Just loved the way Percy Rodriguez spat out the name "Daku". Stunning performance. It's a fun show but does turn into a slightly clumsy stage play in the 3rd act. Lots of cool fighting earlier on though.

Mark.

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"And yet they seemed fine about working with Heston.
And Heston had no problem working with them. In
fact, it was Heston who recommended Evan for it.
Not the case however in POTA2K1. Because even
though he played a gun wielding robber in Pulp Fiction
Tim Roth is a very anti gun Brit and hated having to
appear on the set with Heston, let alone do a scene."

I do not like Tim Roth's opinions of Heston. I think Roth has been
quoted as calling Heston a "monster."

Well, I despised Heston's political side, but I have a certain amount
of respect for the career he had. Think how few have Hollywood careers
like his. You can count them on two hands, and Tim Roth is a movie
actor that will be forgotten but, I'll bet, Heston will still be
remembered

-- Rory

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Maybe it's my dyslexia, or the last couple

of emails about the disproportionate number

of gays in Hollywood, but I just read that

sentence as, a chimp named Viagra.

 

 

In a message dated 11/20/2009 7:32:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

> > Some time back, I unearthed an unpublished page from Marvel,
> containing a chimp named Viraga.

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What's ironic to me is that you have

people who made truly great films

The Ten Commandments, Ben Hur,

A Matter Of Life & Death (Stairway

To Heaven) A Streetcar Named

Desire.  What do people remember

more?  Planet Of The Apes.  That

has to be felt on some level.  It's

like trying to remind someone who

Brando was, and going Apocalypse

Now!  ???  And they go, "Oh yeah!

Superman's Dad!"  That's Hollywood!

 

 

In a message dated 11/20/2009 12:31:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I'll bet, Heston will still be
remembered

-- Rory

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"A Chimp Named Viagra"--now there's a movie I'd pay to go see.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
> Maybe it's my dyslexia, or the last couple
> of emails about the disproportionate number
> of gays in Hollywood, but I just read that
> sentence as, a chimp named Viagra.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/2009 7:32:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
>
> > > Some time back, I unearthed an unpublished page from Marvel,
> > containing a chimp named Viraga.
>

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Wasn't questioning your education so much as

education in general.  I question my education

as well.  I have a degree as well.  In fact I would

have graduated with honors if I hadn't gone for a

minor in Japanese.  That was a bit ambitious of

me, and an F in advanced Japanese dragged my

GPA below the level for honors in the final semester.

Though I had a cumulative GPA above the required

level.  I often felt my education was more of an

indoctrination.  Especially in the classes where

the text book was written by the professor.  I'm

not disparaging anyone who seeks of gets higher

education.  I myself went back for a degree very

late in life.  Though I sometimes feel it was just

another useless piece of paper.  I know a lot of

degreed idiots.  I'm one myself on occasion. 

But often only hindsight provided enlightenment.

For more reading on the subject I discussed.

Read this . . . Or not.  But some very POTA

like BS is going down on both sides, so . . .

 

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Home

 

In a message dated 11/20/2009 2:15:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

Lord T,

It wasn't meant to make you laugh. Apparently you insulted me again by questioning my education. Though I am not the moderator, please refrain from insulting language towards myself or anyone else posting here. If you wish to send me a personal message then fine...

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In a message dated 11/20/2009 2:15:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

Some of you may think that I am bragging but I'm actually just staing my background.

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PS, didn't read your lecture

since I'm not in your class.

I graduated, so I don't have

to sit through lectures.

 

Thanks

 

In a message dated 11/20/2009 2:15:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

 

Lord T,

It wasn't meant to make you laugh. Apparently you insulted me again by questioning my education. Though I am not the moderator, please refrain from insulting language towards myself or anyone else posting here. If you wish to send me a personal message then fine...flame away and I'll respond appropriately. Otherwise keep your rude personal comments to yourself.

With that being said, I'll tell you and everyone else the way I see things when it comes to conservatism. I'm a teacher and administrator for a school corporation so prepare for a lecture:

Though people should look at all sides of an issue, I would hope that most would have sense enough to recognize sensationalistic idiocy when they see it. This just in, Limbaugh and Beck exaggerate. They appeal to the simple-minded conservative sheep who wish to maintain the status quo because change is something that they fear due to narrow-mindedness. These same people feel the need to tune into these men so their own beliefs can be reinforced.

As a history and anthropology major in college, I was allowed to figure these things out on my own. Contrary to popular conservative belief, liberal arts professors do not indoctrinate students into liberalism. They simply give you a broad range information and allow you to think for yourself and choose your own path. Some of you may think that I am bragging but I'm actually just staing my background.

Lord T...if you need proof of my education then I can bring my transcripts to you in person...that is if you do not live too far away. We can meet for lunch and have a kindly chat about politics, the stock you put into Fixed News, and, of course, POTA. We can even blend the two and discuss the points made in Eric Greene's book. Or, as mentioned above, we can get into a heated flame war via PRIVATE messages. Your choice.

---

From: "LordTZer0@AOL. com" <LordTZer0@AOL. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:56:13 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective

 

 

Don't make me laugh.

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:30:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@ yahoo.com writes:

I was a history major with a high GPA. I know how to research. Don't insult me.

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OK I'm really getting bored with this and I think everyone else is too.  You've both had your say so it is time to end this. No more posts from either of you on this topic will be approved. If either of you want to continue this, please take it offline. Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> PS, didn't read your lecture
> since I'm not in your class.
> I graduated, so I don't have
> to sit through lectures.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/2009 2:15:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> Lord T,
>
> It wasn't meant to make you laugh. Apparently you insulted me again by
> questioning my education. Though I am not the moderator, please refrain from
> insulting language towards myself or anyone else posting here. If you wish
> to send me a personal message then fine...flame away and I'll respond
> appropriately. Otherwise keep your rude personal comments to yourself.
>
> With that being said, I'll tell you and everyone else the way I see things
> when it comes to conservatism. I'm a teacher and administrator for a
> school corporation so prepare for a lecture:
>
> Though people should look at all sides of an issue, I would hope that most
> would have sense enough to recognize sensationalistic idiocy when they see
> it. This just in, Limbaugh and Beck exaggerate. They appeal to the
> simple-minded conservative sheep who wish to maintain the status quo because
> change is something that they fear due to narrow-mindedness. These same people
> feel the need to tune into these men so their own beliefs can be reinforced.
>
> As a history and anthropology major in college, I was allowed to figure
> these things out on my own. Contrary to popular conservative belief, liberal
> arts professors do not indoctrinate students into liberalism. They simply
> give you a broad range information and allow you to think for yourself and
> choose your own path. Some of you may think that I am bragging but I'm
> actually just staing my background.
>
> Lord T...if you need proof of my education then I can bring my transcripts
> to you in person...that is if you do not live too far away. We can meet
> for lunch and have a kindly chat about politics, the stock you put into Fixed
> News, and, of course, POTA. We can even blend the two and discuss the
> points made in Eric Greene's book. Or, as mentioned above, we can get into a
> heated flame war via PRIVATE messages. Your choice.
>
>
>
> > From: "LordTZer0@AOL. "LordTZeLordTZer0@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups. po
> Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:56:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective
>
>

