Happy Birthday Dave!

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Luiz Saulo Adami <apedami@...> wrote:

Happy birthday, Dave! God bless you!

Saulo Adami

From Brazil

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James, that must be a typo--it looks as though you're daring to suggest that a Marvel comic book movie could be lame.DC and Warners, yes.Marvel, no.As our Holy Lawgiver, Stan Lee sayeth--Face Front,True Believer!! Nuff said.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> My guess is that they found out they would be up against the next POTA
> movie and moved their lame comic book film out its way.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Earlier I brought up that "Dawn of the POTA" was screwed because it
> was going up against a Marvel super hero team (a la "The Avengers",
> which tore the box office a new one this summer). I was kidding, of
> course. A good POTA movie can take on all comers (if it's good). Anyway,
> it's a moot point since Marvel has moved their "untitled" secret project
> to August, long after "Dawn" has broken (unless "Dawn" is moved). What
> exactly Marvel has cooking for Summer 2014 won't be officially revealed
> until Comic-Con but the assumed title is "Guardians of the Galaxy".
> >
> >
> http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/disney-announces-release-date-change-for\
> -untitled-marvel-film/
> >
>

Thanks for the Birthday wishes!

I've already had my present... a visit to Lake Powell about a month ago!

And something just landed on my desk.... Ooohhhh... Krispy Kreme Donuts!

Dave

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I'm not daring to suggest anything. I'm saying that next to the new POTA film, a comic book movie is lame.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
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> James, that must be a typo--it looks as though you're daring to suggest that a Marvel comic book movie could be lame.DC and Warners, yes.Marvel, no.As our Holy Lawgiver, Stan Lee sayeth--Face Front,True Believer!! Nuff said.John, Scrolls.
>

Happy Birthday, Dave! We were all young once but you are here and it is now!

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Thanks, William,

Very much appreciated.

If images of the spacecraft at Lake Powell are your thing then web sites don't come any better than this one;

<http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ApesShip/PofA01.html">

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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> From: William Burge
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:40 AM
> Subject: happy birthday dave ballard
>
>
>
> dear dave, to give you a birthday gift i found two lake powell photos
> during the filming of planet of the apes in may 1967. have a great day
> from william
>

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Hmmmmmmm.....okay, you're spared target practice but will now be marked for experimental brain surgery.Can't say fairer than that.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not daring to suggest anything. I'm saying that next to the new POTA
> film, a comic book movie is lame.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > James, that must be a typo--it looks as though you're daring to
> suggest that a Marvel comic book movie could be lame.DC and Warners,
> yes.Marvel, no.As our Holy Lawgiver, Stan Lee sayeth--Face Front,True
> Believer!! Nuff said.John, Scrolls.
> >
>

Good morning! This week's issue of THE APE is now available.

Also, the penultimate chapter of Marvel's comic adaptation of "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" is now in the MARVEL ARCHIVE.

To view THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm.

To access the MARVEL ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• The Mendez Dynasty - Keepers of the Divine Bomb.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

Isn't it about time somebody produced a Dave Ballard Plush? Just imagine it, all soft and cuddly with that cherubic grin smiling back at you as you snuggle it in bed...hiding a malevolent, evil dark nature you only find out about when the lights go out.The James bobble Head and the Hunter Pez Dispenser will not be far behind.The Krueger Kondoms are still in development, however.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John B Kirtley" <johnbkirtley@...> wrote:
>
> Happy Birthday Dave Ballard
>
> Hope you have a great Birthday week
>
> John
>

Just been reading that Timmy Wimmy is looking at re-visiting Beetlejuice.In an infinite universe, held together now by the Higgs-Boson, there will be one reality where, in time, Burton re-visits HIS Planet of the Apes and makes it a musical with Johnny Depp in orange make-up and wild hair.Wish he'd done that first time around, actually.John, Scrolls.

