Thanks, Kevin! I appreciate the comments, and am glad you're enjoying it. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
> I just recieved my copy of the book today and the bookand I have to thank Rich Hadley for this fine book, now I have to find a good spot for it.
>
> Kevin Harris
> PofTAfan
>

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Here's what Apemania offers:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Didn't Apemania work at restoring the statue, or was it the one Sammy Davis Jr. had that they restored? I believe the statue is made of fiberglass, which means it should hold up fairly well to rain. It's constant exposure to sun that I'd worry about.
>
> Apemania sells or used to sell exact reproductions of the statue, so they must have the original molds. I wonder how many they've sold? They also offered just the Lawgiver bust and just the face.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

Hi, Rory! I'm glad you're enjoying the book. Regarding the error--it's actually not. :)

Here's the first paragraph of the notes for the Marcus entry:
NOTE: According to The Ape (a mock herald published to promote the theatrical release of Planet) and the novel Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes (slated for publication in 2011), Marcus served as the chief of the Simian Secret Police. Other sources have also identified him as the leader of the Hunt Club, though Marcus and the Hunt Leader were played by different actors. Conspiracy will explain that the Hunt Club reported to Marcus.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I got mine literally within the hour (it's Saturday morning). I like all the illustrations and can't believe just how much "stuff" there is in the POTA universe.
>
> However, I'm sorry to have to say this, but I think I've already discovered an error.
>
> In the entry for "Marcus, Lieutenant/Police Chief" it's written that he was "chief of Ape City's Simian Secret Police. Where does this come from? Is it in one of the PLANET script draft's. The PLANET posters and ads called him "Head of Security Police," and he says "Security Police" to Zira when Taylor is captured in the net in the actual film.
>
> Also, "Simian Secret Police" is kind of silly, because it implies there are other kinds of Secret Police, such as Sapien Secret Police, or Equestrian Secret Police or some such.
>
> Anyway, nice book otherwise.
>
> -- Rory
>

And it not much of a 'secret' is it? :)

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:32 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes

>
> I got mine literally within the hour (it's Saturday morning). I
> like all the illustrations and can't believe just how much "stuff"
> there is in the POTA universe.
>
> However, I'm sorry to have to say this, but I think I've already
> discovered an error.
>
> In the entry for "Marcus, Lieutenant/Police Chief" it's written
> that he was "chief of Ape City's Simian Secret Police. Where does
> this come from? Is it in one of the PLANET script draft's. The
> PLANET posters and ads called him "Head of Security Police," and he
> says "Security Police" to Zira when Taylor is captured in the net
> in the actual film.
>
> Also, "Simian Secret Police" is kind of silly, because it implies
> there are other kinds of Secret Police, such as Sapien Secret
> Police, or Equestrian Secret Police or some such.
>
> Anyway, nice book otherwise.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

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he didn't list price,because he didn't want to be responsible for any heart attacks that may be caused:)   i know just table bust years ago was 2k ,no ideal how much now.

  they restored roddys and iys displayed outside ,it is perfect    goapebilly

 

In a message dated 12/11/2010 11:23:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

 

What?  No price list?

 

Hey, James, let's you and me go in on one of those full-size Lawgivers.

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LOL. True, it's not. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> And it not much of a 'secret' is it? :)
>
> Dario
>

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I wouldn't think either is head of the gorillas. They're each separate things. The hunts have nothing to do with the police.
Ursus seems to be higher up than either of them. The army is shown in "Beneath".


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:57 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes




Well, I'm not trying to start an argument, but I think it is an "error" to take as a source something from a film's publicity campaign rather than from the film itself. And I say the posters and ads from PLANET trump "The Ape" herald, but that's just me.

So, just for the record, in PLANET OF THE APES, Marcus (Bob Lombardo) says "Security Police" to Zira (Kim Hunter). (Also, it's Marcus who talks to Julius about getting Taylor ready for surgery too.) The Security Police are THE police in PLANET. There ain't any other police -- in fact, there isn't even an army, but let's not get into that.

And, of course, just who is the leader of the gorillas in PLANET, Marcus or the Hunt Club Leader? My position is that the Hunt Club would pre-date the Security Police because the apes would have had gorillas hunting humans long before the society set up a police force. The Hunt Leader also has more glyphs of his bandoleer, which could indicate a higher rank in the society, or it could mean a higher rank in the general order of the gorillas.

But the movie doesn't make any of this clear, so..... whatever!

-- Rory

Imdb lists Patrick Doyle as the composer for "Rise of the Apes". He did "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" and next summer's "Thor", among other things. Nothing that really rings my bell. I guess that's what I get for caring.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0236462/

Or maybe there is no gorilla "leader" in PLANET, as it seems they'd both
have their own commanders... They might not be connected... It seems like the
Security Police would be more to keep the apes in line, where the Hunt Club
would be to keep the human population in check... Both branches of the Apes
power structure, but each with it's own purpose...




