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>>Just wanted to say that I'm formally bailing on this thread. Way

----- Original Message -----

From: rassmguy

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:39 AM

Subject: [pota] "My Name Is Urko"

 

James, that "My Name Is Urko" image is hilarious. I'm a die-hard "My Name Is Earl" fan, so I burst out laughing upon seeing that. Bravo!

(I find it particularly hilarious that Urko also has a brother named Randy.)

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>>One of the early drafts of the PLANET script had Taylor shot just

>>> But we know that they were both lying to the Commission about

>>All the lies they told were lies of omission so this doesn't really

>>The Human remains in the cave and the doll are 2,000 years old, not

>>All the ruins seen in Beneath are from the 20th Century.

>>Taylor even refers to the bomb as a souvenir from the 20th Century.

>>> Truthfully, there's more that's been established in

>>> The audience didn't witness the nuclear war either but takes

>>Except that many of the characters who

>>>Exactly my point. If something is an element of the story it is

>>I don't think that anyone ever called it a masterpiece; just a

>>The aforementioned album also received glowing

>But it is also one of the best reviewed films of the year. It has a

>>Yeah, but commercially successful doesn't necessarily translate

>>If I knew the location of JJ Abrams house, I would only go there

>>If you hadn't said that you loved it, my question about almost

>>PS I saw Star Trek last night and loved it although I almost

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...> wrote:
> I agree that he must have seen the statue, there was a bit of foreshadowing when he told heston "You may not like what you find". It is cool that TV Zaius also knew a lot more than he cared to share, just too bad that the series did not last longer to dive deeper.
>
> Chris Sutton
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
> By stripping out everything that made the franchise popular in the first
> place. Not matter how you sum that up, it's a hollow victory at best.
>
> Ultimately, how anything stands up over the course of time is it's true
> testament. One journalist- when writing about POTA 2001- said something
> like "30 years from now, people will only be talking about the original".
> I'll be curious how Abrams yuppie Star Trek fares the course.

>>Which means that familiar landmarks were still around 500 years

Well if you want to go by Dehn's original screenplay in it he describes the portrait of Mendez I (dated 1997) as a U.S. General wearing a 20th Century uniform.

As far as the futuristic city, in the original screenplay Mendez says the mutants built it "out of the blackened bowels of the old".

But instead of trying to interpret Dehn, we can just go by what the man himself said about it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Dehn/Dehn1.jpg please not the highlighted paragraph at the bottom of the page.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I wrote:
>
> >>Which means that familiar landmarks were still around 500 years later.
> That's not much of a stretch. Plus in Dehn's original screenplay, the
> underground city that Brent comes upon is futuristic looking and devoid
> of any familiar landmarks. <<
>
>
> I meant to include in this paragraph that the futuristic looking
> underground city was a clear indicator that Dehn did not intend to convey
> that the nuclear war happened 2000 prior to the events in PLANET and
> BENEATH. As has been pointed out with what initially appeared as a
> throwaway line about Zira's pregnancy, Dehn probably had a lot more
> planned out and worked into these scripts than he gets credit for.
>
>
> Chris L.
> > Need Medical Insurance? Click here for affordable quotes.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTInCQUlwXA1oiKTqVA05CA5BTnDrQyU5zbhFhoDjfPIt9lBBhEw0Y/
>

Very good points Rich! I agree with you 100%. Of course that is just my personal opinion.

Everyone has the right to dislike a movie. I like many bad films and dislike many good one. I think we all make the mistake of think just be cause I like a film it must be good and if I dislike it it's bad. But its really just a matter of personal taste.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I have to respectfully disagree, Chris. I'm a MAJOR fan of the classic series, to the point of bizarreness, but I thought Abrams' film was fantastic--and easily the closest in tone to Roddenberry's version of Star Trek. Everything that made the '60s series so much fun was present in this film--the humor, the excitement, the wonky science, the characterizations. Right across the board, this film got so much closer to the feel of the original series than any of the other films did.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 lawford42@ wrote:
> > By stripping out everything that made the franchise popular in the first
> > place. Not matter how you sum that up, it's a hollow victory at best.
> >
> > Ultimately, how anything stands up over the course of time is it's true
> > testament. One journalist- when writing about POTA 2001- said something
> > like "30 years from now, people will only be talking about the original".
> > I'll be curious how Abrams yuppie Star Trek fares the course.
>

OK so we'll pick this up again in 2039 and see what happened. LOL

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Ultimately, how anything stands up over the course of time is it's true
> testament. One journalist- when writing about POTA 2001- said something
> like "30 years from now, people will only be talking about the original".
> I'll be curious how Abrams yuppie Star Trek fares the course.
>
>
> Chris L.