James, your reference to the 'Crown Price' in THE APE's lead article,is strangely accurate, inasmuch as,last year, in times of austerity and despair, Prince Charles over here (or, to give him his correct name, Charles Saxe-Coburg Gotha--the family thought 'Windsor' might be more 'politic' in WW1)had an 11.8% INCREASE in his dole outs from the UK taxpayer.Come Caesar's impending revolution,he will be the first against the wall, after Batman.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Good morning! This week's issue of THE APE is now available.
>
> Also, the penultimate chapter of Marvel's comic adaptation of "Battle
> for the Planet of the Apes" is now in the MARVEL ARCHIVE.
>
> To view THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this
> link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm> .
>
> To access the MARVEL ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page
> or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more. * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All. * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius. * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil. * The Illustrated
> Monkey Planet <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm>
> - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel. *
> The Mendez Dynasty
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> - Keepers of
> the Divine Bomb. * POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot. * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members. * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
>

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I don't want to be rude, but...

Obviously since you read that somewhere, I can't possibly believe my own eyes.

Okay, I meant to be rude. But it was on video, Cougar. Did the Chimps get it wrong?

I guess the cameraman should have told the chimps they were getting it wrong.

I'll try to find the video of the chimp washing in the river. In the mean time enjoy

these Diving Monkeys . . .

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ObDgBLFo9w

 

 

In a message dated 7/3/2012 4:30:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Like I said, I've read that chimps
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Being just one shot in a documentary it's hard to find

the chimp sitting in the river and washing. I keep

getting the chimps doing the Riverdance.

 

 

In a message dated 7/3/2012 4:30:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

 

*** I'd be interested in seeing that... Like I said, I've read that chimps
can't swim so maybe they got that wrong? Or maybe "bathing" isn't the same
as "swimming"? ***

In a message dated 7/3/2012 4:03:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

> I think chimps can swim. It would just take training.
> I've seen footage of chimps bathing in a river, and
> a monkey who dives under water to forage for
> food
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You can read that? The larger I make it the blurrier

it gets, especially part 1. You must have a great monitor.

 

 

In a message dated 7/3/2012 10:41:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  I didn't read that article until now. Joyce Haber played Zelda!

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No, I have an average monitor. You must have a crappy monitor.


From: LordTZer0@...
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 10:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Open wide, "Conquest"!





You can read that? The larger I make it the blurrier
it gets, especially part 1. You must have a great monitor.


In a message dated 7/3/2012 10:41:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
I didn't read that article until now. Joyce Haber played Zelda!

Just sayin'.

http://srbissette.com/?p=10408

http://srbissette.com/?p=15042

Apes will play, wade, and bathe in the water. Some even dog paddle, but actually swimming is not physically "possible"

On Jul 6, 2012 12:42 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

I don't want to be rude, but...

Obviously since you read that somewhere, I can't possibly believe my own eyes.

Okay, I meant to be rude. But it was on video, Cougar. Did the Chimps get it wrong?

I guess the cameraman should have told the chimps they were getting it wrong.

I'll try to find the video of the chimp washing in the river. In the mean time enjoy

these Diving Monkeys . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ObDgBLFo9w

In a message dated 7/3/2012 4:30:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Like I said, I've read that chimps
can't swim so maybe they got that wrong?

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It's an Apple, so I guess so.

 

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Don't speak to me in absolutes.

 

 

In a message dated 7/6/2012 4:11:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, skintricks62@... writes:

Apes will play, wade, and bathe in the water.  Some even dog paddle, but actually swimming is not physically "possible"

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I know apes drown. Not the point I was making.

If you make a special mask and trained them

from birth not to be afraid of water, I'm sure

they could swim. Not that they would

naturally. Just that they could do it.

