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| Group: pota |
Message: 75160 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/3/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75161 |
From: James |
Date: 6/4/2016 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75162 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/4/2016 |
| Subject: Mark Wahlberg's Birthday, Sunday, 05 June 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75163 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75164 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75165 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75166 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75167 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75168 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Paul Giamatti's Birthday, Monday, 06 June 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75169 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: New additions to my site |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75170 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75171 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75172 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75173 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Colleen Camp's Birthday, Tuesday, 07 June 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75174 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75175 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75176 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75177 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Gorillas In Our Midst? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75178 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorillas In Our Midst? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75179 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorillas In Our Midst? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75180 |
From: goatbusters |
Date: 6/8/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75181 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75182 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75183 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75184 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75185 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/10/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75186 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/12/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75187 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/12/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75188 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/13/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75189 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/13/2016 |
| Subject: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75190 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75191 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75192 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75193 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Battle premiered this day in 1973, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75195 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75196 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: James Corden on the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75197 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75198 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: 20 years of "POTA as American Myth" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75199 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 [1 At |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75200 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Re: War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75201 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Re: War [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75202 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75203 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/17/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75204 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/17/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75205 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75206 |
From: James |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75207 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75208 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75209 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75210 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/20/2016 |
| Subject: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75211 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/20/2016 |
| Subject: Lalo Schifrin Birthday, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75212 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/20/2016 |
| Subject: Lalo Schifrin Birthday, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75213 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75214 |
From: Jeff Barkley |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75215 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75216 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Paul Frees was born on this day in 1920, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75217 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Paul Frees was born on this day in 1920, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75218 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75219 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75220 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75221 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75222 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75223 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75224 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75225 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75226 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75227 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/24/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75228 |
From: James |
Date: 6/26/2016 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75229 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screening |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75230 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75231 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75232 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: 20 years of "POTA as American Myth" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75233 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75234 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75235 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: 20 years of "POTA as American Myth" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75236 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75237 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75238 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75239 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75240 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75241 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75242 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75243 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75244 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75245 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75246 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 6/28/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screen.. |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75247 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/28/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screen.. |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75248 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: The Search Continues |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75249 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75250 |
From: mikem3978 |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75251 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75252 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75253 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Michael Wilson was born on this day in 1914, Friday, 01 July 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75254 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Michael Wilson was born on this day in 1914, Friday, 01 July 2016 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75255 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75256 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75257 |
From: haristas |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75258 |
From: haristas |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75259 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75260 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/4/2016 |
| Subject: Dave Ballard's Birthday, Tuesday, 05 July 2016 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75160 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/3/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
.htmlIt's Friday again which means a new installment of the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS now online. Thanks to
all who contributed.
To read the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE click the banner on the group's Yahoo! home page or on this link: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/HI.htm.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Visit all the Group's special features including: |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75161 |
From: James |
Date: 6/4/2016 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
.html.html |
 | | | "planet of the apes" Daily update
⋅ June 4, 2016 | | | NEWS | | |
The big blockbusters of summer 2017 Den of Geek! Before 2011's Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes rebooted the series with some style, not many were suggesting that the Planet Of The Apes franchise ... | | | | |
| Going Under with Beneath the Planet of the Apes Den of Geek!
With the original 1968 Planet of the Apes a huge smash at the box office -- it arguably saved 20th Century Fox from going bankrupt -- a meeting took ... | |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75162 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/4/2016 |
| Subject: Mark Wahlberg's Birthday, Sunday, 05 June 2016 |
.html
"Mark Wahlberg's Birthday" reminder
When
Sunday, 05 June 2016
12:00 AM
to
12:00 AM
(GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75163 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
.html
All done with actual makeup/prosthetics, a budget that wasn't in triple
digit millions, a properly paced script (my biggest complaint was how rushed the
story felt in the 2001 version even though it only took place over something
like a four day period, whereas the 1968 film was more over a period
of a couple months a paced perfectly), real costumes and sets...
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>I only watched little snips. I went to the movies (remember them?)
yesterday afternoon and saw the so-called retro '70s comedy THE NICE GUYS. I
can't recommend it, but as for the APES marathon... I actually gave the POTA
2001 debacle thing some time and holy crap how lousy Rick Baker's makeups look
after just fifteen years.. Thank the Lawgiver for CGI, as flawed as it is. But
of course the original makeup design from PLANET remain the iconic classic.
<<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75164 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon [1 Attachment] |
.html
The marathon, or the Marky-Mark danceathon? It funny how easily I can
picture a music video tacked onto the end (like they used to do in the 90's with
movies like Men In Black, Wild, Wild West etc) with Marky-Mark and all the apes
from the film dancing around to that "C'mon!! Feel the vibration!!" song of
his (also from the 90's).
Chris L.
soulfulguy1151 wrote:
>>I'm recording it. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75165 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
.html
And that is exactly why BENEATH resonates with me as much as it does. Dehn
was attacking not only the concept of organized religion, but also the concept
of blindly following it without really questioning it's origins. The irony
of this woman "tweeting out" her thanks to an invisible being in the sky
("Thank you to everyone that helped me and my son today and most importantly God
for being the awesome God that he is"- while still not addressing why God
let it happen in the first place- wouldn't be lost on him.
"Your God didn't save you, did he..."
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>Right on, brother! <<
I wrote:
>>There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports on what actually
happened. Initially the articles seemed to be glossing over the fact that the
parent(s) were clearly not watching the child, but now there's apparently talk
of criminal charges. She made a Facebook post thanking God for "protecting her
child until the authorities were able to get to him" and also "Thank you to
everyone that helped me and my son today and most importantly God for being the
awesome God that he is." (yet nothing about God letting it happen in the first
place, strangely). And earlier today, I watched a movie about mutated humans
worshipping a Cobalt bomb as their God. Can't help but think that one concept
really makes about as much sense as the other. <<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75166 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
.html
The marathon, or the Marky-Mark danceathon? It funny how easily I can
picture a music video tacked onto the end (like they used to do in the 90's with
movies like Men In Black, Wild, Wild West etc) with Marky-Mark and all the apes
from the film dancing around to that "C'mon!! Feel the vibration!!" song of
his (also from the 90's).
Chris L.
Do you remember how much I bitched about that movie when it was new? Where you here then. Sorry, I forget, but I remember how some were begging me to stop bitching about the awfulness of it. God, how I hated it so. Man , I wouldn't want to go through that again, it was so depressing.
Then there was Alex with his countdown to the sequel and how he got furious with me because I kept saying to him, THERE WILL BE NO SEQUEL!
But I knew that the suits at Fox, Burton, Dick Zanuck, they knew that they royally f**ked up. That movie left them with no where to go, except....
