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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Barkley" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> IT'S A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Jeff B

LOL! Yes but it is a movie we love and obsess over.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Barkley" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> IT'S A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Jeff B

Just to let everyone know, I've been informed that in the episode 'The Legacy' Burke says to Galen, "When you joined this outfit, you got stuck obeying orders from Colonel Alan Virdon." And in the episode 'The Interrogation', Burke gives his rank as Major. So I stand corrected on this.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Same is true of the TV series characters. On several TV series sites
> they are referred to as Colonel Alan Virdon and Major Peter Burke. Now I
> could be wrong but I don't recall either ever being referred to or
> called by these ranks in any episode of the TV series. (And if I'm wrong
> about this, please let me know.) In the series guide and all promo
> materials issued at the time, they are both referred to as simply
> Astronauts Virdon & Burke, never by any military rank.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
> Just a few quick points:
>
> * Burke's rank of major was given in the script to "The Interrogation."
>
> * Virdon's Burke was given in Rod Serling's TV pilot script.

Virdon's Burke??? Are you trying to make some point about gays in the military? ;-)

>
> * Obi-Wan Kenobi was called "General Kenobi" in the very first Star Wars film, and has since been called that quite frequently by the clones. :)
>

Hey Newark is very nice in the springtime, provided the wind is blowing in the right direction. ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Zaius says the forbidden zone was once a paridise. I doubt he was talking about Newark NJ..

> that story is the character going from being a man who hates war and
> laughs at the American flag (which no military officer would ever do) to
>

>Posted by: "jamesa1102" JamesA1102@... jamesa1102
>Virdon's Burke??? Are you trying to make some point about gays in the
>military? ;-)

> I think he was just laughing at the gesture of putting a flag a
> million miles away where no one will ever find it

I don't disagree but even that act would be considered disrespectful by a military officer.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > I think he was just laughing at the gesture of putting a flag a
> > million miles away where no one will ever find it
>
> That's how I always interpreted that scene, too. It wasn't that he
> was laughing at the flag, he was laughing at the ludicrousness of
> Landon planting the flag.
>
> Hunter
>

Yes he's the Mission Commander, like Neil Armstrong was on Apollo 11, which is why they call him 'Skipper'.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> There has to be to some sort of rank on any expedition or endeavor.
> What are they supposed to have used... the guy who smokes a cigar and laughs mockingly is the guy in charge.  The guy who complains is the second guy in charge.  The guy who likes science and questions things should me the science guy; and hot blond babe is the baby machine. 
> Get real.
> - Scott B.
>

That's a great explanation for the continuity error but my point is that when they filmed Planet Wilson & Serling didn't write the character and Heston didn't play the character as a military officer.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Perhaps Taylor grew tired of what he witnessed and experienced while in the military to be the man we know him to be as seen in PLANET...it wouldn't be the first time this happened to a person.
> Kinda like how I feel about rabid fans after being a consultant on several DVD releases.
> - Scott B.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> Dr. Zaius says in PLANET, referring to Taylor's statement, that "a ship from outer space sank in an inland sea of our eastern desert," therefore the "inland sea," which Cornelius later calls "dead lake" (so let's not get into an argument over what constitutes a lake or a sea but simply acknowledge it as the body of water we see at the beginning of PLANET), is also part of this eastern desert.
>

He also calls it 'our eastern desert' later when Taylor is in his office. But if the map was being held sideways wouldn't it be called the northern desert?

> Ok, fine... then the ocean that the fugitive party reaches at the end of PLANET is even further east. In Cornelius' office, Taylor clearly points to this inland sea as where his spaceship sunk, and which is separated from the ocean seen on the bottom of the map by another body of land. Therefore what you see on Cornelius' map, where Cornelius points to where Ape Town -- which it should be called, "Ape City" being another BENEATH revision -- is in relationship to everything else is WEST of the eastern desert!

Yes, where Taylor is captured and Ape City and everything else on the left side of the line on the map is west of the Forbidden Zone. The FZ is on the right side of the line, the eastern portion of the map. And here is where Taylor pointed to:

(Also, in BENEATH, Cornelius says that the last place they saw Taylor was "riding north" along the section of land between the lake and the sea.)

