"In one sense, those five TV Movies are really part of POTA pop
culture. Let's face it- a lot of us who are watching these marathons
were around watching the TV Movies for the first time back in 1980, and
there's a certain nostalgic charm to them. It was pretty dry for POTA
back then save for the occasional TV broadcast of one or all of the
five films, so these were really something fresh.

As for the complaints about the picture quality and a possible
solution, all I'll say is this: for years, I was annoyed that the audio
sound FX were messed up in EVERY version of BENEATH except the original
release on Magnetic Video. Instead of posting lament after lament about
it, I got in touch with the powers that be (Fox Home Video), the guy I
talked with took an interest, and as a result the problem was CORRECTED
for the Blu-ray release. And yes, I'm taking credit for that. Makes no
difference to me that my name wasn't listed in a "Special Thanks To"
section. There was a problem, I addressed it, and it was fixed.

It's not impossible.


Chris L."

All hail, Chris L.!!!! The savior of BENEATH. I'm glad.... BENEATH
needs all the help it can get. However, I must ask you, Chris... Have
you bought BENEATH on Blu-ray yet? Do you even have a player? Have
you managed to watch it yet or listen to the isolated score? Don't you
feel a "Special Thanks" to Fox is in order?

As for the "certain nostalgic charm" of some things... If there's one
thing I've learned since discovering the IMDB and the comments left
there, that no matter what the movie or TV show's quality, somewhere in
the universe there's someone who loves it.

-- Rory

"The TV movies are worthless now but they were gold until the Sci-Fi
Channel started showing the real episodes in the '90's."

Words of wisdom from the Veetus.

To all the lovers of the TV movies I have this to say, "That was then,
this is now. You get a hold of that and hang on to it, or you might as
well be dead."

-- Rory

or just plain crazy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/business/media/09avatar.htmlth&emc=th

-- Rory

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I think it was earlier on...darn now you're making me watch CONQUEST again!

 

Bruce

 

In a message dated 11/8/2009 8:09:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

I'll have to go check the scene in CONQUEST. What point in the story did you notice it. Early on in the revolt or later when they're approaching the Command Center?

 

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

Bruce (again):

 

>>I believe it was the scene where Kolp is telling France Nuyen to speed up the spy camera so they can catch Caesar MacDonald and Virgil on the screen ("Faster! Faster!"). <<

 

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"It's too bad that now I want one, they don't sell those halogen lights
anymore"

I think you want something like this, Jess:

http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Halogen-Torchiere-Floor-Lamp/dp/B000X20TF6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1257823878&sr=8-4

A bit pricey though indeed. I used to have one for years, then threw
it out when I moved. Now I wish I still had it. They're great to have
in a pair on eith side of your "video display," dimmed way down for a
movie theatre effect.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: planet clock


It's too bad that now I want one, they don't sell those halogen lights
anymore except at Feebay at an exhorbitant price. I keep checking the
used stores in my area. Anyway, I plan to put one together with craft
foam/glue so even if I stumbled on it, it wouldn't hurt. LOL!!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:06 AM

Subject: [pota] (OT) Crazy like a Fox?

 

or just plain crazy?

http://www.nytimes. com/2009/ 11/09/business/ media/09avatar..htmlth&emc= th

-- Rory

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remember when they were $20 for one? I should have bought one. I really like how bright they are.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:36 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

"It's too bad that now I want one, they don't sell those halogen lights
anymore"

I think you want something like this, Jess:

http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Halogen-Torchiere-Floor-Lamp/dp/B000X20TF6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1257823878&sr=8-4

A bit pricey though indeed. I used to have one for years, then threw
it out when I moved. Now I wish I still had it. They're great to have
in a pair on eith side of your "video display," dimmed way down for a
movie theatre effect.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: planet clock

It's too bad that now I want one, they don't sell those halogen lights
anymore except at Feebay at an exhorbitant price. I keep checking the
used stores in my area. Anyway, I plan to put one together with craft
foam/glue so even if I stumbled on it, it wouldn't hurt. LOL!!

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Oooo...Comes in Steel finish too!

 

 

In a message dated 11/9/2009 10:42:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I think you want something like this, Jess:

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I only use mine during the winter

when it's actually helping the HVAC

system instead of fighting it.  Hunter

green, of course.  Go with the flow. ; )

 

 

In a message dated 11/9/2009 11:09:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

It's too bad that now I want one, they don't sell those halogen lights anymore except at Feebay

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So bright I almost never turn it all the way up.

You can nearly heat a small room with one.

  

 

In a message dated 11/10/2009 12:56:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

remember when they were $20 for one?  I should have bought one.  I really like how bright they are.

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Burton, in my opinion, is definitely someone who deserves the label of "genius." He's had some missteps along the way--the 2001 POTA film being one of them, despite my somewhat appreciation of it, along with Batman Returns--but so many of his other works are brilliant: Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas, Corpse Bride, the first Batman, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd, Big Fish, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...the guy's amazing. Heck, I even enjoy Mars Attacks. In fact, there's never been a single film of his I've seen that hasn't entertained me, even if it wasn't perfect.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> The Museum of Modern Art in New York is having a Tim Burton retrospective, "The Art of Tim Burton" or something.
> And YOU guys thought he was a bad director. True artists just aren't appreciated in their own lifetimes!
>
> http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/11/caterpillars_wi_1.php
>

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Okay, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory

should have been lumped in the other

group.  Remakes where the original

makes his version look like crap.

aka The POTA-Y2K+1 Disaster.

 

 

In a message dated 11/11/2009 9:38:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas, Corpse Bride, the first Batman, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd, Big Fish, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

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For some obscure reason, I watched 'Airport 1975' recently, and the most interesting part was that Charlton Heston, Linda Harrison and Austin Stoker were all in it.Set me wondering what non Apes (!) film/show brought together the most Apes actors in one production.I know Roddy and Lew were in an episode of The Fasntastic Journey, ditto Roddy and Bobby Porter.Any more ideas? John, Scrolls.