REBOOT! And when the reboot finally came, those at Fox who made the 2001 misfire were all gone.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75167 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
.html
All done with actual makeup/prosthetics, a budget that wasn't in triple
digit millions, a properly paced script (my biggest complaint was how rushed the
story felt in the 2001 version even though it only took place over something
like a four day period, whereas the 1968 film was more over a period
of a couple months a paced perfectly), real costumes and sets...
Chris L.
So true, so true!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75168 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/5/2016 |
| Subject: Paul Giamatti's Birthday, Monday, 06 June 2016 |
.html
"Paul Giamatti's Birthday" reminder
When
Monday, 06 June 2016
12:00 AM
to
12:00 AM
(GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
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|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75169 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: New additions to my site |
.html.html
Good morning, all!
A couple of days ago, I added some Apes-related
illustrations from cartoonist Ray Alma ( MAD magazine) to my
site.
And just a few minutes ago, I finished uploading 175+ more high-res
stills from Mark Talbot-Butler and Harry Barnes. There are now over
1425 photos in Mark's stills section on my site.
https://pota.goatley.com/
Hunter
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75170 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
.htmlThanks Hunter! And a big thank you to Ray, Mark and Harry. Your site is a treasure for POTA fans. ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <goathunter@...> wrote :
Good morning, all!
A couple of days ago, I added some Apes-related
illustrations from cartoonist Ray Alma ( MAD magazine) to my
site.
And just a few minutes ago, I finished uploading 175+ more high-res
stills from Mark Talbot-Butler and Harry Barnes. There are now over
1425 photos in Mark's stills section on my site.
https://pota.goatley.com/
Hunter
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75171 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
.htmlExcellent, Hunter. So glad your website exists. Look forward to looking at the added stills.
Rory
-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: potadg <potadg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2016 10:46 am
Subject: [pota] New additions to my site
Good morning, all!
A couple of days ago, I added some Apes-related
illustrations from cartoonist Ray Alma ( MAD magazine) to my
site.
And just a few minutes ago, I finished uploading 175+ more high-res
stills from Mark Talbot-Butler and Harry Barnes. There are now over
1425 photos in Mark's stills section on my site.
https://pota.goatley.com/
Hunter
<.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75172 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
.html.html Hunter is "still" the one! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:58 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] Re: New additions to my site Excellent, Hunter. So glad your website exists. Look forward to looking at the added stills.
Rory
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From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: potadg <potadg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2016 10:46 am
Subject: [pota] New additions to my site
Good morning, all!
A couple of days ago, I added some Apes-related illustrations from cartoonist Ray Alma (MAD magazine) to my site.
And just a few minutes ago, I finished uploading 175+ more high-res stills from Mark Talbot-Butler and Harry Barnes. There are now over 1425 photos in Mark's stills section on my site.
https://pota.goatley.com/
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Message: 75173 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/6/2016 |
| Subject: Colleen Camp's Birthday, Tuesday, 07 June 2016 |
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Message: 75174 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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Can we not have the religion debates please? With it being something everyone has passIonate feelings on, it will probably just cause trouble.
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Message: 75175 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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Can we not have the religion debates please? With it being something everyone has passIonate feelings on, it will probably just cause trouble.
Mel
With all due respect, I don't think anyone is debating religion here, at least not anymore than the movies that are the very essence of this group have.
All we've been bringing up is the morality of mankind in continuing to have zoos. Someone else mentioned God, but I don't recall a debate of religion.
Perhaps you're being just a tad overly sensitive, maybe?
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Message: 75176 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
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Hunter is "still" the one!
Yeah, I don't want to insult Hunter, but Hunter, when it comes to a website of pure POTA geekery love....
YOU ARE THE MAN!
Rory
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Message: 75177 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Gorillas In Our Midst? |
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And right on cue here's an article on the very subject! The Lawgiver must be watching this site! (Well, at least I am.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/science/gorilla-shot-harambe-zoo.htmlemc=edit_th_20160607&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=54765500&_r=0
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Message: 75178 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorillas In Our Midst? |
.htmlInteresting article. It's one of those things that has no clear solution. Very sad reading how Gorilla's who grew up in enclosed captivity now fear such a simple thing as rain.
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Message: 75179 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/7/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorillas In Our Midst? |
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Interesting article. It's one of those things that has no clear solution. Very sad reading how Gorilla's who grew up in enclosed captivity now fear such a simple thing as rain.
Dario
"Man is a menace.... a walking pestilence... his wisdom walks hand in hand with idiocy"
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Message: 75180 |
From: goatbusters |
Date: 6/8/2016 |
| Subject: Re: New additions to my site |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75181 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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That would be me, and it was simply to illustrate a correlation I saw
between a real life event and religious themes that were explored in the first
two films.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>With all due respect, I don't think anyone is debating religion
here, at least not anymore than the movies that are the very essence of this
group have. All we've been bringing up is the morality of mankind in
continuing to have zoos. Someone else mentioned God, but I don't recall a debate
of religion.
Perhaps you're being just a tad overly sensitive,
maybe? <<
knightangel314 wrote:
>>Can we not have the religion debates please? With it being
something everyone has passIonate feelings on, it will probably just cause
trouble. <<
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Message: 75182 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
.htmlKnightangel314, if you really are interested in talking POTA and related issues, you're welcome. Even if you want to say you have a problem with the APES movies over religion, I'll find it interesting. Probably won't agree, though.
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From: lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 2:08 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Gorilla shot dead
That would be me, and it was simply to illustrate a correlation I saw
between a real life event and religious themes that were explored in the first
two films.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>With all due respect, I don't think anyone is debating religion
here, at least not anymore than the movies that are the very essence of this
group have.
All we've been bringing up is the morality of mankind in
continuing to have zoos. Someone else mentioned God, but I don't recall a debate
of religion.
Perhaps you're being just a tad overly sensitive,
maybe? <<
knightangel314 wrote:
>>Can we not have the religion debates please? With it being
something everyone has passIonate feelings on, it will probably just cause
trouble. <<
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Message: 75183 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
.html.html One of the most provocative elements (and a major one) of POTA is it's take on religion. It both blasts it ("the Almighty created the ape in His own image", the mutants in "Beneath") and is sympathetic to it (Armando talking about Saint Francis). I think religion is fair game in this group. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:56 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Gorilla shot dead
Knightangel314, if you really are interested in talking POTA and related issues, you're welcome. Even if you want to say you have a problem with the APES movies over religion, I'll find it interesting. Probably won't agree, though.
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From: lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 2:08 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Gorilla shot dead That would be me, and it was simply to illustrate a correlation I saw between a real life event and religious themes that were explored in the first two films. >>With all due respect, I don't think anyone is debating religion here, at least not anymore than the movies that are the very essence of this group have.
