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Cornelius also mentions is in Escape during the interrogation by Hasslein and the CIA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> In Beneath when the lawgiver is frying Zaius says "bid your soldiers to shoot our poor people" and Ursus replies " I cant order them to do what our Lawgiver has forbidden.."Ape Shall not Kill Ape". If I remember right. The "Hang for high treason" could just be an expression, like " I'll kill you if you do that" and so on. I believe that the Ape shall not kill Ape was even implied in POTA, the gorillas could of simply been ordered to shoot everyone and be done with it. Its anyones guess...John M.
>

I equate "Apes Shall Never Kill Ape" with "Thall Shall Not Kill". It's a law for the masses, not for governments who execute people for high crimes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> There's nothing in PLANET to imply that apes do not kill other apes -- maybe not murder their brothers to possess their brother's things like Man done did do -- but the "Ape Shall Never Kill Ape" thing is another one of those wonder Paul Dehn contrivances that belongs exclusively to the world of the sequels, not the world of the original.
>

Great point Mike!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mcreek25@... wrote:
>
> I would think if the water was drinkable, they could stay in the raft and
> circumnavigate the lake looking for good places to stay. Also there could
> be fish in there too.
>
> Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek

Can't wait to see it Al!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> If I have enough time this weekend I'll have the Caesar Countdown Site launching this weekend.
> I'll keep you all posted.
>  
> Al 
>

And yet another reason I'm happy I'm an American;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "smugster2000" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> A gelding service is offered free of charge to all new subscribers (offer valid in the UK Only).
>
> Dave
>

Wow, I never noticed that before.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
.
>
> PS--the scarecrows look like they are made out of reeds tied together, like
> the figures the gorillas were training with in Beneath.
>

I think that is also true of Cornelius' statement about getting his head chopped off. He didn't mean it literally, it was just an expression.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>If I remember right. The "Hang for high treason" could just be an expression, like " I'll kill you if you do that" and so on.

Although with how staunchly the apes believed in the Lawgiver and his teachings, the penalties could have been that severe <chopping of heads and the like> for heritical digs and rethinking of established knowledge.

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:10 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

I think that is also true of Cornelius' statement about getting his head chopped off. He didn't mean it literally, it was just an expression.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>If I remember right. The "Hang for high treason" could just be an expression, like " I'll kill you if you do that" and so on.

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Your very "hard" on the Apes sequels arent you. Even for the fact that they were made changed cinema history and just for that they should be honnered. Without the sequels and the "Go Ape" festivals Planet of the Apes would of just been another great movie. A jem from the past but not a phenomenom and not something we would be talking about nearly as much as we do. Just my opinion..John M.

That doesn't mean I can't have the proper attitude about them.

 

That proper attitude, by the way, is that they were made mostly to milk more money out of the concept, were inferior to the original and over time have diminished its reputation -- because they were more juvenile and silly.  Other than that, they're merely OK, except BATTLE, which is pretty bad.

 

-- Rory

How does this relate?

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:17 am
Subject: [pota] Blood transfusion in 1908!!

 

This was a cool article.

 

http://query. nytimes.com/ mem/archive- free/pdf? _r=1&res=9B0DEFDE123EE23 3A25752C2A9619C9 46997D6CF

 

 

Jess.

Attitude? Opinion is what it really is and thats a subjective quality. You say proper as if your view is the only one. I agree with you most of the time, but in my opinion you have a hard-on for the sequels..Ha-Ha. Take care..John M..

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> >
>
>
>
> That doesn't mean I can't have the proper attitude about them.
>
> RORY
>

Thanks, Alex!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> If I have enough time this weekend I'll have the Caesar Countdown Site launching this weekend.
> I'll keep you all posted.
>
> Al
>

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I was just thinking about how they hooked up Nova's veins to Taylor's to save him...

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:10 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

How does this relate?

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:17 am
Subject: [pota] Blood transfusion in 1908!!

This was a cool article.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9B0DEFDE123EE233A25752C2A9619C946997D6CF

Jess.