 

 

In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:02:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

 

Apes will play, wade, and bathe in the water.  Some even dog paddle, but actually swimming is not physically "possible"

From "Tarzan, My Father" by Johnny Weismuller, Jr. (2002):

 

As Dad remembered it, they were shooting some scenes in a pond near the Santa Anita racetrack.  He was rowing a canoe to the other side of the pond, and Cheeta was perched near the bow.  When they came close to shore, Cheeta mistook the green algae near the bank for solid ground.  The next thing Dad knew, the chimp's head was a couple feet under water, and his hairy arms were desperately reaching for the sky.  A few seconds later, Cheeta sank completely, and the only sign left of him was a big air bubble.  Dad pulled the canoe alongside the bubble, reached down, grabbed the chimp by the scruff of his neck, and pulled him into the boat.  He said that fifty pounds of monkey clung to him like a wet rag for the next hour and a half, and from that day on Cheeta and "Tarzan" were inseparable.

 

There were many chimpanzees named Cheeta during the sixteen years of Tarzan films, but there was really only one as far as Dad was concerned, and that was his "swimming buddy."  After "aquatic" Cheeta retired to the Los Angeles Zoo, my father went often to visit him.  He said that when Cheeta died it was almost like losing a son.

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It's strange that there are so few working actors

and yet, because of shooting schedules, some of

them never meet even though they appeared in the

same film together.  Heston didn't recognized Kim

at the premiere because she wasn't in ape makeup. 

 

 

 

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From: William Burge [billburge48@...]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: beneath connection

dear group,   during when  beneath came  in the summer of 1970  later  in october 1970   heston and james gregory  who played gen ursus  was in a film called the hawaiians .   from william

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It seems that Boom! is replacing the current monthly POTA comic by Daryl Gregory with POTA: Cataclysm by Gabriel Hardman, the writer of the Betrayal and Exile miniseries. Gregory confirmed this on twitter a few days ago: https://twitter.com/darylwriterguy/status/220973060679938049

I can't say I'm suprized by this. As much as comic book fans liked the Gregory comic, it left many hardcore POTA fans cold. The Betrayal and Exile comics have been much more warmly recieved by POTA fans. Hopefully the new monthly comic by Hardman will be as good as the two miniseries and last longer than 16 issues.

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Gabriel Hardman and Corinna Bechko ("POTA: Cataclysm") will be at the Vancouver Comic-Con tomorrow, July 8th. If anyone in the area wants to meet them or ask about the comics.

http://www.gabrielhardman.com/2012/07/vancouver-comic-con.html"


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:03 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Boom! ending Gregory POTA comic




It seems that Boom! is replacing the current monthly POTA comic by Daryl Gregory with POTA: Cataclysm by Gabriel Hardman, the writer of the Betrayal and Exile miniseries. Gregory confirmed this on twitter a few days ago: https://twitter.com/darylwriterguy/status/220973060679938049

I can't say I'm suprized by this. As much as comic book fans liked the Gregory comic, it left many hardcore POTA fans cold. The Betrayal and Exile comics have been much more warmly recieved by POTA fans. Hopefully the new monthly comic by Hardman will be as good as the two miniseries and last longer than 16 issues.

There's a terrific book about chimpanzees and their differences from humans called "Almost Chimpanzee" (a play on the idea that chimps are "almost human").
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/10/AR2010091002923.html"

In it the idea that chimps can't swim is brought up and the closest they get to it is that no one has taught a chimp to swim. Humans have to be taught to swim. Chimps can wade and even cross water up to their necks in zoos. We've taught them to ride bikes and skateboards and do other things they don't do in nature.
The author interviews Jo Fritz, who was hired by a family in the 1970's to teach their pet chimp Casey to swim. Casey wanted to join them in the pool. Fritz spent two 90 minute sessions trying to teach him but couldn't.
Fritz: "He wasn't terrorized of the water. He would laugh and splash people. But each time we would gently push the float out from underneath him, he'd just go down. There was never any conception that went through his mind that he could hold his head above water and dog paddle or that he could even try. He was at the age to learn if one was going to learn. Now hear me: I taught a 5 year old chimp to knit. If you can teach a 5 year old to knit, to take the stitch off the needle and put it on another needle, don't you think if their life was threatened by drowning they'd at least dog paddle? Casey didn't. And it has nothing to do with intelligence".


