--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

>ty jess i added some more pics on my facebook guys anyone on face heres my link add me as friend http://www.facebook.com/david.ritter
> David you are getting better all the time!!!
>
> Jess.
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:11 PM, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...>wrote:
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> > [Attachment(s)<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=oQSANZu1eHs.en.&am=!g-7ZRXWCxC65RfXmwdQ2QuwPeHMa8uPfmCdaDmMrkg#1229ae154cded49c_TopText>from David Ritter included below]
> >
> > hey guys ive got the size issue worked out my newest sculpt is to size
> > and ready for the dremmil needs to be smoothed and casted then paint.
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----- Original Message -----

From: theskulpter

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 3:21 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Differences in Roddy's Make-up

 

I also like the way he looks better in Escape. In Conquest his make up is different of course because he plays a different character so the widows peak is much higher on Ceasar and the darker makeup is applied,I also love the way he looks in this film as well.In Beneath as I am sure you are aware it is not Roddy, but looks damn close.My least fav is the way Roddy looks in Battle.Something is off from his Ceasar look,maybe the nose.Everyone has their favorite look,and nothing will ever look as great as the Apes in the Original 5 films.It is just a shame that the film industry thinks they have to change the look for remakes they make.The look is what makes them so original, changing it is just not Planet of the Apes anymore to me.
--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@ ...> wrote:
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> i agree..:)
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>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: ursuszaiuscaesar <ursuszaiuscaesar@ ...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:33:14 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Differences in Roddy's Make-up
>
>
> Though I agree that the make-up in the first two movies looks better overall, my opinion is that Roddy's prosthetics, just as far as facial structure is concerned, looks better in Escape and Conquest. But it's just my opinion. I'm sure others will disagree but maybe someone out there will agree with me.
>
> -- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > The makeup generally looks best in the original, a lot of that due not
> > just to the higher budget, greater care and time taken, but also to the
> > work of the DP, Leon Shamroy. The ape makeup is just as well done in
> > BENEATH, but the lighting is brighter (which helps explain why BENEATH
> > looks "better" on DVD) and the filming was more rushed. The makeup got
> > cheapened starting with ESCAPE, where less care was taken in the
> > different color shadings on the appliences and the wigs were less
> > expensive. This got worse with the last two films. The makeup was
> > actually rather well-done in the series, but more often than not,
> > actors didn't wear appliences sculpted from molds of their faces, but
> > instead wore "stock" appliences made from molds left over from the film
> > series and hence chin pieces didn't fit right and such, and often the
> > lighting or camera angle wasn't the best.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> > (F.N. sucs!)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ursuszaiuscaesar <ursuszaiuscaesar@ ...>
> > To: Pota@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:34 pm
> > Subject: [pota] Differences in Roddy's Make-up
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I take it everyone else has noticed the changing faces of Roddy when it
> > comes to his Cornelius/Caesar/ Galen prosthetics. Does anyone know the
> > history behind this? The Escape and Conquest faces look basically the
> > same except that Caesar's face looks a little darker with slightly
> > deeper=2
> > 0lines. The Battle make-up looks cheaper somehow and the Galen
> > make-up even more so. The TV series prosthetics in general do not look
> > as good as most of the movies.(Don' t get me wrong, I love the TV show
> > as well).
> >
>

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On July 21, 1925, the ''monkey trial'' ended in Dayton, Tenn., with
John T. Scopes convicted of violating state law for teaching Darwin's
theory of evolution. (The conviction was later overturned.)

Tim,

I absolutely agree with everything you said.

In Battle it is about the nose.

Watson's makeup in Beneath is really good as well.

Your best comment is about the "look" of the Apes movies and how it should be maintained. The look is original and we should all campaign for it with this new Caesar movie being rumored.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
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> I think Cornelius' change from Planet to Escape shows his maturing....
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Hey all

Thank you for all your orders!

Just a comment for those who emailed me about ordering multiples, and those who have yet to place an order:

I am extended this offer to you guys through Thursday night, please order as soon as you can and as many as you want, I would rather the fan groups have these then someone who is going to just put them up on ebay for a ton of cash and you have to pay out more for them.

