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I have to say I agree with Rory on this one. The TV series is available on DVD in its original form. The TV movies are just cut up versions. They didn't add any deleted scenes or anything that was not seen when the series first aired. In fact they cut some stuff out.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> As for the TV movies... if you destroy them no one is missing out on
> anything. They're the TV series in an edited form. Why would you want
> to watch the TV movies when you can watch them in their ORIGINAL
> form?!!!!! Sorry, but I just don't get it.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:

>
> Maybe so, but remember that this show had been gone from the airwaves for
> six years at that point. We had no DVR, DVD, LD, VCR, on demand- nothing.
> And until the Sci-Fi channel started showing the series in the 90's, the
> telemovies were the only way to see some of the TV series episodes AT ALL
> during all of the 80's and early 90's.

True, but in the 70s and early 80s for most the only way to see the theatrical films was on the 4:30 movie (or something similar in markets other than New York). But now would I rather see those cut up 4:30 movie versions or the DVD/Blu-Ray versions of the theatrical films?

>
> I'm curious as to what got the TV movies made. I don't think that- six
> years after the show had been cancelled- anyone was thinking about
> syndicating the series.
>
>

No of course not. There were no where enough episodes for syndication. But the POTA theatrical films were doing very well when they were aired on local stations. So to milk more money out of the franchise FOX created the TV-movies out of the TV series and sold them to the local stations as "5 new Planet of the Apes movies".

Both and even as far back as the Super Bowl weekend marathon that FMC had a few years ago.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> This past Halloween weekend, or last Thanksgiving? Or both?
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

I have to disagree with you here. The fall in DVD sales is probably more due to the recession than people buying Blu-Rays. Blu-Ray sales have not been good. Most who purchased a DVD player in the last 10 years are not running out to replace it with a Blu-Ray player. In fact DVD player sales are still higher than Blu-Ray players. Why buy a Blu-Ray player costing $200 or more when you can get a DVD player for under $100? Plus consumer surveys show that most don't realize that Blu-Ray players will play DVDs too. They think if they buy a Blu-Ray player, they'll have to replace all the DVDs in their collection. Plus many consumers don't see a substantial upgrade in quality with Blu-Ray over DVD like they saw with DVD over VHS a decade ago.

Also, DVD players have probably reached a saturation point in US households by the point. Combine that with consumers not having the amount of disposable income they had a few years ago, you get a drop in sales. People are just not spending right now on anything. Same can probably said about DVD releases. People have bought their all time favorite movies and TV series on DVD already and are being selective about the new stuff that is coming out to save money.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I think the fall of DVD sales are due to the transition of DVD to Blu-ray. Why buy a DVD if sooner or later you'll end up buying a Blu-ray version as well?
> And because Blu-rays are still expensive, people are just waiting for prices to drop as did DVDs in the beginning. I remember the first Planet of the Apes DVD Boxset was $100, now that same boxset can be bought for $20 to $40.
>
> Right now, buying DVD and Blu-ray movies is just in a very bad place right now. Especially when the studios will suddenly through a special edition version of a movie once everyone buys the first released version of it. It's not that DVDs and Blu-rays are any less exciting, nor piracy is killing the market, it's simply that people are being a lot more smarter and wiser when it comes to the purchase of movies due to the history of DVD sales.
>
> But yet the studios just don't seem to get it. They think people continue to be stupid about it.
> But the drop in DVD, Blu-ray sales clearly shows that their not. And pretty much fedup with this greedy DVD format market.
>
> Al    
>
>
>

Planet of the Apes reviewed by Christer Andresen

http://snipurl.com/pota2001

Greetings from Glenn Folkvord
Chief editor

Haristas@... wrote:

> Why? Is there something wrong with opinions? (I'm talking those
> based on a good general knowledge of stuff, as opposed to opinions by
> those that don't know what they're talking about. The worse are
> opinions by those that THINK they know what they're talking about,
> but are really idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)

Which Glenn are you talking about?

Greetings from Glenn Folkvord
Chief editor

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> > The worse are
> > opinions by those that THINK they know what they're talking about,
> > but are really idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)

> Which Glenn are you talking about?

Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, I'm sure....

Hunter

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Really?  Because a lot of what they've said

has either been proved to be true or happened

already.  Which things specifically do they not

know what they're talking about?  You mean

like "Global Warming"?  Seems Al Gore is

making a pile of money on carbon credits

and they one guy who spent 20 years

collecting data on it says we're cooling.

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 3:03:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

> > The worse are
> > opinions by those that THINK they know what they're talking about,
> > but are really idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)

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I just noticed . . .

 

How did I get dragged into flaunting

my Hestonian politics in an off topic

Tim Burton retrospective?  WTF?

 

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 6:44:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

 

 

Really?  Because a lot of what they've said

has either been proved to be true or happened

already.  Which things specifically do they not

know what they're talking about?  You mean

like "Global Warming"?  Seems Al Gore is

making a pile of money on carbon credits

and they one guy who spent 20 years

collecting data on it says we're cooling.