>
> Are you still going to argue with this, James? I mean, come on? This clearly tells you how to orientate Cornelius' map, and this clearly shows you HE'S HOLDING IT SIDEWAYS! Where is the "revisionism"? I know the map looks like the New York City area, but it's simply not. It can't be! I know this means it doesn't jibe with what's in BENEATH, but too bad. They made mistakes in BENEATH.

Wait, you can't cherry pick parts of Beneath to support your theory. You either have to take Beneath as a whole or not. Taking Planet on it's own, there is still nothing that supports the contention that Cornelius was holding the map sideways.

> At the end of PLANET, Taylor rides north along what was the eastern coast of the US to find the Statue of Liberty, therefore the cave is south of that. How far south the cave is, or how long Taylor rides north is debatable. I don't tie myself to a quick session of shots as meaning the length of the ride is therefore also short.

Why not? Just because it doesn't jibe with your theory? That is starting out with a conclusion and ignoring anything that doesn't jibe with it. Earlier in the film the audience is shown the long trek by the Astronauts. The sequence was edited in a way to show the audience that it was a long journey. The sequence at the end would have been edited the same way if the filmmakers had wanted to let the audience know that Taylor and Nova had traveled a long distance taking many days or weeks.

Plus Taylor & Nova have only a week's supply of food & water. Even on horseback such a journey would take a lot longer than a week.

I contend that it MUST be longer than shown because -- going back to Cornelius' map -- Taylor points to where his spaceship sank and to where he was captured. Ok, he and his fellow astronauts trekked between those two spots for "many days and nights," therefore the distance must be long,

Not too long because the Astronauts only have food & water for three days. When they reach the scarecrows they show no signs of dehydration or starvation so it must be within that three day time frame.

and since Cornelius doesn't know anything of the Statue of Liberty, but does know where his cave is, and must be somewhere on his map, then the Statue is someplace NOT on his map, which means you'd have to travel some distance from the cave to where the Statue is.

That is again starting with a conclusion and extropolating backwards. Just because Cornelius doesn't know of the Statue doesn't mean it is not located within the area on the map.

>
> I know you think the "inland sea" is what was Long Island Sound, but that's northeast of the Statue of Liberty, so it can't be that and the map can't show the New York City area.

Except we don't know how far south the cave is.

If Taylor travels north after he leaves the cave, then the desert between the ocean and the inland sea, the inland sea itself, the desert beyond that, the green belts beyond that, and Ape Town (and whatever else made up the ape civilization) is all WEST of the Atlantic Ocean, deep inland in what was the eastern part of the US, and very much southwest of the New York City area.

>

Again you can't make these assumptions since you don't know the exact location of the cave on the map. Also, you're assuming that the filmmakers were perfect in their placement of locations. Most times they are not.

And you have to ask yourself is the filmmakers intended that Ape City and the cave be much farther south then why not have Taylor find another American landmark at the end or at least edit the sequence at the end to suggest a much longer journey. But they didn't do that. Why did they have Dr. Zaius refer to the Forbidden Zone as the Northern desert and have Cornelius hold the map the "right" way or at least let the audience know he was holding it sideways. Again they didn't do that.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

From what I've seen, Alice seems to be one crazy looking movie.
Hope it does well. Avril Lavigne's new Alice song is pretty damn good though.

Al

---

But that map is just of the local area. What lies to the west, north and south of the area shown on the map is not shown to the audience. It could be a much larger region of Ape Civilization.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I believe that's way to small an area for 2000 years of Ape Civilization to exist in, and that the map has to represent a much larger region, one that Cornelius didn't necessarily map himself, but that was mapped out over the course of 2000 or 1200 years of ape civilization (most of which remains a mystery).
>