Oddly he also has a ex-wife named Joy. ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> James, that "My Name Is Urko" image is hilarious. I'm a die-hard "My Name Is Earl" fan, so I burst out laughing upon seeing that. Bravo!
>
> (I find it particularly hilarious that Urko also has a brother named Randy.)
>

Please Jeff, tell us more about the Con and the BLAM! Ventures display.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> Yes that's Kevin. No it's not Jess, it's Lacey, me, and Lexi (as Nova). Funny though, someone stopped Lacey and asked her if she was Jess. I didn't see his name.
>
> Jeff B

Very cool guys! Thanks of sharing.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Tim Parati, the Japanese program for BENEATH is now available
> for viewing/download from my site:
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

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Interesting point Tim! Zaius' main goal in life is to hide all evidence that man once ruled the planet. He blew up the cave without a second thought. Why would he leave a giant monument of man's standing in the Forbidden Zone that could be found someday? If he knew it was there, why didn't he just blow it up.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> why wouldn't he have had it blown up?
>
>
>
>
> > From: Chris Sutton apecityusa@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:30:12 PM
> Subject: [pota] Zaius and the statue
>
>
> I agree that he must have seen the statue, there was a bit of foreshadowing when he told heston "You may not like what you find". It is cool that TV Zaius also knew a lot more than he cared to share, just too bad that the series did not last longer to dive deeper.
>
> Chris Sutton
>

Great ads William. Thank you.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, heres some more ads. enjoy from william burge
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> Oddly he also has a ex-wife named Joy. ;-)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > James, that "My Name Is Urko" image is hilarious. I'm a die-hard "My
> Name Is Earl" fan, so I burst out laughing upon seeing that. Bravo!
> >
> > (I find it particularly hilarious that Urko also has a brother named
> Randy.)
> >
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
>
> But you have to remember that these are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS in a written
> story, so you really can't apply that kind of logic. You have to go with
> the presumption that writers intend what they write to be
> truthful/factual UNLESS they specify something to the contrary.

Very true but it is also a trick used by many writers to get themselves off the hook for inconsistancies. For example, in the Star Trek:TNG episode where Scotty is found he makes a statement that Kirk was still alive when he was lost. Yet in the movie Star Trek Generations the audience sees that Scotty was present when Kirk was lost & presumed dead. So which version is correct. Obviously the version that the audience witnesses.

> You yourself pointed out that Dehn clearly identified to the audience that
> Cornelius & Zira were lying to the Commission and "If it was an element
> of the story that they had lied in either case, there would have been
> some indication of it to let the audience know". Similarly, if he had
> intended that Cornelius & Zira's retelling of ape history was factually
> incorrect, the audience would have been informed of that as well.

Now two things about Dehn should be noted. When he wrote each film he thought it was the last of the series so in many ways he wasn't planning ahead to the next film. Also, he did make a lot of mistakes when it came to the details (i.e. 3978 vs. 3955). So when he wrote that scene in Escape I would bet that he wasn't pay much attention to how it contradicted what had been established in Planet & Beneath or even Cornelius' line about apes speaking English for 2,000 years nor was he thinking forward to what he would do if there was a fourth film.

> Having one statement where Cornelius says that the apes spoke a certain language
> for nearly 2000 years and another where both he and Zira say that the
> downfall of humanity took place 500 years after apes were first taken in
> as pets contradict each other. If anything, it comes across as more of a
> botched attempt at lying for fear of repercussion. Which they admitted
> doing to Lewis and Stevie.
>

But they never said that Cornelius had lied about that. Why would Cornelius lie about that? What would be his motivation? They have far greater motivation to lie about the 500 year timeline. But I don't buy that they were lying about that either, as some have contented. In both cases the dialogue is written and delivered as if the characters are speaking the truth as they know it. But that's the out for the writer for any future inconsistancies that may arise. They thought it was the truth but they were mistaken. Terry Nation commented on a similar situation in regard to the origins of the Daleks. When he did an origin story in the '70s many fans complained that elements of it were inconsistant with a version the origin story that had been related in an earlier episode from the '60s. Nation admits that he revised the origin story and that any inconsistancy could be attributed to the first version was due to it coming from centuries-old oral history which was simply wrong.