All we've been bringing up is the morality of mankind in continuing to have zoos. Someone else mentioned God, but I don't recall a debate of religion. Perhaps you're being just a tad overly sensitive, maybe? <<
>>Can we not have the religion debates please? With it being something everyone has passIonate feelings on, it will probably just cause trouble. <<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75184 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/9/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead [1 Attachment] |
.htmlWell said Jeff. The Lawgiver is as much a symbolic entity used to convey a way of life (religion) as he represents a semi-mythical historic figure (Jesus/God).
I am anything but religious. PotA gives me more food for thought than any bible. Dario |
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Message: 75185 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/10/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75186 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/12/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Gorilla shot dead |
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I'd agree. It played a very large part in the first two films, and is also
referenced sporadically in the other three. If you want to get into story
subtext, I'd say there's a lot there by the respective screenwriters stating
that religion is both part of what caused everything to change (apes over man)
as well as it's continuing to be a problem which ultimately brings about a
societal downfall in BENEATH. Although a lot of what was filmed
(dialog, I mean) never made it into the final cut, Ursus was essentially
waging a Holy War "in the name of" the Lawgiver. Listen to the words that the
Minister uses during his blessing. Or if you get an opportunity, read
either the novelization or the Marvel B&W adaptations. Ursus and Zaius
debate the invasion twice- once in the sauna (where the issue of famine
plays more prominently) and a second time just before the army departs. The
second time, they're both talking about the Lawgiver and Zaius says
something like "Has he ordained that we make war?", and Ursus counters with "Has
he ordained that we starve?". Also something about Zaius questioning Ursus'
interpretation of the Lawgivers' words.
At the beginning of the scene where Brent and Nova are first brought into
the room where the humans are kept in cages, you briefly see Ursus and Zaius
talking in the background. I think that's when the second conversation took
place (ended with Zaius saying something like "As a scientist, I am
also...curious").
Chris L.
Jeff K. wrote:
>>One of the most provocative elements (and a major one) of POTA is
its take on religion. It both blasts it (the Almighty created the ape in His
own image, the mutants in Beneath) and is sympathetic to it (Armando talking
about Saint Francis). I think religion is fair game in this group.
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Message: 75187 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/12/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
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I was in one (or possibly several) of the groups back then, but I
honestly don't recall which. I do remember after I saw it that I said something
like "It's SO bad for SO MANY different reasons" and another member contacted me
directly saying that they weren't going to bother seeing it based on all the
negative feedback. My comment was the apple that tipped the proverbial cart. I
was also in touch with a group member at the same time about the classic
Universal Frankenstein movies, and they had pointed me to a website about the
films that they had made and was being used as part of their college thesis.
Funny, the details that stick out in the mind...
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>Do you remember how much I bitched about that movie when it was
new? Where you here then. Sorry, I forget, but I remember how some were begging
me to stop bitching about the awfulness of it. God, how I hated it so. Man , I
wouldn't want to go through that again, it was so depressing. Then there
was Alex with his countdown to the sequel and how he got furious with me because
I kept saying to him, THERE WILL BE NO SEQUEL! But I knew that the suits
at Fox, Burton, Dick Zanuck, they knew that they royally f**ked up. That movie
left them with no where to go, except.... REBOOT! And when the reboot
finally came, those at Fox who made the 2001 misfire were all gone.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75188 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/13/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
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I was in one (or possibly several) of the groups back then, but I
honestly don't recall which. I do remember after I saw it that I said something
like "It's SO bad for SO MANY different reasons" and another member contacted me
directly saying that they weren't going to bother seeing it based on all the
negative feedback. My comment was the apple that tipped the proverbial cart. I
was also in touch with a group member at the same time about the classic
Universal Frankenstein movies, and they had pointed me to a website about the
films that they had made and was being used as part of their college thesis.
Funny, the details that stick out in the mind...
Chris L.
Speaking of Universal Monsters, remember VAN HELSING? OMG! Terrible. And of course, there's been talk of rebooting that, and Blah, blah, blah!
The movie business is so in the toilet right now.
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Message: 75189 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/13/2016 |
| Subject: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
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Message: 75190 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75191 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
.htmlI'll be watching it this weekend on Blu-ray.
Boy, the sequels when I watch them now just fly by.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2016 12:04 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016
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Message: 75192 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
.htmlWatched it again about a month ago. I guess I'll have to watch Battle instead. ;)
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Message: 75193 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/14/2016 |
| Subject: Battle premiered this day in 1973, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 |
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Message: 75195 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
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Watched it again about a month ago. I guess I'll have to watch Battle instead. ;)
Dario
Late May through early July is the time for POTA watching nostalgia, for me. Doesn't matter when or how I view them, a marathon on one day, or an APES week, watching one movie a day for five consecutive days, or as I'm doing this year, one each weekend. I watched the Blu-ray of PLANET on Memorial Day weekend.
I'm not going to, but some of you might want to consider following the films with watching every episode of the TV series and then the cartoon series.
Why am I saying this?
Because PLANET's going to be back in theaters next month, kiddies!
And then next summer comes WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75196 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: James Corden on the Planet of the Apes |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75197 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
.html.html Are you sure "War For the POTA" is coming? Damn they've been silent. Hopefully that means we'll get some of the surprises that POTA is famous for. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:10 AM
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Subject: [pota] Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016
Watched it again about a month ago. I guess I'll have to watch Battle instead. ;) Dario
Late May through early July is the time for POTA watching nostalgia, for me. Doesn't matter when or how I view them, a marathon on one day, or an APES week, watching one movie a day for five consecutive days, or as I'm doing this year, one each weekend. I watched the Blu-ray of PLANET on Memorial Day weekend.
I'm not going to, but some of you might want to consider following the films with watching every episode of the TV series and then the cartoon series.
Because PLANET's going to be back in theaters next month, kiddies! And then next summer comes WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES! <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75198 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/15/2016 |
| Subject: 20 years of "POTA as American Myth" |
.html.html I got an e-mail from Eric Greene reminding me of the POTA screenings in July and I realized that this year is two decades since his book "Planet of the Apes as American Myth" was published. Twenty years ago POTA was rockin' for me as I helped him promote it and became friends with folks like Booth Colman, Buck Kartalian and Ron Harper. It was also the year the Simpsons parody came out ("chimpan-A to chimpan-Z"). That year I got to be an ape under the expertise of Bill Blake. And I was still trippin' with the idea that Oliver Stone might direct a new movie (ultimately done by Tim Burton).