After I saw this website http://www.realisingdesigns.com/weblog/2010/02/24/20-great-movie-posters/ proclaiming that the Remake one sheet was one of the 20 greatest, I wondered what POTA fans thought and created this poll. And just to refresh everyones memories about the choices:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> pota group:
>
> Which is your favorite POTA One Sheet poster?
>
> o Planet: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Planet.htm
> o Beneath: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Beneath.htm
> o Escape: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Escape.htm
> o Conquest: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Conquest.htm
> o Battle: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Battle.htm
> o Remake: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/2001.htm
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=2950902  
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>

Thanks for keeping us in the loop Bill. And thank you for the kind words about our group on your site.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Hiya Folks,
>
> WoooHoooo ! – It's Thursday !!! Another great Audio lineup this week at the
> Sea. First up is the latest Episode of a show very close to my heart,
> Maudelayne. Next up is more Simian fun with Planet of the Apes (Check out
> the nifty General Ursus Trading Card too). And finaly, we have more Old Time
> Classic fun with OTR Swagcast. Phew !!!
>

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:37 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Thanks for keeping us in the loop Bill. And thank you for the kind words about our group on your site.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Hiya Folks,
>
> WoooHoooo ! – It's Thursday !!! Another great Audio lineup this week at the
> Sea. First up is the latest Episode of a show very close to my heart,
> Maudelayne. Next up is more Simian fun with Planet of the Apes (Check out
> the nifty General Ursus Trading Card too). And finaly, we have more Old Time
> Classic fun with OTR Swagcast. Phew !!!
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

Thanks for the heads up guys.

Unfortunately, it was only a one day sale and the price is back up to $109. So those who didn't move on it yesterday missed out.

Just curious, how many have the Blu-Ray set? I have it and just for the book alone it is a must have for POTA fans.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@...> wrote:
>
> Saw this over on Slick Deals
> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1885666
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Best Buy's Deal of the Day! – Planet of the Apes – 40th Anniversary Set (Blu-ray) - $45.99
>
> Right now all five classic Planet of the Apes movies (in Blu-ray!) are available for just $45.99! The special offer is only available online and lasts TODAY only.
>

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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:36 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up guys.

Unfortunately, it was only a one day sale and the price is back up to $109. So those who didn't move on it yesterday missed out.

Just curious, how many have the Blu-Ray set? I have it and just for the book alone it is a must have for POTA fans.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@...> wrote:
>
> Saw this over on Slick Deals
> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1885666
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Best Buy's Deal of the Day! – Planet of the Apes – 40th Anniversary Set (Blu-ray) - $45.99
>
> Right now all five classic Planet of the Apes movies (in Blu-ray!) are available for just $45.99! The special offer is only available online and lasts TODAY only.
>

> Yeah, I thought I'd wait and see if they have a price
> drop on the PS3. That's what I did for the PS2.
> That way not only do I get a BluRay player, but
> an updated game system as well.

> It's not back
> compatible for the old Play Station games, but
> I still have a relatively new slimline PS2 for that.

> But I'll probably have to get a Wii as well so the
> little woman will be happy as well, but worth it.

Happy Friday everyone! This week's installement of APE CITY CHRONICLES is now available.

To access click on the banner on the Yahoo home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm.

Also, on Beneath's One Sheet page on the group website there is a much improved scan of the film's half sheet poster. To view it go here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Beneath.htm or on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Beneath.htm

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Group Website  - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• POTA Locations  - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• Cornelius' Journal  - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• The Art Gallery  - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section  - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.
• The Photos Section  - POTA pics contributed by members.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:34 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Happy Friday everyone! This week's installement of APE CITY CHRONICLES is now available.

To access click on the banner on the Yahoo home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm.

Also, on Beneath's One Sheet page on the group website there is a much improved scan of the film's half sheet poster. To view it go here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Beneath.htm or on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Beneath.htm

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Group Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.
• The Photos Section - POTA pics contributed by members.