We are offering you guys the chance to get the entire BLAM! COPOTA package:

1 Limited Replica Edition of Landon's Dog Tags

1 Limited Bio Trading Card Set featuring art by Matt Busch and teaser info about the novel. The first 5 released cards are included here, as the rest aren't going to be made available until later in the year. Eventually there will be 9 in total for this book (and we will offer you the other four later when we produce them for future conventions) !

1 13"x19" Glossy cardstock print entitled "ALPHA" by artist Joe Jusko

1 13"x19" Glossy cardstock print entitled "OMEGA" by artist Sanjulian

Both prints are limited to 500 each and are numbered! I am reserving low numbers for the fan groups - again, first come first serve!

To order:

Paypal us at woldugger@aol. com, thats woldugger at aol.com
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payment type: goods

Take advantage of this as soon as possible, I dont think I can hold any stuff back past Thursday and I want to satisfy the true fans as much as possible.

Moderators - please make sure this circulates, thanks!

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----- Original Message -----

From: blamventurer

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:38 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] POTA LISTED ON THE SAN DIEGO COMC-CON WEBSITE

 

Check it out!

http://www.comic- con.org/cci/ cci09_actionfigs _1.php#tag_ blamventures

-Drew

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I was born in 66 so i was like 16 years old in 1980.
i missed most of the seventees
i was an 80's child and in 1990 metal was in full bloom my corvette and my 38 year old girlfriend cat suits wild metal chics and good budds
and good friends too. ahemmm. my band my girls my hair my bass. and everything that came along with it. except that one girl with the std.dont miss her and if shes still alive she owes me for the visit.
all threw that my ape collection grew massivly in the 80's i met roddy
i met ron harper and i met my future wife. so thats what the 90's were for me. and gentlemen the problem with fox is that the piracy rate is crippling the industry not to mention that theres a huge change going on as gene simmons from kiss put it. why make an album or do anything in hollywood when after the first day of a movie opening you can find a ripp of it on the internet. so that coupled with a lack of talented writers and no interest in spending millions on science fiction rewrites and sequels ussually attract hard core fan bases who will see it alot faster then someone whos never been a fan.

Why compare the seventy's with the ninty's?????
I think i know the answer , because the eighty's was better than both put together.
From all the differant types of music , Ska - New Romantic - White Reggae - Pop .
To explain here we go music ( Specials,Madness,UB40,Police,Duran Duran,Human League,Wham,Boy Goerge,Adam Ant, Blondie,Dire Striats,Micheal Jackson,Billy Joel,Diana Ross,Stevie Wonder,L.Richie,E.L.O,Genisis i could keep going.
Movies The continuing saga of Star Wars, Star Trek movies,Back to the future,Close Encounters,Superman , i have become bored with continuing the list ( you get the point, if anyone else would like to continue the list feel free?)
Mark :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I'm going to chime in and say that I think the 90's were far worse than
> the 70's. At least some good things came out of the 70's as far as music,
> movies, and television were concerned. All the 90's gave us was grunge
> and whiny Gen-X twits.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> >>I know many of you are a little younger than I am, but I just want to
> say, as someone who went through the sixties as a kid -- the 70s
> sucked! I couldn't wait for that decade to end. It was the pits. <<
>

Thanks Jeff. Keep us posted and if you can take some pics. :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> Preview night: Went in directly to Blam!Ventures' booth. Met Drew, got my Dog Tags, got the first bio card (Stewart), saw more POTA artwork, and walked away happy. Some of the artwork was great, some ehh. I was wearing my Beneath the Planet of the Apes shirt so Drew would notice me. He was saying this story basically fills in what he was always wondering about when he was a kid. What happened to Landon, how they got the ship, etc...
>
> More to follow after Sunday.
>
> Jeff B

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I 2nd that!  Bravo! - Scott B --- On Thu, 7/23/09, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote: From: lawford42 <lawford42@...> Subject: [pota] Re: (OT) The 70s To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:51 AM   I'm going to chime in and say that I think the 90's were far worse than the 70's. At least some good things came out of the 70's as far as music, movies, and television were concerned. All the 90's gave us was grunge and whiny Gen-X twits.   Chris L.       "Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:    >>I know many of you are a little younger than I am, but I just want to say, as someone who went through the sixties as a kid -- the 70s sucked! I couldn't wait for that decade to end. It was the pits. <<

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Every decade I lived through (60's-now)  had its good and bad points. I think if we concentrate on what happened to us INDIVIDUALLY that was great in each decade we would appreciate them more instead of thinking of them in terms of "the premiere of LIS" or "Babylon 5."