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 3:03:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@goatley. com writes:

> > The worse are
> > opinions by those that THINK they know what they're talking about,
> > but are really idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)

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Mmm, Global Warming - funny how there isn't much talk about the icecaps on Mars melting as well; just like ours.  - Scott B. --- On Mon, 11/16/09, LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...> wrote: From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:07 PM     Really?  Because a lot of what they've said has either been proved to be true or happened already.  Which things specifically do they not know what they're talking about?  You mean like "Global Warming"?  Seems Al Gore is making a pile of money on carbon credits and they one guy who spent 20 years collecting data on it says we're cooling.   In a message dated 11/16/2009 3:03:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@goatley. com writes: > > The worse are > > opinions by those that THINK they know what they're talking about, > > but are really idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)

"Planet of the Apes reviewed by Christer Andresen

http://snipurl.com/pota2001

Greetings from Glenn Folkvord
Chief editor"

I stopped reading after the first couple lines: "I have to admit to
thinking that the original Planet of the Apes (Franklin J. Schaffner,
1968) is overrated. Charlton Heston has just about the dramatic range
of Arnold Schwarzenegger"

Who's this buttafuco?!!!!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective

 

 

Really?  Because a lot of what they've said

has either been proved to be true or happened

already.  Which things specifically do they not

know what they're talking about?  You mean

like "Global Warming"?  Seems Al Gore is

making a pile of money on carbon credits

and they one guy who spent 20 years

collecting data on it says we're cooling.

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 3:03:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@goatley. com writes:

> > The worse are
> > opinions by those that THINK they know what they're talking about,
> > but are really idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)

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"So to milk more money out of the franchise FOX created the TV-movies
out of the TV series and sold them to the local stations as "5 new
Planet of the Apes movies"."

Yeah, and it was a ripoff then and it's still a ripoff. They're movie
like I'm a talking chimpanzee. (Maybe I should scratch that last
statement?)


"But now would I rather see those cut up 4:30 movie versions or the
DVD/Blu-Ray versions of the theatrical films?"

Well now, you know what? I'll bet that if I told you guys that I had
video recordings of those original 4:30 movie broadcasts -- including
the commercials -- and could put them on DVD and give them free to
anyone who simply emailed me privately.....

-- Rory

"Well, I don't know about your part of the country, but here? Malls,
Supermarkets, Best Buys, you name it, anywhere you go, the shops are
pack wall to wall with consumers. And traffic bumper to bumper. At
least that's what I see everyday I walk out my door. In my opinion,
people are buying. Only buying wiser.

Al"

That's because you live in South Florida, Al, where I used to live, and
the rules are different there, and there's all that South American drug
money and everybody is crazy and rude, and all the credit cards are
maxed out, and.... now I watch South Florida on "Cops."

-- Rory

"Hi there!!!

We in the UK have another showing of the first APES movie on Channel 4,
1.15pm This afternoon...catch it on CH4 + 1( 2.15pm) if one's an hour
late ...also on Channel 4 HD!

Robin"

Hi there!!! Back at 'ya! Hey, let us know how it looks in HD,
letterboxed or what? Brilliant. Cheers!

Bloody British.

-- Rory

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"Sorry, T...Conservatism is sooo 5 minutes ago. You don't want to be
"out of step", do you?"

You Betcha! "Wink, wink!"

-- Fake T

"I just noticed . . .

How did I get dragged into flaunting
my Hestonian politics in an off topic
Tim Burton retrospective? WTF?"

Could it have something to do with your genes?

-- Rory

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Dude, I'm a 48 year old punk rocker.

Do you really think I give a rat's ass

about being in step with anyone?

Pullllllllease!  I've been marching

to the beat of a different drummer

since drums were made out of logs!

Just because drummers have been

replaced by machines is no reason

to start now.  I do sometimes still

record with drums, but they are

samples on V-Drums because

there's a volume knob.  Just because

I like loud music, it's no reason to

piss off the neighbors.  See F-Word

episode of South Park.

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:45:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Sorry, T...Conservatism is sooo 5 minutes ago. You don't want to be "out of step", do you?

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Way OT but if anyone would like to know what they're talking about

here is a link for Professor Richard Siegmund Lindzen at MIT,  the

most learned man in the field of climate change.  No maybe Al

Gore won't be able to sell the ManBearPig Bill to the public.

 

See South Park

 

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 10:50:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

 

 

I just noticed . . .

 

How did I get dragged into flaunting

my Hestonian politics in an off topic

Tim Burton retrospective?  WTF?

 

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 6:44:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@AOL. com writes:

 

 

Really?  Because a lot of what they've said

has either been proved to be true or happened

already.  Which things specifically do they not

know what they're talking about?  You mean

like "Global Warming"?  Seems Al Gore is

making a pile of money on carbon credits

and they one guy who spent 20 years

collecting data on it says we're cooling.

 

In a message dated 11/16/2009 3:03:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@goatley. com writes:

> > The worse are
> > opinions by those that THINK they know what they're talking about,
> > but are really idiots -- a certain Rush and Glenn come to mind.)