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

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What Blu-Ray sets would put before it? And what do you mean by so much repetitive material?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> It's a nice gesture but too "fan-boy" lost in the mode to be a correct evaluation.  It's doesn't even come close to being one of the best Blu-ray sets released due to so much repetitive material.  I mean, the guy also has the Richard Donner cut of SUPERMAN II on the list which is complete garbage. There are better edits on Youtube.
> Sorry, as much as I love POTA the Blu-set falls very short to be put on that list - either that or I have very high standards and this guy shoots low.
> - Scott B.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Kevin Smith commenting on Tim Burton's POTA.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_UG8ub3aoY
>
> Funny stuff.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please, not again!
>
> Hey, wasn't Kevin Smith aboard Taylor's ship and that's the reason it crash landed?
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:06 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA Blu-Ray set $45

> Somewhat off-topic, but still worthwhile, IMO....
>
> > Yeah, I thought I'd wait and see if they have a price
> > drop on the PS3. That's what I did for the PS2.
> > That way not only do I get a BluRay player, but
> > an updated game system as well.
>
> After trying two different brands of Blu-ray players (Panasonic and
> Sony) and finding glitches in both, I ended up getting a PS3
> instead.
> It's been fantastic! I don't play games, but my kids have loved that
> aspect of it. It plays Blu-rays beautifully, and they load
> significantly faster on the PS3 than they did on either of the other
> players I tried. Since we have a Netflix subscription, the most use
> we've gotten out of the PS3 since I bought it for Christmas is
Netflix
> streaming, which looks great when run through the PS3 (much better
> than the streaming via computer looks). Plus, I'm running PlayOn on
> one of my computers, which serves up Hulu, Crackle, and other video
> sites to my PS3. And we've also enjoyed the built-in web browser.
>
> They're a little more expensive, but PS3s are definitely what I would
> recommend to anyone looking for a Blu-ray player.
>
> > It's not back
> > compatible for the old Play Station games, but
> > I still have a relatively new slimline PS2 for that.
>
> That's the only downside, though older PS3 models did have PS2
> support. Whatever they got rid of that did away that apparently made
> for a smaller, cooler, quieter PS3.
>
> > But I'll probably have to get a Wii as well so the
> > little woman will be happy as well, but worth it.
>
> We love our Wii, as well, but I have to say that the Wii's 480i
> graphics look really bad after you're used to the PS3's 1080p....
> (Not bad for games, but using the Wii's web browser is painful after
> using the PS3's...)
>
> Hunter
>

----- Original Message -----
From: sparkytb2005 <sparkytb@...>
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Kevin Smith vs. Tim Burton

> I love Kevin Smith. He's Canadian like my wife. You should check
> out the LOTR rant and his visit to the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA set in
> Vancouver. Superior geekdom.
>
> Mark.
>

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>
> On the PLANET release almost everything is from previous (standard) DVD versions. They all have the same trailers, no TV spots, Radio spots. The sections for Lobby Cards are wrong, there are many more publicity stills/behind the scenes/posters and such that could have been included.
> The sound on Planet although sonically an improvement is mixed at wrong levels. All the re-mixed soundtracks lack effort and all should have been re-mixed instead of re-using the same ones used for the previous standard DVD releases. (The isolated scores sound better in stereo than what was used for the actual films! Maybe FOX should take lessons from MGM and those who worked on the BOND films. Or even PARAMOUNT with those who worked on re-mixing the mono for the FRIDAY THE 13TH films.)
> FOX can never seems to do good Menus - the POTA menus suck.Â
> I know they forced this stuff out quick but that is also the stuff that tests people with true talent in their positions. I mean, Roger Corman made entire film's (like the Poe series) in less time that FOX worked on these POTA releases.
> The minimal HD supplement materials produced are just "Okay" at best. Perhaps they should put more effort in going through their archives instead of animated Lawgivers who aren't proper representations, or that crappy ANSA short. Missing NATO Presentation for Beneath.
> THE ROBE has more and better material and it's older. THE SAND PEBBLES was done better. THE TOWERING INFERNO was better. It's just that these release weren't packaged as well. The POTA films had to be packaged fancy simply because there wasn't much to offer otherwise. When you see them sold as separates each feature simply doesn't hold up to its price tag in terms of what Blu-ray can offer. Sorry, this box set is fancy buy is devoid of a good filling. Need I even go into the horrible ape visuals of "Fans" dressed up and used instead of the actors?! All this and that one reason it was pushed on the Rachel Ray show - who would care!
> - Scott B.
> >

> > THUMBS UP!> John M.
>

I agree they could have searched the archives more to find the TV and radio spots for all the films and the Beneath NATO film. But I did like the new documentaries as well as the interactive pressbooks and Heralds. And the book is really well done.