 

Bruce 

 

In a message dated 7/23/2009 8:01:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markhaydon3@... writes:

 

Why compare the seventy's with the ninty's?????
I think i know the answer , because the eighty's was better than both put together.
From all the differant types of music , Ska - New Romantic - White Reggae - Pop .
To explain here we go music ( Specials,Madness, UB40,Police, Duran Duran,Human League,Wham, Boy Goerge,Adam Ant, Blondie,Dire Striats,Micheal Jackson,Billy Joel,Diana Ross,Stevie Wonder,L.Richie, E.L.O,Genisis i could keep going.
Movies The continuing saga of Star Wars, Star Trek movies,Back to the future,Close Encounters,Superman , i have become bored with continuing the list ( you get the point, if anyone else would like to continue the list feel free?)
Mark :)
--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, lawford42 <lawford42@. ..> wrote:
>
> I'm going to chime in and say that I think the 90's were far worse than
> the 70's. At least some good things came out of the 70's as far as music,
> movies, and television were concerned. All the 90's gave us was grunge
> and whiny Gen-X twits.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Haristas@.. ." <Haristas@.. .> wrote:
>
> >>I know many of you are a little younger than I am, but I just want to
> say, as someone who went through the sixties as a kid -- the 70s
> sucked! I couldn't wait for that decade to end. It was the pits. <<
>

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Exciting, knowing this is going on - and frustrating being the other side of The Pond!

I spy with my little eye...

On the table: The two prints we know about, the dog tags and the trading cards. There also seems to be a third print - a larger version of which can be seen on the wall, far right. Looks to me like Landon saying 'howdy' to the locals - very Pierre Boulle!

Also on the table, right hand corner of the pic is what I thought at first to be the movie poster for the Nic Cage film 'Knowing' but it ain't.

09-13-09?

Is that the Icarus/Liberty approaching Earth?

On the wall, left to right is the art for the Stewart card, some pencil roughs? Another image of Apes on horseback against the sun and above that there's some kind of long strip of art I can't make out.

Come on guys... move the camera a little will ya!

Dave

There are teeth marks around my computer with the frustration and jealousy at not being there myself, but I'm truly grateful to see this pic.Thanks! The white faced girl is a bit frightening, however.John.

>
> FYI
>
>
>
> Subject: I present to you the Booth
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <http://blogpress.w18.net/photos/09/07/23/404.jpg>
>
>
>
> Just arrived at the convention center and the booth looks awesome!
>
> If your here, stop by.
>
> <https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3483260653514133935-6213239201663515645?l=theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com>
>
>
> View <http://theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-present-to-you-booth.html"> article...
>

Is there ANY word on the previously mooted new Apes movie? It's all gone deathly silent. John, Scrolls.

This seller didn't waste any time!

eBay Item number: 200366362254

Dave

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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Happy Birthday Nova!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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TGIF! This week's installment of APE CITY CHRONICLES is now available.

To access click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm

Also, continuing the 35th Anniversary celebration of Marvel's POTA Magazine, issue #2 is now available on the mini-site. To access click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

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• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
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Not a word in months.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Is there ANY word on the previously mooted new Apes movie? It's all gone deathly silent. John, Scrolls.
>

Well a least he provided a nice pic of the dogtags:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> This seller didn't waste any time!
>
> eBay Item number: 200366362254
>
> Dave
>

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He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone. Given POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in Beneath change your thought on that?
FF

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dear group, found some great photos on our birthday girl nova . enjoy from william burge

According to "The Sins of the Father," his father took him to see it when he was young, to teach him the danger man represents.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" <farkle.freddy@...> wrote:
> He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone. Given POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in Beneath change your thought on that?
> FF
>

Don't think so. There is no evidence that Zaius had ever personally explored the Forbidden Zone. And in Beneath he seems shocked at the site of New York which reinforces that while he knew of human civilization, he had never actually seen the ruins of it.  