In a message dated 12/11/2010 11:33:08 AM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> And, of course, just who is the leader of the gorillas in PLANET, Marcus
> or the Hunt Club Leader? My position is that the Hunt Club would pre-date
> the Security Police because the apes would have had gorillas hunting humans
> long before the society set up a police force. The Hunt Leader also has
> more glyphs of his bandoleer, which could indicate a higher rank in the
> society, or it could mean a higher rank in the general order of the gorillas.
>

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In a message dated 12/11/2010 1:50:41 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

> I wouldn't think either is head of the gorillas. They're each separate
> things. The hunts have nothing to do with the police.

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The "Rise of the Apes" composer (unless imdb got it wrong) seems to be well regarded. He's had a long association with director Kenneth Branagh, including his "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" (which featured POTA2001's Helena Bonham Carter; Arthur Jacobs developed an adaptation of the original "Frankenstein" novel but it was never made). He was the first composer for the "Harry Potter" series post-John Williams, which seems to be his biggest claim to fame. He seems to do more intimate movies, not the big blockbuster type. Take that as you will.

http://www.patrickdoylemusic.com/Patrick_Doyle_Music/Filmography.html"

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Here's some of Patrick "Rise of the Apes" Doyle's work, for those who are interested. You can listen to it while you're reading "Lexicon of the POTA". ; )

Doyle sampler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qPBS85sBWU

Frankenstein:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxTzHAZktbw

Harry Potter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwdJjueTdVI

Eragon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8fMnWMsbJw

Here's Charlton Heston in a scene from Kenneth Branagh's "Hamlet" (1996) with music by new "Apes" composer Patrick Doyle. Wouldest thou be interested or lament me as a fool? 'Tis off topic not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGXogOKLi6I

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Would love to have one made of something more durable.

Then again I wish my Maltese Falcon was made of lead.

Not enough to smelt lead though.  Jew encrusted gold...

Even better. 

 

If wishes were horses, talking apes would ride!

 

In a message dated 12/10/2010 6:06:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

plus it's most surely not made of marble or stone....probably fiberglass.....?
should be inside! protected!!

Tim

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Me too!

 

 

In a message dated 12/10/2010 8:37:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, billhollweg@... writes:

Please put me down for a copy Hunter.

Rob R

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If you do an investigation of Doyles work he did do alot of films and many good scores. In my opinion the choice of Tom Scott back in 72 would have garnered a grunt from people like us and to me as it turned out his score is generaly regarded as second to Goldsmiths original(read the CD notes and other articles). True we wanted a Howard Shore or something but this is proof that the film is a more intamate film like Escape ,based on Conquest, and the real action will not start until a sequel. Thats the rub also. And thats what gets us nervous I think. We will be their but without alot of pyrotechniques will the average moviegoer attend.
The way it seems and I hope im right is that Fox will go on a more cerebral path and the real action will take place on later films. If you look at the original Planet of the Apes, action is their, but its only an adjucnt to the storytelling and not what the film is all about. Will Fox care if this new film does not break all records and continue the series if its a good film and not let the dollar soley dictate where to take the series.
I know this sounds like wishfull thinking, and giving Foxes history, (on the surface) im probably wrong. If the series continues will the filmakers go witha more action oriented and higher posistioned music maker. These are all guesses and if the 2001 debacle is any indication what I just wrote is alot of "Hoga moga". Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Can't say I'm too excited by this. I'm not that familiar with Doyle's work, but nothing on his resume stands out as great film music. Am I wrong?
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 3:09 pm
> Subject: [pota] "Apes" composer revealed?
>
>
>
>
> Imdb lists Patrick Doyle as the composer for "Rise of the Apes". He did "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" and next summer's "Thor", among other things. Nothing that really rings my bell. I guess that's what I get for caring.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0236462/
>

If the police are out doing the hunting it must be a great day for ape criminals.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:27 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes






I wouldn't think either is head of the gorillas. They're each separate things. The hunts have nothing to do with the police.
Ursus seems to be higher up than either of them. The army is shown in "Beneath".




I say there wasn't a gorilla army in PLANET because the film was based on Boulle's book and in the book the ape society had no armies, just a world police force.

If you just look at PLANET itself, and forget all that came afterward and wasn't on anyone's mind when PLANET was created, why would the apes need an army?

You say the hunts had nothing to do with the police, but it's the police doing the hunts. I think the gorillas tended to be either police or laborers, such as Julius. As seen in the original film, it's the police that do the hunting, not gorillas dressed like laborers.