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I hope you're kidding (about the ape handling).
here's another link:
http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=34&s=261&ai=95183

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Creature designer Aaron Sims says of "Rise of the Apes": "...we spent quite a lot of time designing the apes, the evolution of the apes and these big scenes. So that was a lot of fun because I'm a gigantic POTA fan, ever since I was a child. It was just one of my favorite films when I was growing up. To be able to work on this one was just a dream come true...We pretty much designed all the characters and all the apes and they are building the sets in Vancouver right now".
>
> http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=22111
>
> That sounds great, but where are they going to house all the CG apes? Remember, these aren't actors in makeup, these are real CG apes. The movie takes place when apes are still wild and primitive, so these CG apes need to be fed, housed, their messes cleaned up. I think that will be a big challenge for the production. They say never work with kids or animals, and the story calls for a lot of them (if it's like "Conquest"). I'm sure there will be amusing stories when it's all over of how they trained and got the CG apes to perform on cue.
>

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Perhaps one of the changes in the loop

caused by Z & C going back in time.

 

In a message dated 5/13/2010 9:54:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

I guess ape does kill ape then? Zaius did threaten to hang Cornelius and Zira.

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Or earlier depending on your point of view Jess.

That's the thing about time travel films.  If you

ever want to watch one that's pretty much the

opposite of Bill & Ted, watch Primer.

 

 

In a message dated 5/13/2010 11:58:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Ape does not kill ape line comes in the later films, so anything is possible.

 

Jess.

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If that were the case the ship would not have sunk.

Seawater averages just under 4%.  The Great Salt

Lake varies from 5 - 27%. The Dead Sea is even

higher than that, at over 30% .  It might be an 

explanation for Dr. Milo finding it though.  If

it sank is an area of low salinity and drifted 

into one of high salinity concentration.  It

ma have gained buoyancy and popped up 

and drifted ashore without the need

for a salvage opperation. 

 

 

In a message dated 5/13/2010 7:25:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Another line in the script but cut from the final final, Dodge tests the water and says that it is close to 25% salinity. The script is available on Hunter's site: https://pota. goatley.com/ scripts/pota_ finalshoot1. pdf

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As for the water testing scene, perhaps it was taken out, but I seem to remember Dodge leaning out of the raft with some little test tube thingy as if he was taking samples.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com

 

In a message dated 5/14/2010 7:11:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Great point Mike!

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, mcreek25@... wrote:
>
> I would think if the water was drinkable, they could stay in the raft and
> circumnavigate the lake looking for good places to stay. Also there could
> be fish in there too.

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Attitude? Opinion is what it really is and thats a subjective quality. You say proper as if your view is the only one. I agree with you most of the time, but in my opinion you have a hard-on for the sequels..Ha-Ha. Take care..John M..

My attitude or opinion, whatever you want to call it, is that of the majority of not just film critics, but most humans on this planet as to the basic merits of the sequels as motion pictures.  I don't have a hard-on for the sequels, but rather an adult, serious and unemotional understanding of their weaknesses.  It's YOU that has a hard-on for them.  I'm an APES fan, but I'm not an APES "fanatic" that calls all things APES good.

 

-- Rory

.html Hi Dave, can you reserve me a copy. Just let me know where to send a cheque or paypal.
 
Cheers
 
Rob
 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: JamesA1102@...
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:03:12 +0000
Subject: [pota] Re: new issue of Simian Scrolls has arrived

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I was just thinking about how they hooked up Nova's veins to Taylor's to save him...

PLANET actually gets it wrong as to how you do a transfusion.

If that were the case the ship would not have sunk.

Seawater averages just under 4%.  The Great Salt

Lake varies from 5 - 27%. The Dead Sea is even

higher than that, at over 30% .  It might be an 

explanation for Dr. Milo finding it though.  If

it sank is an area of low salinity and drifted 

into one of high salinity concentration.  It

ma have gained buoyancy and popped up 

and drifted ashore without the need

for a salvage operation. 

That's a good theory, T, but it still doesn't explain how Dr. Milo would have repaired the circuitry damaged by the water, salty or otherwise, or how he would have gotten rocket fuel and such -- and just the bloody hell where were those crazy apes going to in the first place?  To go live on the moon?  ESCAPE was a clever movie, but it had a lot of laps in logic.