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" <farkle.freddy@...> wrote:
>
> He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone. Given POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in Beneath change your thought on that?
> FF
>

While an interesting story, it is not canon.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> According to "The Sins of the Father," his father took him to see it when he was young, to teach him the danger man represents.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" farkle.freddy@ wrote:
> > He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone. Given POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in Beneath change your thought on that?
> > FF
> >
>

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Answer: In development hell, of course, and we all know how that
worked out the last time.

Really, what is there to get excited about? It won't be the same.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10 am
Subject: [pota] New Movie Where Art Thou?








Is there ANY word on the previously mooted new Apes movie? It's all
gone deathly silent. John, Scrolls.

Ah, the old "El Rancho!" That's were you go to see PLANET.... at the
El Rancho!

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc: billburge48@...
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:38 am
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dear group , heres a planet ad from victoria, texas dated april 17,1968
.enjoy from william burge

One of the early drafts of the PLANET script had Taylor shot just after
he sees the statue. Zaius and his gorillas ride up to the body after
Nova runs away and look at the statue. I forget exactly what it is
Zaius says about it.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:41 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Had Zaius seen the statue of liberty?









While an interesting story, it is not canon.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> According to "The Sins of the Father," his father took him to see
it when he was young, to teach him the danger man represents.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" farkle.freddy@ wrote:
> > He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone.
Given POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in
Beneath change your thought on that?
> > FF
> >
>

In my opinion, the whole canon concept has made fandom a lot less enjoyable than it used to be. Years ago, we enjoyed stories, or we didn't. Now, all anyone can talk about anymore is whether or not a particular story is canon. Personally, I couldn't care less if any of it is canon or non-canon, since it's all fiction and didn't happen. If I like it, then it's good. If not, then I don't bother re-reading or re-watching it. This is particularly true for Planet of the Apes, which has no overseer deeming anything canon or non-canon--and I'm very grateful for that, as that sort of thing has soured so many other franchises for me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> While an interesting story, it is not canon.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > According to "The Sins of the Father," his father took him to see it
> when he was young, to teach him the danger man represents.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" farkle.freddy@ wrote:
> > > He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone. Given
> POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in
> Beneath change your thought on that?
> > > FF
> > >
> >
>

Oh that's fantastic!!! I can't wait to get mine.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:44 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Well a least he provided a nice pic of the dogtags:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> This seller didn't waste any time!
>
> eBay Item number: 200366362254
>
> Dave
>

Canon just gives a baseline or foundation for others to build upon. When there is an interesting topic for discussion about the films, I find it less enjoyable when it is shut down before anyone else has a chance to comment by citing an old comic story as if that should be the last word on the subject.

I'm sure that the people who created the Malibu comics never considered themselves constrained by what Marvel had done. Nor was MR constrained by anything Malibu or Marvel had done before them. I would also bet that if you asked Ty Templeton or Joe O'Brien, they would be the first to admit that what they did in Revolution is not canon and no one else, like Blam! Ventures, should have to alter their interpretation and creative process to conform to what they did in Revolution.

One of the problems with a decades old franchise that has had multiple licensees over the years is that there is too many contradictions and conflicts. Recognizing canon just gives everyone an agreed upon starting point and we can can go from there. Marvel's Quest for the POTA and MR's Revolution present two conflicting versions of the events between Conquest and Battle. Rather than have one faction declare that because Quest came first Revolution should be ignored and another faction taking the opposite, recognizing that neither are canon leave room for both interpretations and any future interpretations that might make a great story (or interesting discussion) for fans to enjoy.  By stating that since someone already addressed a particular topic or issue so that's the final word on it and any future exploration of it is invalid just stifles creativity.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, the whole canon concept has made fandom a lot less enjoyable than it used to be. Years ago, we enjoyed stories, or we didn't. Now, all anyone can talk about anymore is whether or not a particular story is canon. Personally, I couldn't care less if any of it is canon or non-canon, since it's all fiction and didn't happen. If I like it, then it's good. If not, then I don't bother re-reading or re-watching it. This is particularly true for Planet of the Apes, which has no overseer deeming anything canon or non-canon--and I'm very grateful for that, as that sort of thing has soured so many other franchises for me.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > While an interesting story, it is not canon.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > According to "The Sins of the Father," his father took him to see it
> > when he was young, to teach him the danger man represents.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" farkle.freddy@ wrote:
> > > > He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone. Given
> > POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in
> > Beneath change your thought on that?
> > > > FF
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I think he says something like a graven idol of man or something similar.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> One of the early drafts of the PLANET script had Taylor shot just after
> he sees the statue. Zaius and his gorillas ride up to the body after
> Nova runs away and look at the statue. I forget exactly what it is
> Zaius says about it.
>
> -- Rory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James JamesA1102@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:41 am
> Subject: [pota] Re: Had Zaius seen the statue of liberty?
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> While an interesting story, it is not canon.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" &lt;handleyr@&gt; wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt; According to "The Sins of the Father," his father took him to see
> it when he was young, to teach him the danger man represents.
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" farkle.freddy@ wrote:
> &gt; &gt; He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone.
> Given POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in
> Beneath change your thought on that?
> &gt; &gt; FF
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt;
>

