*** Whether "they" wrote it or someone from "That's Hollywood" wrote it,
it's still written down i.e. "scripted"... Not even comparing apples and
oranges, it's comparing notebook paper to looseleaf paper...

And yes, Ricardo was very good in the BEHIND documentary... It's too bad
we'll probably never get to see the whole interview with him or anybody else
they interviewed for it <except Roddy's of course>... ***




In a message dated 10/25/2010 5:39:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

>
>
>
> They may have written down what they wanted to say (Natalie probably
> did) but I don't think someone "scripted" it. Ricardo was very eloquent in
> "Behind the POTA".

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James Franco is making the rounds promoting his Oscar hopeful "127 Hours", which opens in 2 weeks, and so there should be some "Rise of the Apes" comments being uttered. He says he plays a "nerdy scientist", not an action hero. And the reason he did it isn't because of POTA, but because he's a fan of "Lord of the Rings" and wanted to work with those people and get the CG experience. The truth hurts. : (

http://www.collider.com/2010/10/25/james-franco-interview-rise-of-the-apes-danny-boyle-2012-olympics-london/

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Beneath was aired for the first time on television.

The film got high ratings and confirmed that the high ratings for Planet aired over a month earlier were not a fluke. This was important because it led to the creation of the POTA TV series the next year.

I never noticed it until recently, but on all the old "CinemaScope" and later "Panavision 2.35:1" Fox films, the zero in "20th" is tilted to the right.  It's that way at the beginning of PLANET.  The studio doesn't do it any more on their "scope" films.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc: billburge48@...
Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:03 pm
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dear group, i found something different the film start of fox films during the 50s and the 60s during planet . the second photo shows linda harrison with richard zanuck at a film opening of the prime of miss brodie 1969 a fox film starring maggie smith. enjoy from william burge

I went over to DVDBeaver.com to see if they had a review up yet with screen captures, but nothing yet.  Veetus will be happy to learn though that a review of the Blu-ray for CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG is there and it looks fantastic too!  Veetus will be in Blu-ray heaven the next couple weeks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2010 12:27 am
Subject: [pota] OT: "Kwai" blu-ray looking good

 

 YOU have the film adaptation of Pierre Boulle's POTA on blu-ray. There's only one other film adaptation of a Boulle novel in the whole wide world. A week from tomorrow it hits blu-ray. It's your move.

 

 http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2010/10/the_kwai_is_blu.php

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> Beneath was aired for the first time on television.
>
>
>
> The film got high ratings and confirmed that the high ratings for Planet
> aired over a month earlier were not a fluke. This was important because
> it led to the creation of the POTA TV series the next year.
>

Wasnt it in NY chanel 2WCBS and it was postponed by Nixons BS speech, about the usual...Memories are made of these....John M.

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Thanks Jeff! The video has been edited down to the Roddy interview only so it is a smaller file. It can be downloaded from: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Video/RoddyFFInterview.wmv.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, RedSpy13@... wrote:
>
> Oh, and Hunter, feel free to add it to your site if you want. Anything I
> send to the group, you and James are free to post them, if you don't
> already have them. Enjoy, my friends!
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>

*** So more or less six times the investment... Pretty good... ***





In a message dated 10/26/2010 11:03:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
billburge48@... writes:

> . according to box office mojo beneath was released in theatres on may
> 27, 1970 and the total domestic gross was 18,999,718.

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*** I wouldn't go as far as saying outraged, but I think that comment is a
little bit over the top... I have a feeling that even if BENEATH was on par
with PLANET as far as production values and everything else, the reviewer
still would have had that attitude toward it... It's a safe bet that Sci-Fi
wasn't their thing... ***



In a message dated 10/26/2010 10:10:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> The review calls BENEATH "rubbish." Anyone here outraged by that?
>
>

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Ed Gross has done more than anyone in getting info on the "Rise of the Apes" movie. He has a terrific "Apes" site:

http://www.earthsmightiest.com/fansites/planetoftheapes/

Now he says he has interviews with the writers and director of said movie and will post them soon. That'll be cool. We haven't heard from them yet.

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No, you're wrong. Roddy didn't have a beard in POTA. He doesn't go in for fads. : )




From: Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:00 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Fractured Flickers with Roddy McDowall



I think Roddy McDowall had that beard for THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD.