The only other connection I see is that Doyle is part of the British film community and so is "Rise" director Rupert Wyatt. He's a recent import. So I can see where he might have known Doyle or hung out in those circles. Doyle also did Fox's craptastic dragon movie "Eragon" so there's another connection.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:02 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" composer revealed?



If you do an investigation of Doyles work he did do alot of films and many good scores. In my opinion the choice of Tom Scott back in 72 would have garnered a grunt from people like us and to me as it turned out his score is generaly regarded as second to Goldsmiths original(read the CD notes and other articles). True we wanted a Howard Shore or something but this is proof that the film is a more intamate film like Escape ,based on Conquest, and the real action will not start until a sequel. Thats the rub also. And thats what gets us nervous I think. We will be their but without alot of pyrotechniques will the average moviegoer attend.
The way it seems and I hope im right is that Fox will go on a more cerebral path and the real action will take place on later films. If you look at the original Planet of the Apes, action is their, but its only an adjucnt to the storytelling and not what the film is all about. Will Fox care if this new film does not break all records and continue the series if its a good film and not let the dollar soley dictate where to take the series.
I know this sounds like wishfull thinking, and giving Foxes history, (on the surface) im probably wrong. If the series continues will the filmakers go witha more action oriented and higher posistioned music maker. These are all guesses and if the 2001 debacle is any indication what I just wrote is alot of "Hoga moga". Take care, John M.

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Without access to the original molds, just having someone make a replica
sculpt is a likely scenario.

Whatever happened to Sammy's statue? I recall that after he died there
was a lot of unpaid taxes and the feds came in and took almost all his
possessions and sold them off at an auction. It was quite messy and made
the news because they even took most of his photographs leaving very few
for his widow.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:21 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Hollywood Treasures

>
> It says there were two Lawgivers used in filming. That's not true.
> Sammy's was made after the fact. Gogin's (not Grogan) is the one
> from Natalie used in the filming.
>
> If Sammy's was made afterward, then the studio still had molds for
> the statue. I wonder if anything new was made during the
> production of BENEATH? Obviously the molds must have been
> destroyed at some point.
>
> I wonder, though, what Apemania did in order to offer copies of the
> statue? Did they cast new molds from Sammy's copy?
>

Here's an interview with the new "Apes" composer (2 pages) from 3 years ago where he ends by saying he'd love to do a sci-fi film.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_goblet_of_fire/news/1698240/composer_patrick_doyle_the_rt_interview

I just got my copy a day ago & am up to C. A brilliant engrossing work, its far superior to Alphacontrolpress's Lost In Space encyclopedia. I'd put it in the same shelf with The Star Trek And Star Wars Encyclopedias! Hell, its the Encyclopedia Britannica of Apes information! The one thing I would have liked was to name the actors. But Rich had to leave something for a second edition. Bravo! Great Job! Even better than timeline!

Thanks so much! That is very high praise, and it's MUCH appreciated. Mind if I quote you on the site as a testimonial?

I did toy with the idea of including actors, writers, etc. The problem was what that would have done to the book, which was already 422 pages. I was trying to keep the cost and size down as much as possible, so I decided to keep in in-universe. I hope not having the actors mentioned wasn't too much of an annoyance. :)

Thanks again!
Rich

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Supreme Dalek" <serenity1960@...> wrote:
>
> I just got my copy a day ago & am up to C. A brilliant engrossing work, its far superior to Alphacontrolpress's Lost In Space encyclopedia. I'd put it in the same shelf with The Star Trek And Star Wars Encyclopedias! Hell, its the Encyclopedia Britannica of Apes information! The one thing I would have liked was to name the actors. But Rich had to leave something for a second edition. Bravo! Great Job! Even better than timeline!
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

> Well, I'm not trying to start an argument,

Oh, I know. I'm fine with the feedback. :)

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Very, very minor annoyance since I can always look up the actor (when I'm not feeling lazy) on IMDB.com. As a published author myself (short stories) I like to see someone be successful. I hope this book sells big time. I've already posted a review at Amazon!
I'm devouring it with total interest and fun.
Query: Anyone have any plans for releasing the Malibus in a Trade? Or the Dark Horses?

---- rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

> Thanks so much! That is very high praise, and it's MUCH appreciated. Mind if I quote you on the site as a testimonial?
>
> I did toy with the idea of including actors, writers, etc. The problem was what that would have done to the book, which was already 422 pages. I was trying to keep the cost and size down as much as possible, so I decided to keep in in-universe. I hope not having the actors mentioned wasn't too much of an annoyance. :)
>
> Thanks again!
> Rich
>

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Love that homepage pic. Very nicely done!!