Spoken like a true sage, Rory.

Jessica.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:50 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Answer: In development hell, of course, and we all know how that
worked out the last time.

Really, what is there to get excited about? It won't be the same.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: shanter2002 <john@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10 am
Subject: [pota] New Movie Where Art Thou?



Is there ANY word on the previously mooted new Apes movie? It's all
gone deathly silent. John, Scrolls.

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Folks, I TRULY believe that there is something about apes that will always set it apart from other stories. Apes appears (like Trek and Star Wars-yep even Batman) to die out with everything but their hardcore fan bases-may last for 10-15 years-but it seems to come back. As an ape fanatic-I know how much I love the series. The more people we involve in our "Fun" and passion-the more we'll get to realize just how special it is. We all know that there are millions of Apes fans out there. If we keep the passion alive and keep asking for apes products and stories and keep on keeping the mythology...and don't kid yourselves..It is Mythology at this point-someone will get wise that there is a place for intelligent (and fun) science fiction and social commentary and finally make a new movie that honors the original films. We just have to keep on keeping on with sharing our passion with others. There is something-pardon the pun-primal and very resonant deep within about this world-so I don't think it will ever truly "die" out and especially not with the money that was made on the last one. Heck, It's Linda "Nova" Harrison's birthday today and it's in the stars- Apes will Never Die because the Apes are Us.:)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Answer: In development hell, of course, and we all know how that
> worked out the last time.
>
> Really, what is there to get excited about? It won't be the same.
>
> -- Rory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shanter2002 <john@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10 am
> Subject: [pota] New Movie Where Art Thou?
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Is there ANY word on the previously mooted new Apes movie? It's all
> gone deathly silent. John, Scrolls.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>By stating that since someone already addressed a particular
>topic or issue so that's the final word on it and any future
>exploration of it is invalid just stifles creativity.

Oh, I quite agree. Luckily, no one seems to be doing that.

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"How many times can you watch the same film?"

Well, so far I'm well over the 400 times mark!

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: [pota] What's to get excited about?
















Good question.



I am excited because Fox has employed a
writer of intelligent sci-fi. To me this means they understood this is
a
necessary starting point.



How can that NOT be exciting to any fair
dinkum POTA fan?



How many times can you watch the same
film?



I'm excited because the film series
I love is flawed by ridiculous plot holes by sloppy makers – it's
the OPPOSITE to INTELLIGENT sci-fi. And I think someone with a proper
vision could tell a far better story – and a sequence of stories,
without
actually REAMKING anything.



I'm excited because they are
starting with the ape revolution, or at least with the beginnings of
it, and it
they make it so this movie is a PREQUEL to PLANET, with none of the
ridiculousness of CONQUEST where we are supposed to believe the apes are
telepathic, and have evolved almost overnight from that stupid gorilla
who
killed Milo to intelligent servants. Maybe Scott Frank has
a FAR better
way to explain it – I think my 7 year old twins probably would!





And if Mr Frank does it right, and has
this as the ORIGINAL revolution (pre planet, on a timeline that does
not repeat
ad infinitum), then it's even better because Rory can still watch Planet
and we'll just have a prequel to it that lends itself to quite a few
more
prequels.



This can be done.



Michael











From:
pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Haristas@...

Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 2:50
AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [pota] Re: New Movie
Where Art Thou?













Really, what is there to get excited about? It won't
be the same.



-- Rory

















.