Ed Gross has put up comments from the director. Actually, he doesn't say much but does mention he thought of the movie in a biblical sense, as a story future generations of apes would pass down. But it depends how well this one does to determine how much risin' we get: "It's just the beginning, the rest is the sequel, and hopefully there will be many more after that. I think the perfect sequel to this would be the actual war between the apes and the humans, which could be a fun story to tell".

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=24483

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Three things.Does anybody have the catalogue that was produced for the sale of Forrest Ackerman's collection last year---I've been told it has some Apes stuff, including costumes, in there.Second, does anybody know if the new book, 'House of Ackerman' by Al Astrella and James Greene, has any Apes bits.Finally, does the movie 'Fanboys' mention Apes? Yes, it's Apes I'm interested in folks. John, Scrolls.

Well, thanks for that.If they're talking sequels I'm now officially psyched for this, because Biblical is the word to describe the whole 'Conquest' era.Caesar is like Moses, protected initially by a memberof the enemy/Egyptian/human camp and then revealing himeself as the one leader who can save his people from slavery and oppression.Apologies to any Egyptians out there.This movie is gradually melting my flint-like, post Burton bruised heart.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Ed Gross has put up comments from the director. Actually, he doesn't say much but does mention he thought of the movie in a biblical sense, as a story future generations of apes would pass down. But it depends how well this one does to determine how much risin' we get: "It's just the beginning, the rest is the sequel, and hopefully there will be many more after that. I think the perfect sequel to this would be the actual war between the apes and the humans, which could be a fun story to tell".
>
> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=24483
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Ed Gross has put up comments from the director. Actually, he doesn't say much but does mention he thought of the movie in a biblical sense...

Back in the late 90's, when Oliver Stone was involved in a potential remake, didn't he say something similar?

Dave

John,

It never occurred to me that Forry may have have POTA artifacts in his
Ackermansion, although that would make sense. While I never visited the
Ackermansion, there are lots of Youtube videos of visits people made and
also archival footage of Forry giving interviews and tours there. I
don't recall seeing any Apes stuff of note.

A number of years ago, there were ads in some of the SF magazines for a
two CD (not DVD!) video tour of the mansion. I never find these CDs.
They may contain contain POTA material as well, if you can track them down.

I did not know about this 'House of Ackerman' book you mentioned, so
thanks for that tip.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
Date: Friday, October 29, 2010 6:20 am
Subject: [pota] Forry of the Apes

> Three things.Does anybody have the catalogue that was produced for
> the sale of Forrest Ackerman's collection last year---I've been
> told it has some Apes stuff, including costumes, in there.Second,
> does anybody know if the new book, 'House of Ackerman' by Al
> Astrella and James Greene, has any Apes bits.Finally, does the
> movie 'Fanboys' mention Apes? Yes, it's Apes I'm interested in
> folks. John, Scrolls.
>
>

The more I'm hearing about this film, the more excited for it I've become. I've been rather skeptical from the beginning--and I still am--but something tells me this is going to much more in line with what fans are looking for than Burton's film was.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Well, thanks for that.If they're talking sequels I'm now officially psyched for this, because Biblical is the word to describe the whole 'Conquest' era.Caesar is like Moses, protected initially by a memberof the enemy/Egyptian/human camp and then revealing himeself as the one leader who can save his people from slavery and oppression.Apologies to any Egyptians out there.This movie is gradually melting my flint-like, post Burton bruised heart.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Ed Gross has put up comments from the director. Actually, he doesn't say much but does mention he thought of the movie in a biblical sense, as a story future generations of apes would pass down. But it depends how well this one does to determine how much risin' we get: "It's just the beginning, the rest is the sequel, and hopefully there will be many more after that. I think the perfect sequel to this would be the actual war between the apes and the humans, which could be a fun story to tell".
> >
> > http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=24483
> >
>

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Anyone still have those...

POTA Pumpkin Patterns?

Thought I might make a

Jack-O-Lantern tonight.

 

 

 

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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:24 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Happy Friday everyone! This week's LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to Glen for his contribution.

To view this week's LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Also, the Trailers in the Videos section of the Group website have all been upgraded. To view, go to the Trailers page here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Trailers.htm or on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Trailers.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

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Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

YES YES YES!