Well everyone's 2 cents is welcome here. Please tell us more about yourself. Where are you from? When did you become a POTA fan? What's your favorite movie? etc.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, batmouse <batmoused1st@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>  
> Looked at the PDF of Forbidden Zone Prime and from the face on the human woman, the artist could've been Pablo Marcos. Alot of his women had the same facial features . . . but then so did alot of the women drawn but Ernie Chan of Canan fame.
>  
> Just my $.02. Not that two cents is worth anything these days.
>

When you click all the way through the links on the theater's website it says that it is the 2001 remake, not the original: https://vault1.secured-url.com/pinkhamlighthouse/tickets.aspx

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/nov/20/darwin-evolution-movies
>
> http://www.thelexicinema.co.uk/
>

Give him a few for me. Roth will never be the actor or star that Heston was.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, The Soft Parade <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> if i ever met Tim Roth I would give him a major verbal lashing for what he said publicly about Heston--I thought it was disrespectful,unprofessional and just plain meanspirited and low
>

Yes Rodriguez was great. With apologies to Urko fans, I thought Aboro would have made a much better regular adversary. Urko was a bit dumb so there was never any doubt Virdon, Burke & Galen would outsmart him to get away. But Aboro was played as much more intelligent and cunning, thus he would have been a much great threat to the fugitives.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:
>
> Just loved the way Percy Rodriguez spat out the name "Daku". Stunning performance. It's a fun show but does turn into a slightly clumsy stage play in the 3rd act. Lots of cool fighting earlier on though.
>
> Mark.
>

its great to see that this forum exuberently accepts the tv series. i always ignorned it. since i was 14 i could not believe this was the same ape world as in the movies. the series takes the dumbness of battle and adds to it. its not in the same class as even the worst of the movie series, im sorry....john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes Rodriguez was great. With apologies to Urko fans, I thought Aboro
> would have made a much better regular adversary. Urko was a bit dumb so
> there was never any doubt Virdon, Burke & Galen would outsmart him to
> get away. But Aboro was played as much more intelligent and cunning,
> thus he would have been a much great threat to the fugitives.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@> wrote:
> >
> > Just loved the way Percy Rodriguez spat out the name "Daku". Stunning
> performance. It's a fun show but does turn into a slightly clumsy stage
> play in the 3rd act. Lots of cool fighting earlier on though.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
>

I wouldn't say that the TV show is dumb. It is not as pessimistic as the films and it is more family friendly but not dumb. I like the TV show but it is not what made me a POTA fan, the films did. However, there are some standout episodes that I really enjoy.

As to whether the TV show is set in the same POTA universe as the films is debatable. It could be something seperate like the Animated series or the 2001 remake. I could go either way myself. But since it takes place on the west coast rather than the east coast, where all the film except Escape take place, the TV show really does not impact the story arc of the films.

-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

>
> its great to see that this forum exuberently accepts the tv series. i always ignorned it. since i was 14 i could not believe this was the same ape world as in the movies. the series takes the dumbness of battle and adds to it. its not in the same class as even the worst of the movie series, im sorry....john m
>

Have you watched it as an adult? You might feel differently. It's not dumb at all--there are some great characterizations in it, and some great acting. It also deals with sophisticated themes, such as torture/interrogation, class/race differences, isolation and betrayal. I highly recommend checking out the TV series now--you just might like it. It fits very well with the films' mythos, and any minor inconsistencies can be accounted for by the fact that it takes place a thousand years after battle, 900 years before Planet and on the opposite coast as the first two films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> its great to see that this forum exuberently accepts the tv series. i always ignorned it. since i was 14 i could not believe this was the same ape world as in the movies. the series takes the dumbness of battle and adds to it. its not in the same class as even the worst of the movie series, im sorry....john m
>

Opposite coast from the first two and last two films. From the script treatment for Battle: "Ape City is the same primitive community which develops into the more advanced city culture Taylor discovers".

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
 It fits very well with the films' mythos, and any minor inconsistencies can be accounted for by the fact that it takes place a thousand years after battle, 900 years before Planet and on the opposite coast as the first two films.
>

I was referring to the TV serie, not Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Opposite coast from the first two and last two films. From the script
> treatment for Battle: "Ape City is the same primitive community which
> develops into the more advanced city culture Taylor discovers".
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> It fits very well with the films' mythos, and any minor inconsistencies
> can be accounted for by the fact that it takes place a thousand years
> after battle, 900 years before Planet and on the opposite coast as the
> first two films.
> >
>

i understand your point, but when i was 14/15 when the series came out
and even then i knew something just wasnt their. i guess you would call it a coolness or "Zeitgeist" of the previous movies and it was apparent to me at that age. some of the episodes arent bad but like one critic said you can substitute a nazi for the apes and the allies for the astronauts and you bassically got the jist of most of the episodes.except where science fiction comes into it. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Have you watched it as an adult? You might feel differently. It's not dumb at all--there are some great characterizations in it, and some great acting. It also deals with sophisticated themes, such as torture/interrogation, class/race differences, isolation and betrayal. I highly recommend checking out the TV series now--you just might like it. It fits very well with the films' mythos, and any minor inconsistencies can be accounted for by the fact that it takes place a thousand years after battle, 900 years before Planet and on the opposite coast as the first two films.
>
>

I know. The TV series takes place on the West Coast, Battle on the East.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I was referring to the TV serie, not Battle.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Opposite coast from the first two and last two films. From the script
> > treatment for Battle: "Ape City is the same primitive community which
> > develops into the more advanced city culture Taylor discovers".
> >

all the apes movies except escape take place on the east coast. armandos circus travels so it is easy to see how it ended up in a new york area. its the tv series and all those comic books and fables that couse a riff in that the apes travelled from west coast to east coast. the fact that conquest is filmed in l.a. does not mean it is l.a. it is basically a metro area on the east coast. the fact that conquest starts out as 'north america' 1991 meant to us ape fans back then that it was an area between canada and washington d.c.. even paul dehn sais it was the city where taylor wound up..john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I know. The TV series takes place on the West Coast, Battle on the East.
>
>

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That's why I stay with my wife...or at least ONE of the reasons.

 

Bruce

 

In a message dated 11/19/2009 6:02:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Yup.  That's what marriage is about!  Give and take...

Besides, who else would put up with my eccentricities?

Jess.