"Rory – how can it be in development hell?"

This is Fox we're talking about! HELLO?!!!!!!

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: New Movie Where Art Thou?
















I've been in touch with Missy Davy,
who is Scott Frank's Personal Assistant.



Her attitude was originally quite
friendly, and she's still friendly but not at all informative.



She was the person who put me straight
about Scott being the writer, not the director (and all the articles
were
dubbing him as director so that tells you haw accurate the press is).



I sent a string of interview questions for
"The Forbidden Zine" and she referred me to a fellow at FOX.



The fellow at FOX emailed me back and said
"no progress, nothing to report, could you please send your phone number
so I can update you"….so I did.



Rory – how can it be in development
hell? It's only at the writing stage – there's no
actors chosen, no director…..nothing (and this WAS confirmed by Missy
ages ago).



It's waiting to be scripted –
end of story.



Michael
0A










From:
pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Haristas@...

Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 2:50
AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [pota] Re: New Movie
Where Art Thou?
















Answer: In development hell, of course, and we all
know how that

worked out the last time.



Really, what is there to get excited about? It won't be the same.



-- Rory



-----Original Message-----

From: shanter2002 <john@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10 am

Subject: [pota] New Movie Where Art Thou?







Is there ANY word on the previously mooted new Apes movie? It's all

gone deathly silent. John, Scrolls.

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"Apes will Never Die because the Apes are Us."

Let's see... the last time I checked... US DIES!!!!!

Oh, wait.... News from the future has just crashlanded off the coast of
my bathroom sink...

2059: a child is born of two humans.

2068: Child, now nearly nine years old, stumbles across satellite
channel showing antique films on the wall screen. Watches 100th
anniversary of obsure 20th Century (Fox) science fiction film (not
2001).

A new fan is born!

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: hellboygbo <hellboygbo@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: New Movie Where Art Thou?












Folks, I TRULY believe that there is something about apes that will
always set it apart from other stories. Apes appears (like Trek and
Star Wars-yep even Batman) to die out with everything but their
hardcore fan bases-may last for 10-15 years-but it seems to come back.
As an ape fanatic-I know how much I love the series. The more people we
involve in our "Fun" and passion-the more we'll get to realize just how
special it is. We all know that there are millions of Apes fans out
there. If we keep the passion alive and keep asking for apes products
and stories and keep on keeping the mythology...and don't kid
yourselves..It is Mythology at this point-someone will get wise that
there is a place for intellig
ent (and fun) science fiction and social
commentary and finally make a new movie that honors the original films.
We just have to keep on keeping on with sharing our passion with
others. There is something-pardon the pun-primal and very resonant deep
within about this world-so I don't think it will ever truly "die" out
and especially not with the money that was made on the last one. Heck,
It's Linda "Nova" Harrison's birthday today and it's in the stars- Apes
will Never Die because the Apes are Us.:)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>

> Answer: In development hell, of course, and we all know how that

> worked out the last time.

>

> Really, what is there to get excited about? It won't be the same.

>

> -- Rory

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: shanter2002 <john@...>

> To: pota@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10 am

> Subject: [pota] New Movie Where Art Thou?

>

> Â

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Is there ANY word on the previously mooted new Apes movie? It's
all

> gone deathly silent. John, Scrolls.

>

Bill, is there anyway you can look at New Jersey or Long Island
(Newsday) papers from September or October 1971. People here tell me
that the PLANET/BENEATH double feature never played in NYC, but I
wonder if it did in the general area at local theatres?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc: billburge48@...
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:32 pm
Subject: [pota] texas planet ad [2 Attachments]








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dear group, heres a planet ad i found from el paso, texas dated june 5,
1968 enjoy from william burge