Now my friday is complete! Always look forward to more musings of the most revered Simian!

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:24 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Happy Friday everyone! This week's LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to Glen for his contribution.

To view this week's LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

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Bill Hollweg
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Will Slay...
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The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

This isn't a pattern, but is this the type of thing you're looking for?

I don't remember who originally put this together so who ever did has my apologies for not giving them proper credit.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Anyone still have those...
> POTA Pumpkin Patterns?
> Thought I might make a
> Jack-O-Lantern tonight.
>

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Stone's idea was about a Bible code describing the future that the apes figure out. His ideas were pretty wild but they didn't get to the script stage.


From: dave
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:57 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: director Rupert Wyatt talks "Rise of the Apes"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Ed Gross has put up comments from the director. Actually, he doesn't say much but does mention he thought of the movie in a biblical sense...

Back in the late 90's, when Oliver Stone was involved in a potential remake, didn't he say something similar?

Dave

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dear group, found some different heston photos . enjoy from william burge

They actually have a resin model kit of Nova.I do not remember if that is the box for it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, on monsters in motion a website for sci fi models they made fake artwork if a model came out on nova . from william burge
>

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No...The Zira one.

 

 

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Rob R
 

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Greetings, group.  Attached is a "new" ad for the model kits for your collections.  I hadn't seen this one before, so I hope it's new to you, too.  Enjoy!

 

Jeff (RedSpy)

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It's been a month since I lasted posted an update, so it's time for
some more! Just added to my Apes archive:

- Yet another APES timeline, this time from a mid-1970s UK
sci-fi/comic fanzine called COMICS UNLIMITED. Thanks to the
contributor!

- Fan artwork from Olivier Moretti

- Issue #1 of PLANETE DES SINGES, the French version of the
Marvel Apes magazine

Thanks, guys!

https://pota.goatley.com/

Hunter

How funny--I just recently obtained a copy of that same timeline.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> It's been a month since I lasted posted an update, so it's time for
> some more! Just added to my Apes archive:
>
> - Yet another APES timeline, this time from a mid-1970s UK
> sci-fi/comic fanzine called COMICS UNLIMITED. Thanks to the
> contributor!
>
> - Fan artwork from Olivier Moretti
>
> - Issue #1 of PLANETE DES SINGES, the French version of the
> Marvel Apes magazine
>
> Thanks, guys!
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

From: Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:54 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: director, writers talk "Rise of the Apes"


Ed Gross chats up director Rupert Wyatt and the writers of the new "Apes" movie. Pretty much general comments but good to hear what sparks their interest.
Writer Rick Jaffa says, "it's socially relevant the way I think (the originals) were and I think that ultimately the theme is the same. That theme, for us, is if Man plays God, it's going to eventually come back and get you".
Wyatt describes the plot, saying," we see a scientist, a man who is driven to becoming this Dr. Frankenstein, and the reasons behind why he does that. The personal reasons as well as the hubris. It's also the story of his relationship with his creation. As such, I think it makes it a much more personal story than what's come before".
Writer Amanda Silver adds, "this is a film with a lot of heart. In many ways, that is a motor for the story, but it becomes a very exciting story".

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/exclusive-rise-of-the-apes-crew-talk-about-their-story/

People have been assuming that "Rise of the Apes" will be something like "Conquest", but the director said if the ape vs. human war is depicted, it would be in the next film. I'd say that would make IT the new "Conquest", while "Rise" is more like "Escape". Apes don't land from the future, but it's about one ape (Caesar) interacting with the humans. Amanda Silver, the writer, said there's a lot of heart, and I think that description fits "Escape". >SPOILER< And the film literally climaxes with an escape, not a conquest. Like "Escape", the movie will be more intimate and show how things get started. And it happens that 2011 is the 40th anniversary of "Escape", so it all fits.

Very cool! Thanks Hunter!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> It's been a month since I lasted posted an update, so it's time for
> some more! Just added to my Apes archive:
>
> - Yet another APES timeline, this time from a mid-1970s UK
> sci-fi/comic fanzine called COMICS UNLIMITED. Thanks to the
> contributor!
>
> - Fan artwork from Olivier Moretti
>
> - Issue #1 of PLANETE DES SINGES, the French version of the
> Marvel Apes magazine
>
> Thanks, guys!
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

This whole enterprise sounds like a stupid idea. Didn't Fox learn from the Tim Burton abortion of a film? If they want a new movie, why not a literal adaptation of the book? SFX today can handle it - why do this? Other than for money that is.