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And hacks are honored with retrospectives while they are still middle aged and have a big budget film coming out in a few months.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> And YOU guys thought he was a bad director. True artists just aren't appreciated in their own lifetimes!
>

Calling Tim Burton a genius is really lowering the bar on the definition of term "genius" from Einstein to my sixth grade science teacher.

Ironically Burton's career can be summed up with a line from one of his own films, the crapfest Ed Wood, "You people are insane! These movies are terrible!"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Burton, in my opinion, is definitely someone who deserves the label of "genius."

Didn't Paul Williams guest star on an episode of Sheriff Lobo. Or maybe it was BJ and the Bear.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> For some obscure reason, I watched 'Airport 1975' recently, and the most interesting part was that Charlton Heston, Linda Harrison and Austin Stoker were all in it.Set me wondering what non Apes (!) film/show brought together the most Apes actors in one production.I know Roddy and Lew were in an episode of The Fasntastic Journey, ditto Roddy and Bobby Porter.Any more ideas? John, Scrolls.
>

As much as despise POTA 2001 and what Burton and others did to it, I
have to also admit that he is a great director that can make movie
magic when he gets it right.

I my opinion, his best movie remains "Ed Wood". It not only captured a
real life quirky character, but the crazy antics of his productions. I
thought that Depp, Landau (father and daughter), and Bill Murray were
all great. I was thrilled that Martin Landau got the oscar he deserved
for playing Bela Lugosi in "Ed Wood".

I know that for a lot of people, not having seen the real movies of Ed
Wood takes a lot away from "Ed Wood" the movie. But the true-life
backgroud to the story of "Ed Wood" is as bizzare as it was portrayed.

So not everyone will like it, but there are fans of "Ed Wood" out
there, myself included.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Tim Burton retrospective

>
> Calling Tim Burton a genius is really lowering the bar on the
> definitionof term "genius" from Einstein to my sixth grade science
> teacher.
> Ironically Burton's career can be summed up with a line from one
> of his
> own films, the crapfest Ed Wood, "You people are insane! These movies
> are terrible!"
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
> >
> > Burton, in my opinion, is definitely someone who deserves the
> label of
> "genius."
>
>

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If Burton was a genius, his movies wouldn't be so uneven. I think he
simply repeats himself and that what he's about isn't all that
interesting or even pleasant.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 9:31 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Tim Burton retrospective


Burton, in my opinion, is definitely someone who deserves the label of
"genius." He's had some missteps along the way--the 2001 POTA film
being one of them, despite my somewhat appreciation of it, along with
Batman Returns--but so many of his other works are brilliant:
Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas, Corpse
Bride, the first Batman, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Ed Wood, Sleepy
Hollow, Sweeney Todd, Big Fish, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...the
guy's amazing. Heck, I even enjoy Mars Attacks. In fact, there's never
been a single film of his I've seen that hasn't entertained me, even if
it wasn't perfect.

"For some obscure reason, I watched 'Airport 1975' recently, and the
most interesting part was that Charlton Heston, Linda Harrison and
Austin Stoker were all in it.Set me wondering what non Apes (!)
film/show brought together the most Apes actors in one production.I
know Roddy and Lew were in an episode of The Fantastic Journey, ditto
Roddy and Bobby Porter.Any more ideas? John, Scrolls."

I watched THE OMEN again over Halloween, and that was a movie that
Heston turned down, much to his later regret. When I watch it I can't
help wish that it had been an APES reunion, with Heston, Harrison as
his wife, McDowall as the photographer, Hunter as that Satan woman who
cares for the kid, Evans as the old guy who talks about the knives,
with Frank Schaffner directing and of course the cherry on top,
Goldsmith's score. Damn, it would have been a great thing, as it is
it's only OK.

As for watching AIRPORT '75 again -- NO THANKS! They should use that
movie, like in CLOCKWORK ORANGE, to get terrorists to talk!

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 9:37 am
Subject: [pota] Apes 'reunions'

For some obscure reason, I watched 'Airport 1975' recently, and the
most interesting part was that Charlton Heston, Linda Harrison and
Austin Stoker were all in it.Set me wondering what non Apes (!)
film/show brought together the most Apes actors in one production.I
know Roddy and Lew were in an episode of The Fantastic Journey, ditto
Roddy and Bobby Porter.Any more ideas? John, Scrolls.

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----- Original Message -----

From: jamesa1102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:09 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Tim Burton retrospective

 

Calling Tim Burton a genius is really lowering the bar on the definition of term "genius" from Einstein to my sixth grade science teacher.

Ironically Burton's career can be summed up with a line from one of his own films, the crapfest Ed Wood, "You people are insane! These movies are terrible!"

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Burton, in my opinion, is definitely someone who deserves the label of "genius."

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dario Sciola

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:52 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Tim Burton retrospective

 

As much as despise POTA 2001 and what Burton and others did to it, I
have to also admit that he is a great director that can make movie
magic when he gets it right.

I my opinion, his best movie remains "Ed Wood". It not only captured a
real life quirky character, but the crazy antics of his productions. I
thought that Depp, Landau (father and daughter), and Bill Murray were
all great. I was thrilled that Martin Landau got the oscar he deserved
for playing Bela Lugosi in "Ed Wood".

I know that for a lot of people, not having seen the real movies of Ed
Wood takes a lot away from "Ed Wood" the movie. But the true-life
backgroud to the story of "Ed Wood" is as bizzare as it was portrayed.