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I guess must be nice to get paid to write an "original" screenplay which so blatantly lifts from several previous films. The difficult part must be figuring out who to dance around the legal implications of such actions avoiding charges from the writers, producers and or studios one is "borrowing" from. ...no wonder it's taking so much time. Things were so much simpler years ago - you know, when writers really did write "original" scripts and stories.  When concepts were new, different and NOT "re-worked, re-imagined, or just NOT RIP-OFFS. - Scott B. --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...> wrote: From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...> Subject: [pota] What's to get excited about? To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 6:41 PM   Good question.   I am excited because Fox has employed a writer of intelligent sci-fi.  To me this means they understood this is a necessary starting point.   How can that NOT be exciting to any fair dinkum POTA fan?   How many times can you watch the same film?   I'm excited because the film series I love is flawed by ridiculous plot holes by sloppy makers – it's the OPPOSITE to INTELLIGENT sci-fi.  And I think someone with a proper vision could tell a far better story – and a sequence of stories, without actually REAMKING anything.   I'm excited because they are starting with the ape revolution, or at least with the beginnings of it, and it they make it so this movie is a PREQUEL to PLANET, with none of the ridiculousness of CONQUEST where we are supposed to believe the apes are telepathic, and have evolved almost overnight from that stupid gorilla who killed Milo to intelligent servants.  Maybe Scott Frank has a FAR better way to explain it – I think my 7 year old twins probably would! And if Mr Frank does it right, and has this as the ORIGINAL revolution (pre planet, on a timeline that does not repeat ad infinitum), then it's even better because Rory can still watch Planet and we'll just have a prequel to it that lends itself to quite a few more prequels.   This can be done.   Michael   From: pota@yahoogroups. com [pota@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Haristas@aol. com Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 2:50 AM To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: [pota] Re: New Movie Where Art Thou? Really, what is there to get excited about? It won't be the same. -- Rory .

Great minds think alike;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, I quite agree. Luckily, no one seems to be doing that.
>

For me the main problem I have with Burton is that he made a film about apes. He forgot that the Apes (and their society) are meant to be an allegory for us.

I remember once reading somewhere that in the original they could have gone the cheap route and had the apes screeching and bearing their teeth to scare everyone. I always found it ironic that the first shot of an ape in Burton's film it is screehing and bearing its teeth.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> wrote:
>
> my only problem here is it seems that if pota does something every other studio does something return of kong blahhh blahhhh blahhhhh maybe either stealing the hoopla to the point of wearing people out. i want another ape movie but nothing like burtons views that really pissed me off i mean nothing he ever did was that bad why try to do it to the apes.
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: hellboygbo hellboygbo@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:43:57 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New Movie Where Art Thou?
>
>
>
>

Only 400? I'm disappointed in you;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "How many times can you watch the same film?"
>
> Well, so far I'm well over the 400 times mark!
>
> -- Rory
>

What I find disturbing is the silence about it. At least during the ten years they were developing the remake there would be period news. I believe the initial news reports stated that there was supposed to be a determination from FOX last February as to whether Scott Frank was to be given the green light to write the script. But there was never any news on if that happened or not, so it is unknown if the project is going forward, is in turnaround or complete dead at this point. We'll just have to wait and see.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "Rory â€" how can it be in development hell?"
>
> This is Fox we're talking about! HELLO?!!!!!!
>
> -- Rory
>

Once again, very cool William. Thanks!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, heres a planet ad i found from el paso, texas dated june 5, 1968  enjoy from william burge
>

Since FOX owns the property I would think the legal issues would be minimal.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> I guess must be nice to get paid to write an "original" screenplay which so blatantly lifts from several previous films. The difficult part must be figuring out who to dance around the legal implications of such actions avoiding charges from the writers, producers and or studios one is "borrowing" from.
> ...no wonder it's taking so much time.
> Things were so much simpler years ago - you know, when writers really did write "original" scripts and stories.  When concepts were new, different and NOT "re-worked, re-imagined, or just NOT RIP-OFFS.
> - Scott B.
>

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Thanks Alex!

And in case anyone wants to visit Alex's POTA site it's at: http://www.potacollective.com/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I'd say it's completely dead at this point.
> Which is why I didn't call my latest site, "CaesarMovie.com" or something.
> Went with Scificountdown.com for the simple fact that at least there will always be a good scifi-movie to count down every once and a while.
>
> At least with Caesar I can always post the latest POTA news such as Conspiracy of the POTA, Timeline and so on.
> If any of you ever want me to post the latest on any upcoming fanzines or anything, remember, I'm only an e-mail away. :o)
>
> Al 
>
>
>
>
> > From: James JamesA1102@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 9:45:09 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New Movie Where Art Thou?
>
>  