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 5:29 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Chimp muscles are longer, "thus stronger", but that means the...






I know apes drown. Not the point I was making.
If you make a special mask and trained them
from birth not to be afraid of water, I'm sure
they could swim. Not that they would
naturally. Just that they could do it.



I believe the great apes lack our buoyancy, but you're perfectly welcome to try and teach them, T. I think you'd be the first -- if you don't get your face ripped off, that is.

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Sure comic book fans are the main audience for comic books. But when a publishing company goes to the expense of buying a license for a franchise like POTA or Star Trek or Star Wars, there has to be some expectation to attract hardcore fans of that franchise. Otherwise why bother of the expense and legal hassle of the license. Why not just create something original that they would own outright if they just wanted to appeal to comic book fans only.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Gregory is slated to be at the Comic-Con POTA panel next weekend so maybe we'll get more details. Maybe he just wanted to move on.
> The main audience for comic books is comic book fans, not hardcore fans of a franchise.
>
>

There's a ton of comic books out there, so even among comic book fans a familiar title would probably catch the attention. And there's always the hope a famous title will sell some extra copies. But I don't know of a way to see how the comics sold over a period of time.
I admit that Gregory having to finish his story with a series of specials suggests he was shown the door, but we don't know that for sure.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:32 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Boom! ending Gregory POTA comic




Sure comic book fans are the main audience for comic books. But when a publishing company goes to the expense of buying a license for a franchise like POTA or Star Trek or Star Wars, there has to be some expectation to attract hardcore fans of that franchise. Otherwise why bother of the expense and legal hassle of the license. Why not just create something original that they would own outright if they just wanted to appeal to comic book fans only.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Gregory is slated to be at the Comic-Con POTA panel next weekend so maybe we'll get more details. Maybe he just wanted to move on.
> The main audience for comic books is comic book fans, not hardcore fans of a franchise.
>
>

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Is there a graphic novel compilation?

I'm not big into comics, so I don't want

to buy the whole series unless I can get

it in one go.  Do you get it direct from BOOM?

 

 

In a message dated 7/7/2012 4:04:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

 

It seems that Boom! is replacing the current monthly POTA comic by Daryl Gregory with POTA: Cataclysm by Gabriel Hardman, the writer of the Betrayal and Exile miniseries. Gregory confirmed this on twitter a few days ago: https://twitter.com/darylwriterguy/status/220973060679938049

I can't say I'm suprized by this. As much as comic book fans liked the Gregory comic, it left many hardcore POTA fans cold. The Betrayal and Exile comics have been much more warmly recieved by POTA fans. Hopefully the new monthly comic by Hardman will be as good as the two miniseries and last longer than 16 issues.

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You could put them in a BC vest then.

I'm not saying they could keep up with

Johnny Weissmüller. Just that they

could dive, if not outright swim.

As you've seen, monkeys do.

 

 

In a message dated 7/7/2012 8:16:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I believe the great apes lack our buoyancy, but you're perfectly welcome to try and teach them, T.  I think you'd be the first -- if you don't get your face ripped off, that is.

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True there are a ton of comic books out there. But would your average comic book fan drop one of their regular monthly titles to buy a comic based on a franchise that they may not be a fan of. Maybe, maybe not. Thus, when investing in a license from a third party, a publisher has to rely on attracting the fans of that franchise and not just generic comic book fans who may not be willing to forego buying that month's issue of Batman or X-Men or something else to buy your comic.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> There's a ton of comic books out there, so even among comic book fans a familiar title would probably catch the attention. And there's always the hope a famous title will sell some extra copies. But I don't know of a way to see how the comics sold over a period of time.
> I admit that Gregory having to finish his story with a series of specials suggests he was shown the door, but we don't know that for sure.
>
>

Betrayal is being issued as a graphic novel next month. It's available on Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/7degp8e
 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Is there a graphic novel compilation?
> I'm not big into comics, so I don't want
> to buy the whole series unless I can get
> it in one go. Do you get it direct from BOOM?
>
>
>