You're right that ANSA presentation was pretty crappy. They not only got key details from the film dead wrong and they also got the science wrong.

BTW If anyone wants to see scans of the original pressbooks, they are available on Hunter's site: https://pota.goatley.com/pressbooks/

Scans of the heralds are available on the group website on each film's One Sheet page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/OneSheets.htm plus Radio spots for the sequels: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RadioAds.htm and the Beneath NATO film: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/BNATO.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> On the PLANET release almost everything is from previous (standard) DVD versions.  They all have the same trailers, no TV spots, Radio spots.  The sections for Lobby Cards are wrong, there are many more publicity stills/behind the scenes/posters and such that could have been included.
> The sound on Planet although sonically an improvement is mixed at wrong levels.  All the re-mixed soundtracks lack effort and all should have been re-mixed instead of re-using the same ones used for the previous standard DVD releases.  (The isolated scores sound better in stereo than what was used for the actual films!  Maybe FOX should take lessons from MGM and those who worked on the BOND films.  Or even PARAMOUNT with those who worked on re-mixing the mono for the FRIDAY THE 13TH films.)
> FOX can never seems to do good Menus - the POTA menus suck. 
> I know they forced this stuff out quick but that is also the stuff that tests people with true talent in their positions.  I mean, Roger Corman made entire film's (like the Poe series) in less time that FOX worked on these POTA releases.
> The minimal HD supplement materials produced are just "Okay" at best.  Perhaps they should put more effort in going through their archives instead of animated Lawgivers who aren't proper representations, or that crappy ANSA short.  Missing NATO Presentation for Beneath.
> THE ROBE has more and better material and it's older.  THE SAND PEBBLES was done better.  THE TOWERING INFERNO was better.  It's just that these release weren't packaged as well.  The POTA films had to be packaged fancy simply because there wasn't much to offer otherwise.  When you see them sold as separates each feature simply doesn't hold up to its price tag in terms of what Blu-ray can offer.  Sorry, this box set is fancy buy is devoid of a good filling.  Need I even go into the horrible ape visuals of "Fans" dressed up and used instead of the actors?!  All this and that one reason it was pushed on the Rachel Ray show - who would care!
> - Scott B.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Even IF a really good script was written would a POTA film really fly with today's audience?
> When cut down to basics what made each POTA film so endearing wasn't the special effects (BENEATH having the most), it was the characters and the situations they were placed into.
> BENEATH is referred to as a western, ESCAPE a love story, CONQUEST a tale of the injustice of slavery, and BATTLE the rise and fall of a political despot (Aldo). Sprinkle race relations and the basic difference amongst us and them (Apes) and the struggle for equality and that's the recipe.
> None of this sound bankable with today's audience. With so many more people having more education today most are just dumb as turds, and shallow as water in the streets.
> Films today are produced for a very limited audience - tweens. The same age group 35 to 40 years ago had very different standards and views. We related to a very different set of morals, and values. We were more connected to basics of the human condition,  not technology. Even films today that sprinkle in those values are over run by their own technology - AVATAR. Cameron is a prime example of the "kind" if director born out of modern storytelling. He couldn't make a movie without technology. He himself has been quoted several times, and with more than one of his films how he had to wait for the technology to catch up with his "vision". Bullshit. If he was a talented enough director he would have done it anyway - with vision.  One doesn't have to build the Titanic to sink it. Maybe just tilt the camera more to give the impression the ship is leaning and have your actors ACT.  It was done before, and better with A NIGHT TO
> REMEMBER without the fictional love story involved.Â
> With more films geared to a younger crowd I think the real issue is would a new POTA film work?! I know the originals were produced for a family venue but think how different a family produced project was compared to today's film's prepared for the same audience. We haven't gone forward, but rather several steps back.
> Also, for same reason, today's younger audience seem only interested in seeing their own age populating the film's cast members. We didn't care. In fact it isn't until BATTLE did the APE films throw in a younger character - and he got killed!
> Better stories have a wide and more realistic range of characters unlike PUSH (a rip off THE FURY), unlike INTO THE BLUE (a rip off of THE DEEP) and many more.
> I can truly understand why a new POTA film might be thrown into limbo at any studio today. Add in the complete lack of really good actors. Actors who would be strong talents to rise above the make-up and standout. Remember, years ago actors hewn their talent on stage - no sitcoms, or other flash in the pan garbage. These were highly trained professionals, stars, not celebrities who graced more magazine covers than sold movie tickets.
> Perhaps POTA was just meant to be for it's time. Perfectly presented, by way of talent, both behind and in front of the cameras, placed within society and film history that can never quite be repeated.
> All I know is I'm thankful to have been part of it... no, blessed.
> - Scott B.Â
>
> --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Vic Martinez <vicrips@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Vic Martinez <vicrips@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Caesar" update - no BIG BUDGET
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:26 PM
>
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> Â
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> I just wish there could be a new movie using some of the make-ups from the Burton film or perhaps improving some of the John Chambers techniques. Make the new movie based on the original and use an all-star cast.
>