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Mmm, true.  They also own the rights to PROJECT X. So I suppose it more like to relatives mating and having a moron child. However, they don't own the rights to A.I. which according to what's been written about the APES film seems to have one element of that too.  So in the end we might get a slight rights issue, or illegal misdemeanor.  Which might add up to a bastard moron. - Scott B. --- On Sat, 7/25/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] Re: What's to get excited about? To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 9:47 AM   Since FOX owns the property I would think the legal issues would be minimal. --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...> wrote: > > I guess must be nice to get paid to write an "original" screenplay which so blatantly lifts from several previous films. The difficult part must be figuring out who to dance around the legal implications of such actions avoiding charges from the writers, producers and or studios one is "borrowing" from. > ...no wonder it's taking so much time. > Things were so much simpler years ago - you know, when writers really did write "original" scripts and stories.  When concepts were new, different and NOT "re-worked, re-imagined, or just NOT RIP-OFFS. > - Scott B. >

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Given the primacy and quality of POTA1, I offer the hypothesis that Zaius had seen the statue, and that he knew a helluva lot more than he ever told any other ape. He would have made that venture into the forbidden zone alone.

The other POTA flicks, being distincly inferior IMHO in most qualities, are enlightening only to the extent that they don't conflict with the stunning original. POTA1 even surpasses the novel in quality, so I keep returning to it as the closest thing to the real thing. And yes, I know it's not real. Thanks for indulging this.
FF

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Canon just gives a baseline or foundation for others to build upon. When
> there is an interesting topic for discussion about the films, I find it
> less enjoyable when it is shut down before anyone else has a chance to
> comment by citing an old comic story as if that should be the last word
> on the subject.
>
> I'm sure that the people who created the Malibu comics never considered
> themselves constrained by what Marvel had done. Nor was MR constrained
> by anything Malibu or Marvel had done before them. I would also bet that
> if you asked Ty Templeton or Joe O'Brien, they would be the first to
> admit that what they did in Revolution is not canon and no one else,
> like Blam! Ventures, should have to alter their interpretation and
> creative process to conform to what they did in Revolution.
>
> One of the problems with a decades old franchise that has had multiple
> licensees over the years is that there is too many contradictions and
> conflicts. Recognizing canon just gives everyone an agreed upon starting
> point and we can can go from there. Marvel's Quest for the POTA and MR's
> Revolution present two conflicting versions of the events between
> Conquest and Battle. Rather than have one faction declare that because
> Quest came first Revolution should be ignored and another faction taking
> the opposite, recognizing that neither are canon leave room for both
> interpretations and any future interpretations that might make a great
> story (or interesting discussion) for fans to enjoy. By stating that
> since someone already addressed a particular topic or issue so that's
> the final word on it and any future exploration of it is invalid just
> stifles creativity.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > In my opinion, the whole canon concept has made fandom a lot less
> enjoyable than it used to be. Years ago, we enjoyed stories, or we
> didn't. Now, all anyone can talk about anymore is whether or not a
> particular story is canon. Personally, I couldn't care less if any of it
> is canon or non-canon, since it's all fiction and didn't happen. If I
> like it, then it's good. If not, then I don't bother re-reading or
> re-watching it. This is particularly true for Planet of the Apes, which
> has no overseer deeming anything canon or non-canon--and I'm very
> grateful for that, as that sort of thing has soured so many other
> franchises for me.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > > While an interesting story, it is not canon.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > According to "The Sins of the Father," his father took him to see
> it
> > > when he was young, to teach him the danger man represents.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "farkle.freddy" farkle.freddy@ wrote:
> > > > > He knew Taylor would find his destiny in the forbidden zone.
> Given
> > > POTA1, do y'all think had Zaius seen the statue? Does anything in
> > > Beneath change your thought on that?
> > > > > FF
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Cc: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:18 PM

Subject: RE: [pota] FW: San Diego goes Ape!

 

Is that Kevin?

Jess is that YOU?!?!?!

Michael

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From: pota@yahoogroups. com [pota@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of James
Sent: Sunday, 26 July 2009 10:42 AM
To: POTA Group
Subject: [pota] FW: San Diego goes Ape!

 

Posted on: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:30 PM
Author: Christian Berntsen
Subject: San Diego goes Ape!

We were invaded! Thanks to Jeff & family, and PofAfan for letting us share their pictures. You guys are great!

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