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I'd be interested in seeing the bumpers if they contained something interesting and for nostalgia. But not to see the films themselves.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Well now, you know what? I'll bet that if I told you guys that I had
> video recordings of those original 4:30 movie broadcasts -- including
> the commercials -- and could put them on DVD and give them free to
> anyone who simply emailed me privately.....
>
> -- Rory
>

Well this is what an old boss of mine would call a 'focus group of one'. Interesting for anecdotal information but not reflective of the whole picture.

Different parts of the country are being hit by the recession in different ways. Some are doing better, some worse. If you live in an area that's doing better you're lucky but don't confuse that with what's going on in the rest of the country.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I don't know about your part of the country, but here? Malls, Supermarkets, Best Buys, you name it, anywhere you go, the shops are pack wall to wall with consumers. And traffic bumper to bumper. At least that's what I see everyday I walk out my door. In my opinion, people are buying. Only buying wiser.
>
> Al 
>

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A lot of this debate reminds me of Zaius at the end of Planet. There he says "There is no contradiction between faith and science, true science". Of course Zaius has it wrong, it is not just reliant on true science but on true faith as well. Unfortunately like some in regard to climate change Zaius refuses to accept the scientific evidence presented in the cave because of his ideology. However, as Taylor later points out, like an MIT professor who is chiefly funded by ExxonMobil & Opec (http://tinyurl.com/l73q7m),  Zaius has an inherent conflict of interest in his role as Chief Defender of the the Faith. Thus he dismisses the scientific evidence right in front of him until the doll says 'mama' and he can dismiss it no more. But instead of accepting scientific fact (http://tinyurl.com/5jlyn) Zaius decides to supress it, like an admistration that supressed NASA science (http://tinyurl.com/ot2k8) for years, and blow up the cave to destroy the doll that conflicts with his ideology.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Way OT but if anyone would like to know what they're talking about
> here is a link for Professor Richard Siegmund Lindzen at MIT, the
> most learned man in the field of climate change. No maybe Al
> Gore won't be able to sell the ManBearPig Bill to the public.
>
> See South Park
>
>
>

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I'd love to see them too---is there a handy way to do this which minimises effort? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'd be interested in seeing the bumpers if they contained something
> interesting and for nostalgia. But not to see the films themselves.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well now, you know what? I'll bet that if I told you guys that I had
> > video recordings of those original 4:30 movie broadcasts -- including
> > the commercials -- and could put them on DVD and give them free to
> > anyone who simply emailed me privately.....
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>

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"Way OT but if anyone would like to know what they're talking about
here is a link for Professor Richard Siegmund Lindzen at MIT, the
most learned man in the field of climate change. No maybe Al
Gore won't be able to sell the ManBearPig Bill to the public.

See South Park"

I didn't see any link, T, but I gotta tell 'ya, anyone that gets their
wisdom from South Park is more than a little suspect in my book.

See "something more substantial -- anything!"

Oh, and by the way, the term "Global Warming" should be dropped. It's
"Climate Change" that's the issue.

-- Rory

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I was saying "if"

I don't have them.

-----Original Message-----
From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 11:36 am
Subject: [pota] Re: TV series


I'd love to see them too---is there a handy way to do this which
minimises effort? John, Scrolls.

"Wow. If you get your "truth" from Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck then you
must be a little off yourself. BTW, if your a conservative then how can
you be a true POTA fan? The series was kinda made with 60's liberalism
in mind. You must watch the first two and cheer for Dr. Zaius."

I know this message was meant for the amazing Dr. T, but I'd like to
say that I consider myself generally liberal, not far left, but still
liberal, and I watch the first two APES films and cheer for Dr. Zaius.

Dr. Zaius is cool. I wouldn't want him to get his hands on me, but I
like him.

-- Rory

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Rob R

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: johnroche49@...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:36:25 +0000
Subject: [pota] Re: TV series

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I find both Rush and Glenn incredibly funny where as Zaius was never
funny (on Bewitched he was hysterical)

KJ

FYI, Wondercon has been moved to April 2-4 instead of the usual February occurrence... in case anybody wants to show up in ape gear so that I'm not the only ape in town!!

Jess.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:53 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective

 

I find both Rush and Glenn incredibly funny where as Zaius was never
funny (on Bewitched he was hysterical)

KJ

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Oh?  Where do you get yours?

NPR?  The Lame Stream Media?

Actually I look at both sides.  And

both have a slant to them.  If you don't

look at both, you'll never know what the

other side ISN"T reporting.  That's where

the real stories are.  As Taylor says...

"Keep digging"  Or as Zaius says . . .

"Don't look for it.  You may not like what you find."

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 10:04:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

Wow. If you get your "truth" from Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck then you must be a little off yourself.

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Richard Lindzen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 12:07:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I didn't see any link, T,

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Funny thing about Climate Change

it's always been changing.  And when

only ha handful of people on the planet

can actually do the math, who do you

trust?  One estimate says that if all

man made activity stopped it would

take over 30 years to lower the 

temperature by 1 degree Fahrenheit.