Well, all I can say is I've seen a lot of reviews on comic book websites where the reviewer is happy there's a new POTA comic (and gave the Gregory model a good review). So it seems many comic book fans are also POTA fans. POTA does have a history of comics, especially the Marvel years, which are well regarded. Even though a general POTA fan might be put off by the crazy stuff in them. Many comic book fans are general culture fans as well.
Familiarity sells.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:09 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Boom! ending Gregory POTA comic




True there are a ton of comic books out there. But would your average comic book fan drop one of their regular monthly titles to buy a comic based on a franchise that they may not be a fan of. Maybe, maybe not. Thus, when investing in a license from a third party, a publisher has to rely on attracting the fans of that franchise and not just generic comic book fans who may not be willing to forego buying that month's issue of Batman or X-Men or something else to buy your comic.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> There's a ton of comic books out there, so even among comic book fans a familiar title would probably catch the attention. And there's always the hope a famous title will sell some extra copies. But I don't know of a way to see how the comics sold over a period of time.
> I admit that Gregory having to finish his story with a series of specials suggests he was shown the door, but we don't know that for sure.
>
>

Exactly those reviews were on comic book websites, not on POTA sites. If you look at the various Yahoo! groups, Forum of the Apes, IMBD, etc. that are more focused on POTA; the reactions have been either total indifference to openly hostile.

And no one is saying that comic book fans can't be a POTA fans. They're not mutually exclusive. But they're on mutually inclusive either. I would bet many who say they are POTA fans are fans the way I'm a fan of 30 Rock. Sure I like the show and don't miss it when it's on TV; but I wouldn't spend a dime for a DVD of it or any other merchandise based on the show.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, all I can say is I've seen a lot of reviews on comic book websites where the reviewer is happy there's a new POTA comic (and gave the Gregory model a good review). So it seems many comic book fans are also POTA fans. POTA does have a history of comics, especially the Marvel years, which are well regarded. Even though a general POTA fan might be put off by the crazy stuff in them. Many comic book fans are general culture fans as well.
> Familiarity sells.
>
>

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I think if they knew sign language and it were explained

to them a certain percentage would get it. Some never would.

 

 

In a message dated 7/7/2012 10:41:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

There was never any conception that went through his mind

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Just wanted to thank the great Dave Ballard for the Dawn one sheet mock up currently on the group's Yahoo! homepage.

Anyone else who would link to design their own version of a one sheet for Dawn, please send it to me offline and we'll display it on the homepage as well.

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Thanks!  I see that Vols. 1 & 2 are offered in a package

deal with it. Any idea why vol. 2 is twice as much?

 

 

In a message dated 7/8/2012 10:15:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Betrayal is being issued as a graphic novel next month. It's available on Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/7degp8e

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Maybe it's twice as Apey! ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Thanks! I see that Vols. 1 & 2 are offered in a package
> deal with it. Any idea why vol. 2 is twice as much?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/8/2012 10:15:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> Betrayal is being issued as a graphic novel next month. It's available on
> Amazon: _http://tinyurl.com/7degp8e_ (http://tinyurl.com/7degp8e)
>

I think that's the point of this thread. The "comic book fans" seem to like the Gregory comic; the general POTA fans don't and prefer the "Betrayal" team. I'm just saying I don't think there's a lot of general POTA fans who visit comic book shops to buy POTA comics who wouldn't be there otherwise. Few POTA fans even buy the fanzines. Were sales of the Gregory comic hurt because general POTA fans didn't like it? I don't think it's a forgone conclusion. "Comic book fans" seem to like bigger flights of fancy and letting artists do their thing, and get less caught up on continuity and "canon" (superheroes are reinvented all the time).
Exhibit A is our own John Roche, who is a comic book guy and loved the Gregory comics. Personally, I prefer the Hardman/Bechko stuff but I enjoyed the Gregory stuff for what it is. I think a year and a half of the same writer & artist every month is plenty and I like seeing it changed up. Let H & B do it monthly for awhile and Gregory can do miniseries and it keeps it fresh.
I'm one of those guys who doesn't visit comic book shops but I will for a POTA title. But how many POTA fans do that? I still say the main audience is comic book fans and they seemed to like the Gregory book. But the G & H books got raves too. There's just not enough info on whether the Gregory book was a "flop".


