new BSG in pretty high regard.
>
>
> "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> I would tend to agree with Rich about BSG. The new version is far
> superior to the original. The original is a cartoon in comparison.
>
> But one thing about the new versions of BSG, BW & KR, for the most

part

> they've kept the original concepts and most of the original

characters

> but updated them for a contemporary audience. <<
>
> In the case of BSG, I really had a problem with the changing the

gender

> of some of the characters. That's definitely not keeping most of the
> originals intact. Plus they changed the nature of what the Cylons

were,

> the power structure of the Cylon empire, etc. It's an entirely

different

> beast. I think I would have had a lot more respect if Moore and

company

> had just called it something different- it wouldn't have changed the
> quality of the writing at all, and there wouldn't have been such a
> division between the fans. The show is ending after only four

seasons

> because of the sliding ratings, and considering how long series like
> Stargate and Stargate: Atlantis ran you can definitely see that

there's a

> market for this kind of stuff. When the final Season was announced,

the

> showrunners tried to spin it by saying something like "Oh, we want

to be

> true to the fans and not drag this out over too long a period of

time".

> Mmm-hmm. So, if the Sci-Fi Channel had come to them and wanted to

reup

> for another three or four seasons they would have said "No, we want

to be

> true to the fans"? Somehow, I doubt it.
>
> As for BW, I think that Jamie was the only character from the

original

> series. No idea about KR, but I don't recognize any of the

character's

> names or if it's even tied to the original.
>
>
> >> One of the problems with POTA 2001 is that they threw everything

out

> but the title as kept nothing else. <<
>
> Yep. About 1000 others as well.
>
>
> Chris L.
>

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There has got to be some poetic licence because Apes in the real
world regurgitate there food and even eat there own shit!! do we
really want to watch that???
Mark

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> My point was that apes don't heat their meals. We see the Chimps
in Escape eat oranges. In Conquest they eat raw bananas, and in
BATTLE they death nuts.
> - Scott
>
> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Scott Raile <raile@...> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Raile <raile@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath question
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 12:23 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott B. wrote:
>
>
> There isn't much that Apes would need to actually cook since that
don't eat meat
>
> I had to LOL when I read this. Scott, you're clearly not a
vegetarian, right?
>
> Like Cornelius and Zira, I don't eat meat either, but I cook ALL
THE TIME.
>
>
> Maybe Zira uses it to make a mean eggplant parmesan. Or Cornelius
uses it for his famous sauteed mushroom and rice burrito. Or
maybe.....well, you get the idea!
>
> "Vegetarian" in no way means "doesn't cook."
>
>
>
> Scott
>

If a large part of the film is going deal with the mis-treatment of the chimp this sounds a lot like a past film, PROJECT X.  That was a bomb for FOX.  Then mix in A.I. ( due to the idea of this chimp taking the place of a child of a woman who can't have one - seems this new "Apes' film is not an APE film at all but a bunch of stuff from other films and riding on the popularity of the APE films. It "borrows" too much for me to even give any time until it's released - and even then Hollywood's recent track record has really sucked. FOX is full of it.  Every time they made an APE film they bitched about the budget.  They even bitched about the budget for the TV series.  If FOX was REALLY interested they would make a new movie they'd make a new TV series.  Make a new Ape City (as in the film) and create a newly developed storyline of 1 to 3 astronauts landing and develop a interwoven story line which includes the plight of the humans, the apes and the mutants.  Similar to the cartoon series but more like the film in representation of the characters.  Having the storyline glide between the three arcs would broaden the original concept in depicting and represent how each society has developed.  I think a hell of a lot more interesting than a rip piece with a stolen character name used for a title about a non-talking ape that capitalized on a franchise yet disconnects itself from.  Not to mention exploiting the hopes of those who are fans.  It was a cheap shot to incite interest by using air time meant for the original APES films.  - Scott B --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote: From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film? To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:10 AM Reminds me of Walt Disney's latest animation flick "WALL-E." And you're right. Bad idea for a movie. Very bad idea. :o)   Al From: Jeff K. <veetus@earthlink. net> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:13:11 AM Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?   The main idea of Boulle's book is that humans got lazy and just gave up. Which works in a book, but is hard to portray in a movie. I'd talk about it some more, but I don't feel like it. >YAWN!<   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Ruiz To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film? The only problem with the original novel is that the ending never made any sense. Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out number apes 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)   That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be completely foolish. At least in my opinion anyway.   Al  From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM Subject: [pota] The new Apes film? There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made. If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be either a follow on or a remake of a previous film. However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true to the original book, set in the future with apes flying . This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time $$$$$$ was king and something had to give. That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape city we all see in the original movie. What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book???????? Mark

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Kevin <pellew@...> wrote:

Does glenn do a reasonable Jonathan Harris impression?

KJ

Bill Hollweg wrote:
>
> *Glen plays Lucifer in my Battlestar Galactica Audio Drama and does a

> Fantastic JOB! Free to DL- give a listen and hear Glen showcase his
> vocal might!*
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Good Morning Hooligans. Thanks for coming back for another great week
> of new releases. this week, we have a great line up for you. There's
> SO much audio goodness, you'll be ear deep in audio through the next
> week! The week we have:
>

> Prisoner Logo
> *The Prisoner: Episode 1 Arrival
> <http://brokensea.com/prisoner/2009/01/22/the-prisoner-episode-1-arrival/>*
>
> BSG Logo
> *Battlestar Galactica: Episode 1
> <http://brokensea.com/bsg/2009/01/22/battlestar-galactica-episode-1/>*
>
> BrokenSea-Doctor Who
> *Doctor Who: The Three Fold Solution
> <http://brokensea.com/drwho/2009/01/22/doctor-who-the-three-fold-solution-b2e1/>*
>
> Feedback Logo
> *Feedback: A Hero's Calling: The Specialist
> <http://brokensea.com/feedback/2009/01/22/feedback-a-hero%E2%80%99s-calling-the-specialist-s2e1/>*
>
> Maudelayne Logo
> *Maudelayne: A Visual Guide to Series 1
> <http://brokensea.com/maudelayne/2009/01/22/maudelayne-a-visual-guide-to-series-1/>*
>
> Eustace Diamonds Logo
> *The Eustace Diamonds
> <http://brokensea.com/eustacediamonds/2009/01/22/the-eustace-diamonds-chapter-38/>*