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 12:07:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Oh, and by the way, the term "Global Warming" should be dropped. It's
"Climate Change" that's the issue.

-- Rory

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Gen. Ursus is pretty cool too.

And an excellent public speaker

as well.  Certainly persuasive.

Doesn't make him right, but . . .

Interesting though.  He did have a point.

The population was growing.  And they

needed farm land to sustain that growth.

"We invade, or we starve."

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 2:02:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Dr. Zaius is cool. I wouldn't want him to get his hands on me, but I
like him.

-- Rory

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There was that one line . . .

"Where are your women, Taylor?"

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 6:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, pellew@... writes:

I find both Rush and Glenn incredibly funny where as Zaius was never
funny (on Bewitched he was hysterical)

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I wish that had been left out.

It was originally done as a joke.

But the director thought it would be

a good tension breaker, and it was left it.

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 7:39:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:



  What about the "Hear no evil", "Speak no evil" thing? That Zauis is a card! I bet it was his idea. The orangs do it for their own amusement.

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LOL!  I heard he's thinking of running for

President.  The term "Unelectable" comes

to mind.  Sarah Palin would have a better

chance.  Though I'm not sure she's electable

after all that brouhaha.  Marco Rubio maybe.

   

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 3:35:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

I'd have to go with someone like Dick Cheney

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This is very interesting.  What happens when the guy who has the most info, has to report to those who have something to gain.  It get very dicey.  Much like Zaius and the council.  Here's another example.  Who see the president more than anyone according to the White House logs?  SEIU guy Andy Stern.  The guy who would benefit most from government run health care. A guy who spouts, "Workers of the World Unite!"  And if we try KSM and the other Guantanamo Bay guys under civil law, then you have to throw out Miranda Rights, Due Process, The Right To A Speedy Trial, and a half a dozen other Constitutional Rights, and either make a Tayloresque Show Trial of it to get a conviction, or Set Precedent, screwing up trial law forever, or just let them walk.  There is a very POTA like pattern here.

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"LOL! I heard he's thinking of running for
President. The term "Unelectable" comes
to mind. Sarah Palin would have a better
chance. Though I'm not sure she's electable
after all that brouhaha. Marco Rubio maybe."

Sarah Palin will never be President. She blew it back in that Katie
What's-her-face interview. I'm really sick of hearing about this woman.

-- Rory

A nine minute interview culled from 9 hours worth of tape -
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Haristas@... wrote:

> "LOL! I heard he's thinking of running for
> President. The term "Unelectable" comes
> to mind. Sarah Palin would have a better
> chance. Though I'm not sure she's electable
> after all that brouhaha. Marco Rubio maybe."
>
> Sarah Palin will never be President. She blew it back in that Katie
> What's-her-face interview. I'm really sick of hearing about this woman.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: johnroche49

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:36 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: TV series

 

I'd love to see them too---is there a handy way to do this which minimises effort? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> I'd be interested in seeing the bumpers if they contained something
> interesting and for nostalgia. But not to see the films themselves.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well now, you know what? I'll bet that if I told you guys that I had
> > video recordings of those original 4:30 movie broadcasts -- including
> > the commercials -- and could put them on DVD and give them free to
> > anyone who simply emailed me privately... ..
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective

 

 

Gen. Ursus is pretty cool too.

And an excellent public speaker

as well.  Certainly persuasive.

Doesn't make him right, but . . .

Interesting though.  He did have a point.

The population was growing.  And they

needed farm land to sustain that growth.

"We invade, or we starve."

 

 

In a message dated 11/17/2009 2:02:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@aol. com writes:

Dr. Zaius is cool. I wouldn't want him to get his hands on me, but I
like him.

-- Rory

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On his show, Conan said, She and Hillary

have agreed to meet at the Never Will Be President Cafe.

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2009 3:18:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, pellew@... writes:

 

A nine minute interview culled from 9 hours worth of tape -
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmm

Haristas@aol. com wrote:
> "LOL! I heard he's thinking of running for
> President. The term "Unelectable" comes
> to mind. Sarah Palin would have a better
> chance. Though I'm not sure she's electable
> after all that brouhaha. Marco Rubio maybe."
>
> Sarah Palin will never be President. She blew it back in that Katie
> What's-her-face interview. I'm really sick of hearing about this woman.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:27 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective

 

This is very interesting.  What happens when the guy who has the most info, has to report to those who have something to gain.  It get very dicey.  Much like Zaius and the council.  Here's another example.  Who see the president more than anyone according to the White House logs?  SEIU guy Andy Stern.  The guy who would benefit most from government run health care. A guy who spouts, "Workers of the World Unite!"  And if we try KSM and the other Guantanamo Bay guys under civil law, then you have to throw out Miranda Rights, Due Process, The Right To A Speedy Trial, and a half a dozen other Constitutional Rights, and either make a Tayloresque Show Trial of it to get a conviction, or Set Precedent, screwing up trial law forever, or just let them walk.  There is a very POTA like pattern here.