So not everyone will like it, but there are fans of "Ed Wood" out
there, myself included.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@aol. com>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:09 am
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Tim Burton retrospective

>
> Calling Tim Burton a genius is really lowering the bar on the
> definitionof term "genius" from Einstein to my sixth grade science
> teacher.
> Ironically Burton's career can be summed up with a line from one
> of his
> own films, the crapfest Ed Wood, "You people are insane! These movies
> are terrible!"
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > Burton, in my opinion, is definitely someone who deserves the
> label of
> "genius."
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: johnroche49

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:37 AM

Subject: [pota] Apes 'reunions'

 

For some obscure reason, I watched 'Airport 1975' recently, and the most interesting part was that Charlton Heston, Linda Harrison and Austin Stoker were all in it.Set me wondering what non Apes (!) film/show brought together the most Apes actors in one production.I know Roddy and Lew were in an episode of The Fasntastic Journey, ditto Roddy and Bobby Porter.Any more ideas? John, Scrolls.

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Agreed. "Ed Wood" is a BRILLIANT film--one of my favorite films of his entire lineup.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Ed Wood" a "crapfest"? You've gone too far, sir!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jamesa1102
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:09 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Tim Burton retrospective
>
>
>
>
> Calling Tim Burton a genius is really lowering the bar on the definition of term "genius" from Einstein to my sixth grade science teacher.
>
> Ironically Burton's career can be summed up with a line from one of his own films, the crapfest Ed Wood, "You people are insane! These movies are terrible!"
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > Burton, in my opinion, is definitely someone who deserves the label of "genius."
>

Sweeney Todd is a great film, yeah. It's too bad some of the actors weren't the best singers, but that didn't bother me that much, given how enthralled I was with the film otherwise. I've been a fan of Sweeney Todd ever since the Angela Lansbury version, back in the '80s, and I think Burton did a very worthy follow-up.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I agree, "Ed Wood" is his best movie. But "Sweeney Todd" is on another level. It's the first time he's given himself permission to really go with a story and not throw in some cute stuff or inside jokes as if to say, "Don't take me seriously". He finally took off the safety net with "Sweeney".
>

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I enjoyed both.  And I actually preferred

Depp's to Hearn's.  That band he formed

with Gibby from the BHS, P, gave no clue

to his talent as a singer.  From all accounts

they're about as good as any movie star's

band.  If you seen Russell Crow, or Bruce

Willis, or Keanu Reeve's bands you know

why they say don't quit your day job.

 

 

In a message dated 11/12/2009 6:46:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  I agree, "Ed Wood" is his best movie. But "Sweeney Todd" is on another level.

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Sorry I just can't agree with your opinion. I thought the film was pointless. The story of one hack director being told by another hack director. Without the excellent performance of Martin Landau, the film would have been totally unwatchable.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Agreed. "Ed Wood" is a BRILLIANT film--one of my favorite films of his entire lineup.
>
>

That would equal the of three in Airport,then, if I hadn't forgotten Bev 'Wanda' Garland, who was also in Airport 1975,so the record is four.The odd thing about Airport is that Linda isn't credited but Sharon Gless (who I didn't see anywhere!), is.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I think Heston and Maurice Evans did several movies together. I know they were directed by Franklin Schaffner in "The War Lord". Also Michael ("Let's be careful out there") Conrad, who guested on the TV show.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnroche49
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:37 AM
> Subject: [pota] Apes 'reunions'
>
>
>
> For some obscure reason, I watched 'Airport 1975' recently, and the most interesting part was that Charlton Heston, Linda Harrison and Austin Stoker were all in it.Set me wondering what non Apes (!) film/show brought together the most Apes actors in one production.I know Roddy and Lew were in an episode of The Fasntastic Journey, ditto Roddy and Bobby Porter.Any more ideas? John, Scrolls.
>

I see the Timeline of the Planet of the Apes listed. While I'm sure this writer goes much further in depth, I have found timelines online before. I actually had a revised list of one of my old POTA pages before I delved into my Masters of Horror site. It encompassed the movies, tv show, comics, and cartoon. I'll see if I can find it and i'll post the link.

"Agreed. "Ed Wood" is a BRILLIANT film--one of my favorite films of his
entire lineup."

I have many "bad" movies I love to watch, but in general I don't enjoy
the most popular "so-bad-they're-good" movies, which would include PLAN
9 FROM OUTER SPACE, but only because there's nothing any it that's
appealing.

For that reason I found ED WOOD a very depressing movie. I just feel
very sorry for the people in it, as I feel sorry for the later life
that Bela Lugosi had.

What does it say about Tim Burton that he created ED WOOD as a kind of
celebration of pathetic people in failed lives and careers? Was he
making fun of them? I'm sure he'd say that he loves them, and loves
those bad movies and that they're not really bad at all, but I just
don't know.

-- Rory

Rich Handley published a brilliant book last year on this and I have a pristine copy I bought at home-LOVE IT!

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:13 AM, drinnenber <mdrinne@...> wrote:

I see the Timeline of the Planet of the Apes listed. While I'm sure this writer goes much further in depth, I have found timelines online before. I actually had a revised list of one of my old POTA pages before I delved into my Masters of Horror site. It encompassed the movies, tv show, comics, and cartoon. I'll see if I can find it and i'll post the link.

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

yes she is.she changed her name to augusta summerland for a while . john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> That would equal the of three in Airport,then, if I hadn't forgotten Bev 'Wanda' Garland, who was also in Airport 1975,so the record is four.The odd thing about Airport is that Linda isn't credited but Sharon Gless (who I didn't see anywhere!), is.John, Scrolls.
>

"Sorry I just can't agree with your opinion. I thought the film was
pointless. The story of one hack director being told by another hack
director. Without the excellent performance of Martin Landau, the film
would have been totally unwatchable."

I thought ED WOOD was watchable -- once -- and that's the number of
times I've seen the entire movie. I've caught bits of it since on
cable, but as I've said, I find the subject matter depressing and I
agree the movie was pointless. The black and white photography was
nice and Burton did a good job of capturing the era, but he should have
only been the DP or production designer on the film, not the
writer/director -- which I think is the case on the majority of the
films he's done. He's just not that good a writer/director, but in
this day and age mediocrity has been raisen to the level of "genius,"
and "brilliant," and "a master craftsman." If the general public --
and most of what passes for film criticism these days -- had a true
knowledge of what real excellence was, over ninety percent of current
cinema would get a huge thumbs down.