>
> Tags
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio

> www.brokensea.net <http://www.brokensea.net/>

> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @

> http://www.brokensea.com <http://www.brokensea.com/> and
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk <http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk/>

> Planet of the Apes at

> http://www.brokensea.com <http://www.brokensea.com/> and

> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting

> http://www.brokensea.com <http://www.brokensea.com/> and

> CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> http://brokensea.com/conan/
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio

> www.brokensea.net <http://www.brokensea.net>

> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes at
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> http://brokensea.com/conan/
>

--
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Have Sword...
    Will Slay...
       Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

For those who may remember:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/news/011509pioneer/

Pioneer Discontinues Laserdisc Players
By Mark Fleischmann

January 15, 2009 — Announcing the death of a format can be tricky
business. After all, a lot of them live on in our hearts, minds, racks,
and libraries—and at least one "dead" format, the LP, never really
died. But if the manufacture of hardware is a major criterion, then the
laserdisc format has died. Pioneer has discontinued its last three
laserdisc player models, according to a brief announcement in Akihabara
News.

Originally known as DiscoVision and LaserVision, the 12-inch optical
videodisc format was developed by MCA and Philips. The first consumer
player wore the Magnavox logo, though Pioneer eventually became the
format's champion, giving it the proprietary name LaserDisc, which
became the generic format name laserdisc.

Laserdisc output an analog NTSC signal, and is therefore as obsolete as
the doomed analog broadcast standard. It was never a high-def format.
There were two subformats, the higher-quality CAV, which held 30
minutes per side, and the more capacious and prevalent CLV, which held
an hour per side. Two-hour, two-sided discs in CLV became the norm.
Most discs were released with audio in a pretty decent two-channel
FM-carrier format, which carried matrixed Dolby Surround, and was
eventually upgraded to PCM digital. This allowed LD/CD combi players to
be marke
ted. In the format's waning years, Dolby Digital and DTS were
added.

The laserdisc won a three-way format war with two other major disc
formats, both of which, incredibly, were stylus-read like an LP. CED
was invented and promoted by RCA, then an independent company, and the
loss of the format war—along with tens of millions of dollars—was a
major factor in turning RCA from an independent company to a TV brand
that got passed around like a shopping bag. There was also a VHD format
from JVC, which also went nowhere, but did so less expensively.
Laserdisc won because consumers perceived greater performance and value
in an optical-disc format.

There was a time when having a laserdisc player and library was
synonymous with being a videophile. Considering the alternatives, it
was the best choice. Its more than 400 lines of horizontal resolution
were better than either VHS or Beta, at 250 each, and also beat the 300
lines of broadcast TV. There was a Super VHS format boasting more than
400 lines, but it recorded only the brightness signal at that
resolution, and the color signal at lower resolution, so it looked
smeary compared to laserdisc.

Laserdisc was doomed when DVD made its debut. The smaller disc
was—well, smaller, and it offered better resolution (even though
standard-def) and accommodated Dolby Digital and DTS from day one. Even
now, the DVD shows signs of holding on in the fac
e of competition from
the genuinely superior Blu-ray, which supports HD, lossless surround,
and other good stuff. But no one knows how long it will take for DVD to
go the way of laserdisc.

Anyway, goodbye, laserdisc. I'll always associate you with evenings
spent with passionate movie-loving friends. Thanks for the memories.

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Wow Jessica! I really have to compliment you on your dedication.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I've done massaging her face, I will bake her in the oven with
> Galen for about 20 minutes at 260 degrees fahrenheit. Once they have cooled
> off in there, I can pop the heads back onto the figures that I plucked them
> off of and paint them. But, since I want to accomplish both 1:6 scale and
> 1:9 figures, I am going to make a two part mold. Once the mold is ready, I
> will pour liquid plastic and make a positive and make as many positives for
> whoever wants to get a copy of the sculpt in 1:6 scale.
>
> To shrink it to Mego scale, I will use the same mold and pour another
> shrinking medium to make another positive. This medium will slowly shrink
> uniformly as it dessicates. It may take weeks to get it to shrink to the
> appropriate Mego scale, but I can speed the process by putting the positives
> in a dehydrator (which I don't have)...so weeks it will take. Once the
> positive has achieved the right size, I will add a neck plug that would
> fit Mego body onto the base of the neck. I will then make another mold of
> this and then pour liquid latex into the mold and I can make it available
> for those interested. It sounds like a lot of work, but it's ape related
> and it's fun for me. I'm still figuring out how to make a good mold, but I
> will do it so help me God.
>
> So once all these characters are on their respective bodies, both 1:6 and
> 1:9 scale, I will paint them. Then I will customize their clothing. If you
> can believe it, the Mego scale customs are more difficult because of its
> tiny size. The most difficult custom will be the hieroglyphs of the
> President of the Academy Mego scale. But I will accomplish all these in
> time. And I want them all to look screen accurate. A lot to do but it's a
> labor of love.
>
> Jessica.
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:03 AM, James JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> > *Wow Jessica. That looks exact. *
> >
> > *Just curious, what is your process after you do the initial sculpt? *
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich jessicarotich@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Tadah!! What do you guys think??? I really thinned out her muzzle, and
> > > softened her nose, added more meat to her browridges, and fixed the
> > hairline
> > > around her face.
> > >
> > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/carsia011.jpg
> > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/carsia013.jpg
> > >
> > > Jess.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:50 PM, jessica rotich jessicarotich@...:
> > >
> > > > I think she's ALMOST there!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/carsia007.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Jessica.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:37 PM, jessica rotich jessicarotich@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> ANY female is DIFFICULT!!
> > > >>
> > > >> Still massaging Carsia's face...but I have high hopes in getting this
> > > >> accomplished.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jessica.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Chris Sutton apecityusa@...:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Jessica,
> > > >>> Once again, the sculpts are great. You are making all of us who want
> > to
> > > >>> buy one impatient! Keep up the amazing work and let us know when they
> > can be
> > > >>> bought.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>> Chris Sutton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Yes the silver strips on the tunic are from the TV series only.