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I don't see how the TV series causes a problem. It takes place on the West Coast, so how does its existence not jibe with what we see in the films? The two things people always comment on are the existence of dogs and the fact that humans talk, but I don't see either as a problem at all. The TV series takes place smack-dab in the middle betwen Battle and Planet, and is on a different coast, so talking humans do not create a contradiction. As for the dogs, I find it unlikely that every single dog on the planet would die, including those in the wild, so I have no problem accepting that the few stragglers could have repopulated by a thousand years from now. Is there something else about the TV series that you see as not fitting with the films? I think the fit is pretty seamless, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the subject.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> all the apes movies except escape take place on the east coast. armandos circus travels so it is easy to see how it ended up in a new york area. its the tv series and all those comic books and fables that couse a riff in that the apes travelled from west coast to east coast. the fact that conquest is filmed in l.a. does not mean it is l.a. it is basically a metro area on the east coast. the fact that conquest starts out as 'north america' 1991 meant to us ape fans back then that it was an area between canada and washington d.c.. even paul dehn sais it was the city where taylor wound up..john m
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know. The TV series takes place on the West Coast, Battle on the East.
> >
> >
>

ofcourse you can make it fit but it doesnt take away the fact that the writers were lazy[what else is new] about the dogs and that it takes place on the west coast[probably for cost reasons]. and in just 900 years the humans become mute , their history of ever talking totaly gone especially since they were with the apes the previous 1000 years. humans knocking gorillas on their asses constantly. yeah in the original films it happened but it was by luck not sheer stregth. their is much more but the fact is it just doesnt sit well with the film series. i just think it belongs in its own little under 12 years old universe. a word a like to use is 'ZEITGEIST'. the apes series is not part of the films zeitgeist.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see how the TV series causes a problem. It takes place on the West Coast, so how does its existence not jibe with what we see in the films? The two things people always comment on are the existence of dogs and the fact that humans talk, but I don't see either as a problem at all. The TV series takes place smack-dab in the middle betwen Battle and Planet, and is on a different coast, so talking humans do not create a contradiction. As for the dogs, I find it unlikely that every single dog on the planet would die, including those in the wild, so I have no problem accepting that the few stragglers could have repopulated by a thousand years from now. Is there something else about the TV series that you see as not fitting with the films? I think the fit is pretty seamless, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the subject.
>
>

one other thing ,and it was a budget concern, but a new planet of apes would have growing pains like europes middle ages with in- fighting and clan b.s., territorial disputes , disaese, technology , war and such. it could of been an amzing series if they had vision instead of wanting to sell cereal and toys. a sixth movie would of been better mayby for that but still the series could of been a great place to explore this. i was their and i remember being let down immensly by the poor writing, and like i said previously, the bad guy good guy chasing each other ad nauseum. my friends felt the same way and that is the main reason it failed. nothing to capture the intellect. the makeups were old news and that wasnt going to keep anyone watching anymore. i think the american mind set was changing because next we got the star wars franchise..gulp. which is simplicity at its best. the apes film battle, the tv series and the remake of 2001 have all these simpliest things in common and that is why they all failed ultimatly... john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see how the TV series causes a problem. It takes place on the West Coast, so how does its existence not jibe with what we see in the films? The two things people always comment on are the existence of dogs and the fact that humans talk, but I don't see either as a problem at all. The TV series takes place smack-dab in the middle betwen Battle and Planet, and is on a different coast, so talking humans do not create a contradiction. As for the dogs, I find it unlikely that every single dog on the planet would die, including those in the wild, so I have no problem accepting that the few stragglers could have repopulated by a thousand years from now. Is there something else about the TV series that you see as not fitting with the films? I think the fit is pretty seamless, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the subject.
>
>

"all the apes movies except escape take place on the east coast.
armandos circus travels so it is easy to see how it ended up in a new
york area. its the tv series and all those comic books and fables that
couse a riff in that the apes travelled from west coast to east coast.
the fact that conquest is filmed in l.a. does not mean it is l.a. it is
basically a metro area on the east coast. the fact that conquest starts
out as 'north america' 1991 meant to us ape fans back then that it was
an area between canada and washington d.c.. even paul dehn sais it was
the city where taylor wound up..john m"

I don't believe CONQUEST takes place in the "New York area."
Forgetting the 1991 date at the beginning of the movie, and pretending
that it's still set in a "future" of some sort, I've always thought of
CONQUEST as taking place in a future "megalopolis" that would stretch
from just below the Washington D.C. area all the way to Boston. I
think the New York area of this megalopolis would have too many tall
buildings to be the area shown in CONQUEST (I don't see any really tall
buildings, do you?), so I've always thought of the film as taking place
closer to Washington D.C., and that would make it possible for the apes
and humans to escape to the mountains of Virginia or someplace near
when the nuclear war came, as most of New Jersey and southern New York,
Connecticut and so on would be cityscape.

Of course, others here say, "Nooooooo! Ape City is just outside New
York -- in New Jersey -- and.... Blah, Blah , Blah!" BORING!

-- Rory

"its great to see that this forum exuberently accepts the tv series. i
always ignorned it. since i was 14 i could not believe this was the
same ape world as in the movies. the series takes the dumbness of
battle and adds to it. its not in the same class as even the worst of
the movie series, im sorry....john m"


From "Planet of the Apes" TV show comments section on IMDB.com:

ill-conceived and dull, 6 August 2002
Author: haristas from USA


By the time CBS started airing this show on Friday nights in September
1974, the PLANET OF THE APES had really been milked to death. What had
been such a unique, intriguing and fun science fiction concept in 1968
when the original film starring Charlton Heston was released, had by
the fourth film sequel in 1973 been intellectually emasculated down to
barely interesting kiddie fare. Any possible allegorical or satirical
take on apes talking had been explored and there was really no place
left to go. The producer, Arthur P. Jacobs, wisely called it quits. But
then, in September 1973, the original film was shown for the first time
on network TV and had a sixty share of that night's audience. APES was
suddenly "hot" again, but the fact remained that there were already
five films. The resulting TV series ended up being a rather
ill-conceived "Fugitive" formula show that only played lip service to
the concept's allegorical possibilities by reminding its audience in
every episode of the stupidity of prejudice. This got rather trite
fast. Also, the makeup for the apes, which had been done well in the
original film, was too often applied rather slapdash here due to the
rushed nature of TV production, with the result that suspension of
disbelief for anybody over the age of ten became quit difficult if not
impossible. Series star, Roddy McDowall, veteran of four of the five
APES films, had by this time played a chimpanzee in nearly every
conceivable way and so opted primarily for whimsy with the character of
Galen here. This began to grate quickly as well. The result was that
the audience for this show was mostly kids and that demographic
couldn't attract the kind of sponsor dollars the network needed, so the
show died a merciful death after only fourteen episodes. Any fans of
the show now are those kids that loved it then and are on a nostalgia
trip. I saw the original film in 1968 when I was eight years old. It
was instantly my favorite movie and remains so today, but this TV
series should never have been made.

Sorry to all lovers of the show, but that's how I really feel about it.