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Very interesting Debbie Reynolds shot with the Beneath publicity and two apes. I thought I had everything, do you know the details on that shot, thanks William, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, i found 2 matte shots from beneath enjoy from william burge
>

There was apparently an event to celebrate the blu-ray release of "Space: 1999" and apparently FX legend Douglas Trumbull was there and apparently said that Warner Bros. has found 17 minutes of lost "2001" footage in their salt mine. This is big news in the world of sci-fi. That gives those who are bored by the movie 17 more minutes to catch up on their sleep. Unfortunately Trumbull said Warners has stopped that totally rocking "2001" documentary he was working on that I brought up a while back.
"2001" is POTA's 1968 little brother. They linked arms and said, "We are not afraid (except HAL). Sci-fi is here to stay". They pushed open the door so George Lucas could squeeze in. "2001" was the last movie Arthur Jacobs watched before his death. On-topicish. Thanks to thedigitalbits for the heads up.

http://www.eagletransporter.com/forum/showpost.php?p=235659&postcount=4

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Thanks Dave!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Love that homepage pic. Very nicely done!!
>
> Dave B
>

Beneath's premiere was a charity event

I would speculate that the Debbie Reynolds pic was from that event.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Very interesting Debbie Reynolds shot with the Beneath publicity and two apes. I thought I had everything, do you know the details on that shot, thanks William, John M.
>

Thanks to James Aquila, his 2011 Apes Calendar, celebrating ESCAPE
FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, is available for download from my Apes
site.

Also, many thanks to M. Harraway, scans of the UK home video releases
of the APES movies are now available for your viewing pleasure, along
with a scan of a signed photo of Lee Delano. More will be added soon.

https://pota.goatley.com/

Hunter
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Thankyou. The 3 sheet is a much better poster than the 1 sheet. The 6 sheet is similiar to the 1 sheet. Alittle boring and dull in my opinion. Take Care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear john m , that photo came out a movie magazine , the story on the photo is in beverly hills, california on may 17, 1970 the beverly theatre had a charity opening of beneath and debbie reynolds was at the opening. behide her looks like a six sheet poster of the film. from william burge
>

> Also, many thanks to M. Harraway, scans of the UK home video releases
> of the APES movies are now available for your viewing pleasure, along
> with a scan of a signed photo of Lee Delano. More will be added soon.

Also thanks to M. Harraway, I've added scans of the UK paperback
release of MONKEY PLANET and, drumroll, please, a poster for the UK
Stage Shows!

https://pota.goatley.com/

Hunter

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks to James Aquila, his 2011 Apes Calendar, celebrating ESCAPE
> FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, is available for download from my Apes
> site.
>
> Also, many thanks to M. Harraway, scans of the UK home video releases
> of the APES movies are now available for your viewing pleasure, along
> with a scan of a signed photo of Lee Delano. More will be added soon.
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
> ------
> Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
> goathunter@... http://www.goatley.com/hunter/
>

On your website it says: "James Aquila has contributed a 2010 Calendar to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Escape from the Planet of the Apes."

Shouldn't that read "contributed a 2011 Calendar"?

Still, thanks for hosting that calendar. It looks neat.


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> Shouldn't that read "contributed a 2011 Calendar"?

2010, 2011.... What's the difference? ;-)

Thanks. I've corrected the front page (I had it right on the "Fan
Projects" page).

Hunter

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Universal and Sy Fy (formerly the Sci-Fi Channel) will join together to create Sy Fy Films, and hope to start producing two genre films a year by 2012. Obviously they don't have the rights to POTA but they've done some good work on the home screen and maybe they'll raise the current very low bar on the big screen for sci-fi movies. They've been pretty ambitious, trying to do faithful adaptations of the "Dune" novels (Arthur Jacobs was the first to try to go there) and the terrific redo of "Battlestar Galactica", which won a Peabody Award and was even invited to the U.N. I'd be interested to see what they could do on the big screen.
The Sci-Fi Channel was also very good to POTA, showing the TV series (including the "lost" episodes) when they couldn't be seen anywhere else and enlisting Roddy McDowall to host POTA Week. Good luck Sy Fy!

http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/universal-makes-genre-bid-with-syfy-films/

Remember when Sci-Fi Channel used to have good programming? What the heck happened to that channel? Wrestling... fake psychics... fake ghost hunters... incredibly awful horror films with titles like "Son of Octosaurus Vs. Giant Pythonstrictor"... and very little actual science fiction. I miss the good ol' days, when the channel was actually about sci-fi.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Universal and Sy Fy (formerly the Sci-Fi Channel) will join together to create Sy Fy Films, and hope to start producing two genre films a year by 2012. Obviously they don't have the rights to POTA but they've done some good work on the home screen and maybe they'll raise the current very low bar on the big screen for sci-fi movies. They've been pretty ambitious, trying to do faithful adaptations of the "Dune" novels (Arthur Jacobs was the first to try to go there) and the terrific redo of "Battlestar Galactica", which won a Peabody Award and was even invited to the U.N. I'd be interested to see what they could do on the big screen.
> The Sci-Fi Channel was also very good to POTA, showing the TV series (including the "lost" episodes) when they couldn't be seen anywhere else and enlisting Roddy McDowall to host POTA Week. Good luck Sy Fy!
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/universal-makes-genre-bid-with-syfy-films/
>

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:11 AM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Remember when Sci-Fi Channel used to have good programming? What the heck happened to that channel? Wrestling... fake psychics... fake ghost hunters... incredibly awful horror films with titles like "Son of Octosaurus Vs. Giant Pythonstrictor"... and very little actual science fiction. I miss the good ol' days, when the channel was actually about sci-fi.