Also, the soldier has glyphs on his bandolier. They should be on the Gorilla Captain's bandolier only.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bobkind3" <dave@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > That's great Jessica. Thanks for passing that along. If anyone see
> them
>
> The Ursus is a most but I don't think I can justify both other figures.
> I plumped for the soldier due to the rifle and bandolier. Pity the flag
> wasn't included. Given this set is based around Beneath I don't
> understand why the captain has been giving the silver rank stripping
> (other than to get an extra sale especially from the TV fans). The
> revolver matches the one used to shot Brent but not his tunic. This was
> adopted for the TV series wasn't it? I can't recollect it on any
> gorilla costume in Beneath nor Battle.
>

Sounds like the start of a POTA cookbook all you need is 'Dr. Zaius' Zucchini Surprise', 'The Lawgiver's Lasagna' and 'Taylor's Pineapple Upside-down World Cake'. ;-)

 

Scott B. wrote:

There isn't much that Apes would need to actually cook since that don't eat meat

I had to LOL when I read this.  Scott, you're clearly not a vegetarian, right?

Like Cornelius and Zira, I don't eat meat either, but I cook ALL THE TIME.


Maybe Zira uses it to make a mean eggplant parmesan.  Or Cornelius uses it for his famous sauteed mushroom and rice burrito.  Or maybe.....well, you get the idea!

"Vegetarian" in no way means "doesn't cook."



Scott

Changing the sex of a character is not something that is uncommon in remakes. The most famous of which is probably the character of Hildy Brooks from 'The Front Page' who was turned into a woman for the remake 'His Gal Friday'.  The overall story and concept remained intact. Just some of the inter-character dynamics were changed. The same is true of BSG.

I've always tried to keep an open mind about new POTA projects and not be too quick to denounce them. At least until I see the end result. I think that was one of the problems with BSG. Fans of the original began tearing it to pieces before they saw even one minute of the new version. And let's face it, the original BSG was not a classic by any means. It was a one season failed TV show. But some fans were so myopic you would think it was 'Citizen Kane' or 'Casablanca'.

I hope that POTA fans don't fall into the same trap. While it is hard to be optimistic after the 2001 remake, let's all hope for the best. I know I and many others had high hopes in 2001 only to be disappointed but hopefully FOX has learned from their mistakes. Remember that the new film is still in a very, very early stage of development. Anything we are hearing about it now may change, so let's not be too quick to condemn it.  

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
>
> In the case of BSG, I really had a problem with the changing the gender
> of some of the characters. That's definitely not keeping most of the
> originals intact.

Culinary Lessons of the Iron Simian-LOL

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Sounds like the start of a POTA cookbook all you need is 'Dr. Zaius' Zucchini Surprise', 'The Lawgiver's Lasagna' and 'Taylor's Pineapple Upside-down World Cake'. ;-)

 

Scott B. wrote:

There isn't much that Apes would need to actually cook since that don't eat meat

I had to LOL when I read this.  Scott, you're clearly not a vegetarian, right?

Like Cornelius and Zira, I don't eat meat either, but I cook ALL THE TIME.


Maybe Zira uses it to make a mean eggplant parmesan.  Or Cornelius uses it for his famous sauteed mushroom and rice burrito.  Or maybe.....well, you get the idea!

"Vegetarian" in no way means "doesn't cook."



Scott

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But the oranges in Escape and bananas in Conquest was food given to Apes by Humans. Even the nuts comment in Battle was made by a Human, MacDonald, to make a point.

What exactly the Apes eat and how that food is prepared is never really explored in the films. The closest is Zira talking about making a chocolate cake in Beneath. And cakes need to be cooked.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> My point was that apes don't heat their meals.  We see the Chimps in Escape eat oranges.  In Conquest they eat raw bananas, and in BATTLE they death nuts.
> - Scott
>
> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Scott Raile raile@... wrote:
>
> From: Scott Raile raile@...
> Subject: Re: [pota] Beneath question
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 12:23 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott B. wrote:
>
>
> There isn't much that Apes would need to actually cook since that don't eat meat
>
> I had to LOL when I read this.  Scott, you're clearly not a vegetarian, right?
>
> Like Cornelius and Zira, I don't eat meat either, but I cook ALL THE TIME.
>
>
> Maybe Zira uses it to make a mean eggplant parmesan.  Or Cornelius uses it for his famous sauteed mushroom and rice burrito.  Or maybe.....well, you get the idea!
>
> "Vegetarian" in no way means "doesn't cook."
>
>
>
> Scott
>

I think you're right. Most likely it was moved back during the editing stage of the film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Well, after watching the Mutant Council scene tonight (after the gorilla
> army gets past the bleeding Lawgiver illusion), I could tell that Caspy
> is definitely NOT saying "Adults to the Cathedral, infants indoors". The
> only word that matches his mouth movement is 'indoors'. I'm convinced now
> that scene was originally supposed to play much later in the movie like
> it does in the script.
>
>
> Chris L.
> > Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2PNPgYsTeyydMgG6b07HjKyegRiukwHscaU4UnotWVnxhQS/
>

Or maybe 'Urko's Kitchen Nightmares'. ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Culinary Lessons of the Iron Simian-LOL
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM, James JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> > *Sounds like the start of a POTA cookbook all you need is 'Dr. Zaius'
> > Zucchini Surprise', 'The Lawgiver's Lasagna' and 'Taylor's Pineapple
> > Upside-down World Cake'. ;-)*
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott B. wrote:
> >
> > There isn't much that Apes would need to actually cook since that don't eat
> > meat
> >
> >
> >
> > I had to LOL when I read this. Scott, you're clearly not a vegetarian,
> > right?
> >
> > Like Cornelius and Zira, I don't eat meat either, but I cook ALL THE TIME.
> >
> >
> > Maybe Zira uses it to make a mean eggplant parmesan. Or Cornelius uses it
> > for his famous sauteed mushroom and rice burrito. Or maybe.....well, you
> > get the idea!
> >
> > "Vegetarian" in no way means "doesn't cook."
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.net
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes at
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> http://brokensea.com/conan/
>

I've added two new magazine articles to my Apes site:

- Lee's Guide to PotA (Thanks, Tim!)