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I'm going to ask everyone to end this thread since it has now devolved into personal insults. We've never had a problem with a discussion of politics as it relates back to POTA since it is a political film. But this thread has really departed from anything having to with POTA. There are plenty of political discussion boards out there where everyone can debate about Obama, Palin Rush, Healthcare, Afganistan, etc. I can even recommend a few to anyone interested. But this group does not exist to discuss politics. It's here to discuss POTA. Please remember that. Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> I was a history major with a high GPA. I know how to research. Don't insult me. I highly doubt that you look at both sides objectively given the statements that you've made.
>
>

Thanks William! Where did you find the pic of that Beneath banner?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, heres some fun planet items . from william burge
>

Oh Rory! You're such a tease!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I was saying "if"
>
> I don't have them.
>

Funny, Heston said the same thing about Maurice Evans;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Dr. Zaius is cool. I wouldn't want him to get his hands on me, but I
> like him.
>
> -- Rory
>

While it is a joke it is a good visual commentary on Ape society. Remember the Orangutans see anything that varies from their religious dogma as evil. During that scene Cornelius and Zira are presenting their theory of evolution which directly challenges the Apes religious dogma. Thus, the tribunal sees it as evil and refuses to deal with it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> I wish that had been left out.
> It was originally done as a joke.
> But the director thought it would be
> a good tension breaker, and it was left it.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/17/2009 7:39:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> 
> What about the "Hear no evil", "Speak no evil" thing? That Zauis is a
> card! I bet it was his idea. The orangs do it for their own amusement.
>

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM, <PofTAfan@...> wrote:

I just put in my application for SDCC so I will be at Comic-con for 2010.

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 7:18 pm
Subject: [pota] Wondercon 2010, San Francisco

FYI, Wondercon has been moved to April 2-4 instead of the usual February occurrence... in case anybody wants to show up in ape gear so that I'm not the only ape in town!!

Jess.

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jamesa1102 wrote:

> *Also, DVD players have probably reached a saturation point in US
> households by the point. Combine that with consumers not having the
> amount of disposable income they had a few years ago, you get a drop
> in sales. People are just not spending right now on anything.

To add to these fair points, there is also the fact that there are many
more things to spend money and time on, at least compared to 10 or 15
years ago. Mobile games, sms, mms, online games, Wii and other console
games, the internet in general, on-demand video and TV, streaming
services, Netflix.....

There's no way DVD and BluRay can grow as fast as in the early 00s with
all that competition.

Greetings from Glenn Folkvord
Chief editor

Haristas@... wrote:

> Who's this buttafuco?!!!!

LOL! Christer is no POTA fanboy. He's a film professor at a university,
with a special interest in sci-fi.

However, do you argue that Charlton Heston is a great actor? I enjoy
many of his movies, including POTA, but I never thought of him as a
"great actor". He looks his parts, he was a cool actor, did many good
movies and all that, but his movies were usually better than his
individual performances.

But you can keep on reading. Christer rated POTA 2001 only 3 of 10,
which I think is near the general consensus of that movie. And his
rating says a lot, because Christer is a big Burton fan.

Greetings from Glenn Folkvord
Chief editor

"However for me Blu Ray and HD tv's all seem a bit much. I understand
that viewing is probably better but it is a bit of a stretch for people
to go out, buy a TV that is HD Ready, then a Blu Ray player, Surround
Sound System and then the actual films."

There's no "probably" about it, mate, and I guess you can call me
"Stretch."

-- Rory

"Gen. Ursus would've invaded Iraq, just like Rush would want him to."

Gen. Ursus looks cool, but, as Zira implies, he's a bonehead, and like
Rush, he's a d*@%#bag!

Hey, that reminds me... I have a small story. I can relate Rush
Limbaugh to PLANET OF THE APES.

Back in the early/mid '90s Limbaugh had a TV show. Now, I despise
Limbaugh; I truly believe he's an idiot -- and I don't care how rich he
is -- he's made his money selling advertising on radio by sitting on
his ass and sprouting off the most simpleminded, politically prejudiced
nonsense in the country, not allowing himself to be challenged on it,
and then on top of that he goes gets himself addicted to drugs,
destroys his hearing and has four failed marriages under his belt --
and, oh, by the way, I think he's a major a**hole too.

But anyway, I used to try and listen to some of him on the radio and I
once watched some of this TV show he had. It was a terrible show,
terrible as in dull and unimaginative -- pretty much like Limbaugh
himself, but one day he was talking about the Democratic Congress (this
was back in the early '90s when the Democrats controlled Congress and
Limbaugh was doing the same thing then to them and Clinton that he's
now doing to the current Democratic Congress and President -- if
there's one thing I will give Limbaugh credit for it's consistency) and
his show was him sitting at a desk and showing film clips of the
terrible liberal things he wanted to destroy or merely mock in his oh
so adorable and hysterical way (it's really funny how Limbaugh thinks
he's so funny), and he shows this clip of row upon row of Congressmen
either cheering or applauding something (I can't remember what it was)
and then Limbaugh comes back on and says.... "Look at that... it's like
something out of 'Planet of the Apes.'" Of course he's referring
actually to BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES and the Ursus speech scene,
but at the time I couldn't believe the coincidence that there I was to
catch Limbaugh in probably the only POTA reference he'll ever make.