---- "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> People have been assuming that "Rise of the Apes" will be something like "Conquest", but the director said if the ape vs. human war is depicted, it would be in the next film. I'd say that would make IT the new "Conquest", while "Rise" is more like "Escape". Apes don't land from the future, but it's about one ape (Caesar) interacting with the humans. Amanda Silver, the writer, said there's a lot of heart, and I think that description fits "Escape". >SPOILER< And the film literally climaxes with an escape, not a conquest. Like "Escape", the movie will be more intimate and show how things get started. And it happens that 2011 is the 40th anniversary of "Escape", so it all fits.

--



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I for one really liked the remake, infact it made me appreciate the originals even more, love the comics though and I'd really like to see movies along those lines, time will tell I guess,enjoying all the emails I get through from the group here though,top stuff

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Graham Walters <grayw73@...> wrote:

>
> I for one really liked the remake, infact it made me appreciate the originals even more, love the comics though and I'd really like to see movies along those lines, time will tell I guess,enjoying all the emails I get through from the group here though,top stuff
>

Like you, I enjoyed the remake despite the flak it got. I was brought up watching the original films and TV series during the early seventies, yet I still warmed to the Burton film despite its flaws. It's not comparable to the original, that's for sure, but I can take the film as a standalone and it has some qualities that I appreciate.

I'm probably a bit cynical and expect that Rise won't be as good as hoped for, but I'm hoping that I am wrong. The words from Amanda Silver mentioned in the "director, writers talk "Rise of the Apes" thread do fill me with some hope, though, but then they're just words and not the final product. Fox have a history of interference with the Apes franchise, which not only happened during Burton's film but also with the originals. Sure, they have to be commended for taking on Planet of the Apes, but they sure have a nice way of spoiling things... or attempting to.

As for the topic, I do see some parallels despite the fact that Escape is really a different story. If Rise engages me anywhere near that of Escape, then I suppose I'd be quite happy. Escape is my favourite of the sequels, the original being my favourite of the films... naturally.


Graham (yes, another one)

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*** Which comics do you mean? I hope not "APE-NATION", etc. ***



In a message dated 10/31/2010 9:38:19 AM Central Standard Time,
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> love the comics though and I'd really like to see movies along those lines

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*** I think a lot of people will walk away from it disappointed if for no
other reason than there's not going to be much, if any, "action" in it... It
sounds like it's shaping up to be the feature length equivalent of an over
long/drawn out beginning which leads to the "adventure" of a film, but
instead of being the build up to the high point of the film, the whole film will
be a 90 minute build up to: The end credits.... If this movie doesn't do as
well as a lot are hoping for and they don't do a follow up, it will all be
for nothing... ***


In a message dated 10/31/2010 10:54:35 AM Central Standard Time,
gort65@... writes:

> I'm probably a bit cynical and expect that Rise won't be as good as hoped
> for, but I'm hoping that I am wrong.

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It's hard to say how people will react. It'll be mostly realistic-looking apes screeching and running around on all fours. People think of POTA as apes in clothes, talking, so it might not be what they want. But it sounds like it will be a good story, good acting. A good movie is a good movie. And the CG aspect will be new for the franchise, maybe that will add interest. It definitely won't be the biggest budget of the summer so if people want action they'll go to "Transformers" or whatever. But I think it will do well. It'll be a curiosity.


From: mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 12:54 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise of the Apes" the "Escape" of the new movies?



*** I think a lot of people will walk away from it disappointed if for no
other reason than there's not going to be much, if any, "action" in it... It
sounds like it's shaping up to be the feature length equivalent of an over
long/drawn out beginning which leads to the "adventure" of a film, but
instead of being the build up to the high point of the film, the whole film will
be a 90 minute build up to: The end credits.... If this movie doesn't do as
well as a lot are hoping for and they don't do a follow up, it will all be
for nothing... ***

In a message dated 10/31/2010 10:54:35 AM Central Standard Time,
gort65@... writes:

> I'm probably a bit cynical and expect that Rise won't be as good as hoped
> for, but I'm hoping that I am wrong.