>
>
> They specifically said that they DIDN'T know Taylor, when in fact they
> did. That's not a lie of omission. That's a lie.
>

Point taken. Can't disagree with that.
>
> 
> Which Zaius disputes. Regardless of his trying to hide the true history
> of the planet, anyone involved in archeology knows that dating artifacts
> is an extremely subjective thing. So that date was both brought up and
> dismissed in the screenplay, i.e. addresses by the writers.
>
>

It's not dismissed in the screenplay. The point of that scene is not that Cornelius was wrong but that Zaius is trying to kill his theory anyway he can.

>
> Which means that familiar landmarks were still around 500 years later.
> That's not much of a stretch. Plus in Dehn's original screenplay, the
> underground city that Brent comes upon is futuristic looking and devoid
> of any familiar landmarks. In fact, Brent doesn't find out he's back on
> Earth until the Mutants are interrogating him. Now whether or not we
> ended up seeing 20th Century ruins because of limited productions costs
> (William Creber's explanation in BEHIND the POTA of how current
> photographs of NYC were used to show futuristic ruins), or because they
> wanted something visually on par with the ruins of the Statue of Liberty
> is something we'll never know. But if there had been a bit of exposition
> definitively stating that the nuclear war originally happened in the
> 2500's, NO ONE would have had a problem accepting the fact that the
> Statue of Liberty was still there. So why question the other landmarks?
>

Well there wasn't any exposition to say that. And if landmarks from the 20th Century had survived why didn't any from the 25th? Surely some should have but we never seen any of them. All the audience is shown is from the 20th Century.

As far as what was in the original script I already addressed it here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/54329
>
> 
>
>
> In Escape, it's established that the original downfall of humanity took
> place 500 years after apes were taken in as pets. Late 20th Century + 500
> years = 2500's.

It's not definitively established because the audience never sees it and it is inconsistant with too many things that had come before.

> In the TV series, a book shows NYC in the year 2503.

References to the TV series are invalid. It was produced and written by different people than who worked on the films. Plus there was never any definitive proof that the TV series and the film series are connected. And the TV series contradicted itself by the third episode, "The Trap".

> Again, 500 years. Not only is that Math 101, but you're really getting to
> the point where you could also apply the principle of Occam's razor as
> well. There are far more explanations necessary to justify the circular
> timeline than the alternate one. Far more assumptions as well.

No just one assumption; that the 500 year timeframe related by C&Z was inaccurate. Whereas the other way around you have to assume that Cornelius' dating of the artifacts in the cave was wrong, that no landmarks from the 21st, 22nd, 23rd 24th or 25th centuries survived a nuclear war but somehow a bunch from the 20th century did, that Human civilization still used nuclear weapons in the 25th century & that no other powerful or effective weapons had been developed in the intervening 500 years so they kept around the 500 year old Alpha-Omega bomb just in case and that Cornelius was lying when he said apes spoke english for 500 years. That's a lot of assumptions.

> Granted both require some explanation with certain parts, but it's much simpler
> to accept that Cornelius & Zira were telling the truth than assume that
> Dehn deliberately wrote an inaccuracy into his own screenplay and then
> never addressed it.

Not saying that Dehn did so deliberately just that he made a continuity error which is not hard to believe since he made others.

> Additionally, almost any time travel story EVER
> written has focused on the concept of how going back in time will alter
> future events.

Well that is just not true. Many, many time travel stories were written as a time loop. The original Terminator was, so were many episodes of The Twilight Zone, Star Trek, Doctor Who and even Stargate. But examples from other stories or films or TV shows are invalid anyway. POTA exists in its own universe with it's own set of rules. It's like saying just no other story was ever written about the Force, the concept can't be used in Star Wars.

> This was even addressed in ESCAPE when Hasslein and the
> President were discussing what to do after Hasslein presents the
> recording he made of Zira when she was drunk. Everyone seems to forget
> that even though Cornelius & Zira travelled back to 1973, that didn't
> negate the events that brought them there in the first place. All that
> history still happened (hence their very existence), but their arrival at
> a point in time where they previously didn't exist will obviously have an
> effect. Which we see in CONQUEST.