OK guys! Play nice.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Attitude? Opinion is what it really is and thats a subjective quality. You say proper as if your view is the only one. I agree with you most of the time, but in my opinion you have a hard-on for the sequels..Ha-Ha. Take care..John M..
>
>
>
> My attitude or opinion, whatever you want to call it, is that of the majority of not just film critics, but most humans on this planet as to the basic merits of the sequels as motion pictures. I don't have a hard-on for the sequels, but rather an adult, serious and unemotional understanding of their weaknesses. It's YOU that has a hard-on for them. I'm an APES fan, but I'm not an APES "fanatic" that calls all things APES good.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> =
>

It looks great so far.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Long way still to go but the ball has begun to roll.
>  
> www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com
>  
> Al
>

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My expectations for the new POTA movie are very low based on Hollywoods generally poor record on sequels.  I would like to hope that it will be done by people very familiar with the previous 5 "original" movies and that they could tie up most of the various loose ends. 

 

I loved the originals ape make up, buildings, clothing styles and Ape characters.  Since none of those will be in the prequel / sequel / reboot it does not provide me with much anticipation.

 

I am willing to go see it in the theater, and I hope it will be a great movie.  I just doubt that it will be.

 

Time travel is not something I like much in movies because of the logical problems that come up.  Change the past, kill your own grandfather, time loops, all that stuff.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com

 

In a message dated 5/15/2010 12:38:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

OK, I have a question for everyone here that believes in the "Time Loop" view of POTA.  What if Fox is going to present this new movie as a direct prequel to PLANET, not as just a reboot, but as how you should accept the origin of the entire thing?  Wouldn't it rather negate the "Time Loop" view of the series, and what would be your attitude towards that?  Many of you here have already prejudged this new movie and won't accept it as part of the canon of the original series, but what if it turns out to be a really good movie and offers a more interesting explanation of the POTA origins than either the "Time Loop" view, or Cornelius' story in ESCAPE?

 

-- Rory

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Whoa, if you only knew how critical of the apes sequels and the tv stuff I am. I just give them credit for what they are and what they had to work with. Like your children all different but you love them all the same. But Im very critical. It just seems from your writing that the anything after Planet is marginalized. To think I voted for Feb. 8th...Take it easy buddy..John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Attitude? Opinion is what it really is and thats a subjective quality. You say proper as if your view is the only one. I agree with you most of the time, but in my opinion you have a hard-on for the sequels..Ha-Ha. Take care..John M..
>
>
>
> My attitude or opinion, whatever you want to call it, is that of the majority of not just film critics, but most humans on this planet as to the basic merits of the sequels as motion pictures. I don't have a hard-on for the sequels, but rather an adult, serious and unemotional understanding of their weaknesses. It's YOU that has a hard-on for them. I'm an APES fan, but I'm not an APES "fanatic" that calls all things APES good.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> =
>

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Its true James, as fifty year old men this does read pretty infantile. I notice though that when certain people make an argument they are taking the high road of,"Im adult..intelligent..and everyone is in agreement with me..and so on". The critics be damned. They did not love a certain movie a certain person loves here so thats a poor argument. I just woke up and read the board so if it seems childish Im sorry. Even when I agree with certain people they love to "dig" at you with properly laid out narratives and I tent to rattle off to fast. In debates in college I did that many times but always won the crowd but not academia.. Calm down..Ape wise we all should be gratefull at whats happining and I say its because of the phenom of the apes franchise, not POTA68 alone. The Only sequels I like alot Are Escape and Conquest...I want no arguments but I feel a sense of anger from some people and I dont get it. Thats not good debate but fuel for rancor..John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> OK guys! Play nice.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Attitude? Opinion is what it really is and thats a subjective quality.
> You say proper as if your view is the only one. I agree with you most of
> the time, but in my opinion you have a hard-on for the sequels..Ha-Ha.
> Take care..John M..
> >
> >
> >
> > My attitude or opinion, whatever you want to call it, is that of the
> majority of not just film critics, but most humans on this planet as to
> the basic merits of the sequels as motion pictures. I don't have a
> hard-on for the sequels, but rather an adult, serious and unemotional
> understanding of their weaknesses. It's YOU that has a hard-on for them.
> I'm an APES fan, but I'm not an APES "fanatic" that calls all things
> APES good.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =
> >
>

I was going around the web(Im sorry I didnt get the site and I shut down the computer), theirs talk of Liam Neeson staring, the set is about half a mile wide and because of Avatar the budget will be phenemonal. This looked like a leak from FOX or some nut I cant be sure but we will all know soon enough. This is the fun part about movies. Coming to fruition is the sad part..Ha-Ha... Just threw it out their. I hope Fox does cast the movie well...John M.