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I believe he means the Dark Horse series that was spun off from Burton's film. Dark Horse's comics, as well as the four prequel novels, were all pretty damn good--much better than the film, in fact.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Which comics do you mean? I hope not "APE-NATION", etc. ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2010 9:38:19 AM Central Standard Time,
> grayw73@... writes:
>
>
> > love the comics though and I'd really like to see movies along those lines
>
> </HTML>
>

*** I forgot about those... ***



In a message dated 10/31/2010 8:35:08 PM Central Standard Time,
handleyr@... writes:

> I believe he means the Dark Horse series that was spun off from Burton's
> film. Dark Horse's comics, as well as the four prequel novels, were all
> pretty damn good--much better than the film, in fact.

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The human war, I've not read many, but, that was very entertaining and I need to buy some more,I also started rebuying the old marvel comics ,I used to buy these in the 70s and now I look and think 'only a cover and a few pages', the rest is filled up with anything it seems,I was hooked on them at the time as I had a really crappy job as a trainee butcher and mondays used to be a lot lighter when I went to the newagents to buy my next fix lol cheers, Graham w

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Do you recall the PG tips tea adverts with the chimps in the 70s ,real chimps in clothes saying stuff like ''can ee ride tandum'' it's a UK thing maybe,I know they have to be carefull as they have to cater for a wide audience not just apes fans who would love to see a really in depth and thought provoking movie while the other percentage just want action and tons of cgi ,I go for the in depth approach showing how the apes evolved from their point of view, maybe the 2001 a space odyssey approach won't go too well ,whatever they do I hope it has some reward ,Graham w

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Graham Walters <grayw73@...> wrote:

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> Do you recall the PG tips tea adverts with the chimps in the 70s ,real chimps in clothes saying stuff like ''can ee ride tandum'' it's a UK thing maybe,

Sure, I was brought up on those too back in seventies Britain. Thing is, that's the first thing that I thought of when I was watching the dinner table scene in Burton film for the first time. I love that scene, but I did have the thought: "ooh, how cute, a chimps' tea party!" ;) It also makes me wonder if any of the three British actors at that table would have brought up the same association (I'm under the impression, which might be wrong, that the PG Tips advert featuring chimpanzees was solely a British affair).

> I know they have to be carefull as they have to cater for a wide audience not just apes fans who would love to see a really in depth and thought provoking movie while the other percentage just want action and tons of cgi ,I go for the in depth approach showing how the apes evolved from their point of view, maybe the 2001 a space odyssey approach won't go too well ,whatever they do I hope it has some reward ,Graham w
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I'd rather have a thought provoking film with some emotion thrown in, than a pure actionfest. Still, I can take take some action, it just depends on how saturated it is. One thing I'd love is to see the book faithfully adapted, or at least as near as possible.


Graham

Will all the Grahams in the group please raise your hands.

I just want to take a quick count. ;-)

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Yes I think the commercials were banned for animal rights reasons, when they come to power we will be doing the adverts,oh we already are but not as good.I don't know if they have Brooke Bond PG Tips in the USA ,I used to know a girl in california who told me there were special shops that just sold british goods like that,on the subject of the chimps,I once went to see a promotional event for them with a big screen short movie and free baloons and tea bags,many moons ago though,also anyone remember the cadbury gorilla advert playing the drums to phil collins 'in the air tonight' ,Graham W

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I'm Graham W from west midlands,UK ,there's one lol

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*raises hand*

Graham F from West Sussex, UK reporting.


Graham F

*Raises hand*

'I'm Graham and so's my wife!'