- A profile of John Chambers from "Make-Up Artist" (Thanks, Jeff B!)

https://pota.goatley.com/

Hunter

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Got a call from a Ms. Glasner from the Motion Picture & Television Fund. She says she looks at the Roddy McDowall Rose Garden everyday at work and it is "beautiful and growing strong"..."alive and doing well" . It is part of the residential area which is "still a very viable program" and it is expanding and admitting more residents....So the garden will not be affected by the closing of the medical facility. She didn't mention the statue but I'm sure it will remain in place.

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Sci Fi Now mag says filming on Caesar is due to start next month--has
anybody seen an oficial schedule confirming this? John, Scrolls.

>
> Changing the sex of a character is not something that is uncommon in
> remakes. The most famous of which is probably the character of Hildy
> Brooks from 'The Front Page' who was turned into a woman for the

remake

> 'His Gal Friday'. The overall story and concept remained intact.

Just

> some of the inter-character dynamics were changed. The same is true

of

> BSG.
>
> I've always tried to keep an open mind about new POTA projects and

not

> be too quick to denounce them. At least until I see the end result.

I

> think that was one of the problems with BSG. Fans of the original

began

> tearing it to pieces before they saw even one minute of the new

version.

> And let's face it, the original BSG was not a classic by any means.

It

> was a one season failed TV show. But some fans were so myopic you

would

> think it was 'Citizen Kane' or 'Casablanca'.
>
> I hope that POTA fans don't fall into the same trap. While it is

hard to

> be optimistic after the 2001 remake, let's all hope for the best. I

know

> I and many others had high hopes in 2001 only to be disappointed but
> hopefully FOX has learned from their mistakes. Remember that the new
> film is still in a very, very early stage of development. Anything

we

> are hearing about it now may change, so let's not be too quick to
> condemn it.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > In the case of BSG, I really had a problem with the changing the
> gender
> > of some of the characters. That's definitely not keeping most of

the

> > originals intact.
>

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That's the old way. The new silicon rubber

is more resilient and will last longer than the latex.

Depending on the size you just mix a half a cup or

bucket insert the item and fill it the rest of the way

up. Then cut it away once it's dried pull the original.

 

 

In a message dated 1/25/2009 5:55:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, markhaydon3@... writes:

All it is is latex rubber

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True, but they don't bake chocolate cakes either.

 

 

In a message dated 1/25/2009 8:00:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, digitalcinema@... writes:

My point was that apes don't heat their meals. 

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My Apester friends, I would like to express my own thoughts about the new APES film.   Mark, I think that it was you that mentioned about how "money is king"...well, it always has been, which was the reason the Burton 2001 remake (yecch) didn't turn out the way I thought it would.  With all of the hype surrounding it before its release, I was expecting to see the movie, possibly, continue where BATTLE left off.  I was hoping that.  There was no mention of Zira, Cornelius or Taylor, no mention of Caesar...none of the original characters that made the classic movies so dynamic and still exciting to watch right to this day.   But for FOX to actually use the name CAESAR--the pivotal character in CONQUEST and BATTLE--and make a movie with non-speaking apes is simply deplorable.  Apes spoke in all five of the original classics, as well as the cartoon and TV series, the 2001 remake, and even in all of the comic book versions.  I can already see that this new movie won't be good, I refuse to even go to see it when it's released.      Zach    -------Original Message-------   From: Alex Ruiz Date: 1/25/2009 6:31:02 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?   The only problem with the original novel is that the ending never made any sense. Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out number apes 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)   That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be completely foolish. At least in my opinion anyway.   Al  From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM Subject: [pota] The new Apes film? There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made. If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be either a follow on or a remake of a previous film. However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true to the original book, set in the future with apes flying . This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time $$$$$$ was king and something had to give. That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape city we all see in the original movie. What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book???????? Mark

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THANK YOU.  Ditto.  I couldn't have said it better. I am not that desperate to be suckered into a hack and his ill fated attempts to cash in on what was done previous and outwardly steal to better his career. - Scott B. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> wrote: From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> Subject: [pota] CAESAR... To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:32 AM My Apester friends, I would like to express my own thoughts about the new APES film.   Mark, I think that it was you that mentioned about how "money is king"...well, it always has been, which was the reason the Burton 2001 remake (yecch) didn't turn out the way I thought it would.  With all of the hype surrounding it before its release, I was expecting to see the movie, possibly, continue where BATTLE left off.  I was hoping that.  There was no mention of Zira, Cornelius or Taylor, no mention of Caesar...none of the original characters that made the classic movies so dynamic and still exciting to watch right to this day.   But for FOX to actually use the name CAESAR--the pivotal character in CONQUEST and BATTLE--and make a movie with non-speaking apes is simply deplorable.  Apes spoke in all five of the original classics, as well as the cartoon and TV series, the 2001 remake, and even in all of the comic book versions.  I can already see that this new movie won't be good, I refuse to even go to see it when it's released.      Zach    -------Original Message----- --   From: Alex Ruiz Date: 1/25/2009 6:31:02 PM To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?   The only problem with the original novel is that the ending never made any sense. Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out number apes 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)   That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be completely foolish. At least in my opinion anyway.   Al  From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM Subject: [pota] The new Apes film? There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made. If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be either a follow on or a remake of a previous film. However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true to the original book, set in the future with apes flying . This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time $$$$$$ was king and something had to give. That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape city we all see in the original movie. What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book???????? Mark