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On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:03 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Remember when Sci-Fi Channel used to have good programming? What the heck happened to that channel? Wrestling... fake psychics... fake ghost hunters... incredibly awful horror films with titles like "Son of Octosaurus Vs. Giant Pythonstrictor"... and very little actual science fiction. I miss the good ol' days, when the channel was actually about sci-fi.

You forgot to mention commercials up the ying yang! I can't stand to watch it and AMC because of all the damn commercials. I have to DVR things and watch them later so I can scan through the crap.

And when did Sci-Fi become Sy Fy? How stupid is that? They might as well just call it "Yet another craptastic channel showing yet more craptastic programming for the craptastically indiscriminating brain dead."

-- Rory

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The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

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The same thing that's happened to the rest of TV. Cheap programming that people watch. Maybe that's why they changed their name from "Sci-Fi" to Sy Fy; gives them a little more wiggle room.


From: rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:11 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Sy Fy to make feature films



Remember when Sci-Fi Channel used to have good programming? What the heck happened to that channel? Wrestling... fake psychics... fake ghost hunters... incredibly awful horror films with titles like "Son of Octosaurus Vs. Giant Pythonstrictor"... and very little actual science fiction. I miss the good ol' days, when the channel was actually about sci-fi.

As I read through this - learning many fun & previously unknown facts about POTA, I've come - sherlockian - to a few conclusions:
1 - is even though they sound horrible, I wish I had read the Malibu Apes comics.
2 - sadly, nothing will ever convince me that Revolution on the planet of the apes (which I did read) was anything but terrible. It violated far too much of the apes continuity.
3 - I'm really glad neither Hamms or Hays movies ever got made. Burtons movie was bad, but these were simply horrible ideas.
So what's the next book Rich?

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Supreme Dalek" <serenity1960@...> wrote:

> As I read through this - learning many fun
> & previously unknown facts about POTA, I've
> come - sherlockian - to a few conclusions:

Cool! That was the whole point of it. :)

> 1 - even though they sound horrible, I wish I
> had read the Malibu Apes comics.

You know, they're really not bad. I know they get trashed a lot--and abominations like the Ape Nation and Ape City miniseries deserve it--but Malibu also did a lot of good work. Sins of the Father, Countdown Zero and Urchak's Folly were particularly good, as was the opening storyline of the monthly series. I recommend tracking them down--you might even be able to find torrents of the entire run online.

> 2 - sadly, nothing will ever convince me that
> Revolution on the planet of the apes (which I
> did read) was anything but terrible. It violated
> far too much of the apes continuity.

As for me, I loved it, and I really wish the sequel, Empire on the Planet of the Apes, had been made. But I know it's not everyone's cup of tea.

> 3 - I'm really glad neither Hamms or Hays movies
> ever got made. Burtons movie was bad, but these
> were simply horrible ideas.

Dude, I know. Seriously awful.

> So what's the next book Rich?

I'm glad you asked. :) My next pair of books will likely be about the Back to the Future universe.

In a message dated 12/15/2010 1:21:20 PM Central Standard Time,
serenity1960@... writes:

> As I read through this - learning many fun & previously unknown facts
> about POTA, I've come - sherlockian - to a few conclusions:
> 1 - is even though they sound horrible, I wish I had read the Malibu Apes
> comics.

*** I've read a few of them and they are horrible... However, I do have the
complete set of them because, bad as the content was, I like "some" of te
covers... They're pretty easy (and cheap) to get on eBay though... Or maybe
Hoknes could set you up with some of them? ***

> 2 - sadly, nothing will ever convince me that Revolution on the planet of
> the apes (which I did read) was anything but terrible. It violated far too
> much of the apes continuity.

*** I'm with you on this ... Too much "continuity violation" and too many
"cute refererences" made it a bad read all around... ***</HTML>

That's why I don't watch TV anymore. I stick to DVDs. At this point, the only show I still watch is The Walking Dead, which just finished its first season. Otherwise, there is not a single TV show I watch.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The same thing that's happened to the rest of TV. Cheap programming that people watch. Maybe that's why they changed their name from "Sci-Fi" to Sy Fy; gives them a little more wiggle room.
>
>
>

Finally! At long last, after all the years of vague innuendo and rumor, Fox has unearthed the missing footage from the original ending to the first POTA film. Check out this still:

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq246/VIsraWratS/planetoftheapesending.jpg

I think it would have been epic. I hope the upcoming Blu-ray re-release contains this lost footage!