Sorry, the blog or post from FOX or dream I had also said that the battle(s) will be Lord of the Rings in scope. This could be everything we were hoping for. I hope what I read wasnt some lone nut(no, not me)theory. Anyway lets hope for the best, John M.

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Yes, for a society that did not seem to have electricity, being able to fix a space ship seems a bit of a streach.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com

 

In a message dated 5/15/2010 12:41:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

That's a good theory, T, but it still doesn't explain how Dr. Milo would have repaired the circuitry damaged by the water, salty or otherwise, or how he would have gotten rocket fuel and such -- and just the bloody hell where were those crazy apes going to in the first place?  To go live on the moon?  ESCAPE was a clever movie, but it had a lot of laps in logic.

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Know you seem to be bi-polar. I thought you would not want nothing to do witn this new movie... John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> OK, I have a question for everyone here that believes in the "Time Loop" view of POTA. What if Fox is going to present this new movie as a direct prequel to PLANET, not as just a reboot, but as how you should accept the origin of the entire thing? Wouldn't it rather negate the "Time Loop" view of the series, and what would be your attitude towards that? Many of you here have already prejudged this new movie and won't accept it as part of the canon of the original series, but what if it turns out to be a really good movie and offers a more interesting explanation of the POTA origins than either the "Time Loop" view, or Cornelius' story in ESCAPE?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>

I wonder if you'll be able to animate the type the way Fox did with the POTA2001 credits?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 1:53 pm
Subject: [pota] Rise of the Apes Online

 

Long way still to go but the ball has begun to roll.

 

www.riseoftheplanet oftheapes. com

 

Al

You talk of love?  This is sounding like something from BATTLE.  I'm just not that emotional about it.  For a time I truly hated the sequels, now I'm just indifferent to them, but I can't help say what I honestly feel about them as movies and as they're related to PLANET.  Look at it this way, there are the Great Apes (the book/Planet), and then there's the Lesser Apes (the sequels -- a couple of which are lesser than the other two), and then there's monkeys (TV Show, cartoon), and finally there's a bloody baboon (2001 debacle).

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 6:14 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Scarecrows

 

Its true James, as fifty year old men this does read pretty infantile. I notice though that when certain people make an argument they are taking the high road of,"Im adult..intelligent..and everyone is in agreement with me..and so on". The critics be damned. They did not love a certain movie a certain person loves here so thats a poor argument. I just woke up and read the board so if it seems childish Im sorry. Even when I agree with certain people they love to "dig" at you with properly laid out narratives and I tent to rattle off to fast. In debates in college I did that many times but always won the crowd but not academia.. Calm down..Ape wise we all should be gratefull at whats happining and I say its because of the phenom of the apes franchise, not POTA68 alone. The Only sequels I like alot Are Escape and Conquest...I want no arguments but I feel a sense of anger from some people and I dont get it. Thats not good debate but fuel for rancor. .John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> OK guys! Play nice.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Attitude? Opinion is what it really is and thats a subjective quality.
> You say proper as if your view is the only one. I agree with you most of
> the time, but in my opinion you have a hard-on for the sequels..Ha-Ha.
> Take care..John M..
> >
> >
> >
> > My attitude or opinion, whatever you want to call it, is that of the
> majority of not just film critics, but most humans on this planet as to
> the basic merits of the sequels as motion pictures. I don't have a
> hard-on for the sequels, but rather an adult, serious and unemotional
> understanding of their weaknesses. It's YOU that has a hard-on for them.
> I'm an APES fan, but I'm not an APES "fanatic" that calls all things
> APES good.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =
> >
>

I was going around the web(Im sorry I didnt get the site and I shut down the computer), theirs talk of Liam Neeson staring, the set is about half a mile wide and because of Avatar the budget will be phenomenal. This looked like a leak from FOX or some nut I cant be sure but we will all know soon enough. This is the fun part about movies. Coming to fruition is the sad part..Ha-Ha... Just threw it out their. I hope Fox does cast the movie well...John M.

Wasn't Liam Neeson the guy who tried to get Jody Foster to talk English in some Fox movie?  Neeson is good in some things, but I find him hard to take in things like, well... TAKEN.  He's probably OK for this (I'm assuming he'll be playing the doctor behind the genetic engineering), it could be worse.  Could be Ben Affleck, or Will Ferrell.