-- Rory

we really said the same thing except i emphasised n.y. but we both are talking about the same area. anyway we agree. mew blood was needed.john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "all the apes movies except escape take place on the east coast.
> armandos circus travels so it is easy to see how it ended up in a new
> york area. its the tv series and all those comic books and fables that
> couse a riff in that the apes travelled from west coast to east coast.
> the fact that conquest is filmed in l.a. does not mean it is l.a. it is
> basically a metro area on the east coast. the fact that conquest starts
> out as 'north america' 1991 meant to us ape fans back then that it was
> an area between canada and washington d.c.. even paul dehn sais it was
> the city where taylor wound up..john m"
>
> I don't believe CONQUEST takes place in the "New York area."
> Forgetting the 1991 date at the beginning of the movie, and pretending
> that it's still set in a "future" of some sort, I've always thought of
> CONQUEST as taking place in a future "megalopolis" that would stretch
> from just below the Washington D.C. area all the way to Boston. I
> think the New York area of this megalopolis would have too many tall
> buildings to be the area shown in CONQUEST (I don't see any really tall
> buildings, do you?), so I've always thought of the film as taking place
> closer to Washington D.C., and that would make it possible for the apes
> and humans to escape to the mountains of Virginia or someplace near
> when the nuclear war came, as most of New Jersey and southern New York,
> Connecticut and so on would be cityscape.
>
> Of course, others here say, "Nooooooo! Ape City is just outside New
> York -- in New Jersey -- and.... Blah, Blah , Blah!" BORING!
>
> -- Rory
>

i always say new york area. not new york city. you do seem to agree in your reply though...john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "all the apes movies except escape take place on the east coast.
> armandos circus travels so it is easy to see how it ended up in a new
> york area. its the tv series and all those comic books and fables that
> couse a riff in that the apes travelled from west coast to east coast.
> the fact that conquest is filmed in l.a. does not mean it is l.a. it is
> basically a metro area on the east coast. the fact that conquest starts
> out as 'north america' 1991 meant to us ape fans back then that it was
> an area between canada and washington d.c.. even paul dehn sais it was
> the city where taylor wound up..john m"
>
> I don't believe CONQUEST takes place in the "New York area."
> Forgetting the 1991 date at the beginning of the movie, and pretending
> that it's still set in a "future" of some sort, I've always thought of
> CONQUEST as taking place in a future "megalopolis" that would stretch
> from just below the Washington D.C. area all the way to Boston. I
> think the New York area of this megalopolis would have too many tall
> buildings to be the area shown in CONQUEST (I don't see any really tall
> buildings, do you?), so I've always thought of the film as taking place
> closer to Washington D.C., and that would make it possible for the apes
> and humans to escape to the mountains of Virginia or someplace near
> when the nuclear war came, as most of New Jersey and southern New York,
> Connecticut and so on would be cityscape.
>
> Of course, others here say, "Nooooooo! Ape City is just outside New
> York -- in New Jersey -- and.... Blah, Blah , Blah!" BORING!
>
> -- Rory
>

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--"JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

> ofcourse you can make it fit but it doesnt take away
>the fact that the writers were lazy[what else is new]
>about the dogs

I don't see how the existence of a dog was lazy. To me, it makes more sense that there WOULD be dogs again 2,000 years after the plague--the idea that every dog died is, to me, more difficult to swallow than the notion that they'd repopulate over the course of two millennia.

>and that it takes place on the west coast[probably for
>cost reasons].

That, to me, is one of the better ideas they came up with--it allowed them to approach the story without having to be slaves to the films.

>and in just 900 years the humans become mute , their
>history of ever talking totaly gone especially since
>they were with the apes the previous 1000 years.

We have no idea if humanity on both coasts went mute. It could have been an East Coast thing. Those in Ape City were very insular--it's very doubtful they did much traveling beyond the Forbidden Zone and explored the West Coast--and even if they wanted to, they had horses and carts, so it would have taken just as long as it took the American frontiersmen.

Plus, keep in mind--apes learned to speak in only two decades, which is FAR less believable than the idea of a plague or some other cause making humans mute in 1,000 years. (And really, is 1,000 years really that much less believable than 2,000 years? Both, evolutionarily, are VERY small amounts of time.)

In fact, I'd say the films have a lot bigger continuity issues than the TV series does. The 3978/3955 issue...Aldo changing from a chimp to a gorilla...Aldo not being the first ape to say no...the rebellion happening centuries earlier than Cornelius had said it did...the Lawgiver statue looking nothing like Caesar (who taught them the "ape shall not kill ape" rule attributed to the Lawgiver in Beneath)...Mandemus being in the armory for 27 years despite it apparently not being 27 years after Conquest...and so forth.

Now, all of these things can be easily explained away, and that's great--but they're no less contradictory than the existence of a dog in the TV series. In fact, I'd argue that it can be fixed much more easily. The TV series, ultimately, fits with the films a lot better than they fit with themselves.

>humans knocking gorillas on their asses constantly.

There is that, I agree--the apes shouldn't have been as easily beaten in the TV series. I guess it was a necessity in order to keep the main characters alive. :)

>the apes series is not part of the films zeitgeist.

I certainly respect your view on this, but for me, it's all the same universe.

it was 900 years later and their was a dog not 2000 years.the tv show was in 308something and the original movie was 3978. that would also mean that dogs became extinct again by the original movies time. i just never liked the tv series i guess and never made an effort to include it in the original film series. to many variables. I, for theatrical reasons dont believe their were multiple civilazations.Planet of the Apes is the original and everything leading up to it in the sequels should be retained and not changed for expediancy. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> --"JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
> > ofcourse you can make it fit but it doesnt take away
> >the fact that the writers were lazy[what else is new]
> >about the dogs
>
> I don't see how the existence of a dog was lazy. To me, it makes more sense that there WOULD be dogs again 2,000 years after the plague--the idea that every dog died is, to me, more difficult to swallow than the notion that they'd repopulate over the course of two millennia.
>
> >and that it takes place on the west coast[probably for
> >cost reasons].
>
> That, to me, is one of the better ideas they came up with--it allowed them to approach the story without having to be slaves to the films.
>
> >and in just 900 years the humans become mute , their
> >history of ever talking totaly gone especially since
> >they were with the apes the previous 1000 years.
>
> We have no idea if humanity on both coasts went mute. It could have been an East Coast thing. Those in Ape City were very insular--it's very doubtful they did much traveling beyond the Forbidden Zone and explored the West Coast--and even if they wanted to, they had horses and carts, so it would have taken just as long as it took the American frontiersmen.
>
> Plus, keep in mind--apes learned to speak in only two decades, which is FAR less believable than the idea of a plague or some other cause making humans mute in 1,000 years. (And really, is 1,000 years really that much less believable than 2,000 years? Both, evolutionarily, are VERY small amounts of time.)
>
> In fact, I'd say the films have a lot bigger continuity issues than the TV series does. The 3978/3955 issue...Aldo changing from a chimp to a gorilla...Aldo not being the first ape to say no...the rebellion happening centuries earlier than Cornelius had said it did...the Lawgiver statue looking nothing like Caesar (who taught them the "ape shall not kill ape" rule attributed to the Lawgiver in Beneath)...Mandemus being in the armory for 27 years despite it apparently not being 27 years after Conquest...and so forth.
>
> Now, all of these things can be easily explained away, and that's great--but they're no less contradictory than the existence of a dog in the TV series. In fact, I'd argue that it can be fixed much more easily. The TV series, ultimately, fits with the films a lot better than they fit with themselves.
>
> >humans knocking gorillas on their asses constantly.
>
> There is that, I agree--the apes shouldn't have been as easily beaten in the TV series. I guess it was a necessity in order to keep the main characters alive. :)
>
> >the apes series is not part of the films zeitgeist.
>
> I certainly respect your view on this, but for me, it's all the same universe.
>

>Posted by: "JohnM conquest-idor" johnmermigas@... johnmermigas
>it was 900 years later and their was a dog not 2000 years.