The "SyFy" channel stinks. THey're barely SF at all anymore. When was the last time they did anything with POTA involved? They don't even show the crappy Burton movie. They've abandoned their SF roots. I could easily see the horrid Skyline being a "SYFY" production. Bleah to them.

---- "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> Universal and Sy Fy (formerly the Sci-Fi Channel) will join together to create Sy Fy Films, and hope to start producing two genre films a year by 2012. Obviously they don't have the rights to POTA but they've done some good work on the home screen and maybe they'll raise the current very low bar on the big screen for sci-fi movies. They've been pretty ambitious, trying to do faithful adaptations of the "Dune" novels (Arthur Jacobs was the first to try to go there) and the terrific redo of "Battlestar Galactica", which won a Peabody Award and was even invited to the U.N. I'd be interested to see what they could do on the big screen.
> The Sci-Fi Channel was also very good to POTA, showing the TV series (including the "lost" episodes) when they couldn't be seen anywhere else and enlisting Roddy McDowall to host POTA Week. Good luck Sy Fy!
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/universal-makes-genre-bid-with-syfy-films/
>
>

I agree that it stinks. I prefered it back when it was an independent channel.

---- rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

> Remember when Sci-Fi Channel used to have good programming? What the heck happened to that channel? Wrestling... fake psychics... fake ghost hunters... incredibly awful horror films with titles like "Son of Octosaurus Vs. Giant Pythonstrictor"... and very little actual science fiction. I miss the good ol' days, when the channel was actually about sci-fi.
>
>

I'm right there with ya Rich!

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:35 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

That's why I don't watch TV anymore. I stick to DVDs. At this point, the only show I still watch is The Walking Dead, which just finished its first season. Otherwise, there is not a single TV show I watch.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>

> The same thing that's happened to the rest of TV. Cheap programming that people watch. Maybe that's why they changed their name from "Sci-Fi" to Sy Fy; gives them a little more wiggle room.
>
>
>

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"The Walking Dead"? Bear McCreary does the music for that show, as he did Sy Fy's aforementioned "Battlestar Galactica". That's who I've been nominating to do the music for the new "Apes". But do I get what I want? NO! >: (
But hey, that's all right. Rock on, Bear, rock on. ; )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpyDMxTZyo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RqYwOTJK-4


From: rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:35 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Sy Fy to make feature films



That's why I don't watch TV anymore. I stick to DVDs. At this point, the only show I still watch is The Walking Dead, which just finished its first season. Otherwise, there is not a single TV show I watch.

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*** While you're right about the programming having gone down hill, The
Sci-Fi Channel was never really an "independent"... They were/are owned by the
USA Network... That's also part of the reason they started showing
wrestling: Cross network programming...

As to their name change, it was changed to Sy Fy so it's a name they can
"own", (the old name Sci Fi is too general of a term to claim ownership of)
and they also changed it to attract audiences who'd normally never watch the
network due to the stigma around the old Sci Fi name... ***




In a message dated 12/15/2010 6:30:24 PM Central Standard Time,
serenity1960@... writes:

> I agree that it stinks. I prefered it back when it was an independent
> channel.
>

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I enjoyed the Revolution comics. True they screwed a lot of details up, but it was a sincere effort and enjoyable plot. Better than what Malibu did in the '90s and most of the stuff Marvel did like apes on boats and brains in jars.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
>
>
> > 2 - sadly, nothing will ever convince me that Revolution on the planet of
> > the apes (which I did read) was anything but terrible. It violated far too
> > much of the apes continuity.
>
> *** I'm with you on this ... Too much "continuity violation" and too many
> "cute refererences" made it a bad read all around... ***</HTML>
>

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
pota group:

What was your favorite POTA comic?

o Marvel's Terror series
o Marvel's Future History Chronicles
o Marvel's Derick Zane Adventures
o Malibu's POTA series
o Malibu's Ape Nation miniseries
o Malibu's Urchak's Folly miniseries
o Malibu's Ape City miniseries
o Malibu's Blood of the Apes miniseries
o Mr. Comics' Revolution miniseries
o None of the Above


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=3015941

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

I loved Revolution. I know that some of the people did not like them
taking liberties with some aspects (gorilla's in fighter jets) but I
didn't have much of a problem with that. There was a huge gap in the
timeline between Conquest and Battle where it was obvious that a lot of
things happened in the interim. Revolution filled that gap, whether you
liked their decisions or not.