But.... what do I know? I'm watching MAD MEN on Blu-ray and planning
on going to see 2012 -- that's how pathetic a cinephile I've become.

-- Rory

Linda is credited as Augusta Summerland in the Airport film. Don't ask me why.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> That would equal the of three in Airport,then, if I hadn't forgotten Bev 'Wanda' Garland, who was also in Airport 1975,so the record is four.The odd thing about Airport is that Linda isn't credited but Sharon Gless (who I didn't see anywhere!), is.John, Scrolls.
>

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Ed Wood was far more interesting than the movies he created.

This is evidenced by the fact that the running time on the Bio

Bonus that comes with Plan 9 from Outer Space is longer.

 

In a message dated 11/12/2009 10:01:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, darios@... writes:

So not everyone will like it, but there are fans of "Ed Wood" out
there, myself included.

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If they were actually wanting to go out in a blaze of

glory, make that gory, I would make them watch the

33 combat videos on military.com where they are

blasted to bits to the tune of Metallica's Sandman.

If they really wanted I'm sure if they got together in

one big stadium our guys would glass parking lot it.

 

 

In a message dated 11/12/2009 11:06:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

As for watching AIRPORT '75 again -- NO THANKS! They should use that
movie, like in CLOCKWORK ORANGE, to get terrorists to talk!

-- Rory

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Did Eileen Dietz get credited for her

work as Blair's stunt double in The

Exorcist? She also did the strobe 

shots of the demon face in it too.

 

 

In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:59:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, johnroche49@... writes:

The odd thing about Airport is that Linda isn't credited but Sharon Gless (who I didn't see anywhere!), is.John, Scrolls.

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The best scene was when he runs into

Orson Wells.  Vincent D'Onofrieo was

convincing even though the Pinky and

the Brain guy did the voice.  But was

Wells a genius?  Certainly he had

flashes of genius.  But for a guy

who ended up in Bond spoofs

and wine commercials you

can certainly make a case

that his career was uneven.

 

In a message dated 11/13/2009 10:56:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I find the subject matter depressing and I
agree the movie was pointless. The black and white photography was
nice and Burton did a good job of capturing the era

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He loved POTA too.

I'd hate to see how he

treats a classic he hates!

 

 

In a message dated 11/13/2009 10:00:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Was he
making fun of them? I'm sure he'd say that he loves them

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i know on the special dvd versions, her name is credited. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Did Eileen Dietz get credited for her
> work as Blair's stunt double in The
> Exorcist? She also did the strobe
> shots of the demon face in it too.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:59:59 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> johnroche49@... writes:
>
> The odd thing about Airport is that Linda isn't credited but Sharon Gless
> (who I didn't see anywhere!), is.John, Scrolls.
>

"Linda is credited as Augusta Summerland in the Airport film. Don't ask
me why."

It's because her guru told her that was the name she should take.

Remember, this was back in the early '70s in Southern Cali -- and L.H.
was already a bit of a kook. Just ask R.Z., if he'll tell you the
truth.

-- Rory

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:00 AM

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Linda is credited as Augusta Summerland in the Airport film. Don't ask me why.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@ ...> wrote:
>
> That would equal the of three in Airport,then, if I hadn't forgotten Bev 'Wanda' Garland, who was also in Airport 1975,so the record is four.The odd thing about Airport is that Linda isn't credited but Sharon Gless (who I didn't see anywhere!), is.John, Scrolls.
>

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"dear group, the film with heston and maurice evans and from planet
woodrow parfrey is called the war lord 1965 directed by franklin
scaffner . here is a photo of the half sheet poster . from william
burge"

I have that half-sheet poster, and THE WAR LORD on DVD (even though
it's non-anamorphic). Also in the cast is Michael Conrad and the
narration and voice of the dwarf is BENEATH's end voice, Paul Frees.

How many here have seen THE WAR LORD? Just curious.

-- Rory

"But was Wells a genius? Certainly he had flashes of genius. But for
a guy who ended up in Bond spoofs
and wine commercials you can certainly make a case that his career was
uneven."

Yes, his career was uneven, but I think Wells was a "genius," of sorts.
His problem was that he didn't give a crap what studio bosses wanted
and did what he damn well pleased. That pissed people off and they
wouldn't give him the money to make his movies his way, and he wasn't a
rich man, hence doing the crappy movies and TV commercials much later.
If he had been born a couple decades later, I think Orson Wells would
have had a much better film career -- they didn't understand him back
in the forties and fifties. Look what he did with TOUCH OF EVIL
(starring Charlton Heston as a Mexican?!!!!) -- and no one at Universal
at the time appreciated even that.

-- Rory

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I have THE WAR LORD on dvd. Doesn't Heston say a line that was later recycled in apes, I think it was "You Bloody Bastard" I haven't seen it in a while, so I don't remember...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "dear group, the film with heston and maurice evans and from planet
> woodrow parfrey is called the war lord 1965 directed by franklin
> scaffner . here is a photo of the half sheet poster . from william
> burge"
>
> I have that half-sheet poster, and THE WAR LORD on DVD (even though
> it's non-anamorphic). Also in the cast is Michael Conrad and the
> narration and voice of the dwarf is BENEATH's end voice, Paul Frees.
>
> How many here have seen THE WAR LORD? Just curious.
>
> -- Rory
>

Me.  I also reviewed it on DVD. - Scott B --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: ape reunions To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 7:24 PM   "dear group, the film with heston and maurice evans and from planet woodrow parfrey is called the war lord 1965 directed by franklin scaffner . here is a photo of the half sheet poster . from william burge" I have that half-sheet poster, and THE WAR LORD on DVD (even though it's non-anamorphic) . Also in the cast is Michael Conrad and the narration and voice of the dwarf is BENEATH's end voice, Paul Frees. How many here have seen THE WAR LORD? Just curious. -- Rory

"Me. I also reviewed it on DVD."
- Scott B

Where?
-- Rory M

"I have THE WAR LORD on dvd. Doesn't Heston say a line that was later
recycled in apes, I think it was "You Bloody Bastard" I haven't seen it
in a while, so I don't remember... "

I believe he does (he also fights Vikings in a diaper) -- it's been a
while since I watched it too, but I note from IMDB that it premiered on
November 17, 1965, so I may have a 44th Anniversary viewing Tuesday. I
think BEN-HUR's 50th is this month too.