 

As for the budget, I don't know how much CG is, but if I were Fox I wouldn't go much over $100 million.

Sorry, the blog or post from FOX or dream I had also said that the battle(s) will be Lord of the Rings in scope. This could be everything we were hoping for. I hope what I read wasnt some lone nut(no, not me)theory. Anyway lets hope for the best, John M.

Lawgiver, who knows about the future?

 

Sounds like a dream to me.  I see this thing as small scale, urban, something like COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT meets ON THE BEACH meets THE X FILES.  Remember, there's supposed to be a plague that kills humanity, so I expect an empty San Francisco, but maybe the apes will burn it down.

Know you seem to be bi-polar. I thought you would not want nothing to do witn this new movie... John M.

Say what?  I'm not bi anything.  I'm with Veetus (he's the one who's bi).  Too much time has passed and it's silly and juvenile to expect Fox to simply regurgitate that which is over 40 years old to satisfy a niche of fans (this being what I think started this argument).  And I don't want that anyway.  I don't care about a new APES movie.  Whatever it is in the end, this new movie won't have the impact on me at fifty years old (I'll be fifty-two when it's released) that the original had on me at eight, so what's there to get excited about?  But, that doesn't mean I don't hope it's a good movie.  I still have an interest in seeing good movies and I'm planning on having as positive an attitude as I can about this thing -- just as I did with the 2001 production -- until I went to see it and my head exploded.

I agree...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> You talk of love? This is sounding like something from BATTLE. I'm just not that emotional about it. For a time I truly hated the sequels, now I'm just indifferent to them, but I can't help say what I honestly feel about them as movies and as they're related to PLANET. Look at it this way, there are the Great Apes (the book/Planet), and then there's the Lesser Apes (the sequels -- a couple of which are lesser than the other two), and then there's monkeys (TV Show, cartoon), and finally there's a bloody baboon (2001 debacle).
>
>

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I tried soooo hard to like POTA2001 but I couldnt. The best part of seeing the movie was looking at the marque outside the Zeigfeld and dreaming back all those years ago...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Know you seem to be bi-polar. I thought you would not want nothing to do witn this new movie... John M.
>
>
>
>
> Say what? I'm not bi anything. I'm with Veetus (he's the one who's bi). Too much time has passed and it's silly and juvenile to expect Fox to simply regurgitate that which is over 40 years old to satisfy a niche of fans (this being what I think started this argument). And I don't want that anyway. I don't care about a new APES movie. Whatever it is in the end, this new movie won't have the impact on me at fifty years old (I'll be fifty-two when it's released) that the original had on me at eight, so what's there to get excited about? But, that doesn't mean I don't hope it's a good movie. I still have an interest in seeing good movies and I'm planning on having as positive an attitude as I can about this thing -- just as I did with the 2001 production -- until I went to see it and my head exploded.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, rob reading <readingrob@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Dave, can you reserve me a copy. Just let me know where to send a cheque or paypal.

As always, all UK order queries to John Roche.

<john@...>

Dave B

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It was a legit web site, but it was a feedback from a fan that said he had inside info. When I find it again Ill post it...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see the article of which you speak, sir. You must have dreamed it. You dream about Liam Neeson?
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:16 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Rise will be big budget?
>
>
>
> I was going around the web(Im sorry I didnt get the site and I shut down the computer), theirs talk of Liam Neeson staring, the set is about half a mile wide and because of Avatar the budget will be phenemonal. This looked like a leak from FOX or some nut I cant be sure but we will all know soon enough. This is the fun part about movies. Coming to fruition is the sad part..Ha-Ha... Just threw it out their. I hope Fox does cast the movie well...John M.
>

Jeff, the closest I could find was this. Its not what I saw but its close, what do you think...John M.www.sffmedia.com/films/science-fiction-films/488-planet-of-the-apes-prequel-confirmed-the-apes-will-rise-again.html In the reply section under article...Ill find it eventualy.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> I don't see the article of which you speak, sir. You must have dreamed it. You dream about Liam Neeson?
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:16 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Rise will be big budget?
>
>
>
> I was going around the web(Im sorry I didnt get the site and I shut down the computer), theirs talk of Liam Neeson staring, the set is about half a mile wide and because of Avatar the budget will be phenemonal. This looked like a leak from FOX or some nut I cant be sure but we will all know soon enough. This is the fun part about movies. Coming to fruition is the sad part..Ha-Ha... Just threw it out their. I hope Fox does cast the movie well...John M.
>