>
>
>
> I seem to have forgotten which character in PLANET/BENEATH was alive for
> centuries and had witnessed the original downfall of mankind.

But the audience witnessed the results of those events.

>
>
>
> Like Cornelius & Zira telling that oft referred to history of mankind's
> downfall? That's an element of the story.

It's really not an element of the story is is just backstory. You can cut that entire scene from Escape and it wouldn't make a difference in how the rest of the film proceeds.

>
>
>
> Except that the guy who wrote the screenplays worked that exact idea in
> matter-of-factly.

Why work it in 'matter-of-factly' when he could have just stated it directly? Why is there not one like of dialogue that does so?

But if you want to know what Dehn did state directly, take a look at this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Dehn/Dehn2.jpg and this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Dehn/Dehn3.jpg please not the highlighted text which are direct quotes from Dehn.

> Unless you want to argue that he was ignoring what he
> wrote in his own previous screenplays?

No just that he made mistakes on some details. And if you go back and re-read the second paragraph here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Dehn/Dehn3.jpg is sounds like he was ignoring the 500 year timeframe when he wrote Conquest.

> He would also later revisit this same theme in BATTLE. And again, the circular
> timeline takes continuity errors to justify extrapolation,

No way! The alternate timeline is an extrapolation based on a continuity error that can be explained in many other ways. It totally ignores many things established before as well as dialogue such as Milo saying "Earth will be destroyed just as we saw it, the Lawgiver saying that C&Z "decended on Earth from Earth's own future" and Caesar telling Aldo, "I went looking for my past but found our future" and Paul Dehn's direct quotes about it.

> while proponents of the alternate timeline use established dates in the films that essentially work overall.

What established dates? And exactly how do they work overall? Please be specific.

Once more, we have Occam's razor.
>
Well Occam's Razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible. So to explain the inconsistancy of C&Z's 500 year timeframe, there is only one assumption (that it wasn't totally accurate) needed for a circular timeline. Whereas for an altered timeline you need to assume everything established before (listed above) is wrong and that Dehn's direct comments are wrong as well as the dialogue spoken by Hasslein, Milo, the Lawgiver and Caesar is all wrong. Sounds like many more assumptions to me.  

> Prequels seem to be what the fashionable ape is wearing. POTA has
> it's "Caesar" and now there's word of a prequel to "King Kong" (based
> on the book "Kong: King of Skull Island"). Apparently not affiliated
> with Peter Jackson or the recent remake.

> http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php id=57510

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I've heard that people who bought the Burton film DVD were able to
> send away for a postcard explaining the end of the film. Does anyone
> here have that postcard--and, if so, could I please get a scan of it?
>
> Thanks in advance, folks!
>

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:07 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

"Interesting point Tim! Zaius' main goal in life is to hide all
evidence that man once ruled the planet. He blew up the cave without a
second thought. Why would he leave a giant monument of man's standing
in the Forbidden Zone that could be found someday? If he knew it was
there, why didn't he just blow it up."

If they'd used the ending where Taylor was shot and killed, I still
don't think you can assume that Zaius had ever seen the statue before.
Sure, he'd have an answer for what it is, but I don't believe any other
ape beside Cornelius (and whatever other apes where on his
"expedition") had been that far into the Forbidden Zone in the modern
time that the movie took place. If Zaius were all that "all knowing,"
why would he have asked Taylor if there was another tribe? I kind of
think all that Zaius knew came from what he'd read in scrolls.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:07 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Zaius and the statue

 

"Interesting point Tim! Zaius' main goal in life is to hide all
evidence that man once ruled the planet. He blew up the cave without a
second thought. Why would he leave a giant monument of man's standing
in the Forbidden Zone that could be found someday? If he knew it was
there, why didn't he just blow it up."

If they'd used the ending where Taylor was shot and killed, I still
don't think you can assume that Zaius had ever seen the statue before.
Sure, he'd have an answer for what it is, but I don't believe any other
ape beside Cornelius (and whatever other apes where on his
"expedition" ) had been that far into the Forbidden Zone in the modern
time that the movie took place. If Zaius were all that "all knowing,"
why would he have asked Taylor if there was another tribe? I kind of
think all that Zaius knew came from what he'd read in scrolls.