-- Rory

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Don't know.  I think there best person

should get the job, not because of race

or gender, but in spite of it 'cause they're good.

 

In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:00:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 

 Emma Watts has signed a deal as president of Twentieth Century Fox. Met the new boss, same as the old boss: she's already been in the job but shared it with Alex Young. Now she's flying solo. Her contract is for 3 years. Hopefully that will include the production of a new POTA, otherwise we're in for a long wait. What will a woman's touch do? Maybe the apes can bake cookies?

 

 http://www.thewrap. com/article/ emma-watts- takes-top- post-fox- 10090

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There was a scene in THE WARLORD shared between Heston & Maurice Evans in whch Heston had a line whch included ".....Damn them to hell!"- saw this on TV recently here   Robin --- On Sat, 14/11/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: (OT) WAR LORD To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 6:03   "I have THE WAR LORD on dvd. Doesn't Heston say a line that was later recycled in apes, I think it was "You Bloody Bastard" I haven't seen it in a while, so I don't remember... " I believe he does (he also fights Vikings in a diaper) -- it's been a while since I watched it too, but I note from IMDB that it premiered on November 17, 1965, so I may have a 44th Anniversary viewing Tuesday. I think BEN-HUR's 50th is this month too. -- Rory

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I remember it well.  Good flick.

And because of it, when Eddie G

dropped out we got our beloved

Dr. Zaius.

 

 

In a message dated 11/13/2009 6:57:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

How many here have seen THE WAR LORD? Just curious.

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I think you have to be something of a

genius to play the game.  Burton gave

up and look what we got!  Wells fought

tooth and nail and wrecked his career.

In a way he gave up when he went to

South America and went over budget

on what was basically a travelogue.

A movie studio is the biggest train

set a boy could hope for.  But if you

keep wrecking it they take it away.

Think Heaven's Gate or Cleopatra.

Jacobs had the same problem with

Dr. Dolittle.  Not a financial success.

I still liked it though, like Cleopatra,

it was overblown for what it was.

The Magnificent Ambersons was

no Citizen Kane.  It got cut.  And

Heart Of Darkness never got made.

 

 

In a message dated 11/13/2009 6:57:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Look what he did with TOUCH OF EVIL
(starring Charlton Heston as a Mexican?!!!! ) -- and no one at Universal
at the time appreciated even that.

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Well, I don't know how much of a debate we want to get into over Orson
Wells (and remember, if he had wanted to do it, he'd have been General
Ursus), but I'll just say I think he was a very intelligent person and
that THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS is a superb film, even if it isn't his
cut. In fact, I think it's a more approachable film than KANE.

There was nothing that went wrong with the production of DR. DOLITTLE,
nothing major anyway. It was simply an ill-conceived project that
wouldn't have been made if THE SOUND OF MUSIC hadn't made so much
money. Everyone involved wildly misinterpreted what the public wanted
to see in motion picture entertainment at the time (mid '60s), and this
was at nearly every studio.

-- Rory

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 6:32 am
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I think you have to be something of a
genius to play the game. Burton gave
up and look what we got! Wells fought
tooth and nail and wrecked his career.
In a way he gave up when he went to
South America and went over budget
on what was basically a travelogue.
A movie studio is the biggest train
set a boy could hope for. But if you
keep wrecking it they take it away.
Think Heaven's Gate or Cleopatra.
Jacobs had the same problem with
Dr. Dolittle. Not a financial success.
I still liked it though, like Cleopatra,
it was overblown for what it was.
The Magnificent Ambersons was
no Citizen Kane. It got cut. And
Heart Of Darkness never got made.



In a message dated 11/13/2009 6:57:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:
Look
what he did with TOUCH OF EVIL
(starring Charlton Heston as a
Mexican?!!!!) -- and no one at Universal
at the time appreciated even
that.

Bio Bonus? What? The point you make is meaningless.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Ed Wood was far more interesting than the movies he created.
> This is evidenced by the fact that the running time on the Bio
> Bonus that comes with Plan 9 from Outer Space is longer.
>
>
> In a message dated 11/12/2009 10:01:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> darios@... writes:
>
> So not everyone will like it, but there are fans of "Ed Wood" out
> there, myself included.
>

Do you actually work in the film business, or are you one of those middle-aged people who has "opinions" ?

Would just like to know...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "But was Wells a genius? Certainly he had flashes of genius. But for
> a guy who ended up in Bond spoofs
> and wine commercials you can certainly make a case that his career was
> uneven."
>
> Yes, his career was uneven, but I think Wells was a "genius," of sorts.
> His problem was that he didn't give a crap what studio bosses wanted
> and did what he damn well pleased. That pissed people off and they
> wouldn't give him the money to make his movies his way, and he wasn't a
> rich man, hence doing the crappy movies and TV commercials much later.
> If he had been born a couple decades later, I think Orson Wells would
> have had a much better film career -- they didn't understand him back
> in the forties and fifties. Look what he did with TOUCH OF EVIL
> (starring Charlton Heston as a Mexican?!!!!) -- and no one at Universal
> at the time appreciated even that.
>
> -- Rory
>

Not meaningless. T is refering to the Bio of Wood on the DVD's bonus materials being longer than the film itself which supports his point that Wood himself was more interesting than the movies that he made.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:
>
> Bio Bonus? What? The point you make is meaningless.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ed Wood was far more interesting than the movies he created.
> > This is evidenced by the fact that the running time on the Bio
> > Bonus that comes with Plan 9 from Outer Space is longer.
> >
> >

Everyone here is entitled to their opinion whether they work in the film business or not.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:
>
> Do you actually work in the film business, or are you one of those middle-aged people who has "opinions" ?
>
> Would just like to know...
>

Are you implying that the opinion of anyone who doesn't work in the film industry, or who is middle-age, is invalid? A person doesn't have to be a film professional to have a valid opinion. This is a forum for people to express their opinions--it's the whole point of a Yahoo group.