And that's my story.

-- Rory

"Funny, Heston said the same thing about Maurice Evans;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Dr. Zaius is cool. I wouldn't want him to get his hands on me, but I
> like him.
>
> -- Rory"

Just so everyone understands this -- Evans was supposedly gay.

Cute, James. (Insert fart noise)

-- Rory

"However, do you argue that Charlton Heston is a great actor?"

Depends on how you define "great." As an American movie icon, I
believe Heston is "great." As an actor in comparison of Laurence
Olivier, Heston was not that "great." But I think he gave very good
performances in many of his films. His best is probably WILL PENNY
(Have you seen it?), and I think he does a "great" job in PLANET, in
fact, the movie wouldn't be as good as it is if it wasn't for Ol'
Chuck, and I think the rest of the series is the lesser because he
wasn't in them, BUT, I also believe that Heston was the kind of film
actor that was only as good as his director, so......

-- Rory

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That's the best you got?

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2009 8:04:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Ha! T said "log".

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Worst Science Article of the Week: io9's Unspeakable Genetic Error | Discoblog | Discover Magazine

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Don't make me laugh.

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:30:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

I was a history major with a high GPA. I know how to research. Don't insult me.

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What would Zira do?

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2009 10:47:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Kevin, not sure if I am allowed to attend the SDCC 2010.  I really want to, but my husband is refusing me to attend. 

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:54 PM, <PofTAfan@...> wrote:

I am so sorry to hear that. I was hoping to see you there, why not spend money for rail tickets instead.

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Wondercon 2010, San Francisco

Kevin, not sure if I am allowed to attend the SDCC 2010. I really want to, but my husband is refusing me to attend. Besides, I have to see how the children do at Wondercon first before I splurge on our airline tickets.

On a different note, is anybody attending the San Francisco Star Trek Convention in January, 2010???

Jess.

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I've always respected Paul Williams as a songwriter.

If you really want to see him shine, watch Phantom of

Paradise.  It's a rock & roll combination of Faust and

Phantom of the Opera.  It was shot here in Dallas.

 

Cybergrass Bluegrass Music News: ASCAP President Paul Williams Stands Up For Songwriters

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:06 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

What would Zira do?

In a message dated 11/18/2009 10:47:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Kevin, not sure if I am allowed to attend the SDCC 2010. I really want to, but my husband is refusing me to attend.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:15 PM

Subject: [pota] Paul Williams

 

 

I've always respected Paul Williams as a songwriter.

If you really want to see him shine, watch Phantom of

Paradise.  It's a rock & roll combination of Faust and

Phantom of the Opera.  It was shot here in Dallas.

 

Cybergrass Bluegrass Music News: ASCAP President Paul Williams Stands Up For Songwriters

<.html

Sorry but didn't James put a stop to this crap already? No moderators around again?

Neil

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Don't make me laugh.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:30:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:
>
> I was a history major with a high GPA. I know how to research. Don't
> insult me.
>

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A woman who actually feels guilty about throwing a tantrum.

Will her wonders never cease?

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2009 11:55:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

so that I can attend the con without feeling guilt for throwing a tantrum...

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Once again I'll ask everyone to stay on topic and please address each other in a respectful manner. Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry but didn't James put a stop to this crap already? No moderators around again?
>
> Neil
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Don't make me laugh.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:30:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > ursuszaiuscaesar@ writes:
> >
> > I was a history major with a high GPA. I know how to research. Don't
> > insult me.
> >
>

Hi, folks,

Some time back, I unearthed an unpublished page from Marvel, containing a chimp named Viraga. For a while, that was the only known page from that story, until last year, when three more pages surfaced.

Now, I've located six more, thanks to POTA fan Ed Haber, bringing the total known pages up to 10. Those pages are now available on Hunter's site, in the Marvel Ultimate Edition section. The new pages contain a title for the story, "Forbidden Zone Prime," and offer a much better idea of what it's about.

Unfortunately, we still don't have the page listing the artist, who remains a mystery, nor do we yet know how long the tale is. But I'm starting to have faith that the rest of the story may some day emerge!

Enjoy!

https://pota.goatley.com/marvel-ultimate.html"

Rich

I saw this story last week, but knew that it didn't amount to much, so
didn't bothering mentioning it.

It would take a great deal of genetic manipulation to create talking
apes. POTA really has it right in the look of the apes, because apes
would have to become more human-like in order to talk.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 11:52 pm
Subject: [pota] Fox Vox Gene Makes Chimps Chatty . . . or maybe not...


Worst Science Article of the Week: io9's Unspeakable Genetic Error |
Discoblog | Discover Magazine

That's great Rich! Thanks for sharing.