POTA never seemed to get the mainstream longevity that "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" did but it definitely seemed headed for a comeback. We take that for granted now but Eric's book was the first giant step for Apekind, getting reviewed in "Entertainment Weekly" and other places. I believe it was the first book about POTA (am I wrong?) and many others have followed since then. Not all fans agreed with Eric's approach but I think it's a thoughtful, relevant angle. It looks at POTA in a unique way and resonated with many. Eric was invited to participate in documentaries (I think Eric's comments added so much to them) and it even was an inspiration to the new Ape filmmakers. Andy Serkis read it and thanked Eric for writing it (lest anyone thinks Andy isn't a true believer).
I'm so pleased with the POTA books we've had since and Eric blazed the trail. It was my joy to be a part of it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 75199 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 [1 At |
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Are you sure "War For the POTA" is coming? Damn they've been silent.
Hopefully that means we'll get some of the surprises that POTA is famous for.
Off the top of my head, I'm not sure what the big 20th Century Fox movie is this summer -- Jeffery? I'm sure you know. Do you think there's a possibility of a teaser trailer for WAR this summer?
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Message: 75200 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Re: War |
.html.html For "Rise" and "Dawn" we seemed to get little tidbits and photos of the set. For "War" we got one official photo of a beach and a couple shots in the contest announcement. And there were some tweets of an outdoor prison set. But it's been genuinely quiet compared to the other two. Maybe there's big surprises they're trying to protect. I'd say "Independence Day 2" is Fox's biggy of the year. That would be perfect for an Apes teaser. End of the year, Burton's "Miss Peregrine" (produced by Chernin, the Ape producer). Fox has opted out of Comic-Con. It's kind of a down year for Fox blockbusters. Sent from
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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:18 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016
Are you sure "War For the POTA" is coming? Damn they've been silent.
Hopefully that means we'll get some of the surprises that POTA is famous for.
I assume that the people at Weta Digital are very busy right now doing all the rendering (I believe is the term?) and that the work is going to be a further improvement over what was done in DAWN. I guess the actual nuts and bolts of this process is about as interesting as watching paint dry, so I assume there's really not much to talk about right now. But, as we get into the summer tent pole pictures -- and if you're paying attention to news of how things have been going so far for Hollywood this year, IT'S NOT SO GOOD -- but we're only now really getting into the summer season. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure what the big 20th Century Fox movie is this summer -- Jeffery? I'm sure you know. Do you think there's a possibility of a teaser trailer for WAR this summer?
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Message: 75201 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Re: War [1 Attachment] |
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My thoughts exactly. If it's the end of a trilogy, their going to end it with a huge ending that would further tie it to the original.
Al On Thursday, June 16, 2016, 12:18 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
For "Rise" and "Dawn" we seemed to get little tidbits and photos of the set. For "War" we got one official photo of a beach and a couple shots in the contest announcement. And there were some tweets of an outdoor prison set. But it's been genuinely quiet compared to the other two. Maybe there's big surprises they're trying to protect. I'd say "Independence Day 2" is Fox's biggy of the year. That would be perfect for an Apes teaser. End of the year, Burton's "Miss Peregrine" (produced by Chernin, the Ape producer). Fox has opted out of Comic-Con. It's kind of a down year for Fox blockbusters. Sent from
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Are you sure "War For the POTA" is coming? Damn they've been silent. Hopefully that means we'll get some of the surprises that POTA is famous for.
I assume that the people at Weta Digital are very busy right now doing all the rendering (I believe is the term?) and that the work is going to be a further improvement over what was done in DAWN. I guess the actual nuts and bolts of this process is about as interesting as watching paint dry, so I assume there's really not much to talk about right now. But, as we get into the summer tent pole pictures -- and if you're paying attention to news of how things have been going so far for Hollywood this year, IT'S NOT SO GOOD -- but we're only now really getting into the summer season.
Off the top of my head, I'm not sure what the big 20th Century Fox movie is this summer -- Jeffery? I'm sure you know. Do you think there's a possibility of a teaser trailer for WAR this summer?
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Message: 75202 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/16/2016 |
| Subject: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
.html.html 20th Century Fox has announced that Stacey Snider will become head of the movie studio in June 2017, as Jim Gianopulos moves elsewhere in the company. Gianopulos ran Fox with Tom Rothman from 2000 to 2012 and continued by his lonesome until 2014 when Snider was brought in as sidekick. Soon it will be Snider's show. So… will her leadership provide better, more challenging movies (*cough* Apes *cough
*). Dunno, but she's said to be good with material and filmmakers (i.e. the creative elements). She ran Universal from 1999 to 2006 and then ran Dreamworks with Steven Spielberg from 2006 to 2014 (Spielberg doesn't suffer fools gladly). It remains to be seen but really this is the first changing of the guard in a decade and a ½ (Fox is pretty loyal and promotes from within). I hope Apes and Fox movies in general benefit. deadline.com/2016/06/jim-gianopulos-stacey-snider-fox-executive-changes-1201773922 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75203 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/17/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
.htmlSoon a woman running Fox? What's next? A woman running the country? (he he he)
But I hope this means better things coming from Fox in the future, because we've just got to break out of this superhero/comicbook inspired sequel/prequel whirlpool we're presented with every year, year after year. It's getting so tired. I think the general public is starting, finally, to get sick of it. A lot of movies under performing this year. I've stopped counting at what X-Men sequel/prequel we're at now (i'm taking a pass on the latest) -- and there's more on the way! When is enough enough?
Of course, when is enough enough will these new POTA movies? We POTA fans are as bad as any other group out there. I don't have a feeling the next one is going to satisfy me at all as sufficient backstory on the origins of the "world of the '68 original."
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>; Neil Moxham neilmoxham@... [PotaDG] <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2016 4:14 pm
Subject: [pota] Fox's new Queen of the Apes
20th Century Fox has announced that Stacey Snider will become head of the movie studio in June 2017, as Jim Gianopulos moves elsewhere in the company. Gianopulos ran Fox with Tom Rothman from 2000 to 2012 and continued by his lonesome until 2014 when Snider was brought in as sidekick. Soon it will be Snider's show.
So… will her leadership provide better, more challenging movies (*cough* Apes *cough*). Dunno, but she's said to be good with material and filmmakers (i.e. the creative elements). She ran Universal from 1999 to 2006 and then ran Dreamworks with Steven Spielberg from 2006 to 2014 (Spielberg doesn't suffer fools gladly). It remains to be seen but really this is the first changing of the guard in a decade and a ½ (Fox is pretty loyal and promotes from within).
I hope Apes and Fox movies in general benefit.
deadline.com/2016/06/jim-gianopulos-stacey-snider-fox-executive-changes-1201773922
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75204 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/17/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
.htmlGood morning everyone! A new installment of the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS is now online. Thanks to
all who contributed.
To read the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE click the banner on the group's Yahoo! home page or on this link: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/HI.htm.