--"sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:

> Do you actually work in the film business, or are you one of those middle-aged people who has "opinions"? Would just like to know...

"Do you actually work in the film business, or are you one of those
middle-aged people who has "opinions" ?

Would just like to know..."

I wish I worked in the film business (Even though it's a horrible
business and I think most movies today are crap), but no, I'm just a
middle-aged person with opinions. Always have had opinions, "alot" of
them.

Why? Is there something wrong with opinions? (I'm talking those based
on a good general knowledge of stuff, as opposed to opinions by those
that don't know what they're talking about. The worse are opinions by
those that THINK they know what they're talking about, but are really
idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)


-- Rory

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I'll be going out tomorrow to see it too, Al, although I've already
been warned it's not that good.

Meanwhile:
http://tinyurl.com/ylfrahh


-- Rory

So Heston has Damned them to hell in at least three movies!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Robin Medford <robinartwork60@...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene in THE WARLORD shared between Heston & Maurice Evans in whch Heston had a line whch included ".....Damn them to hell!"- saw this on TV recently here
> Â
> Robin
>
>

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I was just looking at Roddy's home movies

and it struck me that the makeups don't look

nearly as good as they do in the film.  Also

kind of funny to see people enjoying the

beach just around the bend from the

Cave location.  Takes you out of it

when you see by helicopter how

close to civilization they were.

 

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It was pretty much what I expected.

I did see the site on this link and

POTA on it.  It also has some

other POTA related clips.

 

In a message dated 11/15/2009 12:10:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I'll be going out tomorrow to see it too, Al, although I've already
been warned it's not that good.

Meanwhile:
http://tinyurl. com/ylfrahh

-- Rory

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There's a bonus disc

with a biography / documentary.

 

In a message dated 11/14/2009 12:50:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, sparkytb@... writes:

Bio Bonus? What?

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"I was just looking at Roddy's home movies and it struck me that the
makeups don't look nearly as good as they do in the film. Also kind of
funny to see people enjoying the beach just around the bend from the
Cave location. Takes you out of it when you see by helicopter how
close to civilization they were."


I noticed that too about the makeups. It just goes to show what a
difference proper lighting and diffusion camera filters make.

It definitely "takes you out of it" to see behind-the-scenes footage on
any movie. Totally destroys suspension of disbelief. I'm still a bit
sorry I visited Lake Powell because it destroyed the mystique that part
of the film had for me when I was younger. I had to visit the place,
but in terms of enjoying the "fantasy" of the film, it would have been
better if I never did. I still want very much to visit Point Dume and
Malibu Creek Park, but I know what that'll mean, however I've looked at
some many photos and on Google Earth at these locations, I don't think
it matters much now.

-- Rory

I want to see it too!.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

Thanks for the warning. I also heard that most felt like it's a bit too long.

About 90 minutes of chaos + 40 minutes of Titanic/Poseidon Adventure (once they reach the ships).

Sounds like getting your money's worth. Hopefully.

Al

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From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 12:14:16 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: 2012 Ironic

I'll be going out tomorrow to see it too, Al, although I've already
been warned it's not that good.

Meanwhile:
http://tinyurl. com/ylfrahh

-- Rory

im just the opposite. when i see that so much was done with so little it puts me in awe on how they did it. i always liked behind the scenes and how they fooled us. perhaps because i did films to an extant or i just like the process. ive been to all locations for all the apes films and i always left more impressed than before. charlton heston said that the make-ups looked more menacing in person than on screen. roddy had poor focus on some shots, did you notice? their could be a number of reasons including what you said. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "I was just looking at Roddy's home movies and it struck me that the
> makeups don't look nearly as good as they do in the film. Also kind of
> funny to see people enjoying the beach just around the bend from the
> Cave location. Takes you out of it when you see by helicopter how
> close to civilization they were."
>
>
> I noticed that too about the makeups. It just goes to show what a
> difference proper lighting and diffusion camera filters make.
>
> It definitely "takes you out of it" to see behind-the-scenes footage on
> any movie. Totally destroys suspension of disbelief. I'm still a bit
> sorry I visited Lake Powell because it destroyed the mystique that part
> of the film had for me when I was younger. I had to visit the place,
> but in terms of enjoying the "fantasy" of the film, it would have been
> better if I never did. I still want very much to visit Point Dume and
> Malibu Creek Park, but I know what that'll mean, however I've looked at
> some many photos and on Google Earth at these locations, I don't think
> it matters much now.
>
> -- Rory
>

films to me were finally getting gritier and more truthfull. to me the films of roland e. and james c. were feelgood b.s. with a few exceptions. the new fox chairlady and these two big budget films[2012,avatar] might return us to the late 80s to late 90s dreck that gave us the burton apes film. if i were to use these films[if they are profitable] to predict the future,they would point to a direction i dont think we want to return to... john m.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the warning. I also heard that most felt like it's a bit too long.
> About 90 minutes of chaos + 40 minutes of Titanic/Poseidon Adventure (once they reach the ships).
>
> Sounds like getting your money's worth. Hopefully.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>

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"im just the opposite. when i see that so much was done with so little
it puts me in awe on how they did it. i always liked behind the scenes
and how they fooled us. perhaps because i did films to an extant or i
just like the process. ive been to all locations for all the apes films
and i always left more impressed than before. charlton heston said that
the make-ups looked more menacing in person than on screen. roddy had
poor focus on some shots, did you notice? their could be a number of
reasons including what you said. john m"

I agree with the "so much was done with so little" comment. I recently
re-read the chapter on PLANET in Erwin Kim's 1985 book on Franklin J.
Schaffner, and he says Schaffner made a $5.8 Million movie look like it
cost $15 Million. Younger people now like the film looks cheesy and
cheap, but at the time it was an amazing movie and I still think it is.
Other than a few matte shots, it's a totally "in camera" film. No one
today would even be allowed to attempt such a thing.