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:23 AM, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

AGAIN,THUMBS UP!..JOHN M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Even IF a really good script was written would a POTA film really fly with today's audience?
> When cut down to basics what made each POTA film so endearing wasn't the special effects (BENEATH having the most), it was the characters and the situations they were placed into.

> BENEATH is referred to as a western, ESCAPE a love story, CONQUEST a tale of the injustice of slavery, and BATTLE the rise and fall of a political despot (Aldo). Sprinkle race relations and the basic difference amongst us and them (Apes) and the struggle for equality and that's the recipe.
> None of this sound bankable with today's audience. With so many more people having more education today most are just dumb as turds, and shallow as water in the streets.
> Films today are produced for a very limited audience - tweens. The same age group 35 to 40 years ago had very different standards and views. We related to a very different set of morals, and values. We were more connected to basics of the human condition,  not technology. Even films today that sprinkle in those values are over run by their own technology - AVATAR. Cameron is a prime example of the "kind" if director born out of modern storytelling. He couldn't make a movie without technology. He himself has been quoted several times, and with more than one of his films how he had to wait for the technology to catch up with his "vision". Bullshit. If he was a talented enough director he would have done it anyway - with vision.  One doesn't have to build the Titanic to sink it. Maybe just tilt the camera more to give the impression the ship is leaning and have your actors ACT.  It was done before, and better with A NIGHT TO
> REMEMBER without the fictional love story involved.Â
> With more films geared to a younger crowd I think the real issue is would a new POTA film work?! I know the originals were produced for a family venue but think how different a family produced project was compared to today's film's prepared for the same audience. We haven't gone forward, but rather several steps back.
> Also, for same reason, today's younger audience seem only interested in seeing their own age populating the film's cast members. We didn't care. In fact it isn't until BATTLE did the APE films throw in a younger character - and he got killed!
> Better stories have a wide and more realistic range of characters unlike PUSH (a rip off THE FURY), unlike INTO THE BLUE (a rip off of THE DEEP) and many more.
> I can truly understand why a new POTA film might be thrown into limbo at any studio today. Add in the complete lack of really good actors. Actors who would be strong talents to rise above the make-up and standout. Remember, years ago actors hewn their talent on stage - no sitcoms, or other flash in the pan garbage. These were highly trained professionals, stars, not celebrities who graced more magazine covers than sold movie tickets.
> Perhaps POTA was just meant to be for it's time. Perfectly presented, by way of talent, both behind and in front of the cameras, placed within society and film history that can never quite be repeated.
> All I know is I'm thankful to have been part of it... no, blessed.
> - Scott B.Â
>
> --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Vic Martinez <vicrips@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Vic Martinez <vicrips@...>

> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Caesar" update - no BIG BUDGET
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:26 PM
>
>