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I doubt that they'll begin filming next month. According to this article Scott Frank won't find out if FOX is interested in moving forward until then: http://chud.com/articles/articles/17231/1/SCOTT-FRANK-TELLS-CHUD-quotI039M-NOT-REMAKING-CONQUEST-OF-THE-PLANET-OF-THE-APESquot/Page1.html"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
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> Sci Fi Now mag says filming on Caesar is due to start next month--has
> anybody seen an oficial schedule confirming this? John, Scrolls.
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Isn't that the absolute truth, Rory!  What train did he get off of?   Roy Scheider as Taylor?!  Nothing against Mr. Scheider, I thought that he was a great actor, but Charlton Heston was (please pardon the pun) tailor-made for the role of Colonel Taylor!   (Or should that be taylor-made?)    Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: Haristas@... Date: 1/25/2009 5:39:49 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: FW: Google Alert - planet of the apes   http://blogs. amctv.com/ future-of- classic/2009/ 01/bad-actors- great-movies. php Ten Movies With Not-So-Great, Actually Really Bad, Leads "7. Charlton Heston, Planet of the Apes The problem with Heston is that in this movie, he is not holding a stone tablet from a mountain, which is the level of faux-gravitas he is bringing to a movie set in a world run by apes. His melodramatic cries and grunts make the character as empathetic as a chair. Sure, he was good looking and he had that voice, but image an actor with a broader range in the part? Agony, anger, Heston had those covered. But what about everything in between? Better Casting: Marlon Brando, Roy Scheider, Laurence Olivier" Is this writer nuts or what? -- Rory

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There is also Zira

http://www.megomuseum.com/pota/pzira.html"

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You're welcome.  I just wanted to share my feelings on the new movie.  I agree with your comment too.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: scott bosco Date: 1/27/2009 11:03:13 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] CAESAR...   THANK YOU.  Ditto.  I couldn't have said it better. I am not that desperate to be suckered into a hack and his ill fated attempts to cash in on what was done previous and outwardly steal to better his career. - Scott B. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> wrote: From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> Subject: [pota] CAESAR... To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:32 AM My Apester friends, I would like to express my own thoughts about the new APES film.   Mark, I think that it was you that mentioned about how "money is king"...well, it always has been, which was the reason the Burton 2001 remake (yecch) didn't turn out the way I thought it would.  With all of the hype surrounding it before its release, I was expecting to see the movie, possibly, continue where BATTLE left off.  I was hoping that.  There was no mention of Zira, Cornelius or Taylor, no mention of Caesar...none of the original characters that made the classic movies so dynamic and still exciting to watch right to this day.   But for FOX to actually use the name CAESAR--the pivotal character in CONQUEST and BATTLE--and make a movie with non-speaking apes is simply deplorable.  Apes spoke in all five of the original classics, as well as the cartoon and TV series, the 2001 remake, and even in all of the comic book versions.  I can already see that this new movie won't be good, I refuse to even go to see it when it's released.      Zach    -------Original Message----- --   From: Alex Ruiz Date: 1/25/2009 6:31:02 PM To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?   The only problem with the original novel is that the ending never made any sense. Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out number apes 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)   That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be completely foolish. At least in my opinion anyway.   Al  From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM Subject: [pota] The new Apes film? There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made. If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be either a follow on or a remake of a previous film. However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true to the original book, set in the future with apes flying . This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time $$$$$$ was king and something had to give. That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape city we all see in the original movie. What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book???????? Mark

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In a message dated 1/26/2009 12:33:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Also, the soldier has glyphs on his bandolier. They should be on the Gorilla Captain's bandolier only.

Actually, shouldn't they correctly be on the bandolier for a gorilla called "Hunt Leader" from PLANET?

 

I don't recall seeing them on any gorilla in BENEATH, but I'm not that up on BENEATH.

 

-- Rory 

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I remember those shirts. If my memory is right, I think I had one or someone in school had one... I jjust had a flashback..   I remember the rubbery on th shirt.... NYC DAVE... --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote: From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> Subject: [pota] celebrity POTA pasts To: "POTA" <pota@yahoogroups.com>, "POTA DG" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:40 PM This from an interview with Eric McCormack ("Will & Grace") and Tom Cavanagh ("Ed") who star in a new show called "Trust Me" "A piece of pop culture memorabilia from your childhood you wish you still had? Cavanagh: I had this old Vancouver Canucks hockey jersey with the 'C' in the form of an ice rink that people used to offer me a billion dollars for. In the last seven or eight years, they've had this whole retro craze, and you can now get these things online, so it's lost its value... Boring. McCormack: I had a fantastic shirt, it was like a velour shirt with a Planet of the Apes face on it. It was Roddy McDowall as Cornelius. It wasn't just a picture; it was like a big plastic or rubber relief that was sewn on to the shirt. It was a magnificent thing. I loved my Planet of the Apes shirt. I think my mother probably put it in the dryer and it melted."

Joanne Van Ewyk has contributed scans of an article from Famous
Monsters of Filmland Issue 52. This is the first article FM ran about
the Apes movies. Thanks, Joanne!

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Hunter

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. For myself, I refuse to pass judgement until I've seen the finished product. I had very high hopes for the 2001 remake and rushed to the very first showing the day it opened. Of course those high hopes were completely dashed when I saw the film.

Of this new film, I find it really hard to form an opinion since there is so little known about it. From what I've heard the first draft of the screenplay is still being written and FOX will not be committing to further development until next month.