I know. I mistyped that, as my wife was standing over me, waiting to
use the computer.

>the tv show was in 308something and the original movie was 3978.

I feel pretty confident in stating that I'm very familiar with the
Planet of the Apes timeline. <grin to those who know me>

>that would also mean that dogs became extinct again by the original
>movies time.

It's never been stated that dogs were extinct at the time of the
original film. In any case, it's on the opposite coast, so the same
rules might not apply.

>i just never liked the tv series i guess and never made an effort to
>include it in the original film series. to many variables.

That's cool. We'll just have to disagree on this one. I think it
was a lot of fun.

>I, for theatrical reasons dont believe their were multiple
>civilazations.Planet of the Apes is the original and everything
>leading up to it in the sequels should be retained and not changed
>for expediancy. john m

I don't buy the idea that there were no other ape civilizations. Ape
City had a trained military, including cannons. Hence, I'd argue
that there HAD to be other civilizations, and that they occasionally
posed a threat to Ape City. Otherwise, why bother having a
military? They certainly weren't hunting humans with the cannons.

I thought that Battle was on the east coast, Conquest was on the west coast because the megalopolis could have been LA, SD cities merge to be come a city state

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:00 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: cannot accept the t.v.series

 

i always say new york area. not new york city. you do seem to agree in your reply though...john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "all the apes movies except escape take place on the east coast.
> armandos circus travels so it is easy to see how it ended up in a new
> york area. its the tv series and all those comic books and fables that
> couse a riff in that the apes travelled from west coast to east coast.
> the fact that conquest is filmed in l.a. does not mean it is l.a. it is
> basically a metro area on the east coast. the fact that conquest starts
> out as 'north america' 1991 meant to us ape fans back then that it was
> an area between canada and washington d.c.. even paul dehn sais it was
> the city where taylor wound up..john m"
>
> I don't believe CONQUEST takes place in the "New York area."
> Forgetting the 1991 date at the beginning of the movie, and pretending
> that it's still set in a "future" of some sort, I've always thought of
> CONQUEST as taking place in a future "megalopolis" that would stretch
> from just below the Washington D.C. area all the way to Boston. I
> think the New York area of this megalopolis would have too many tall
> buildings to be the area shown in CONQUEST (I don't see any really tall
> buildings, do you?), so I've always thought of the film as taking place
> closer to Washington D.C., and that would make it possible for the apes
> and humans to escape to the mountains of Virginia or someplace near
> when the nuclear war came, as most of New Jersey and southern New York,
> Connecticut and so on would be cityscape.
>
> Of course, others here say, "Nooooooo! Ape City is just outside New
> York -- in New Jersey -- and.... Blah, Blah , Blah!" BORING!
>
> -- Rory
>

dogs were mentioned again to be extinct in escape by conelius...johnm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> >Posted by: "JohnM conquest-idor" johnmermigas@... johnmermigas
> >it was 900 years later and their was a dog not 2000 years.
>
> I know. I mistyped that, as my wife was standing over me, waiting to
> use the computer.
>
> >the tv show was in 308something and the original movie was 3978.
>
> I feel pretty confident in stating that I'm very familiar with the
> Planet of the Apes timeline. <grin to those who know me>
>
> >that would also mean that dogs became extinct again by the original
> >movies time.
>
> It's never been stated that dogs were extinct at the time of the
> original film. In any case, it's on the opposite coast, so the same
> rules might not apply.
>
> >i just never liked the tv series i guess and never made an effort to
> >include it in the original film series. to many variables.
>
> That's cool. We'll just have to disagree on this one. I think it
> was a lot of fun.
>
> >I, for theatrical reasons dont believe their were multiple
> >civilazations.Planet of the Apes is the original and everything
> >leading up to it in the sequels should be retained and not changed
> >for expediancy. john m
>
> I don't buy the idea that there were no other ape civilizations. Ape
> City had a trained military, including cannons. Hence, I'd argue
> that there HAD to be other civilizations, and that they occasionally
> posed a threat to Ape City. Otherwise, why bother having a
> military? They certainly weren't hunting humans with the cannons.
>

>Posted by: "JohnM conquest-idor" johnmermigas@... johnmermigas
>dogs were mentioned again to be extinct in escape by conelius...johnm

As it happens, by weird coincidence, I just watched the film
yesterday as research for my second book, and he never says dogs went
extinct. What he actually says is that a plague "fell upon dogs,"
and that "hundreds of thousands of them died, and hundreds and
thousands of them had to be destroyed to prevent the spread of
infection." He then goes on to note that thanks to dog bonfires,
"the plague was contained." In other words, Cornelius never says
dogs were extinct--in fact, he seems to imply just the opposite: that
the plague was stemmed before that happened, by killing off the
thousands that were affected. The loss of so many dogs ["and cats,"
as Zira pipes in] left mankind without pets, which is why he turned to apes.

well we are getting into semantics. cornelius said"man was without pets". i assume as the whole audiance that meant all the cats and dogs were gone. paul dehns screenplay made that clear also. but interpret it as you like. this is the whole jist of the apes rise and i feel it was all or nothing as opposed to their [dogs and cats] demise. john m.P.S. love your enthusiasm.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> >Posted by: "JohnM conquest-idor" johnmermigas@... johnmermigas
> >dogs were mentioned again to be extinct in escape by conelius...johnm
>
> As it happens, by weird coincidence, I just watched the film
> yesterday as research for my second book, and he never says dogs went
> extinct. What he actually says is that a plague "fell upon dogs,"
> and that "hundreds of thousands of them died, and hundreds and
> thousands of them had to be destroyed to prevent the spread of
> infection." He then goes on to note that thanks to dog bonfires,
> "the plague was contained." In other words, Cornelius never says
> dogs were extinct--in fact, he seems to imply just the opposite: that
> the plague was stemmed before that happened, by killing off the
> thousands that were affected. The loss of so many dogs ["and cats,"
> as Zira pipes in] left mankind without pets, which is why he turned to apes.
>

--"JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

> well we are getting into semantics.

That's our specialty around here. :)

>love your enthusiasm.

Likewise!

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I think it can go either way. The TV series can be in the same universe as the films exactly for the reasons that Rich points out. However, there are some discrepancies versus what is established in the films so it could be a seperate universe. I think it up to everyone's personal preference.

As to the dog in the series, more likely than a few dogs surviving the plague; a new species of domesticated dogs could have been bred from wild animals over the centuries.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see how the TV series causes a problem. It takes place on the West Coast, so how does its existence not jibe with what we see in the films? The two things people always comment on are the existence of dogs and the fact that humans talk, but I don't see either as a problem at all. The TV series takes place smack-dab in the middle betwen Battle and Planet, and is on a different coast, so talking humans do not create a contradiction. As for the dogs, I find it unlikely that every single dog on the planet would die, including those in the wild, so I have no problem accepting that the few stragglers could have repopulated by a thousand years from now. Is there something else about the TV series that you see as not fitting with the films? I think the fit is pretty seamless, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the subject.
>
>

The TV series doesn't fit perfectly but neither do all the films. You're right the writers were a bit sloppy with the dog.