And thanks to Hunter for hosting on his site.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> Some time back, I unearthed an unpublished page from Marvel, containing a chimp named Viraga. For a while, that was the only known page from that story, until last year, when three more pages surfaced.
>
> Now, I've located six more, thanks to POTA fan Ed Haber, bringing the total known pages up to 10. Those pages are now available on Hunter's site, in the Marvel Ultimate Edition section. The new pages contain a title for the story, "Forbidden Zone Prime," and offer a much better idea of what it's about.
>
> Unfortunately, we still don't have the page listing the artist, who remains a mystery, nor do we yet know how long the tale is. But I'm starting to have faith that the rest of the story may some day emerge!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/marvel-ultimate.htmlbr>>
> Rich
>

James Aquila sent me a PDF of a 2010 calendar that celebrates the 40th
anniversary of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. You can download the
calendar from my Apes site:

https://pota.goatley.com/

Thanks, James!

Hunter

Jessica, sometimes when hubby says, "No'" you just gotta go along with it (not always, but sometimes). He's got his reasons. Doesn't he go along with your "No's" most of the time? (Sorry single people this letter is written in 'marriedspeak').   Besides he'll owe you one after that. Make it a good one.

 

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:42 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Wondercon 2010, San Francisco

 

 

A woman who actually feels guilty about throwing a tantrum.

Will her wonders never cease?

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2009 11:55:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@ gmail.com writes:

so that I can attend the con without feeling guilt for throwing a tantrum...

One of my favorite films ever.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> I've always respected Paul Williams as a songwriter.
> If you really want to see him shine, watch Phantom of
> Paradise. It's a rock & roll combination of Faust and
> Phantom of the Opera. It was shot here in Dallas.
>
> _Cybergrass Bluegrass Music News: ASCAP President Paul Williams Stands Up
> For Songwriters_
> (http://www.cybergrass.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7034)
>

Yup. That's what marriage is about! Give and take...

Besides, who else would put up with my eccentricities?

Jess.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:23 PM, <stenosaurus@...> wrote:

Jessica, sometimes when hubby says, "No'" you just gotta go along with it (not always, but sometimes). He's got his reasons. Doesn't he go along with your "No's" most of the time? (Sorry single people this letter is written in 'marriedspeak'). Besides he'll owe you one after that. Make it a good one.

Bruce

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Joanne

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went to a party in 1979 and let me tell you it was an eye opener. evans ,roddy, mineo[died 1973] and at leat ten more ape actors are leading a 'fun lifestyle' and i dont give a damn. just like i know that the illusion of ape city and conquest city is just that its the whole package that intrigues me. when i was young it was dissapointing to know this but as i got older i realized that some of the best actors are of this persuasion. its a very fun business and i had to understand this being strait myself. what are you going to do. people who have been persecuted seem to be the most resilient and talanted. i dont believe you wake up one morning and your a homosexual its in your genes and thats it. just like being black, jewish, white, irish, etc...this is our wourld, enjoy it., john m

i made a mistake sal died in 1976. sorry

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> went to a party in 1979 and let me tell you it was an eye opener. evans ,roddy, mineo[died 1973] and at leat ten more ape actors are leading a 'fun lifestyle' and i dont give a damn. just like i know that the illusion of ape city and conquest city is just that its the whole package that intrigues me. when i was young it was dissapointing to know this but as i got older i realized that some of the best actors are of this persuasion. its a very fun business and i had to understand this being strait myself. what are you going to do. people who have been persecuted seem to be the most resilient and talanted. i dont believe you wake up one morning and your a homosexual its in your genes and thats it. just like being black, jewish, white, irish, etc...this is our wourld, enjoy it., john m
>

"went to a party in 1979 and let me tell you it was an eye opener.
evans ,roddy, mineo[died 1973] and at leat ten more ape actors are
leading a 'fun lifestyle' and i dont give a damn. just like i know that
the illusion of ape city and conquest city is just that its the whole
package that intrigues me. when i was young it was disappointing to
know this but as i got older i realized that some of the best actors
are of this persuasion. its a very fun business and i had to understand
this being strait myself. what are you going to do. people who have
been persecuted seem to be the most resilient and talanted. i dont
believe you wake up one morning and your a homosexual its in your genes
and thats it. just like being black, jewish, white, irish, etc...this
is our wourld, enjoy it., john m"

Sal Mineo was killed in 1976, if I remember correctly.

I don't know what brought this post -- Was it your wise crack about
Evans, James?!!! -- but it reminds me to warn everyone here that if you
don't want some cherished idol worship of Roddy McDowall to be tarnished
DON'T READ -- I repeat -- DON'T READ "Merv Griffin: A Life in the
Closet"

You may not like what you find.

-- Rory

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Yes but this one went out before I read James'.

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2009 8:25:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Sorry but didn't James put a stop to this crap already? No moderators around again?

Neil

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I'm sure I would.  But you'd

have to ask my ex and her

daughter to move out. I know

I have.  But seriously, Though

we have moved in together, I'd

doubt I'd take the plunge again.

Weddings are fine and dandy.

Divorces always suck, no matter

how amicable they might be.