I think the couple of shots you're talking about of McDowall that look
out of focus were intended to be such. If Shamroy didn't use diffusion
filters (and I'm talking stuff not quite to the extreme of what was
used on Doris Day in most of her movies, or Barbara Stanwyck on "The
Big Valley") to hide the "fakery" in the ape makeup, then a simple
trick would have been to go slightly out of focus. I don't think
Krasner does it in BENEATH, except on the mutants in some shots, BUT
the DPs should have done it in the later sequels and especially BATTLE,
where the closeups are too often way too close, and the TV show, where
the hard lighting was often unflattering to the makeup.

-- Rory

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"films to me were finally getting grittier and more truthful. to me the
films of roland e. and james c. were feelgood b.s. with a few
exceptions. the new fox chairlady and these two big budget
films[2012,avatar] might return us to the late 80s to late 90s dreck
that gave us the burton apes film. if i were to use these films[if they
are profitable] to predict the future,they would point to a direction i
dont think we want to return to... john m."

John, you're a little behind the times. Films were "getting grittier
and more truthful" back in the late sixties/early seventies, but the
grosses on JAWS, STAR WARS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS drew a close to that
era -- the era of the "director-driven" film. We're now three decades
down the road of the greedy corporate concept-driven film (and it's
weakness for sequels and remakes) that is destroying traditional
concepts of narrative film and I don't think there's any hope of a
return.

-- Rory

i meant as opposed to the 1980s and when these two directors did most of their films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "films to me were finally getting grittier and more truthful. to me the
> films of roland e. and james c. were feelgood b.s. with a few
> exceptions. the new fox chairlady and these two big budget
> films[2012,avatar] might return us to the late 80s to late 90s dreck
> that gave us the burton apes film. if i were to use these films[if they
> are profitable] to predict the future,they would point to a direction i
> dont think we want to return to... john m."
>
> John, you're a little behind the times. Films were "getting grittier
> and more truthful" back in the late sixties/early seventies, but the
> grosses on JAWS, STAR WARS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS drew a close to that
> era -- the era of the "director-driven" film. We're now three decades
> down the road of the greedy corporate concept-driven film (and it's
> weakness for sequels and remakes) that is destroying traditional
> concepts of narrative film and I don't think there's any hope of a
> return.
>
> -- Rory
>

..your right about the late sixties and early seventies,thats a known fact to anybody over 45. this reminds me of that documentary on ifc about seventies filmaking," a decade under the influence". I agree with the filmakers 99 percent of the time, but also thats part of the reason why cinema was great and why the studios were going bankrupt in the early 70s. unfortunatly when writers and directors are given a free hand they make great movies no one wants to see. the suits are right when they want fluff instead of smart, because crap appeals to most of the people in this country... this is a broad generality but joe sixpack does not want to engage in smart narrative, he just wants to be entertained. the dumbing down is either catering to the people or is in effect because people got dumber. which came first? john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "films to me were finally getting grittier and more truthful. to me the
> films of roland e. and james c. were feelgood b.s. with a few
> exceptions. the new fox chairlady and these two big budget
> films[2012,avatar] might return us to the late 80s to late 90s dreck
> that gave us the burton apes film. if i were to use these films[if they
> are profitable] to predict the future,they would point to a direction i
> dont think we want to return to... john m."
>
> John, you're a little behind the times. Films were "getting grittier
> and more truthful" back in the late sixties/early seventies, but the
> grosses on JAWS, STAR WARS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS drew a close to that
> era -- the era of the "director-driven" film. We're now three decades
> down the road of the greedy corporate concept-driven film (and it's
> weakness for sequels and remakes) that is destroying traditional
> concepts of narrative film and I don't think there's any hope of a
> return.
>
> -- Rory
>

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One of the films we shot for Advance Filmaking

was done almost entirely in one back yard.  We

were supposed to shoot another scene in the woods.

But the scene in the shack too way too long to light.

So since one corner of the yard was woody, we just

moved the dolly tracks over, turned the camera around

and shot the next scene at an angle where you couldn't

see shack.  You couldn't tell it was the same place on film,

and it saved at least two hours of time it would have taken to

tear down move and set up again.  You have to be creative on

a budget, especially when you shooting on a schedule and you're

loosing the light.  If you wait the weather could change, maybe loose

an actor, a piece of equipment, whatever.  The set could burn down.

That happened once.  They were clearing sets at MGM including the

King Kong Wall set.  So They used the fire for the Burning of Atlanta

in Gone With The Wind.  Movie history, destroyed, but not wasted!

 

In a message dated 11/15/2009 12:24:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I still want very much to visit Point Dume and
Malibu Creek Park, but I know what that'll mean, however I've looked at
some many photos and on Google Earth at these locations, I don't think
it matters much now.

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I was clearing out old email and saw the last interview

Heston gave. Sad.  I also saw him on site that listed

great movies with a bad lead actor.  Not sure I agree

with their recasts.  On was Brando.  Some times he

underplayed everything to seem more real.  Not sure

that's what POTA needed.  Can you picture Brando

delivering some of those lines?  Ziiiiiiiiiiirrraaaaaaa!