:0)

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Yes,I have just watched all of these again recently, very entertaining,I saw them on youtube though ,I need either to get a region 2 copy or buy the 'apes head set' wich has them all included, wich I may well do anyway near xmas,I believe they did plan a final episode but it was never made.As to the apes head set,I am going to buy this even if I already have the movies and tv series,Graham W

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Its getting like in the movie 'Spartacus' now where everyone's shouting ''I'm Spartacus'' !..... ''I'm Graham'',''No,I'm Graham''.....lol Graham W

I watched the entire series twice while writing the timeline book, and then twice again while writing the lexicon. And now I hope never see it again, because I'm having nightmarish flashbacks of Nova yelling "Buh-hoy-a! Buh-hoy-a! Buh-hoy-a!" and saying, "Biiiiiill! Nooooovaaaa!"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Vic Martinez <vicrips@...> wrote:
> JUST RECEIVED A COPY OF "RETUOF "RETIRN TO THE PLANET OF THE APES" ON DVD. I TOTALLY ENJOYED EVERY EPISODE! EVEN THOUGH THE STORY WAS ALOT DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL, IT WAS VERY ENTERTAINING.
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ok, thanks,I will look out for it, Graham W

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That looks really good!

Jon Favreau talked to the L.A. Times about his fears of the 2011 summer movie season. Favreau directed the popular "Iron Man" movies and has the western/sci-fi hybrid "Cowboys and Aliens" coming out then (with the interesting combination of Harrison Ford and Daniel "Bond. James Bond" Craig). He says of Summer 2011, "It's Omaha Beach, it's going to be a blood bath. There's NEVER been a summer like next summer". Favreau also predicts the demise of the DVD business in a few years.
So, even if "Rise of the Apes" rocks (the article describes it as "a wild card") it will be an uphill battle to get the audience we want to ensure sequels.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/11/01/jon-favreau-summer-2011-will-be-a-bloodbath-for-hollywood/

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Excellent William! Thank you!

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What exactly does he mean by bloodbath? And why does he think this? He really doesn't explain the logic of his thinking at all.

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> Jon Favreau talked to the L.A. Times about his fears of the 2011 summer movie season. Favreau directed the popular "Iron Man" movies and has the western/sci-fi hybrid "Cowboys and Aliens" coming out then (with the interesting combination of Harrison Ford and Daniel "Bond. James Bond" Craig). He says of Summer 2011, "It's Omaha Beach, it's going to be a blood bath. There's NEVER been a summer like next summer". Favreau also predicts the demise of the DVD business in a few years.
> So, even if "Rise of the Apes" rocks (the article describes it as "a wild card") it will be an uphill battle to get the audience we want to ensure sequels.
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> http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/11/01/jon-favreau-summer-2011-will-be-a-bloodbath-for-hollywood/
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

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I thought every year was meant to be a "bloodbath" of sorts. Seems like hyperbole to me.


Graham F

He means all the big movies week after week, proven franchises. Somebody is going to lose (and since his movie isn't part of a famous franchise it could be him). Of course this happens every summer, they put all their big guns out in a few months. Yes, "Harry Potter", "Pirates" and "Transformers" are solid competitors but others like "Green Lantern" and "Thor" are question marks. "X-Men" usually does OK but not great lately. Last summer the thing that saved Hollywood was family films and there's more next summer (there has to be a place to take the kids, especially when vacations are out of reach during tough times). I think people don't have the money for all the films they want to see and they're going to choose. There's a lot of bucks on the line for these movies and they're not all going to win, but that's true every summer (I think people are going to get "superhero fatigue" real soon).
Obviously the big event is the last "Harry Potter". "Rise of the Apes" might benefit from that in having one of the core actors from that in the cast (Tom Felton). I think most people assume Harry will take the summer but we'll see what happens.


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What exactly does he mean by bloodbath? And why does he think this? He really doesn't explain the logic of his thinking at all.

Summer 2011 may be a "blood bath", but "Rise of the Apes" only has to worry about it's own acre. Who will it go up against?

June 17: The weekend before "Rise", uh, rises, "The Green Lantern" shines his light. Will he be a juggernaut or be extinguished fairly quickly?

June 24: "Rise of the Apes" vs. "Cars 2"

July 1st: "Transformers 3" and the Tom Hanks/Julia Roberts vehicle "Larry Crowne" (Hanks goes back to school but he's no Rodney Dangerfield)

July 8: "Zookeeper" (a big Kevin James comedy that sounds kinda "Dr. Dolittle"; animals help their zookeeper find love)

July 15: By the time the final "Harry Potter" and the "Winnie the Pooh" movie come out, "Rise of the Apes" ' fate will pretty much be written.