Hey Jeff, whats with this calling me sir stuff. Its me your old NY buddy John.. I guess thats why I get no more Christmas cards with your great sketching..Take care John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see the article of which you speak, sir. You must have dreamed it. You dream about Liam Neeson?
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:16 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Rise will be big budget?
>
>
>
> I was going around the web(Im sorry I didnt get the site and I shut down the computer), theirs talk of Liam Neeson staring, the set is about half a mile wide and because of Avatar the budget will be phenemonal. This looked like a leak from FOX or some nut I cant be sure but we will all know soon enough. This is the fun part about movies. Coming to fruition is the sad part..Ha-Ha... Just threw it out their. I hope Fox does cast the movie well...John M.
>

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While this is my favorite by far of all the movies and I wish they had gone in other directions, I do like all the movies, TV and even the cartoon.  I would have rather that we saw Taylor and Nova find Dr. Zaius jungle on the other side of the Forbidden Zone.  Then see the Gorilla Army move out to attack them and be chastised by a human army raised by Taylor.

 

Then the sequels revolve around the original characters and general time frame of Taylors landing.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com

 

In a message dated 5/15/2010 6:49:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

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You do have to eliminate the Alpha Omega bomb explosion from the time line or it does all end in rather a downer, and it does limit the franchise options too.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com

 

In a message dated 5/15/2010 6:48:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pota1968@... writes:

Personally I believe the time loop was meant to be, however by removing the Alpha Omega bomb from "Battle", the timeline was then meant to be shown as a new beginning. Or as George Lucas would say, "A New Hope." :o)

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Go to www.sffmedia.com and click the may 14th article and go to the comments on the bottom of the page and their is a person who says the same thing I said. I just wish I could find the original page...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
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> Jeff, the closest I could find was this. Its not what I saw but its close, what do you think...John M.www.sffmedia.com/films/science-fiction-films/488-planet-of-the-apes-prequel-confirmed-the-apes-will-rise-again.html In the reply section under article...Ill find it eventualy.
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> Here's the sketch from last night.....

Wow, that was...really bad.

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If Liam Neeson is teaching Caesar to talk, Caesar will have a broad Ulster accent with the vaguest hint of Hollywood twang.Hmmmm.Makes me wonder why the original Caesar didn't have an Hispanic accent, having learned from Armando.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I was going around the web(Im sorry I didnt get the site and I shut down the computer), theirs talk of Liam Neeson staring, the set is about half a mile wide and because of Avatar the budget will be phenomenal. This looked like a leak from FOX or some nut I cant be sure but we will all know soon enough. This is the fun part about movies. Coming to fruition is the sad part..Ha-Ha... Just threw it out their. I hope Fox does cast the movie well...John M.
>
>
>
> Wasn't Liam Neeson the guy who tried to get Jody Foster to talk English in some Fox movie? Neeson is good in some things, but I find him hard to take in things like, well... TAKEN. He's probably OK for this (I'm assuming he'll be playing the doctor behind the genetic engineering), it could be worse. Could be Ben Affleck, or Will Ferrell.
>
> As for the budget, I don't know how much CG is, but if I were Fox I wouldn't go much over $100 million.
>

I assume that by "Time Loop" you mean the theory that the timeline is
circular.

As a 'circularist' I believe that the INTENT was portray a circular
timeline in the original 5 films. I subscribe to that notion for
several reasons. One reason (and the most important) was that was how
I originally interpreted the story. Another reason is that Dehn has
stated that that was his INTENT all along. Because of the many
continuity errors in the series, the truth is that neither side can
claim their interpretation is the one and only correct one.

Now when it comes to this new movie, I really don't care what it will
posit as the 'way things happened' as it will be a creation made by
new people and will have no connection to anyone who worked on the
original series. Why would I all of a sudden bow down to their
interpretation? If anything, I think just about everyone here on these
forums have more valued opinions than anyone in hollywood now working
on the movie. Would anyone who believed in the 'alternate' or 'new'
timeline theory suddenly changed their minds if the new movie tried to
explain all the discrepancies and portray the timeline as a circular
one? I doubt it.