But I think what I really liked about the series was that it was very
dark and edgy which was where the movie series left off viewers at the
climax of Conquest.

I also really liked the back stories in Revolution, the story about
Taylor's daughter being my favorite. Many people complained that it did
not fit in with the cannon as we knew it (ie Taylor even having a
daughter). But as the story was presented, it was a perfectly possible
scenario and could even explain Taylor's downbeat take on humanity in POTA.

My favorite comic series will always be Terror, which aside from being
great on it's own merits, was the series I grew up with. But Revolution
comes in a close second.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:44 am
Subject: [pota] Re: lexicon of the planet of the apes

>
> I enjoyed the Revolution comics. True they screwed a lot of details
> up,but it was a sincere effort and enjoyable plot. Better than what
> Malibudid in the '90s and most of the stuff Marvel did like apes on
> boats and
> brains in jars.
>

Ape Nation and Ape City? Heh heh--I'll be interested in seeing if anyone chooses those two, as I consider them two of the three worst POTA comics ever published. The third is Apeslayer. Oddly enough, the three comics I consider the worst are all of those with names that begin with "Ape."

The original director of POTA. Not to mention all the movies he actually DID make.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/r-I-p-blake-edwards/

*** I'll give you that, REVOLUTION is/was better then the ADVENTURE stuff
and the bulk of the "original" MARVEL material... But to me, those brains in
jars, etc. aren't all that different than apes all of a sudden having the
ability to fly planes in REVOLUTION... Just because it's a story done in comic
form doesn't mean it has to be a "comic" story... ***




In a message dated 12/16/2010 8:44:21 AM Central Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> I enjoyed the Revolution comics. True they screwed a lot of details up,
> but it was a sincere effort and enjoyable plot. Better than what Malibu did
> in the '90s and most of the stuff Marvel did like apes on boats and brains
> in jars.

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*** I'll give REVOLUTION this much: I liked some of the artwork... ***




In a message dated 12/16/2010 10:38:14 AM Central Standard Time,
darios@... writes:

> I loved Revolution. I know that some of the people did not like them
> taking liberties with some aspects (gorilla's in fighter jets) but I
> didn't have much of a problem with that

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*** How about adding the MARVEL film adaptions to the list? I might vote
then... ***



In a message dated 12/16/2010 8:53:15 AM Central Standard Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

> What was your favorite POTA comic?
>
> o Marvel's Terror series
> o Marvel's Future History Chronicles
> o Marvel's Derick Zane Adventures
> o Malibu's POTA series
> o Malibu's Ape Nation miniseries
> o Malibu's Urchak's Folly miniseries
> o Malibu's Ape City miniseries
> o Malibu's Blood of the Apes miniseries
> o Mr. Comics' Revolution miniseries
> o None of the Above
>

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I must agree - I really hated Terror on the Planet of the Apes.

---- jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
> I enjoyed the Revolution comics. True they screwed a lot of details up,
> but it was a sincere effort and enjoyable plot. Better than what Malibu
> did in the '90s and most of the stuff Marvel did like apes on boats and
> brains in jars.
>

Thanks again for the feedback, Rory. This is now tweaked in the original file, in case there's ever a second edition. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I got mine literally within the hour (it's Saturday morning). I like all the illustrations and can't believe just how much "stuff" there is in the POTA universe.
>
> However, I'm sorry to have to say this, but I think I've already discovered an error.
>
> In the entry for "Marcus, Lieutenant/Police Chief" it's written that he was "chief of Ape City's Simian Secret Police. Where does this come from? Is it in one of the PLANET script draft's. The PLANET posters and ads called him "Head of Security Police," and he says "Security Police" to Zira when Taylor is captured in the net in the actual film.
>
> Also, "Simian Secret Police" is kind of silly, because it implies there are other kinds of Secret Police, such as Sapien Secret Police, or Equestrian Secret Police or some such.
>
> Anyway, nice book otherwise.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

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Rich, I received my copy today, and I am absolutely blown away!  I can't imagine the database you must have.  I read "Timeline" cover to cover twice, and now I'm going to start on this one.  I only have two words for it:  AWE - SOME!!  This will be a treasured piece in my collection.  What a wonderful Christmas present!  Thanks so much for all your hard work!  I'm sure Apes fans around the world will just love this book!