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:16 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Boom! ending Gregory POTA comic




Exactly those reviews were on comic book websites, not on POTA sites. If you look at the various Yahoo! groups, Forum of the Apes, IMBD, etc. that are more focused on POTA; the reactions have been either total indifference to openly hostile.

And no one is saying that comic book fans can't be a POTA fans. They're not mutually exclusive. But they're on mutually inclusive either. I would bet many who say they are POTA fans are fans the way I'm a fan of 30 Rock. Sure I like the show and don't miss it when it's on TV; but I wouldn't spend a dime for a DVD of it or any other merchandise based on the show.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, all I can say is I've seen a lot of reviews on comic book websites where the reviewer is happy there's a new POTA comic (and gave the Gregory model a good review). So it seems many comic book fans are also POTA fans. POTA does have a history of comics, especially the Marvel years, which are well regarded. Even though a general POTA fan might be put off by the crazy stuff in them. Many comic book fans are general culture fans as well.
> Familiarity sells.
>
>

The basic point is that no one has tried to teach apes to swim with the regularity that they've been taught sign language or riding a bike. If there was a big effort to teach apes to swim, would they? Who knows?
That "Almost Chimpanzee" book mentioned the stock answer is that apes don't have enough fat but it's pointed out some of the best human swimmers have less fat. So whether or not apes could swim is an unanswered question.


From: LordTZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:17 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Chimp muscles are longer, "thus stronger", but that means the...





I think if they knew sign language and it were explained
to them a certain percentage would get it. Some never would.


In a message dated 7/7/2012 10:41:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
There was never any conception that went through his mind

The difference being you can watch a show on TV for free but if you want to read a comic book you have to buy it (or borrow it, I guess). Even if you're casually interested in a comic.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:16 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Boom! ending Gregory POTA comic




Exactly those reviews were on comic book websites, not on POTA sites. If you look at the various Yahoo! groups, Forum of the Apes, IMBD, etc. that are more focused on POTA; the reactions have been either total indifference to openly hostile.

And no one is saying that comic book fans can't be a POTA fans. They're not mutually exclusive. But they're on mutually inclusive either. I would bet many who say they are POTA fans are fans the way I'm a fan of 30 Rock. Sure I like the show and don't miss it when it's on TV; but I wouldn't spend a dime for a DVD of it or any other merchandise based on the show.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, all I can say is I've seen a lot of reviews on comic book websites where the reviewer is happy there's a new POTA comic (and gave the Gregory model a good review). So it seems many comic book fans are also POTA fans. POTA does have a history of comics, especially the Marvel years, which are well regarded. Even though a general POTA fan might be put off by the crazy stuff in them. Many comic book fans are general culture fans as well.
> Familiarity sells.
>
>

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Reality TV show, of course. How about "Survivor - Chimp Edition"?


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 12:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Chimp muscles are longer, "thus stronger", but that means the...




Why would anyone want to teach chimpanzees to swim in the first place? This whole thing is ridiculous. What's the end goal? A chimp frogman navy?

Somebody around here is smoking something.



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From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2012 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Chimp muscles are longer, "thus stronger", but that means the...



The basic point is that no one has tried to teach apes to swim with the regularity that they've been taught sign language or riding a bike. If there was a big effort to teach apes to swim, would they? Who knows?
That "Almost Chimpanzee" book mentioned the stock answer is that apes don't have enough fat but it's pointed out some of the best human swimmers have less fat. So whether or not apes could swim is an unanswered question.

AMAZING!!! Thanks for sharing.