-- Rory

How much was it? And next time take some pictures! ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I happened to see the new Zaius sideshow premium format when I was in NYC this weekend....there was one in a glass case at "forbudden planet" at Broadway and 13th?
> It's freakin huge! For some reason I was thinking he was a 12 incher but he looked more comparable to the SS Lawgiver statue!
>
> I'm looking forward to him as well as these swell gorillas!
> Also got the cosbaby set.......a little too cutesy for my taste but detail is paid attention to.....
> excet for calling the general Urko...... Zira even has blue eyes ( although I know Kim had hazel eyes....)
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Well...if Zaius had seen the statue then he probably knew it was pointless
> to try to destroy it because even he told Ursus that you couldn't bring
> something down made by man with just a clip of bullets. Don't know if that
> counts because it's from Beneath.
>
> Jess.
>
>

Very good points Rory! Everyone seems to forget that Zaius never believes Taylor's story and thinks he is from some human tribe that lives in a jungle beyond the Forbidden Zone.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> If they'd used the ending where Taylor was shot and killed, I still
> don't think you can assume that Zaius had ever seen the statue before.
> Sure, he'd have an answer for what it is, but I don't believe any other
> ape beside Cornelius (and whatever other apes where on his
> "expedition") had been that far into the Forbidden Zone in the modern
> time that the movie took place. If Zaius were all that "all knowing,"
> why would he have asked Taylor if there was another tribe? I kind of
> think all that Zaius knew came from what he'd read in scrolls.
>
> -- Rory
>

No just insulting.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> When Taylor calls Zaius a 'bloody baboon' in Planet, is he being racist?John, Scrolls.
>

That's great William. Where did that come from?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, heres a better view this ape artwork was on a wall on a la subway . enjoy from william burge
>

Sins of the Father is an interesting story and a valid interpetation. But being a comic book story it is not canon so it does not end the discussion and other interpetations are equally valid.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> In the "Sins of the Father" comic book, Zauis' dad showed him the Statue and asked him to preserve the family secret.
> Have you forgotten your scripture?
>
> "It had been 30 years since my father allowed me to share the secret with him. And it has been 3 days since I allowed the talking human named Taylor to share it as well."
>
> Sins of the Father 26:1
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:07 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Zaius and the statue
>
>
> "Interesting point Tim! Zaius' main goal in life is to hide all
> evidence that man once ruled the planet. He blew up the cave without a
> second thought. Why would he leave a giant monument of man's standing
> in the Forbidden Zone that could be found someday? If he knew it was
> there, why didn't he just blow it up."
>
> If they'd used the ending where Taylor was shot and killed, I still
> don't think you can assume that Zaius had ever seen the statue before.
> Sure, he'd have an answer for what it is, but I don't believe any other
> ape beside Cornelius (and whatever other apes where on his
> "expedition") had been that far into the Forbidden Zone in the modern
> time that the movie took place. If Zaius were all that "all knowing,"
> why would he have asked Taylor if there was another tribe? I kind of
> think all that Zaius knew came from what he'd read in scrolls.
>
> -- Rory
>

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:48 AM, <goapebilly@...> wrote:

i have the premium zaius ,it is large and heavy,but sideshow never fixed the costume jacket that many ape fans told them of goapebilly

In a message dated 7/28/2009 9:29:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

How much was it? And next time take some pictures! ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I happened to see the new Zaius sideshow premium format when I was in NYC this weekend....there was one in a glass case at "forbudden planet" at Broadway and 13th?
> It's freakin huge! For some reason I was thinking he was a 12 incher but he looked more comparable to the SS Lawgiver statue!
>
> I'm looking forward to him as well as these swell gorillas!
> Also got the cosbaby set.......a little too cutesy for my taste but detail is paid attention to.....
> excet for calling the general Urko...... Zira even has blue eyes ( although I know Kim had hazel eyes....)
>
>

---

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

Jessica....did you pay a hundred and something bucks for this gorilla then rip his face off???!