 

Jeff (RedSpy)

 

In a message dated 12/16/2010 18:23:34 Eastern Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

 

Thanks again for the feedback, Rory. This is now tweaked in the original file, in case there's ever a second edition. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I got mine literally within the hour (it's Saturday morning). I like all the illustrations and can't believe just how much "stuff" there is in the POTA universe.
>
> However, I'm sorry to have to say this, but I think I've already discovered an error.
>
> In the entry for "Marcus, Lieutenant/Police Chief" it's written that he was "chief of Ape City's Simian Secret Police. Where does this come from? Is it in one of the PLANET script draft's. The PLANET posters and ads called him "Head of Security Police," and he says "Security Police" to Zira when Taylor is captured in the net in the actual film.
>
> Also, "Simian Secret Police" is kind of silly, because it implies there are other kinds of Secret Police, such as Sapien Secret Police, or Equestrian Secret Police or some such.
>
> Anyway, nice book otherwise.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

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Thanks, man! I really appreciate the enthusiastic response, Jeff! :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, RedSpy13@... wrote:
>
> Rich, I received my copy today, and I am absolutely blown away! I can't
> imagine the database you must have. I read "Timeline" cover to cover twice,
> and now I'm going to start on this one. I only have two words for it:
> AWE - SOME!! This will be a treasured piece in my collection. What a
> wonderful Christmas present! Thanks so much for all your hard work! I'm sure
> Apes fans around the world will just love this book!
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
>

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It is well-deserved, Rich.  Bravo on such a fantastic job!  I can't wait to see what you do for "Back to the Future" now.  The attention to detail you put in these books is just absolutely amazing, and greatly entertaining!

 

Jeff (RedSpy)

 

In a message dated 12/16/2010 20:40:04 Eastern Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

 

Thanks, man! I really appreciate the enthusiastic response, Jeff! :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, RedSpy13@... wrote:
>
> Rich, I received my copy today, and I am absolutely blown away! I can't
> imagine the database you must have. I read "Timeline" cover to cover twice,
> and now I'm going to start on this one. I only have two words for it:
> AWE - SOME!! This will be a treasured piece in my collection. What a
> wonderful Christmas present! Thanks so much for all your hard work! I'm sure
> Apes fans around the world will just love this book!
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
>

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The wife and I almost watch nothing but VHS and DVD to.  We DVR six shows considering we have 400 channels that's pretty bad.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com

 

In a message dated 12/15/2010 1:13:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

That's why I don't watch TV anymore. I stick to DVDs. At this point, the only show I still watch is The Walking Dead, which just finished its first season. Otherwise, there is not a single TV show I watch.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The same thing that's happened to the rest of TV. Cheap programming that people watch. Maybe that's why they changed their name from "Sci-Fi" to Sy Fy; gives them a little more wiggle room.

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Thanks, man! My already oversized head is now even larger. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, RedSpy13@... wrote:
>
> It is well-deserved, Rich. Bravo on such a fantastic job! I can't wait
> to see what you do for "Back to the Future" now. The attention to detail
> you put in these books is just absolutely amazing, and greatly entertaining!
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
>

In my humble opinion all the Marvel story threads started off well but each succeeding 'chapter' was worse than the one before. It's a shame they didn't do more one-offs. So, when I vote for 'Terror' as my favorite I'm voting for those 1st few installments before all the psychedelic lunacy took center stage.

Then again... It was the 70's!

Dave

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I completely agree with you, Dave. I love how the Derek Zane story began, but it got loopy over time. Future History Chronicles started off very well, but got extremely weird by the later chapters. And Terror... oh, boy... I can only assume Moench was taking heavy daily doses of 'shrooms while writing that one.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
> In my humble opinion all the Marvel story threads started off well but each succeeding 'chapter' was worse than the one before. It's a shame they didn't do more one-offs. So, when I vote for 'Terror' as my favorite I'm voting for those 1st few installments before all the psychedelic lunacy took center stage.
>
> Then again... It was the 70's!
>
> Dave
>

Agreed. I should have clarified that I was speaking for the earlier
segments when I said Terror was my favorite. The conflict between
friends Jason and Alexander is probably the highlight of the series and
yet that is how the story line starts, not something that it builds up
to. I also liked Brutus. As a human hating gorilla, he topped even Ursus
and Urko. The 'brains in jars' aspect that so many people cite as the
tipping point where theseries lost credibility is actually something of
a staple in Science Fiction, but it just didn't belong in a POTA story.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: dave <smugster2000@...>
Date: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:44 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Marvel

> In my humble opinion all the Marvel story threads started off well
> but each succeeding 'chapter' was worse than the one before. It's a
> shame they didn't do more one-offs. So, when I vote for 'Terror' as
> my favorite I'm voting for those 1st few installments before all
> the psychedelic lunacy took center stage.
>
> Then again... It was the 70's!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>

Evolution's Nightmare was the best original story of the whole run.
A bit heavy handed on the morals, but well drawn and written.

---- dave <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> In my humble opinion all the Marvel story threads started off well but each succeeding 'chapter' was worse than the one before. It's a shame they didn't do more one-offs. So, when I vote for 'Terror' as my favorite I'm voting for those 1st few installments before all the psychedelic lunacy took center stage.
>
> Then again... It was the 70's!
>
> Dave
>
>