I will be impressed (and grateful) if they at least tried to take all
that has happened before into consideration for the new movie. But I'm
not holding my breath.

And perhaps it would be best if they did stake out a completely new
movie. I think the time has long past to realistically have another
sequel or prequel to the original classic series. Too much has
changed. Is it realistic to expect that a novie that fell right in
line with 'classic' POTA could be a hit with todays audience, most of
which would be totally clueless to the events and characters from the
old movies? Unlikely.

I don't mind having a fresh take on POTA, as long as it is a GOOD
movie and not a mindless plot like 2001. Another fiasco will undermine
what little remains of the POTA legacy. That's why news of this new
movie has been a mixed bag of feelings for me. It's going to be a long
and torturous wait to see where this movie goes.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:09 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Scarecrows

> OK, I have a question for everyone here that believes in the "Time
> Loop" view of POTA. What if Fox is going to present this new
> movie as a direct prequel to PLANET, not as just a reboot, but as
> how you should accept the origin of the entire thing? Wouldn't it
> rather negate the "Time Loop" view of the series, and what would
> be your attitude towards that? Many of you here have already
> prejudged this new movie and won't accept it as part of the canon
> of the original series, but what if it turns out to be a really
> good movie and offers a more interesting explanation of the POTA
> origins than either the "Time Loop" view, or Cornelius' story in
> ESCAPE?
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scott bosco <digitalcinema@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 11:47 am
> Subject: Re: [pota] Scarecrows
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think it would be more interesting it was the original time line
> spoken of by Z&C in escape where it took longer for the take-over
> to happen which led to the first POTA film and its society. This
> would portray a very different Caesar and perhaps show why the ape
> when out of their way to destroy man instead of living with them.
> - Scott
>

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The photos I took of "Ms. Gorilla"  are not really that good and I'm having a hard time downloading the images to my computer so be patient Mike I will have them for you soon...I have not forgotten you!

 

Bruce 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcreek25@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Glyphs

 

Thanks, that will be great.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
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In a message dated 4/28/2010 8:25:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stenosaurus@ aol.com writes:

OK give me a day or 2 I will shoot it & send it here.

 

Bruce

Now when it comes to this new movie, I really don't care what it will
posit as the 'way things happened' as it will be a creation made by
new people and will have no connection to anyone who worked on the
original series. Why would I all of a sudden bow down to their
interpretation?

From what I understand, Fox is going to present this as a prequel to the original movie.  This is how they plan to reboot the franchise.  They're saying, as I see it, that the original sequels to PLANET represent one storyline, and now here comes another, connected to the original film, but not contradicting the sequels -- unless you're a circularlist and believe that ESCAPE, CONQUEST and BATTLE are on a direct timeline to the future of 3978 AD that you saw in PLANET.  If so, then some of you are going to have a very tough time with this new movie.  And why should you bow to their interpretation?  Because it's Fox, dammit!

 

-- Rory

Would anyone who believed in the 'alternate' or 'new'
timeline theory suddenly changed their minds if the new movie tried to
explain all the discrepancies and portray the timeline as a circular
one? I doubt it.

 

No, it wouldn't change my mind and I wouldn't be happy about it -- which is why I'm glad they're not doing that.  But, I'd have to live with it, just as I've had to live with the sequels taking POTA in directions I wish it hadn't gone.

 

-- Rory

 It's possible but so far this seems like a medium budget film. Maybe along the lines of their "Predators" that comes out next month. Liam Neeson? From what I've heard the main character has a dad with Alzheimer's. I would think they'd go younger with the main character (*cough!* Jackie Earle Haley *cough*). Though I've heard Fox are big spenders these days post- "Avatar".

  I like Liam so that's OK. A really big budget might cancel out interesting ideas. With a medium budget we might stand a chance (and Liam is probably expensive post- "Taken", though he's in Fox's "A-Team" this summer, so maybe).  Sir Jeff

Since the apes are going to be CG, Jackie Earle Haley is out in my book. (Why would Fox want audiences to have to watch his puss for two hours?  People will be eating their popcorn, you know.)  Oh, I guess the could use him AVATAR style, but who knows?  As for Liam, he's not so old he can't have a living father.

 

Oh, it would also be great if Eric Braeden were cast as an old Dr. Hasslein, who wasn't shot and killed by Cornelius because that timeline hadn't happened yet.  Don't you see all the possibilities that open up when the POTA universe isn't circular?