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Message: 75205 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
.html.html .htmlThat's what I've been saying all along, and that's why these new movies need to be seen as the total rebooted franchise films that they are...
In a message dated 6/17/2016 8:33:01 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
We POTA fans are as bad as any other group out there. I don't have a feeling the next one is going to satisfy me at all as sufficient backstory on the origins of the "world of the '68 original."
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Message: 75206 |
From: James |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75207 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
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That's what I've been saying all along, and that's why these new movies need to be seen as the total rebooted franchise films that they are...
(Let the old arguments in this group begin again! The true endless loop of the original POTA franchise legacy!)
No, my dissatisfaction with the two reboot/prequels so far is that they are just the embryos of the origin story that leads to the "world of the '68 original." I have no doubt I will desire more POTA films after WAR, but I'm not at all certain there will be any, not right away at least, but I could be wrong. I'll bet Jeff thinks there will be announced another one in the planning perhaps even before WAR comes out next year.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:11 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes
That's what I've been saying all along, and that's why these new movies need to be seen as the total rebooted franchise films that they are...
In a message dated 6/17/2016 8:33:01 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
We POTA fans are as bad as any other group out there. I don't have a feeling the next one is going to satisfy me at all as sufficient backstory on the origins of the "world of the '68 original."
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Message: 75208 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
.html.html I don't think even they know where it will lead. By the time they get to where it "could" connect to the '68 original, they may have a hot director who wants to do just that. But the writer and director they have now probably won't be involved by then. I could never outgrow the original sequels. I love them.
And I love these reboots. They are well done and powerful. I don't know what to say to Ape fans who don't like them. They are going out of their way to be true to the spirit of POTA. They could just be "more adventures among the monkeys" but they are trying to say something like the originals did. Hollywood is relying on sequels these days and I have no problem with good sequels. Some of the best movies ever made are sequels. People groan when there's no point to a sequel. And so far I think the new Apes have earned their existence. Speaking of which, just a heads up that 7/18/16 is the day the apes rise (according to the newspaper in "Rise"). A good day to keep an eye on the Golden Gate bridge or watch "Rise" or have a party or something. Sent from
Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:02 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes
That's what I've been saying all along, and that's why these new movies need to be seen as the total rebooted franchise films that they are...
I think you misunderstand me -- or I misunderstand you -- but while I do agree that the new movies are reboots (of the franchise) -- and I've said this before, of course -- I also think of them as very much prequels to PLANET (as the directors, producers and screenwriters of them have said) -- divorcing PLANET from it's sequels and then forgetting about the '70s sequels and whatever "continuity" most POTA fans think is important in the sequels, which I don't think is important anymore because as a logical continuing series of films, the APES sequels are a contradictory muddle and I've outgrown them and I'm past them -- he says, planning to watch CONQUEST in a few hours.
(Let the old arguments in this group begin again! The true endless loop of the original POTA franchise legacy!) No, my dissatisfaction with the two reboot/prequels so far is that they are just the embryos of the origin story that leads to the "world of the '68 original." I have no doubt I will desire more POTA films after WAR, but I'm not at all certain there will be any, not right away at least, but I could be wrong. I'll bet Jeff thinks there will be announced another one in the planning perhaps even before WAR comes out next year.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:11 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes
That's what I've been saying all along, and that's why these new movies need to be seen as the total rebooted franchise films that they are...
In a message dated 6/17/2016 8:33:01 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes: We POTA fans are as bad as any other group out there. I don't have a feeling the next one is going to satisfy me at all as sufficient backstory on the origins of the "world of the '68 original."
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From: haristas |
Date: 6/18/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes |
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Speaking of which, just a heads up that 7/18/16 is the day the apes rise (according to the newspaper in "Rise"). A good day to keep an eye on the Golden Gate bridge or watch "Rise" or have a party or something.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 3:26 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes [1 Attachment]
I don't think even they know where it will lead. By the time they get to where it "could" connect to the '68 original, they may have a hot director who wants to do just that. But the writer and director they have now probably won't be involved by then.
I could never outgrow the original sequels. I love them.
And I love these reboots. They are well done and powerful. I don't know what to say to Ape fans who don't like them. They are going out of their way to be true to the spirit of POTA. They could just be "more adventures among the monkeys" but they are trying to say something like the originals did. Hollywood is relying on sequels these days and I have no problem with good sequels. Some of the best movies ever made are sequels. People groan when there's no point to a sequel. And so far I think the new Apes have earned their existence.
Speaking of which, just a heads up that 7/18/16 is the day the apes rise (according to the newspaper in "Rise"). A good day to keep an eye on the Golden Gate bridge or watch "Rise" or have a party or something.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:02 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes
That's what I've been saying all along, and that's why these new movies need to be seen as the total rebooted franchise films that they are...
I think you misunderstand me -- or I misunderstand you -- but while I do agree that the new movies are reboots (of the franchise) -- and I've said this before, of course -- I also think of them as very much prequels to PLANET (as the directors, producers and screenwriters of them have said) -- divorcing PLANET from it's sequels and then forgetting about the '70s sequels and whatever "continuity" most POTA fans think is important in the sequels, which I don't think is important anymore because as a logical continuing series of films, the APES sequels are a contradictory muddle and I've outgrown them and I'm past them -- he says, planning to watch CONQUEST in a few hours.
(Let the old arguments in this group begin again! The true endless loop of the original POTA franchise legacy!)
No, my dissatisfaction with the two reboot/prequels so far is that they are just the embryos of the origin story that leads to the "world of the '68 original." I have no doubt I will desire more POTA films after WAR, but I'm not at all certain there will be any, not right away at least, but I could be wrong. I'll bet Jeff thinks there will be announced another one in the planning perhaps even before WAR comes out next year.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:11 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox's new Queen of the Apes
That's what I've been saying all along, and that's why these new movies need to be seen as the total rebooted franchise films that they are...
In a message dated 6/17/2016 8:33:01 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
We POTA fans are as bad as any other group out there. I don't have a feeling the next one is going to satisfy me at all as sufficient backstory on the origins of the "world of the '68 original."
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Message: 75210 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/20/2016 |
| Subject: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
.htmlIn the movies (original POTA and Beneath) is it the common perception that the human cage and jail were across the river from the rest of the city? Not that the movies really explained it, but from a still of Heston sneaking across the bridge (first escape attempt), and a deleted script scene (and still) of the cage wagon crossing the bridge (second escape),
Also, that piece of land across from the city...seems like it must have been an island, or locked by mountains (in the movie, that is, not IRL), otherwise why would both attempts use the bridge into the city to risk getting caught?
But then why in Beneath, did the gorilla army start out by going to this "island", then to the Forbidden Zone? Perhaps in the time between the two movies they built another bridge further upstream?