The remake took 10 years to get off the ground going through many different scripts (and directors) in the process. So who knows what changes this new film will go through before it finally hits the screen.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> You're welcome. I just wanted to share my feelings on the new movie. I
> agree with your comment too.
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: scott bosco
>
> Date: 1/27/2009 11:03:13 AM
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: [pota] CAESAR...
>
>
>
> THANK YOU. Ditto. I couldn't have said it better.
>
> I am not that desperate to be suckered into a hack and his ill fated
> attempts to cash in on what was done previous and outwardly steal to better
> his career.
>
> - Scott B.
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, zasco1957 Zasco1957@... wrote:
>
>
>
> From: zasco1957 Zasco1957@...
>
> Subject: [pota] CAESAR...
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:32 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> My Apester friends, I would like to express my own thoughts about the new
> APES film.
>
>
>
> Mark, I think that it was you that mentioned about how "money is king"..
> well, it always has been, which was the reason the Burton 2001 remake
> (yecch) didn't turn out the way I thought it would. With all of the hype
> surrounding it before its release, I was expecting to see the movie,
> possibly, continue where BATTLE left off. I was hoping that. There was no
> mention of Zira, Cornelius or Taylor, no mention of Caesar...none of the
> original characters that made the classic movies so dynamic and still
> exciting to watch right to this day.
>
>
>
> But for FOX to actually use the name CAESAR--the pivotal character in
> CONQUEST and BATTLE--and make a movie with non-speaking apes is simply
> deplorable. Apes spoke in all five of the original classics, as well as the
> cartoon and TV series, the 2001 remake, and even in all of the comic book
> versions. I can already see that this new movie won't be good, I refuse to
> even go to see it when it's released.
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
>
>
> From: Alex Ruiz
>
> Date: 1/25/2009 6:31:02 PM
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?
>
>
>
> The only problem with the original novel is that the ending never made any
> sense.
>
> Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural
> catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out number apes
> 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)
>
>
>
> That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be completely foolish.
>
> At least in my opinion anyway.
>
>
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com>
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM
>
> Subject: [pota] The new Apes film?
>
>
>
>
>
> There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made.
>
> If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going to be
>
> either a follow on or a remake of a previous film.
>
> However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true to the
>
> original book, set in the future with apes flying .
>
> This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time $$$$$$
>
> was king and something had to give.
>
> That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape city we
>
> all see in the original movie.
>
> What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book????????
>
> Mark
>

"What exactly the Apes eat and how that food is prepared is never
really explored in the films. The closest is Zira talking about making
a chocolate cake in Beneath. And cakes need to be cooked."

From PLANET we know they must have liked corn! You need to cook that.

-- Rory

"But for FOX to actually use the name CAESAR--the pivotal character in
CONQUEST and BATTLE--and make a movie with non-speaking apes is simply
deplorable. Apes spoke in all five of the original classics, as well
as the cartoon and TV series, the 2001 remake, and even in all of the
comic book versions. I can already see that this new movie won't be
good, I refuse to even go to see it when it's released.

Zach"

I don't know how good or bad this new movie will be, but it's at least
attempting to explore something that nothing before in the franchise
has -- not even Boulle's book -- that being how the "super apes" came
into being. It would take millions of years for the kind of ape
creatures seen in the original movie to evolve naturally, so human gene
manipulation is the only answer, unless you want to go the Rosewell
aliens route!

I look forward to the new movie, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed it
won't be on the same level of current Fox dreck like the remake of
TDTESS and X-FILES: I WANT TO BELIEVE.

-- Rory

Talking about passing judgement for all you so called people who say
they havn't seen the Burton version then your luck's in it on channel
4 tonight at 9pm and then at 10pm on channel 4+1.
So for those of you who have done nothing but put it down heres your
chance to watch it without having to pay for it.
Even Johnathan Ross watch's a film before reviewing it .
I told my eleven year old it was on tonight , he said he likes it and
he will watch it bed ( even though he has seen it before ) , but it
was his comments after that tickled me, he said he liked it but he
thinks the old version is better and his favorite being the 1968
release with Charlton Heston and the Statue of Liberty.
I will agree with my son that the originals are the best of course,
and that the 2001 film is good in terms of entertainment, but lacking
the feel of what we planet of the apes fans have grown up watching
Someone please tell me is Limbo supposed to a modern version of Dr
Zaius????
Mark