 

-- Rory

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That's okay, I am still here waiting.

 

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
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In a message dated 5/17/2010 12:03:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

The photos I took of "Ms. Gorilla"  are not really that good and I'm having a hard time downloading the images to my computer so be patient Mike I will have them for you soon...I have not forgotten you!

 

Bruce 

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Except that it was first stated in Beneath.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> Or earlier depending on your point of view Jess.
> That's the thing about time travel films. If you
> ever want to watch one that's pretty much the
> opposite of Bill & Ted, watch Primer.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/13/2010 11:58:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> jessicarotich@... writes:
>
> Ape does not kill ape line comes in the later films, so anything is
> possible.
>
> Jess.
>

FOX has stated that it is a prequel to Planet of the Apes but not which version, 1968 or 2001. They've been a bit ambiguous about that. Either way is a reboot of the series the way Batman Begins was a reboot of 1989's Batman which was a reboot of the 60s Batman TV series which was a reboot of the 40s Batman movie serial which was based on the Batman comic book.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>  What if Fox is going to present this new movie as a direct prequel to PLANET, not as just a reboot, but as how you should accept the origin of the entire thing?

Very true but consider this, the circuitry would have to been shielded for the various conditions in deep space, from extreme cold to high levels of radiation, it probably wasn't damaged by water.

Also, Taylor says after the ship sinks, "OK We're here to stay", which implies that if the sink hadn't sunk they would have had the option to take off again so the ship probably had enough rocket fuel in the tank to take off again.

As far as where they were going, that is anyone's guess.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> 
>
> That's a good theory, T, but it still doesn't explain how Dr. Milo would have repaired the circuitry damaged by the water, salty or otherwise, or how he would have gotten rocket fuel and such -- and just the bloody hell where were those crazy apes going to in the first place? To go live on the moon? ESCAPE was a clever movie, but it had a lot of laps in logic.
>

Who says they didn't have electricity? How were all the rooms lit? There were no torches or oil lamps or candles visable.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mcreek25@... wrote:
>
> Yes, for a society that did not seem to have electricity, being able to fix
> a space ship seems a bit of a streach.
>
> Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek

Just follow one simple rule: Debate the issue not the person.

But I think that everyone should refresh themselves on all the Groups Guidelines: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PostingGuidelines.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Its true James, as fifty year old men this does read pretty infantile.

You're bi-timeline.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Say what? I'm not bi anything.

Thanks Rory!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I tracked down where to get a better resolution copy of the photo of the Capitol Theatre marquee when PLANET played there in Feb/Mar 1968, and here is a scan of it. For comparison here's also a photo of the Capitol (and surrounding block) when THE WIZARD OF OZ premiered there almost thirty years earlier. Another PLANET-OZ connection; they both had world premieres at the same theatre.
>
> -- Rory
>

Pretty lame. The sketch wasn't funny and the make-up was bad.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the sketch from last night.....
>
> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/timecrowave/1228153/
>

Like most children in America he probably learned from watching TV. Based on his accent, my guess is he watched a lot of Masterpiece Theater and James Bond movies especially since he ripped off the 'play dead' plan from Goldfinger in Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
>
> If Liam Neeson is teaching Caesar to talk, Caesar will have a broad Ulster accent with the vaguest hint of Hollywood twang.Hmmmm.Makes me wonder why the original Caesar didn't have an Hispanic accent, having learned from Armando.John, Scrolls.
>
>

Has anyone ever done an audio book of Boulle's novel?

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Well said!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> As a 'circularist' I believe that the INTENT was portray a circular
> timeline in the original 5 films. I subscribe to that notion for
> several reasons. One reason (and the most important) was that was how
> I originally interpreted the story. Another reason is that Dehn has
> stated that that was his INTENT all along.

They've never directly stated that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> From what I understand, Fox is going to present this as a prequel to the original movie.

I have Windows 7 and it works for me.

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>
> I'm not sure if my XPJAVA.EXE will work with Windows 7 but you do have to reboot your computer to make it work.
> (restart your computer after you install it)
>  
> But regardless, let me know if you ever get to work.
> Perhaps there's another countdown clock I can download for the site that is more compatible with Windows 7.
>  
> Al
>

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:54 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Has anyone ever done an audio book of Boulle's novel?

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