Any other thoughts? Just trying to make this fit, somehow.
John |
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Message: 75211 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/20/2016 |
| Subject: Lalo Schifrin Birthday, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 |
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"Lalo Schifrin Birthday" reminder
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Tuesday, 21 June 2016
12:00 AM
to
12:00 AM
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Where
Born on this day in 1932
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Composer POTA TV series theme
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75212 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/20/2016 |
| Subject: Lalo Schifrin Birthday, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 |
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"Lalo Schifrin Birthday" reminder
When
Tuesday, 21 June 2016
12:00 AM
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Where
Born on this day in 1932
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Composer POTA TV series theme
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Message: 75213 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
.htmlDon't think it was an island. Just across the river from Ape City. True the movies didn't explain things well and some things are not very consistent from film to film. ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <jspy6688@...> wrote : In the movies (original POTA and Beneath) is it the common perception that the human cage and jail were across the river from the rest of the city? Not that the movies really explained it, but from a still of Heston sneaking across the bridge (first escape attempt), and a deleted script scene (and still) of the cage wagon crossing the bridge (second escape),
Also, that piece of land across from the city...seems like it must have been an island, or locked by mountains (in the movie, that is, not IRL), otherwise why would both attempts use the bridge into the city to risk getting caught?
But then why in Beneath, did the gorilla army start out by going to this "island", then to the Forbidden Zone? Perhaps in the time between the two movies they built another bridge further upstream?
Any other thoughts? Just trying to make this fit, somehow.
John |
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Message: 75214 |
From: Jeff Barkley |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
.htmlIn some pics you can see a Lawgiver statue on the "island". I always figured it was a "prayer stop" before they marched off to war! Which brings up another question....if apes did not kill apes, why did they need an army?
On Jun 21, 2016 8:12 AM, " JamesA1102@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Don't think it was an island. Just across the river from Ape City. True the movies didn't explain things well and some things are not very consistent from film to film.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < jspy6688@...> wrote : In the movies (original POTA and Beneath) is it the common perception that the human cage and jail were across the river from the rest of the city? Not that the movies really explained it, but from a still of Heston sneaking across the bridge (first escape attempt), and a deleted script scene (and still) of the cage wagon crossing the bridge (second escape),
Also, that piece of land across from the city...seems like it must have been an island, or locked by mountains (in the movie, that is, not IRL), otherwise why would both attempts use the bridge into the city to risk getting caught?
But then why in Beneath, did the gorilla army start out by going to this "island", then to the Forbidden Zone? Perhaps in the time between the two movies they built another bridge further upstream?
Any other thoughts? Just trying to make this fit, somehow.
John
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Message: 75215 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
.html.html In the end, I don't think pictures are canon, just what's in the movies. The geography never bothered me. I'd have to watch them again and concentrate on that. The U.S. is considered a Christian nation ("Thou shalt not kill") and still uses it's military quite a bit. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
In some pics you can see a Lawgiver statue on the "island". I always figured it was a "prayer stop" before they marched off to war! Which brings up another question....if apes did not kill apes, why did they need an army? On Jun 21, 2016 8:12 AM, "JamesA1102@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Don't think it was an island. Just across the river from Ape City. True the movies didn't explain things well and some things are not very consistent from film to film.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <jspy6688@...> wrote :
In the movies (original POTA and Beneath) is it the common perception that the human cage and jail were across the river from the rest of the city? Not that the movies really explained it, but from a still of Heston sneaking across the bridge (first escape attempt), and a deleted script scene (and still) of the cage wagon crossing the bridge (second escape),
Also, that piece of land across from the city...seems like it must have been an island, or locked by mountains (in the movie, that is, not IRL), otherwise why would both attempts use the bridge into the city to risk getting caught?
But then why in Beneath, did the gorilla army start out by going to this "island", then to the Forbidden Zone? Perhaps in the time between the two movies they built another bridge further upstream? Any other thoughts? Just trying to make this fit, somehow. John
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Message: 75216 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/21/2016 |
| Subject: Paul Frees was born on this day in 1920, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 |
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"Paul Frees was born on this day in 1920" reminder
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Message: 75217 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Paul Frees was born on this day in 1920, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 |
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"Paul Frees was born on this day in 1920" reminder
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Wednesday, 22 June 2016
12:00 AM
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Message: 75218 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
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In some pics you can see a Lawgiver statue on the "island". I always figured it was a "prayer stop" before they marched off to war! Which brings up another question....if apes did not kill apes, why did they need an army?
I don't know where the outdoor cage was supposed to be in relation to the rest of Apetown (as it was called in PLANET's script), and I don't think the filmmakers had much of a care about it, but it does seem that they had an idea that after Taylor escaped his cage, he had to cross the causeway (as we know from stills of the scene which was shot but then cut in final editing, mostly because all agreed the escape scene was too long, as recently detailed in John O'Callaghan's book, SIMIANS & SERIALISM)
My only question about the cuts from Taylor's escape is why would he want to run into the apes' village? Wouldn't you think he'd want to run in the opposite direction, back into the hills, jungle, whatever?
Rory
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Barkley skintricks62@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Ape City Cage location (movie)
In some pics you can see a Lawgiver statue on the "island". I always figured it was a "prayer stop" before they marched off to war! Which brings up another question....if apes did not kill apes, why did they need an army?
On Jun 21, 2016 8:12 AM, " JamesA1102@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Don't think it was an island. Just across the river from Ape City. True the movies didn't explain things well and some things are not very consistent from film to film.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < jspy6688@...> wrote :
In the movies (original POTA and Beneath) is it the common perception that the human cage and jail were across the river from the rest of the city? Not that the movies really explained it, but from a still of Heston sneaking across the bridge (first escape attempt), and a deleted script scene (and still) of the cage wagon crossing the bridge (second escape),
Also, that piece of land across from the city...seems like it must have been an island, or locked by mountains (in the movie, that is, not IRL), otherwise why would both attempts use the bridge into the city to risk getting caught?
But then why in Beneath, did the gorilla army start out by going to this "island", then to the Forbidden Zone? Perhaps in the time between the two movies they built another bridge further upstream?
Any other thoughts? Just trying to make this fit, somehow.
John
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Message: 75219 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
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The U.S. is considered a Christian nation
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: Jeff Barkley skintricks62@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 12:07 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) [1 Attachment]
In the end, I don't think pictures are canon, just what's in the movies. The geography never bothered me. I'd have to watch them again and concentrate on that.
The U.S. is considered a Christian nation ("Thou shalt not kill") and still uses it's military quite a bit.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
In some pics you can see a Lawgiver statue on the "island". I always figured it was a "prayer stop" before they marched off to war! Which brings up another question....if apes did not kill apes, why did they need an army?