> Â

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>
>
>
> I just wish there could be a new movie using some of the make-ups from the Burton film or perhaps improving some of the John Chambers techniques. Make the new movie based on the original and use an all-star cast.
>

>>What is it with Fox. They were the studio to hate back in the

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Actually, Magnetic Video was started by a businessman named Andre Blay.
> At one point, he convinced Fox to license some of their films to him for
> release to the home market. I remember reading once that Fox was so
> convinced that the idea wouldn't work they licensed the films to him dirt
> cheap. It ended up being so successful that they purchased the company
> from him two years later.
>
> There's a really good article about the company here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_Video. I think I still have two of
> their catalogs (1978 and 1980) around here somewhere.
>
> Agreed that the 80's were the worst dry spell for Apes aside from the
> Playhouse video series. But then in 1990 the five films were rereleased
> as the 'Planet of the Apes Collection', the Adventure Comics series (and
> the various offshoots) started, and the five movies and both TV series'
> started appearing regularly on the Sci-Fi Channel. As such, other
> channels got into the action as well (minus running the Animated Series).
> I specifically remember The Disney Channel showing the five films and
> four of the five telefilms on a once-a-week rotating basis on Saturday
> nights, and at the time we didn't get that channel so I couldn't watch
> them. Of course, speaking about enjoying the teleflms is verboten around
> here... :-) Then it 1998 we had the 30th Anniversary AMC marathon and
> the VHS/LD rereleases, and the first DVD Box Set two years later.
> Although the series of new merchandising that followed (including the
> multiple DVD rereleases) got to be a bit taxing, I'd rather have Apes
> being actively marketed than essentially forgotten like it was in the
> 80's.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

Or it could point out that he was a gun and judo enthusiast. My point is that the character as written by Serling & Wilson and performed by Heston was not Colonel Taylor, but simply George Taylor.

I was looking at a Production Guide issued by FOX in 1967 and Taylor is refered to as 'the captain of a team of American astronauts' (small c not capitol C) and as 'the chief'. Oddly, Landon is called as 'NASA's brightest boy'.

https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_pg_prelim.pdf

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I think three things in the movie point out that Taylor was indeed "Colonel George Taylor."
>
> 1. His pin point accuracy when shooting the gorilla soldier on top of the hill.
> 2. His tactics in hand to hand combat when fighting the human in the cage.
> 3. And in Taylor's own words, "Don't try to follow us, I'm pretty handy with this thing." ;o)
>
> Al
>

That's one way to explain the discrepency but it is still a discrepency or continuity error. But to state in an obit for Heston, "But he will always be Col. George Taylor to us." is just not accurate for Heston never played Col. George Taylor. The character that he portrayed in Planet and Beneath was simply George Taylor.

And just something about ANSA, there is not one line of dialogue ever mentioning ANSA. The only space agency mentioned in any of the POTA films is NASA. ANSA was something made-up by a costume designer and most likely because they didn't want to pay NASA for the rights to use their logo. ANSA has about as much meaning, or even less, than the gylphs on the Apes' costumes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> He could have also had a military past before joining ANSA.
>
> Al
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:27 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: "Caesar" update - no BIG BUDGET

 

I enjoyed the new The Wolfman. Looking forward to the Bluray release.

My guess is that all the film critics were expecting "The Wolfman Meets Gone With The Wind" or something. :o)

 

Al

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From: "Tim "apefan"" <apefan23@yahoo. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 6:26:14 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Caesar" update - no BIG BUDGET

 

a new apes film would probably come out as dull as the new "Wolfman"... .all style and no substance... .

I liked the new "Wolfman" too, but agree that it wasn't as good as it should have been.  The script needed a better writer, and the editing was too fast.

 

-- Rory

I'm going to ask that this be the last Wolfman post, especially since no one had the simple courtesy to even add OT to the header.

I'm sure there are a lot of great groups out there for discussing the Wolfman or horror films in general. It's just not here. This group is for discussing POTA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Barkley" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> I think "we've" gotten accustomed to modern horror and sci fi where there is action or suspense in every scene. The Wolfman was reminiscent of old Universal or Hammer.
>
> Jeff B

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