2012/7/8, James <JamesA1102@...>:

> From: William Burge
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 7:21 PM
> Subject: rare planet photos 1967
>
>
>
> dear group, i found some more rare planet photos. enjoy from william
>
>

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I agree that the main audience for comic books is existing comic book fans--it's possibly a question of exposure.In the early 80s the direct market and specialy shops seemed the way forward, but I don't think anybody thought about how people would even KNOW about the comics if they weren't on shelves in ordinary shops.The Buffy and Firefly comics from the Whedon-verse may be one small exception to the rule where new readers discovered comics, but if even Batman,Star Trek and, for goodness' sake,Star Wars can't really sell in big numbers any more, then it's no surprise if other franchises have a tough time.Just one reason why it's good to buy the Apes comic and tell a friend.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> There's a ton of comic books out there, so even among comic book fans a familiar title would probably catch the attention. And there's always the hope a famous title will sell some extra copies. But I don't know of a way to see how the comics sold over a period of time.
> I admit that Gregory having to finish his story with a series of specials suggests he was shown the door, but we don't know that for sure.
>
>
> From: jamesa1102
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:32 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Boom! ending Gregory POTA comic
>
>
>
>
> Sure comic book fans are the main audience for comic books. But when a publishing company goes to the expense of buying a license for a franchise like POTA or Star Trek or Star Wars, there has to be some expectation to attract hardcore fans of that franchise. Otherwise why bother of the expense and legal hassle of the license. Why not just create something original that they would own outright if they just wanted to appeal to comic book fans only.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Gregory is slated to be at the Comic-Con POTA panel next weekend so maybe we'll get more details. Maybe he just wanted to move on.
> > The main audience for comic books is comic book fans, not hardcore fans of a franchise.
> >
> >
>

The DAWN Homepage is just insanely perfect.2014 is a bloody eternity away!!! Great work.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Just wanted to thank the great Dave Ballard for the Dawn one sheet mock
> up currently on the group's Yahoo! homepage.
>
> Anyone else who would link to design their own version of a one sheet
> for Dawn, please send it to me offline and we'll display it on the
> homepage as well.
>

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Here's some covers for the 2nd issue of BOOM!'s "POTA: Cataclysm". This is the second issue that has a cover depicting the destruction of the moon. I hope that's not part of the story (the moon being destroyed because there's "no moon"). There's no moon because of the cloud cover at night. The moon literally being destroyed would be ridiculous.

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.html Thanks to E. Francis Kohler, I've just added scans of the September 27, 1973, issue of Scholastic Scope magazine to my Apes site.  It features a shot from Battle on the cover and has an article about Battle.



https://pota.goatley.com/

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Here's another one...

<http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/10/planet-of-the-apes-where-did-the-moon-go-anyway/>

The cover for issue 1 shows an Alpha Omega device in-flight so I'm guessing that's gonna be the culprit. This all sounds very familiar and I'm getting a touch of Deja-vu.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's some covers for the 2nd issue of BOOM!'s "POTA: Cataclysm". This is the second issue that has a cover depicting the destruction of the moon. I hope that's not part of the story (the moon being destroyed because there's "no moon"). There's no moon because of the cloud cover at night. The moon literally being destroyed would be ridiculous.
>
> http://ifanboy.com/articles/first-look-planet-of-the-apes-cataclysm-2-covers/
>

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Yes it does sound very familiar.

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/CJ/CJ53.gif

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/ACC/ACC15.gif

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Here's another one...
>
> <http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/10/planet-of-the-apes-where-did-the-moon-go-anyway/>
>
> The cover for issue 1 shows an Alpha Omega device in-flight so I'm guessing that's gonna be the culprit. This all sounds very familiar and I'm getting a touch of Deja-vu.
>
> Dave
>

Even Alex Ross is in on it. These people need to take an astronomy class.


From: dave
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:44 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "POTA: Cataclysm" # 2 covers



Here's another one...