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. For myself, I
refuse to
> pass judgement until I've seen the finished product. I had very high
> hopes for the 2001 remake and rushed to the very first showing the
day
> it opened. Of course those high hopes were completely dashed when I
saw
> the film.
>
> Of this new film, I find it really hard to form an opinion since
there
> is so little known about it. From what I've heard the first draft
of the
> screenplay is still being written and FOX will not be committing to
> further development until next month.
>
> The remake took 10 years to get off the ground going through many
> different scripts (and directors) in the process. So who knows what
> changes this new film will go through before it finally hits the
screen.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@> wrote:
> >
> > You're welcome. I just wanted to share my feelings on the new
movie. I
> > agree with your comment too.
> >
> >
> >
> > Zach
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> >
> >
> > From: scott bosco
> >
> > Date: 1/27/2009 11:03:13 AM
> >
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [pota] CAESAR...
> >
> >
> >
> > THANK YOU. Ditto. I couldn't have said it better.
> >
> > I am not that desperate to be suckered into a hack and his ill
fated
> > attempts to cash in on what was done previous and outwardly steal
to
> better
> > his career.
> >
> > - Scott B.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, zasco1957 Zasco1957@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: zasco1957 Zasco1957@
> >
> > Subject: [pota] CAESAR...
> >
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:32 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My Apester friends, I would like to express my own thoughts about
the
> new
> > APES film.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark, I think that it was you that mentioned about how "money is
> king"..
> > well, it always has been, which was the reason the Burton 2001
remake
> > (yecch) didn't turn out the way I thought it would. With all of
the
> hype
> > surrounding it before its release, I was expecting to see the
movie,
> > possibly, continue where BATTLE left off. I was hoping that.
There was
> no
> > mention of Zira, Cornelius or Taylor, no mention of Caesar...none
of
> the
> > original characters that made the classic movies so dynamic and
still
> > exciting to watch right to this day.
> >
> >
> >
> > But for FOX to actually use the name CAESAR--the pivotal
character in
> > CONQUEST and BATTLE--and make a movie with non-speaking apes is
simply
> > deplorable. Apes spoke in all five of the original classics, as
well
> as the
> > cartoon and TV series, the 2001 remake, and even in all of the
comic
> book
> > versions. I can already see that this new movie won't be good, I
> refuse to
> > even go to see it when it's released.
> >
> >
> >
> > Zach
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message----- --
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Alex Ruiz
> >
> > Date: 1/25/2009 6:31:02 PM
> >
> > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [pota] The new Apes film?
> >
> >
> >
> > The only problem with the original novel is that the ending never
made
> any
> > sense.
> >
> > Apes taking over earth without any sign of nuclear war or natural
> > catastrophe simply doesn't make any sense. Not when humans out
number
> apes
> > 50,000 to 1, or whatever it may be. :o)
> >
> >
> >
> > That's why a prequel or sequel to Burton's Apes would be
completely
> foolish.
> >
> > At least in my opinion anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@ aol.com>
> >
> > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:07:24 PM
> >
> > Subject: [pota] The new Apes film?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There's been lots of talk about the new ape movie to be made.
> >
> > If ever there is one made the general feeling is that its going
to be
> >
> > either a follow on or a remake of a previous film.
> >
> > However has anyone thought about the possibility of keeping true
to
> the
> >
> > original book, set in the future with apes flying .
> >
> > This was the original idea for the first movies but at that time
> $$$$$$
> >
> > was king and something had to give.
> >
> > That's the reason we ended up with the storyline set in the ape
city
> we
> >
> > all see in the original movie.
> >
> > What is the general feeling of keeping true to the book????????
> >
> > Mark
> >
>

> Someone please tell me is Limbo supposed to a modern version of Dr
> Zaius ?

Limbo and his moronic one-liners were among the worst things about
that crapfest.

Hunter

You don't believe they're really people?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@...> wrote:
> Talking about passing judgement for all you so called people

I've updated my site to add the following new items:

- Magazine article from World of Horror #5 (UK mag from 1975)

- More merchandise ads

- 30 new black & white stills contributed by James

https://pota.goatley.com/

Hunter

Hunter, your site just gets better and better (obviously). Your
efforts, and the efforts of your contributors, are greatly
appreciated. Fantastic work. Thanks.

--Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> I've updated my site to add the following new items:
>
> - Magazine article from World of Horror #5 (UK mag from 1975)
>
> - More merchandise ads
>
> - 30 new black & white stills contributed by James
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

Well i watched Burton's Planet of the Apes with my 11 year old son
tonight , for entertainment 7 / 10 , but for all those who know and
follow the originals ( well its well documented what we feel ) but
one thing that was better that the originals.
When the apes in this film moved there mouth's and spoke, ho my god
it was or lookes real compared to the originals where sometimes there
mouths didn't even move while speaking.
The potential with these masks/ make-up , but with original
storylines / charactores but alas not actors, being the magority no
longer with us is exicting ( if only ???!!!! )
Mark

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> You don't believe they're really people?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@> wrote:
> > Talking about passing judgement for all you so called people
>

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It certainly does, Hunter!  I enjoy it immensely!  Thanks.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: Mike M Date: 1/31/2009 6:10:13 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: New on Hunter's site....   Hunter, your site just gets better and better (obviously). Your efforts, and the efforts of your contributors, are greatly appreciated. Fantastic work. Thanks. --Mike --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@ ...> wrote: > > I've updated my site to add the following new items: > > - Magazine article from World of Horror #5 (UK mag from 1975) > > - More merchandise ads > > - 30 new black & white stills contributed by James > > https://pota. goatley.com/ > > Hunter >

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Yeah I edit those out

along with Heston and

any line taken from the

original and the really bad

fighting at the end.  It does

improve the film and cuts

the run time as well.

 

In a message dated 1/31/2009 2:12:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

Limbo and his moronic one-liners were among the worst things about
that crapfest.

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Looks kind of "POTAish" but of course it'll be pretty goofy.

http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/land-of-the-lost/super-bowl-spot

-- Rory

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Yeh, but what about the Transformers preview!!! --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] (OT) Land of the Lost trailer To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 11:09 AM Looks kind of "POTAish" but of course it'll be pretty goofy. http://www.trailera ddict.com/ trailer/land- of-the-lost/ super-bowl- spot -- Rory

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Excellent article. I'm alway glad when someone intelligent has
something good to say about POTA.

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-- Rory

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>>You forget Arthur Jacob's own DR. DOLITTLE. There was tons of

merchandizing done on that film, and because that movie flopped and
most of the stuff didn't sell, there was no -- NOTHING -- merchandizing
done on PLANET or any of the sequels. Well, there was a bubble gum
card set to the first film, two soundtrack albums, and a couple tie-in
paperbacks, but that's it -- until the TV series. <<

>>There's been film related merchandise and memorabilia since the

days
of Disney, but POTA was the first movie to be mass merchandised and
until that point nothing- NOTHING- had come close to scale that Apes
was done on.<<<.html

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she was also in "My Favorite Year with Peter O'Toole which was terrific!

--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: POTA marathon tonight (January 25th)
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 3:48 PM
> Apparently, it's getting remade:
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914381/
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
> wrote:
>
> >>What I didn't know until I saw it on the Fox
> Legacy for "The Phantom of
> the Paradise" is that Rothman is married to Jessica
> Harper. Anyone
> else remember her? <<
>

"Apparently, it's getting remade: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914381/

Chris L."

Let's just face it.... Fox is brain dead and simply going to remake
everything from their past. Soon I expect to hear that remakes are on
the way for VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA, FANTASTIC VOYAGE, THE
GHOST AND MRS. MUIR and MOTHER, JUGS AND SPEED!

Originality is a thing of the past.