On Jun 21, 2016 8:12 AM, "JamesA1102@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Don't think it was an island. Just across the river from Ape City. True the movies didn't explain things well and some things are not very consistent from film to film.
In the movies (original POTA and Beneath) is it the common perception that the human cage and jail were across the river from the rest of the city? Not that the movies really explained it, but from a still of Heston sneaking across the bridge (first escape attempt), and a deleted script scene (and still) of the cage wagon crossing the bridge (second escape),
Also, that piece of land across from the city...seems like it must have been an island, or locked by mountains (in the movie, that is, not IRL), otherwise why would both attempts use the bridge into the city to risk getting caught?
But then why in Beneath, did the gorilla army start out by going to this "island", then to the Forbidden Zone? Perhaps in the time between the two movies they built another bridge further upstream?
Any other thoughts? Just trying to make this fit, somehow.
John
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75220 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
.html---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote : My only question about the cuts from Taylor's escape is why would he want to run into the apes' village? Wouldn't you think he'd want to run in the opposite direction, back into the hills, jungle, whatever?
Taylor had a lousy sense of direction, which is probably why he wound up back on earth in the first place. ;-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75221 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75222 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/22/2016 |
| Subject: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
.htmlHas anyone seen this yet (couldn't find it in the history)? The site contains pictures of Icarus after the movies as a motel sign in Flagstaff, AZ. I've read that rumor before, just never proof or pictures. Apparently a windstorm knocked the sign over... and it's a mystery from there.
http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/billritchiefate.html"
John
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75223 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
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So I'm going to assume that the human cage and jail was across the river. That was my main question.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75224 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75225 |
From: haristas |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
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Has anyone seen this yet (couldn't find it in the history)? The site contains pictures of Icarus after the movies as a motel sign in Flagstaff, AZ. I've read that rumor before, just never proof or pictures. Apparently a windstorm knocked the sign over... and it's a mystery from there.
John
Anyway, that is I believe the actual prop ship. You can see in the top photo the door that was made on side of the hull for ESCAPE. I think I read on that same website years ago that the prop never left the Fox ranch after it was used on the POTA TV show and just rusted away there until it was sold for scrap when the state of California bought the property, but I guess that's not true.
Now, I'd really like to know the date of those two photos. The white car in the background of the top photo looks to me to be late seventies.
Anyway, a very said end to a beloved movie prop. Thanks for posting that, John. Important stuff I think all here will agree.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75226 |
From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/23/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
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Message: 75227 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/24/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
.htmlTGIF! This week's installment of the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS is now available. Thanks to everyone that contributed.
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Message: 75228 |
From: James |
Date: 6/26/2016 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75229 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screening |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75230 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Cage location (movie) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75231 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Memorial Day marathon |
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Didn't even bother. I think Universal is planning a reboot of their
entire Monsters franchise, actually, with Van Helsing being a part of
it.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>Speaking of Universal Monsters, remember VAN HELSING? OMG!
Terrible. And of course, there's been talk of rebooting that, and Blah, blah,
blah! The movie business is so in the toilet right now.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75232 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: 20 years of "POTA as American Myth" |
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In said Entertainment Weekly review, there was a great comment (which
I'm paraphrasing) to the effect of "Sometimes, a school bus driving across the
desert is JUST a school bus driving across the desert" in response to some of
the book's more... let's call it "reaching" interpretations of the material.
Sorry, but the way Urko's eyebrows were drawn does not mean that RETURN is a
secret commentary on the Nixon administration (yes, those were two dots that
Eric Greene tried to connect). BTW, I think you're right that it was the
first book published about the franchise. Prior to that, there was just the
occasional mention in other publications.
Chris L.
Jeff K. wrote:
>>We take that for granted now but Erics book was the first giant
step for Apekind, getting reviewed in Entertainment Weekly and other places. I
believe it was the first book about POTA (am I wrong?) and many others have
followed since then. <<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75233 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Icarus - Fate of the Prop |
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.html Wasn't there an article posted online- years ago- by a movie fan who somehow talked his way onto a backlot where a bunch of props from 20th Century Fox moves were just stockpiled? I remember seeing photos of the POTA spaceship, the Alpha Omega bomb, some of the naval ships from different war movies, etc. Chris L. ____________________________________________________________ <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75234 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Conquest premiered this day in 1972, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 |
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You mean they seem shorter, or...?
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>Boy, the sequels when I watch them now just fly by.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75235 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: 20 years of "POTA as American Myth" |
.html.html .htmlI remember the review you're talking about and that line about the bus probably just being a bus is right on...
As far as the Nixon/Urko's eyebrows, I recall he tried to connect it because when Urko says something like "Is there a conspiracy against me?!?" he has the bushy eyebrows and Greene took that as a connection between Nixon and Urko: *But*, in an earlier episode (I don't recall which one right off), Urko is drawn with the same blackened in eyebrows and there's no line of "Nixon type" dialog present that I can recall... I'd have to watch the series again to make sure, but I think every main ape character had their eyebrows filled in at one time or another (Urko, Zaius, Zira, and Cornelius), the animators were not trying to be cute/or subtly making political connections... They were just a coloring mistake...
In a message dated 6/27/2016 4:11:20 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
In said Entertainment Weekly review, there was a great comment (which I'm paraphrasing) to the effect of "Sometimes, a school bus driving across the desert is JUST a school bus driving across the desert" in response to some of the book's more... let's call it "reaching" interpretations of the material. Sorry, but the way Urko's eyebrows were drawn does not mean that RETURN is a secret commentary on the Nixon administration (yes, those were two dots that Eric Greene tried to connect).
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
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From: haristas |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
.htmlI don't want to sound like a dick, but I really couldn't care less about watching a video in some link. Can we just get to the gist and tell what the important thing is. I really just don't have time for the loading of video is all the wonderful crap of the internet -- just give me the gist, please!
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
.html.html THE Dr. Zaius?! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dario Sciola dario.sciola@... [pota]
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Can't get that link to work. Who?
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
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OK, I had to watch this damn thing! Waste of time! This is what I guess will be promoted on TCM between every movie for the next month. Great! Better than nothing, however....
THE real Dr. Zaius is Maurice Evans. That idiot doesn't sound like Maurice Evans, doesn't look like Maurice Evans in the makeup, and isn't even wearing the right jacket! They might as well start the movie with the CGI Lawgiver from the Blu-ray. They should have gotten Linda Harrison and Lou Wagner.
Dammit it all to hell.
Anyway, I just hope this thing looks decent projected, at least good 2K if it can't be 4K. From what I've gleaned from the web, most people seemed pleased by what they saw with the other movies shown this year, but then these people aren't the kind of picky bastard I and other film buffs are. Just have to keep my fingers crossed.