As far as humans getting dumber, none in the series seem that bright vs the humans in Battle so the series could be a mid-point to mankind's ultimate slide to becoming mute animals.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> ofcourse you can make it fit but it doesnt take away the fact that the writers were lazy[what else is new] about the dogs and that it takes place on the west coast[probably for cost reasons]. and in just 900 years the humans become mute , their history of ever talking totaly gone especially since they were with the apes the previous 1000 years. humans knocking gorillas on their asses constantly. yeah in the original films it happened but it was by luck not sheer stregth. their is much more but the fact is it just doesnt sit well with the film series. i just think it belongs in its own little under 12 years old universe. a word a like to use is 'ZEITGEIST'. the apes series is not part of the films zeitgeist.
>

It may have not been for expediancy there could have been legal and money reasons. If they used concepts that had been created in the films, they may have had to pay Serling, Wilson and Dehn for them.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> it was 900 years later and their was a dog not 2000 years.the tv show was in 308something and the original movie was 3978. that would also mean that dogs became extinct again by the original movies time. i just never liked the tv series i guess and never made an effort to include it in the original film series. to many variables. I, for theatrical reasons dont believe their were multiple civilazations.Planet of the Apes is the original and everything leading up to it in the sequels should be retained and not changed for expediancy. john m
>

If Battle was on the East Coast then Conquest had to be on the East Coast too. Since the 'Forbidden City' in Battle is the same city in Conquest; no way Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald could have walked from the East to the West Coast in 3 days.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
>
> I thought that Battle was on the east coast, Conquest was on the west coast because the megalopolis could have been LA, SD cities merge to be come a city state
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
>
> I don't see how the existence of a dog was lazy. To me, it makes more sense that there WOULD be dogs again 2,000 years after the plague--the idea that every dog died is, to me, more difficult to swallow than the notion that they'd repopulate over the course of two millennia.
>

Well is was lazy or sloppy on the part of the writers. They should have paid more attention to what had been established in the films.

Why is it so hard to shallow that dogs became extinct? Hundreds of species go extinct every year. And a new species of dogs could be created by cross breeding certain species of wolves. It would take several generations but that is how we got dogs in the first place.

>
> That, to me, is one of the better ideas they came up with--it allowed them to approach the story without having to be slaves to the films.
>

And wouldn't the easiest way not to be slaves to the films is have the TV series take place in a totally seperate universe?

>
> We have no idea if humanity on both coasts went mute. It could have been an East Coast thing. Those in Ape City were very insular--it's very doubtful they did much traveling beyond the Forbidden Zone and explored the West Coast--and even if they wanted to, they had horses and carts, so it would have taken just as long as it took the American frontiersmen.

True it could have been an East Coast thing but I don't think those in Ape City were insular. Cornelius' may is only of the small area around Ape City. We don't know what was north, south and west of that map. And since the Apes in Central City are wearing the similar clothing, have a similar class structure, similar culture and even similar architecture as Ape City it is likely that Central City is an offshoot of Ape City.

> 
> In fact, I'd say the films have a lot bigger continuity issues than the TV series does. The 3978/3955 issue...

True it was sloppy when they got the date wrong in Beneath. What's interesting that in an early version of Beneath's screenplay the date was 3975, not 3955. It would be interesting to know why they changed it. And of course Taylor's line in the first film about it being 2,000 years later 'give or take a decade' gives them an out.

Aldo changing from a chimp to a gorilla...

Well he really didn't change. It's just a different character with the same name, like Dr. Galen in the movie and Galen in the TV series. Or the two Zaius characters. (Is the plural of Zaius Zaii?

Aldo not being the first ape to say no...the rebellion happening centuries earlier than Cornelius had said it did

Well you really can't hold them to that since the audience never sees the events described on screen nor did the character who related these events witness them himself. And since source for Cornelius and Zira was presumably a secret section of the Sacred Scrolls which were written 1,200 years earlier by the Lawgiver, the Lawgiver didn't witness the events either.

...the Lawgiver statue looking nothing like Caesar (who taught them the "ape shall not kill ape" rule attributed to the Lawgiver in Beneath)

Why should the Lawgiver statue look like Caesar, he wasn't the Lawgiver. You could say that it looks nothing like the Lawgiver seen in Battle.

...Mandemus being in the armory for 27 years despite it apparently not being 27 years after Conquest...and so forth.

>

How is it not apparently not 27 years after Conquest? There is nothing in the film that disputes that. Mendez does say there has been 12 years of peace but that doesn't preclude 15 years of war proceeding that. And since Caesar was only 18 years old in Conquest, he'd only be 45 years old in Battle. Plus Virgil's line that Mandemus was his teacher when he was a boy reinforces that many more than 12 years have passed since Conquest.

> Now, all of these things can be easily explained away, and that's great--but they're no less contradictory than the existence of a dog in the TV series. In fact, I'd argue that it can be fixed much more easily. The TV series, ultimately, fits with the films a lot better than they fit with themselves.
>

I don't know if that is completely accurate. There are a lot of discrepanies in the show even within the series itself.

 

Agreed. There is too much semantical minutia used to justify one's personal pet theory.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> well we are getting into semantics. cornelius said"man was without pets". i assume as the whole audiance that meant all the cats and dogs were gone. paul dehns screenplay made that clear also. but interpret it as you like. this is the whole jist of the apes rise and i feel it was all or nothing as opposed to their [dogs and cats] demise. john m.P.S. love your enthusiasm.
>

or maybe that the dogs might have built up an immunity to the plague, that maybe that there were several plagues that the earth went through.

-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 11:18 am
Subject: [pota] Re: cannot accept the t.v.series

 

I think it can go either way. The TV series can be in the same universe as the films exactly for the reasons that Rich points out. However, there are some discrepancies versus what is established in the films so it could be a seperate universe. I think it up to everyone's personal preference.

As to the dog in the series, more likely than a few dogs surviving the plague; a new species of domesticated dogs could have been bred from wild animals over the centuries.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see how the TV series causes a problem. It takes place on the West Coast, so how does its existence not jibe with what we see in the films? The two things people always comment on are the existence of dogs and the fact that humans talk, but I don't see either as a problem at all. The TV series takes place smack-dab in the middle betwen Battle and Planet, and is on a different coast, so talking humans do not create a contradiction. As for the dogs, I find it unlikely that every single dog on the planet would die, including those in the wild, so I have no problem accepting that the few stragglers could have repopulated by a thousand years from now. Is there something else about the TV series that you see as not fitting with the films? I think the fit is pretty seamless, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the subject.
>
>

ask a dodo bird!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Why is it so hard to shallow that dogs became extinct? Hundreds of
> species go extinct every year. And a new species of dogs could be
> created by cross breeding certain species of wolves. It would take
> several generations but that is how we got dogs in the first place.
>

Heard this everyone? Apparently Jerry did it straight off of APES.