Tim

---

From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:47:20 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Hot Toys gorilla

If anybody is interested in seeing my dissection of my Hot Toys gorilla, I've posted photos here:

http://www.sideshow collectors. com/forums/ showthread. php?t=1982&page=339

Jessica.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:48 AM, <goapebilly@aol. com> wrote:

i have the premium zaius ,it is large and heavy,but sideshow never fixed the costume jacket that many ape fans told them of goapebilly

In a message dated 7/28/2009 9:29:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@aol. com writes:

How much was it? And next time take some pictures! ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I happened to see the new Zaius sideshow premium format when I was in NYC this weekend....there was one in a glass case at "forbudden planet" at Broadway and 13th?
> It's freakin huge! For some reason I was thinking he was a 12 incher but he looked more comparable to the SS Lawgiver statue!
>
> I'm looking forward to him as well as these swell gorillas!
> Also got the cosbaby set.......a little too cutesy for my taste but detail is paid attention to.....
> excet for calling the general Urko...... Zira even has blue eyes ( although I know Kim had hazel eyes....)
>
>

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...> wrote:

Nice Jess – thanks!

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From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2009 1:47 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Hot Toys gorilla

If anybody is interested in seeing my dissection of my Hot Toys gorilla, I've posted photos here:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982&page=339

Jessica.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:48 AM, <goapebilly@...> wrote:

i have the premium zaius ,it is large and heavy,but sideshow never fixed the costume jacket that many ape fans told them of goapebilly

In a message dated 7/28/2009 9:29:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

How much was it? And next time take some pictures! ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I happened to see the new Zaius sideshow premium format when I was in NYC this weekend....there was one in a glass case at "forbudden planet" at Broadway and 13th?
> It's freakin huge! For some reason I was thinking he was a 12 incher but he looked more comparable to the SS Lawgiver statue!
>
> I'm looking forward to him as well as these swell gorillas!
> Also got the cosbaby set.......a little too cutesy for my taste but detail is paid attention to.....
> excet for calling the general Urko...... Zira even has blue eyes ( although I know Kim had hazel eyes....)
>
>

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> If all goes well I'd like to get BTB coloured and out there too

That's great. Thanks to both Dave and Jose.

Here's the link to the album: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1958972589/pic/list

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> This news comes courtesy of Jose... Images can be found in the photos section in a folder called 'Spanish DVDs'
>
> News from Spain!
>
> I had just found this in "El Corte Inglés" a famous superstore here in Spain. Is a large book (29x29cm, 100 pages) with the five DVDs inside, is full of good quality photos, some of them I never seen before. The text had some unaccuracy and mistakes but is the lesser part. The price is 39.99 euro.
>
> The best thing: no mention to 2001 remake.
>
> This was a great surprise. I hope you enjoy this news.
>
> JR
>

What is the problem with the jacket?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, goapebilly@... wrote:
>
> i have the premium zaius ,it is large and heavy,but sideshow never fixed
> the costume jacket that many ape fans told them of goapebilly
>
>
> In a message dated 7/28/2009 9:29:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> How much was it? And next time take some pictures! ;-)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.--- In pota@yahoogroupapefan23@ wrote:
> >
> > I happened to see the new Zaius sideshow premium format when I was in
> NYC this weekend....there was one in a glass case at "forbudden planet" at
> Broadway and 13th?
> > It's freakin huge! For some reason I was thinking he was a 12 incher but
> he looked more comparable to the SS Lawgiver statue!
> >
> > I'm looking forward to him as well as these swell gorillas!
> > Also got the cosbaby set.......a little too cutesy for my taste but
> detail is paid attention to.....
> > excet for calling the general Urko...... Zira even has blue eyes (
> although I know Kim had hazel eyes....)
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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It was part of the Malibu/Adventure comic series from the '90s. Not a bad story.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> What the hell is "Sins of the Father"? And travelling to see the
> Statue wouldn't exactly be like a Sunday hike. What bloody baboon made
> that one up?
>
> -- Rory
>

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I believe it is because their story centers on Landon and not on Taylor.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
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> I wonder why Landon's and not Taylor's?
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>
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> In a message dated 7/24/2009 12:50:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> jessicarotich@... writes:
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> Oh that's fantastic!!! I can't wait to get mine.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:44 AM, James <_JamesA1102@..._
> (mailto:JamesA1102@...) > wrote:
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>
>
> Well a least he provided a nice pic of the dogtags:
>
>
>
> --- In _pota@..._ (mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com) , "Dave B"
> smugster2000@smu wrote:
> >
> > This seller didn't waste any time!
> >
> > eBay Item number: 200366362254
> >
> > Dave
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