 

 

In a message dated 11/15/2009 3:13:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, billburge48@... writes:

dear group, came across some great photos of charlton heston .

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John Chambers was there for each setup using apes

to make sure the lighting was right and they didn't shoot

at an angle that would expose the actor's mouth ad destroy

the illusion of the makeup.  Too bad they didn't care in the sequels.

 

 

In a message dated 11/15/2009 1:15:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

roddy had poor focus on some shots, did you notice? their could be a number of reasons including what you said. john m

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That's another thing.  The use of darker makeup

on the edges when shooting outdoors.  Not sure

that was the right choice, but I didn't see the tests.

So . . .

 

In a message dated 11/15/2009 4:21:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

and the TV show, where
the hard lighting was often unflattering to the makeup.

-- Rory

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>>Frankly, I prefer to watch the original episodes than the TV

movies. The
TV movies were just an attempt to make some money off the series which
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>>As for the "certain nostalgic charm" of some things... If there's

one
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>>In one sense, those five TV Movies are really part of POTA pop

culture. Let's face it- a lot of us who are watching these marathons were around watching the TV Movies for the first time back in 1980, and there's a certain nostalgic charm to them. It was pretty dry for POTA back then save for the occasional TV broadcast of one or all of the five films, so these were really something fresh. <.html

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>>I don't know if there were any public complaints but I personally

noted
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In a message dated 8/2/2009 4:54:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

 

 

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From: Lord TZer0
To: jassicarotich@...
Sent: 8/2/2009 4:37:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: [pota] Pic from the Past...

 

 

    Hi Jess,

 

 

I haven't found the box with my pics with Kim Hunter yet,

but I did find a box of pics that has a pic of the Ape panel. 

Also some pics of a couple of Apemania rejects I recast,

as well as some of my own sculpts and my band pics.

I'll find the Kim Hunter pictures sooner rather than later.

The lifemask I made supporting some of the appliances.  

Left to right is William Windom, Kim and Wright King.

 

 

 

 

T

 

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From: LordTZer0@...
Reply-to: pota@yahoogroups.com
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 8/2/2009 4:54:07 A.M. Central Standard Time
Subj: [pota] Still Looking...

 

 

 

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From: Lord TZer0
To: jassicarotich@...
Sent: 8/2/2009 4:37:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: [pota] Pic from the Past...

 

 

    Hi Jess,

 

 

I haven't found the box with my pics with Kim Hunter yet,

but I did find a box of pics that has a pic of the Ape panel. 

Also some pics of a couple of Apemania rejects I recast,

as well as some of my own sculpts and my band pics.

I'll find the Kim Hunter pictures sooner rather than later.

The lifemask I made supporting some of the appliances.  

Left to right is William Windom, Kim and Wright King.

 

 

 

 

T

 

T 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:58 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: 2012 Ironic

 

"films to me were finally getting grittier and more truthful. to me the
films of roland e. and james c. were feelgood b.s. with a few
exceptions. the new fox chairlady and these two big budget
films[2012,avatar] might return us to the late 80s to late 90s dreck
that gave us the burton apes film. if i were to use these films[if they
are profitable] to predict the future,they would point to a direction i
dont think we want to return to... john m."

John, you're a little behind the times. Films were "getting grittier
and more truthful" back in the late sixties/early seventies, but the
grosses on JAWS, STAR WARS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS drew a close to that
era -- the era of the "director-driven" film. We're now three decades
down the road of the greedy corporate concept-driven film (and it's
weakness for sequels and remakes) that is destroying traditional
concepts of narrative film and I don't think there's any hope of a
return.

-- Rory

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"To all the lovers of the TV movies I have this to say, "That was then,
this is now. You get a hold of that and hang on to it, or you might as
well be dead." <<

Says the person who never got past enjoying the first film..."

Not true. I enjoyed all the sequels -- WHEN I WAS A KID! (Well,
BENEATH has always bummed me out.) Believe it or not, I actually
thought BATTLE was good the first time I saw it.

What happened after that is a few years followed, both I and the movies
got older, and I began to realize that the sequels weren't as good as
my younger self thought, in fact, in many respects the sequels got
sillier with age. I began to notice that others shared this opinion,
and what was worse was that they started having this same opinion of
the ORIGINAL, which, I believe was because the general public can't
tell one APES film from another. The reputation of the CLASSIC
ORIGINAL was being pulled down by the lesser quality of the sequels.
That's when I went ape. At one point in the early nineties, completely
disgusted with how badly PLANET had been treated -- no, disrespected!
-- by Fox Home Video (CBS/Fox whatever!), I actually called for the
destruction of the sequels. (Can't say I really meant it, but I was so
mad about the situation it's a good thing I didn't have the power to do
it, and, thankfully, the situation with Fox started to turn around in
the late nineties.)

As for the TV movies... if you destroy them no one is missing out on
anything. They're the TV series in an edited form. Why would you want
to watch the TV movies when you can watch them in their ORIGINAL
form?!!!!! Sorry, but I just don't get it.

This is shaping up to being one of the silliest arguments I've ever had
in this group.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: lawford42 <lawford42@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: TV series















"Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:

>>To all the lovers of the TV movies I have this

to say, "That was then,
this is now. You get a hold of that and hang on to
it, or you might as
well be dead." <<

Says the person who never got past enjoying the first film...

>>As for the "certain nostalgic charm" of some things... If

there's
one
thing I've learned since discovering the IMDB and the comments left

there, that no matter what the movie or TV show's quality, somewhere in

the universe there's someone who loves it. <<

And were it not for nostalgia, groups like this wouldn't exist in the
first
place. People enjoy different things for different reasons. If you
don't enjoy
something, don't watch it. But don't decree that it should be destroyed
just because you personally have a problem with it, because there
are people who do enjoy watching whatever the program may be. Why
should
they miss out on something because someone else doesn't enjoy it/has a
problem
with it?


Chris L.