Mad.

Mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZAsIQjBo8

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 <sparkytb@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: [pota] Jerry Goldsmith

LOL--yeah, I've always wondered why the heck apes were the next choice after cats and dogs. Really? Not rabbits? Or ferrets? Or potbelly pigs? Or lizards? GORILLAS, CHIMPS AND ORANGUTANS? What the HELL were we thinking--especially after Zira and Cornelius were highly publicized as being threats to humanity?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> The loss of so many dogs ["and cats," as Zira pipes in] left mankind without pets, which is why he turned to apes.
>
> ?
> I'd like to see Oprah tell that to the lady that got her face chewed off.? Apes as pets?? Works for me!
> ?
> If Boulle were still around, I think he might well want to rethink that concept.
> ?
> -- Rory
>

apparently the plague made them more docile and intelligent. then man thought threw selective breeding they van make a race of uber-apes than can do menial tasks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> LOL--yeah, I've always wondered why the heck apes were the next choice after cats and dogs. Really? Not rabbits? Or ferrets? Or potbelly pigs? Or lizards? GORILLAS, CHIMPS AND ORANGUTANS? What the HELL were we thinking--especially after Zira and Cornelius were highly publicized as being threats to humanity?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > The loss of so many dogs ["and cats," as Zira pipes in] left mankind without pets, which is why he turned to apes.
> >
> > ?
> > I'd like to see Oprah tell that to the lady that got her face chewed off.? Apes as pets?? Works for me!
> > ?
> > If Boulle were still around, I think he might well want to rethink that concept.
> > ?
> > -- Rory
> >
>

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>>Well now, you know what? I'll bet that if I told you guys that I

had
video recordings of those original 4:30 movie broadcasts -- including
the commercials -- and could put them on DVD and give them free to
anyone who simply emailed me privately... .. <<

>>True, but in the 70s and early 80s for most the only way to see

the
theatrical films was on the 4:30 movie (or something similar in markets
other than New York). But now would I rather see those cut up 4:30 movie
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>>Not true. I enjoyed all the sequels -- WHEN I WAS A KID! (Well,

BENEATH has always bummed me out.) Believe it or not, I actually
thought BATTLE was good the first time I saw it.

What happened after that is a few years followed, both I and the movies
got older, and I began to realize that the sequels weren't as good as
my younger self thought, in fact, in many respects the sequels got
sillier with age. I began to notice that others shared this opinion,
and what was worse was that they started having this same opinion of
the ORIGINAL, which, I believe was because the general public can't
tell one APES film from another. The reputation of the CLASSIC
ORIGINAL was being pulled down by the lesser quality of the sequels.
That's when I went ape. At one point in the early nineties, completely
disgusted with how badly PLANET had been treated -- no, disrespected!
-- by Fox Home Video (CBS/Fox whatever!), I actually called for the
destruction of the sequels. (Can't say I really meant it, but I was so
mad about the situation it's a good thing I didn't have the power to do
it, and, thankfully, the situation with Fox started to turn around in
the late nineties.) <<

>>As for the TV movies... if you destroy them no one is missing out

on
anything. They're the TV series in an edited form. Why would you want
to watch the TV movies when you can watch them in their ORIGINAL
form?!!!!! Sorry, but I just don't get it. <<

>>This is shaping up to being one of the silliest arguments I've ever

had
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>>Both and even as far back as the Super Bowl weekend marathon that

FMC
had a few years ago. <<

>>This past Halloween weekend, or last Thanksgiving? Or both?

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>>No of course not. There were no where enough episodes for

syndication.
But the POTA theatrical films were doing very well when they were aired
on local stations. So to milk more money out of the franchise FOX
created the TV-movies out of the TV series and sold them to the local
stations as "5 new Planet of the Apes movies". <<

>>I'm curious as to what got the TV movies made. I don't think that-

six
years after the show had been cancelled- anyone was thinking about
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: [pota] I can accept the TV series

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Zaius was his name. His title was Chief Counselor.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...> wrote:
>
> The TV series always held my attention the most even though the writing suffered a bit. I really like the three main characters and their comradarie. Roughly half of the series (Escape FT, Good seeds, The Trap, The Gladiators, The Deception, The legacy, The Interrogation, & The surgeon) episodes make the TV show very nostalgic to me, while the other episodes really did not hold my attention as well. I still enjoyed the entire series, but some episodes are held in a higher esteem for me. I also enjoyed the idea of Zaius being a title (like president or world leader of the council) and not the name of one specific individual.
>  
> Thanks,
> Chris Sutton
>

I never said it wasn't a common practice to cut TV movies from short lived TV series. And while FOX may not have tried to hide what the source material was, they still sold the TV movie package as five new POTA movies to stations that had gotten high ratings airing the five theatrical films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Well, regardless of why they did it, that gave me (and many others) the
> opportunity to see those episodes again after for the first time since
> December 1974. I have no problem with that, and can't imagine anyone
> would have rather not seen them again before the Sci-Fi Channel started
> airing them back in the early 90's. Plus I've seen the press material for
> the TV movies, and Fox made no bones about the source material. Anyone in
> the purchasing department of a TV station knew how the movies were made,
> and in fact that was a pretty common thing back in the 70's. I mean, they
> even did it with two episodes of 'The Gemini Man', 10 episodes of 'The
> Starlost' (also turned into 5 TV movies). Plus certain TV series took
> episodes, put them together, and released them theatrically. Both The
> Green Hornet and Mission: Impossible come to mind.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>

Yes but to the bumpers, not to the movies themselves.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Which proves my point about nostalgia. Look at how quickly people here
> responded.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

At least the three times I mentioned. All of which are since I've had FMC as a cable channel; so they might have done it a few times before then.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I wasn't even aware there was a third marathon on FMC. I'm curious now
> how many times they've done that.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

The problem with the Aged Galen footage is that it is not something FOX packaged with the TV movies to sell them to local stations. The Aged Galen footage was produced for ABC stations exclusively. Thus, FOX may or may not have the footage in their vaults.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting info Scott, thanks.
>
> I'll say this much: if there were ever a Blu-ray edition of the TV series
> and Fox included an option to watch either the individual episodes or the
> TV Movies with the aged Galen footage, they'd sell a lot more than if it
> were a standard bare bones reissues of the DVD set that came out in 2006.
>
>
> Chris L.
>

Who says they didn't. Maybe humans turned to a wide variety of animals as pets, including Apes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> My theory is that man would have turned to something else long before he made pets of apes.
> ?
> Planet of the Ferrets -- Beyond your wildest dreams!
> ?
> -- Rory
>

Yeah, like no dog ever chewed off someone's face!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> ?
> I'd like to see Oprah tell that to the lady that got her face chewed off.? Apes as pets?? Works for me!
> ?
> If Boulle were still around, I think he might well want to rethink that concept.
> ?
> -- Rory
>

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Exactly. And who knows what the effect of nuclear radiation had on them genetically.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> apparently the plague made them more docile and intelligent. then man thought threw selective breeding they van make a race of uber-apes than can do menial tasks.
>

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In a message dated 11/23/2009 8:38:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

"stating"... ..there are you happy?