<http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/10/planet-of-the-apes-where-did-the-moon-go-anyway/>

The cover for issue 1 shows an Alpha Omega device in-flight so I'm guessing that's gonna be the culprit. This all sounds very familiar and I'm getting a touch of Deja-vu.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's some covers for the 2nd issue of BOOM!'s "POTA: Cataclysm". This is the second issue that has a cover depicting the destruction of the moon. I hope that's not part of the story (the moon being destroyed because there's "no moon"). There's no moon because of the cloud cover at night. The moon literally being destroyed would be ridiculous.
>
> http://ifanboy.com/articles/first-look-planet-of-the-apes-cataclysm-2-covers/
>

This takes the edge off of the world blowing up in "Beneath" since Earth wouldn't have been livable for very long with no moon anyway. It actually gives "Beneath" a happy ending because everyone goes quickly and doesn't have to suffer a slow end. I never thought "Beneath" would be "the feel good movie" of 1970.


From: dave
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:44 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "POTA: Cataclysm" # 2 covers



Here's another one...

<http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/10/planet-of-the-apes-where-did-the-moon-go-anyway/>

The cover for issue 1 shows an Alpha Omega device in-flight so I'm guessing that's gonna be the culprit. This all sounds very familiar and I'm getting a touch of Deja-vu.

Dave

These photos are some of the ones taken by Dennis Stock during filming. Has anyone else noticed that the actors in chimp makeup are in Arizona / Utah are not Roddy McDowall or Kim Hunter? Evidently, there were stand-ins in for some scenes, obviously for some of the horseback portions.

Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> From: William Burge
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:39 AM
> Subject: more rare planet photos
>
>
>
> dear group, i found some more rare planet photos enjoy from william
>

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I got my graphic novel of

BOOM! POTA The Long War.

We shall see how apey it is.

 

In a message dated 7/8/2012 11:27:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Maybe it's twice as Apey! ;-)

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I knew a guy who could take a lungful

of air and still sink like a stone, but he

could still swim. Not sure about apes.

 

 

In a message dated 7/8/2012 12:00:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

That "Almost Chimpanzee" book mentioned the stock answer is that apes don't have enough fat but it's pointed out some of the best human swimmers have less fat.

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Not if they rode dolphins!

 

 

In a message dated 7/8/2012 3:06:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

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They had a high, and therefore low, tides.

Therefore they had a moon.  QED.

 

 

In a message dated 7/10/2012 6:16:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

There's no moon because of the cloud cover at night. The moon literally being destroyed would be ridiculous.

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Actually, I thought it was now official Apes canon,after Dave Ballard's visit to Lake Powell, that it was low tide when he was at the edge, but very, very high tide when he got in? John, Scrolls

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> They had a high, and therefore low, tides.
> Therefore they had a moon. QED.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/10/2012 6:16:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> There's no moon because of the cloud cover at night. The moon literally
> being destroyed would be ridiculous.
>

Well said, Dr. Strangelove!


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:03 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "POTA: Cataclysm" # 2 covers






This takes the edge off of the world blowing up in "Beneath" since Earth wouldn't have been livable for very long with no moon anyway. It actually gives "Beneath" a happy ending because everyone goes quickly and doesn't have to suffer a slow end. I never thought "Beneath" would be "the feel good movie" of 1970.




How do you know that the earth wouldn't be livable for very long if the moon blew up? I believe that although it wouldn't be very pleasant for a very long time, especially if there was a massive bombardment of debris, life on earth would still go on. Most of the large mammals, including men and apes, unless they could find a deep enough hole to hide in, would probably go extinct, but life in the deep oceans would still be there, and evolution would continue and for many millions of years yet. And if the moon blew up in such a way that most of the debris shot out into space and then formed a ring of debris around the earth, then that could explain the "strange luminosity at night."

Also, at the end of BENEATH, the earth doesn't blow up -- it's atmosphere explodes, but the planet goes on, and probably with most of its oceans still intact. What the future of such a world would be, I don't know, but with the oceans still there, there's a chance that over time the atmosphere could probably make a come back, though by then our star would have shrunk to a white dwarf.