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2009 5:02:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Besides, who else would put up with my eccentricities?

Jess.

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yeah just posted it because it seems hollywood and broadway and the whole entertainment industry is this way, in fact life is this way and a previous post about evans brought it up. did not meant to piss anyone off. just so-what. i corrected myself on the following post about mineos death. take care ..john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "went to a party in 1979 and let me tell you it was an eye opener.
> evans ,roddy, mineo[died 1973] and at leat ten more ape actors are
> leading a 'fun lifestyle' and i dont give a damn. just like i know that
> the illusion of ape city and conquest city is just that its the whole
> package that intrigues me. when i was young it was disappointing to
> know this but as i got older i realized that some of the best actors
> are of this persuasion. its a very fun business and i had to understand
> this being strait myself. what are you going to do. people who have
> been persecuted seem to be the most resilient and talanted. i dont
> believe you wake up one morning and your a homosexual its in your genes
> and thats it. just like being black, jewish, white, irish, etc...this
> is our wourld, enjoy it., john m"
>
> Sal Mineo was killed in 1976, if I remember correctly.
>
> I don't know what brought this post -- Was it your wise crack about
> Evans, James?!!! -- but it reminds me to warn everyone here that if you
> don't want some cherished idol worship of Roddy McDowall to be tarnished
> DON'T READ -- I repeat -- DON'T READ "Merv Griffin: A Life in the
> Closet"
>
> You may not like what you find.
>
> -- Rory
>

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Even straight actors can be kinky.

Pee Wee in the Porn House.  Bob

"Hogan's Heroes" Crane's Home

Movies.  But I know what you're

saying about Hollywood.  When

I found out how films were made,

I found it very difficult to watch a

movie and just get caught up in

it, and not think of them as actors,

an pick apart the lighting, sound,

camera angles, etc . . .  Just as

a side note.  Paul Williams is

nearly 70.  68 years old.  I know!

Ever notice how both he and Kim

tend to wander in and out of a

British accent?  I know why she

did, not quite sure why he does.

 

 

In a message dated 11/20/2009 12:55:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

 

yeah just posted it because it seems hollywood and broadway and the whole entertainment industry is this way, in fact life is this way and a previous post about evans brought it up. did not meant to piss anyone off. just so-what. i corrected myself on the following post about mineos death. take care ..john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "went to a party in 1979 and let me tell you it was an eye opener.
> evans ,roddy, mineo[died 1973] and at leat ten more ape actors are
> leading a 'fun lifestyle' and i dont give a damn. just like i know that
> the illusion of ape city and conquest city is just that its the whole
> package that intrigues me. when i was young it was disappointing to
> know this but as i got older i realized that some of the best actors
> are of this persuasion. its a very fun business and i had to understand
> this being strait myself. what are you going to do. people who have
> been persecuted seem to be the most resilient and talanted. i dont
> believe you wake up one morning and your a homosexual its in your genes
> and thats it. just like being black, jewish, white, irish, etc...this
> is our wourld, enjoy it., john m"
>
> Sal Mineo was killed in 1976, if I remember correctly.
>
> I don't know what brought this post -- Was it your wise crack about
> Evans, James?!!! -- but it reminds me to warn everyone here that if you
> don't want some cherished idol worship of Roddy McDowall to be tarnished
> DON'T READ -- I repeat -- DON'T READ "Merv Griffin: A Life in the
> Closet"
>
> You may not like what you find.
>
> -- Rory
>

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And yet they seemed fine about working with Heston.

And Heston had no problem working with them.  In

fact, it was Heston who recommended Evan for it.

Not the case however in POTA2K1.  Because even

though he played a gun wielding robber in Pulp Fiction

Tim Roth is a very anti gun Brit and hated having to

appear on the set with Heston, let alone do a scene.

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2009 11:03:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I don't know what brought this post -- Was it your wise crack about
Evans, James?!!! -- but it reminds me to warn everyone here that if you
don't want some cherished idol worship of Roddy McDowall to be tarnished
DON'T READ -- I repeat -- DON'T READ "Merv Griffin: A Life in the
Closet"

You may not like what you find.

<.html

And to Ed...who's not here...for making it possible!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> That's great Rich! Thanks for sharing.
>
> And thanks to Hunter for hosting on his site.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks,
> >
> > Some time back, I unearthed an unpublished page from Marvel,
> containing a chimp named Viraga. For a while, that was the only known
> page from that story, until last year, when three more pages surfaced.
> >
> > Now, I've located six more, thanks to POTA fan Ed Haber, bringing the
> total known pages up to 10. Those pages are now available on Hunter's
> site, in the Marvel Ultimate Edition section. The new pages contain a
> title for the story, "Forbidden Zone Prime," and offer a much better
> idea of what it's about.
> >
> > Unfortunately, we still don't have the page listing the artist, who
> remains a mystery, nor do we yet know how long the tale is. But I'm
> starting to have faith that the rest of the story may some day emerge!
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > https://pota.goatley.com/marvel-ultimate.html"
> >
> > Rich
> >
>