*See lyrics in the link . . .Ren And Stimpy - Happy Happy Joy Joy Lyrics

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It's pointless to argue this Global Warming stuff here. Really, who
cares? I believe it's happening and that it will bring about climate
change in different areas of the planet, and might lead to wars over
food and water, BUT niether I nor most of you here will be alive during
the times in the future that it will most affect. So, in the meantime
this is just conversational masturbation, so why don't we just knock it
off and stop being jerkoffs?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 3:45 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Tim Burton retrospective



Wasn't questioning your education so much as
education in general. I question my education
as well. I have a degree as well. In fact I would
have graduated with honors if I hadn't gone for a
minor in Japanese. That was a bit ambitious of
me, and an F in advanced Japanese dragged my
GPA below the level for honors in the final semester.
Though I had a cumulative GPA above the required
level. I often felt my education was more of an
indoctrination. Especially in the classes where
the text book was written by the professor. I'm
not disparaging anyone who seeks of gets higher
education. I myself went back for a degree very
late in life. Though I sometimes feel it was just
another useless piece of paper. I know a lot of
degreed idiots. I'm one myself on occasion.
But often only hindsight provided enlightenment.
For more reading on the subject I discussed.
Read this . . . Or not. But some very POTA
like BS is going down on both sides, so . . .

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Home

In a message dated 11/20/2009 2:15:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:
Lord T,

It wasn't meant to make you laugh. Apparently you insulted me again
by questioning my education. Though I am not the moderator, please
refrain from insulting language towards myself or anyone else posting
here. If you wish to send me a personal message then fine...

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not to play devils advocate but some of us have children and great grandchildren. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I agree. Every video game has it's conclusion. So why bother fight it? Just enjoy the ride. :o)
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
>

Well, except...that wasn't the case. :)

In the TV series, as in the movies, Zaius was a name, not a title.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...> wrote:
>I also enjoyed the idea of Zaius being a title (like president or world leader of the council) and not the name of one specific individual.

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Agreed.  Neither side

is going to convince the

other of anything, no matter

the evidence.  It's an exercise

in futility.  Save your energy.

Pun was definitely intended.

 

 

In a message dated 11/23/2009 3:14:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

so why don't we just knock it
off and stop being jerkoffs?

-- Rory

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I'm more inclined to believe that

the next plane of existence is

exactly like this one.  And that

any reward or punishment is

rolled into one.  This existence

is the Punishment/Reward for the

last and so on.  Certainly explains

that nasty little thing about bad things

happening to good people.  Doesn't it?

 

 

In a message dated 11/24/2009 12:38:52 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I don't understand those that believe in heaven and that you go there to be with the souls of other people FOREVER!!!!!

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Just curious as to if anyone has seen or made any DVD covers for 'Back To The Planet...' or any of the other ones that were edited together from the TV series ? I know that they have been released as the Complete TV Series but it would be kind of neat to have those additional 'packaged-movies' sitting alongside the real POTA movies :)

my family agrees!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> not to play devils advocate but some of us have children and great grandchildren. john m
>
>
>
>
> I was actually thinking about that the other day.? I don't have kids, don't want kids, and unless something miraculous happens, I doubt I really have to worry about ever having a kid (just make sure none of my little tadpoles get where they shouldn't), also I'm fifty now and would I really want to have a teenager to deal with in my sixties or seventies -- NOOOOOOOO!? I also don't believe there's an afterlife, nor that I even have a soul, so one of the great things I'm looking forward to in death is AN ESCAPE FROM THE HUMAN RACE!!!!!? I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sick and tired of humanity.? I don't understand those that believe in heaven and that you go there to be with the souls of other people FOREVER!!!!!? Please, must I FOREVER be this damn hairless ape creature?? And I'm not just talking about the body, I'm talking about the monkey minds we all have.? Enough is enough already, and I started feeling this way back in my early forties -- AND SO.... I couldn't care less what happens to humanity once I'm gone.? Let the planet become an overcrowded, steaming pile of crap --?AFTER I'M DEAD.? I couldn't care less -- I'LL BE DEAD!!!!!
> ?
> -- Rory
>

Starlog had an article re the packaging of the Tele films. I don't remember the issue, I have it put away somewhere, but I thought it said it was a NY tv station that did the Galen footage. I believe it also gives the year...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> The problem with the Aged Galen footage is that it is not something FOX packaged with the TV movies to sell them to local stations. The Aged Galen footage was produced for ABC stations exclusively. Thus, FOX may or may not have the footage in their vaults.
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
> I think it's a pretty sure bet Fox doesn't have those "Aged Galen" things, and I'll further bet you that the LA TV station that created them probably erased over the original video recordings long ago (When were they recorded exactly?? Anyone know?).? For me, who cares?? Roddy McDowall looked awful in that cheap knock off makeup, his mouth didn't even close properly.? Embarrassing!
> ?
> -- Rory
> ?
> ?
> ?
> ?
>

All five are available on this site, packaged with DVD covers created to emulate the DVD boxset of the TV series:

http://www.kingego.com/shop/?shop=1&cat=30

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "crossingtroy" <crossingtroy@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious as to if anyone has seen or made any DVD covers for 'Back To The Planet...' or any of the other ones that were edited together from the TV series ? I know that they have been released as the Complete TV Series but it would be kind of neat to have those additional 'packaged-movies' sitting alongside the real POTA movies :)
>

Is this the one?

https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/starlog.html"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Starlog had an article re the packaging of the Tele films. I don't remember the issue, I have it put away somewhere, but I thought it said it was a NY tv station that did the Galen footage. I believe it also gives the year...
>

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You may want to check Hunter's site (https://pota.goatley.com/) or Kass' site (https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/) but I don't think anyone has done wraps for the TV movies. They've never been officially released on DVD or VHS and since the TV series has been released in its orginal form, there is little interest in edited versions.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "crossingtroy" <crossingtroy@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious as to if anyone has seen or made any DVD covers for 'Back To The Planet...' or any of the other ones that were edited together from the TV series ? I know that they have been released as the Complete TV Series but it would be kind of neat to have those additional 'packaged-movies' sitting alongside the real POTA movies :)
>

If you read the article it says the Aged Galen footage was produced for ABC stations. And that the NY ABC station had to cut the third film out to fit their 90 minute time slot.

The same thing would happen with the theatrical films on WABC in New York. Because 'The 4:30 Movie' was only 90 minutes they would air Planet in 2 parts on Monday and Tuesday. Then they would air Beneath, Escape and Conquest on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. If there was an 'After School Special' on Wednesday; Beneath would air Thursday and then Escape or Conquest would air on Friday. Battle usually aired during a generic Sci-Fi week.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Starlog had an article re the packaging of the Tele films. I don't remember the issue, I have it put away somewhere, but I thought it said it was a NY tv station that did the Galen footage. I believe it also gives the year...
>

-----Original Message-----
From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 8:37 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Has Anyone Seen or Made DVD Covers For The Packaged-Together POTA TV Shows ?