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My two main choices for contenders there would be Rise of the apes and The green lantern,I don't have much interest in the others ,being an old dc comics fan the green lantern appeals to me but the apes get the prize banana with me ,Graham W

*** I agree... I don't see Blu-Ray (or DVD) going anywhere soon... I know I
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> I don't agree with him about DVDs and Blu-rays. Digital downloading
> simply doesn't deliver the kind of picture and sound quality you get from
> Blu-rays. Also, film buffs like have a favorite movie in a package, with extras
> and such. It may become a very niche market, which DVDs are already
> becoming with the studio's "burn-on-demand" programs, but I see Blu-rays being
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*** I thought it'd be a bloodbath from all the people smashing their heads
against the wall after the agony of sitting thru another "Potter" or
"Pirates" film... ***



In a message dated 11/3/2010 10:16:34 AM Central Standard Time,
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> He means all the big movies week after week, proven franchises.




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Peter Chernin was a very big cheese at 20th Century Fox and then it's parent company News Corp. Indeed, he was # 2 behind the mighty founder Rupert Murdoch. He left in 2009 when it was obvious he didn't have any further to go (Murdoch's children will inherit the top spots in the company). As part of his "golden parachute" Chernin was guaranteed a minimum number of movies as a producer. Among the projects he inherited was the new POTA . Thus "Rise of the Apes" is the first movie that will be released from his new production company Chernin Entertainment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Chernin

But beating "Apes" to the punch is Chernin's first TV show. He's co-producing the show "Terra Nova" with Steven Spielberg. It's about people in the dying world of 2149 who have the technology to go back to the prehistoric past (dinosaurs!) and start over. Kinda sounds like "Avatar" in reverse, and even has "Avatar" 's Stephen Lang (the crazy Patton dude) in the cast. It follows a family who is part of one of the expeditions ("Land of the Lost", anyone?). Anyway, it's a fairly ambitious series and shows that Chernin wants to make a big splash as a producer, an attitude that might also be part of the equation of "Rise of the Apes". Though some might not be thrilled with a "suit" as a producer. The pilot for "Terra Nova" is scheduled for May 2011, a month before "Rise", and then the series will begin Fall 2011.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/what-is-going-on-with-foxs-terra-nova/

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The idea actually sounds ludicrous. Going back in your own planets history to start over? Why prehistoric times, because the kiddies will dig the dinos? What about time paradoxes? Changing the future. Did none of these people ever read "A Sound of Thunder?" (and avoid the terrible film of the same name).

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> Peter Chernin was a very big cheese at 20th Century Fox and then it's parent company News Corp. Indeed, he was # 2 behind the mighty founder Rupert Murdoch. He left in 2009 when it was obvious he didn't have any further to go (Murdoch's children will inherit the top spots in the company). As part of his "golden parachute" Chernin was guaranteed a minimum number of movies as a producer. Among the projects he inherited was the new POTA . Thus "Rise of the Apes" is the first movie that will be released from his new production company Chernin Entertainment.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Chernin
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> But beating "Apes" to the punch is Chernin's first TV show. He's co-producing the show "Terra Nova" with Steven Spielberg. It's about people in the dying world of 2149 who have the technology to go back to the prehistoric past (dinosaurs!) and start over. Kinda sounds like "Avatar" in reverse, and even has "Avatar" 's Stephen Lang (the crazy Patton dude) in the cast. It follows a family who is part of one of the expeditions ("Land of the Lost", anyone?). Anyway, it's a fairly ambitious series and shows that Chernin wants to make a big splash as a producer, an attitude that might also be part of the equation of "Rise of the Apes". Though some might not be thrilled with a "suit" as a producer. The pilot for "Terra Nova" is scheduled for May 2011, a month before "Rise", and then the series will begin Fall 2011.
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> http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/what-is-going-on-with-foxs-terra-nova/

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I've been reading issue 44 of the excellent BackIssue mag , a Spider-Man special (highly recommended if you're a webhead)and in it there's an article on the live action Spidey series from the late 70s starring Nicholas Hammond.The article says the Spidey pilot was CBS' biggest hit in 1977, but the studio were still not happy because too high a percentage of the audience was children.And so, due to lack of real impetus from the studio, the show declined and was cancelled.Very similar to the Apes tv series.I wonder if the same attitudes prevail today or does the kiddie buck smell just as sweet as the adult buck in this age of wealthy young 'uns? John, Scrolls.