-- Rory

"But was the merchandising on Dr. Dolittle done to the extent that it
was
for Apes i.e. figures, clothes, playsets, bubble bath, POP plastic
toys, board
games, plastic models, garbage cans et al? There was merchandising done
on the
Apes films, but it was done a few years after the first film appeared.
Yes it
coincided with the TV series, but the scope of what was released
covered both
the series and the films. Even the animated series a year later with
the release
of the paperback adaptations.

To the best of my knowledge, even though Dr. Dolittle, Disney, James
Bond etc had merchandising and perhaps even a lot of merchandising,
nothing had been done on the scale Apes was in the early to mid 70's.


Chris L."

You need to have your knowledge expanded.

As far as the merchandizing on DOLITTLE... Let's just say it poisoned
the waters for years!

If you've never read it, I HIGHLY recommend a book called "The Studio."
Get it!

http://www.amazon.com/Studio-John-Gregory-Dunne/dp/0375700080/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233553553&sr=1-1

-- Rory



"Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:

>>You forget Arthur Jacob's own DR. DOLITTLE. There was tons of

merchandizing done on that film, and because that movie flopped and
most
of the stuff didn't sell, there was no -- NOTHING -- merchandizing
done on
PLANET or any of the sequels. Well
, there was a bubble gum
card set to the
first film, two soundtrack albums, and a couple tie-in
paperbacks, but
that's it -- until the TV series. <<


I wrote:

>>There's been film related merchandise and memorabilia since the

days
of Disney, but POTA was the first movie to be mass merchandised and

until that point nothing- NOTHING- had come close to scale that Apes
was
done on.<<

I wasn't even aware they were still being manufactured. Still- like
everything else though- there'll be a die hard contingent that'll keep
the LD format alive in collector's circles and so forth. It seems that
once established as a viable format, nothing ever goes completely away
even when discontinued. Hell, used audio cassettes are on an upswing
again at indie music stores because they're so cheap. So it's no big deal
if anything happens to it- you just go buy another. Apparently, a lot of
cars are still coming with CD and cassette players standard, so they'll
be around for a while yet.


Chris L.

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>>I think you're right. Most likely it was moved back during the

editing stage of the film. <<

>>Well, after watching the Mutant Council scene tonight (after the

gorilla
army gets past the bleeding Lawgiver illusion), I could tell that Caspy
is definitely NOT saying "Adults to the Cathedral, infants indoors". The
only word that matches his mouth movement is 'indoors'. I'm convinced now
that scene was originally supposed to play much later in the movie like
it does in the script. <<<.html

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be too quick to denounce them. At least until I see the end result. I
think that was one of the problems with BSG. Fans of the original began
tearing it to pieces before they saw even one minute of the new version.
And let's face it, the original BSG was not a classic by any means. It
was a one season failed TV show. But some fans were so myopic you would
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Not really into Giant Robots fighting.

Especially ones that also break dance.

 

 

In a message dated 2/1/2009 1:47:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:

I'm more into killer robots not friendly ones. :o)

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>"Chris Lawless" lawford42@... totellthetruth42 wrote:
>I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that 20 years from now,
>NO ONE will be yearning for new stories from the reimagining but
>there'll still be an interest in the original.

Heh heh. Chris, I'd almost be willing to take your bet on that
one--it'd be easy money. I know you're a die-hard fan of the
original, and that you staunchly don't like the new series, and I can
certainly respect that...but I think it's skewing your perception a
bit, my friend. :)

Don't get me wrong--I'm a major fan of both incarnations, so this is,
in no way, meant to knock the original. But consider:

* Five different companies have attempted to publish ongoing
comic-book lines based on the original BSG: Marvel, Look-In, Maximum,
Realm and Dynamite. None of them were financially successful enough
to keep them going more than a couple of years, because people just
weren't buying them--and in the case of Realm, that was especially
telling, given how amazing that series was, both in terms of writing
and artwork. Dynamite's spinoff of the new BSG, however, is still
going strong, with new storylines planned for the coming years,
despite the fact that the TV series is ending in two months. People
are buying comics based on the new one--they tend not to buy those
based on the old one, however, even when they're very good.

* The idea that "no one" will be yearning for new stories for the
reimagining is, in my opinion, rather implausible. This series has a
HUGE fanbase. It's seriously unlikely we'll all stop caring about
the show. Even complete and total crap like Buck Rogers in the 25th
Century, Land of the Lost and Lost in Space still have fans who'd
love to get their hands on new tales, and they were all terrible even
when they were still on the air.

* The bottom line is that fandom endures. You may dislike the new
BSG, and I may think Buck Rogers was an embarrassment, but in the
end, their fans will always want more stories if they can get
'em. There may not be enough people to keep those stories in
publication, as is the case with old-series-based BSG comics, but
there will always be fans willing to buy them, nonetheless. I
guarantee you the new Friday the 13th film, opening in two weeks, is
going to do huge numbers at the box office--even though it's a remake
of a film that is extremely dated and turned out a ton of truly lame
sequels. This one, no doubt, will be just as lame...and it'll still
have its fans 20 years from now.

I've always felt that there was some gene manipulation going on in Conquest. Look at the Orangutans in the cage with Caesar. They look completely different after they are processed at Ape Management. Caesar's personality changes as well. In the early part of the film, other than his one outburst of anger, he is a bit inmature and somewhat weak. But after being processed at Ape Management his personality changes. He is far stronger and much more of a leader.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> 
> It would take millions of years for the kind of ape
> creatures seen in the original movie to evolve naturally, so human gene
> manipulation is the only answer, unless you want to go the Rosewell
> aliens route!
>

According to IMDB, Heston's character was named Zaius: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133152/fullcredits#cast

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > Someone please tell me is Limbo supposed to a modern version of Dr
> > Zaius ?
>

Some could be Apes just lulling us into a false sense of security by making us think that Apes talking over the planet is just fiction.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> You don't believe they're really people?
>
>