I expect I'll be seeing this twice on Sunday, July 24th, if the projection looks good, and hopefully I'm not sitting in the theater alone. Now I just have to figure out what I'll be doing for three hours between showings. Anyone else here in the Asheville, NC area? I doubt it.
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THE Dr. Zaius?!
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Can't get that link to work. Who?
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
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From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
.htmlI have to agree, they should have gotten Linda or Lou to talk about the making of the film. This seems like a stunt and a juvenile stunt. Something that you'd do for a children's movie. I find that insulting and less likely to go. ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote : OK, I had to watch this damn thing! Waste of time! This is what I guess will be promoted on TCM between every movie for the next month. Great! Better than nothing, however....
THE real Dr. Zaius is Maurice Evans. That idiot doesn't sound like Maurice Evans, doesn't look like Maurice Evans in the makeup, and isn't even wearing the right jacket! They might as well start the movie with the CGI Lawgiver from the Blu-ray. They should have gotten Linda Harrison and Lou Wagner.
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
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I have to agree, they should have gotten Linda or Lou to talk about the making of the film. This seems like a stunt and a juvenile stunt. Something that you'd do for a children's movie. I find that insulting and less likely to go.
You'll go. And if it was a double-feature with BENEATH, I'd bet you wouldn't even consider for a moment not going. ;)
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screenin |
.html.html It sounds very much like a stunt Arthur Jacobs would've done. ; ) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JamesA1102@... [pota]
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I have to agree, they should have gotten Linda or Lou to talk about the making of the film. This seems like a stunt and a juvenile stunt. Something that you'd do for a children's movie. I find that insulting and less likely to go.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote : OK, I had to watch this damn thing! Waste of time! This is what I guess will be promoted on TCM between every movie for the next month. Great! Better than nothing, however....
THE real Dr. Zaius is Maurice Evans. That idiot doesn't sound like Maurice Evans, doesn't look like Maurice Evans in the makeup, and isn't even wearing the right jacket! They might as well start the movie with the CGI Lawgiver from the Blu-ray. They should have gotten Linda Harrison and Lou Wagner. <.html |
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Date: 6/27/2016 |
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It sounds very much like a stunt Arthur Jacobs would've done. ; )
More like Stan Hough, or whoever had the bright idea of putting the Apemania replicas on the original Blu-ray release, or the rocket scientist at Fox in the '80s that said, "Let's put all five POTA movies out on Playhouse Video!" Genius.
This on top of the ignominious fate we now know happened to the spaceship prop has just been too much for me to bare. I want off this planet!
What's next? That bastard child from an insane orangutan mutant mother becoming president? Oh, the pain, the pain.
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It sounds very much like a stunt Arthur Jacobs would've done. ; )
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:31 PM
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Subject: [pota] Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screening
I have to agree, they should have gotten Linda or Lou to talk about the making of the film. This seems like a stunt and a juvenile stunt. Something that you'd do for a children's movie. I find that insulting and less likely to go.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :
OK, I had to watch this damn thing! Waste of time! This is what I guess will be promoted on TCM between every movie for the next month. Great! Better than nothing, however....
THE real Dr. Zaius is Maurice Evans. That idiot doesn't sound like Maurice Evans, doesn't look like Maurice Evans in the makeup, and isn't even wearing the right jacket! They might as well start the movie with the CGI Lawgiver from the Blu-ray. They should have gotten Linda Harrison and Lou Wagner.
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From: mlccougar |
Date: 6/28/2016 |
| Subject: Re: In case anyone needs extra motivation to go see the TCM screen.. |
.html.html .htmlWhy, what's wrong/was wrong with the Playhouse Video releases? They all seem(ed) all right to me, I never had an issue while watching them...
In a message dated 6/27/2016 8:18:21 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
or the rocket scientist at Fox in the '80s that said, "Let's put all five POTA movies out on Playhouse Video!"
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Why, what's wrong/was wrong with the Playhouse Video releases?
Duh! That they were sold on the Playhouse Video label, of course! That was a label for kid's movies! You might make that argument for BATTLE, but the others, especially the original, kid's movies? They were family entertainment, but meant for kid's to watch in the Playhouse?!!!
I find that insulting to those films' legacy, but unfortunately too many don't have a problem with it, even here, I guess.
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From: haristas |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: The Search Continues |
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There's been a small but important development in the story of the fate of the "Icarus" full-size prop.
John O'Callaghan has been something of a major POTA archeologist, which if you've bought and read his book, SIMIANS & SERIALISM, you'll know already (in fact, in most respects he may be THE current authority on these films). Anyway, he's a lurker here and saw the revelation disclosed about the photos on the ASNA site.
I got an email from him a couple days ago where he tells me that because of his knowledge of the UTAH/Arizona area where PLANET OF THE APES was filmed, he was suspicious of the contention that the photo of the prop when it became a restaurant/Inn sign was located in Flagstaff, Arizona. He's been to Flagstaff and for him the background hills didn't look like Flagstaff.
Some time on Google Earth and their street views has turned up that in fact those hills behind the Four Seasons Inn are located in Kanab, Utah, someplace that I have visited, and a place closer to Lake Powell than Flagstaff.
He also says that there's a Hollywood Museum in Kanab and there may be a chance the prop could have ended up there. I have my doubts about that, but he's on the trail to find out definitively the ultimate fate of Taylor's spaceship. Lawgiver, who knows what he might come up with?
Here's the photo of the sad fate of the prop again, with a photo of how the spot looks today. You can plainly see that the hills in the background match.
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From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
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.htmlBeen meaning to chime in on this since those photos first appeared, but been too busy.
I have my doubts that it is the movie prop, but more because of some details revealed by the photos themselves. I was immediately bothered by some of the internal 'framing' that we can see on the bottom of the ship now that it is battered and weathered and which now clearly protrudes slightly against the outer metal shell. It seems clear that there isn't any reinforcing material between the metal and the frame. While that may be OK for something that would be used as a display only prop it would not be built that way for the movie prop which we know was used for many exterior shots in which it would have to sustain a significant amount of weight (both the ship itself and the actors standing inside and popping out of, however briefly in the movie). I can't fathom them not using wood sheathing as a layer to ensure the ship keeps its shape and not bend as shown in these pictures.
I'm also a bit troubled regarding the dimensions of the forward canards and the 'wings'. Purely my opinion, but they don't quite look right. I wish I could spend more time comparing. I hope that I can also compare against the few photos I have which show the ship in an already slightly degraded state when it was still on the studio back lots. Dario |
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Message: 75250 |
From: mikem3978 |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
.htmlIf there is detective work to be done regarding POTA, John O'Callaghan is the man! Thanks John, and thanks Rory. Impressive work once again.
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---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote : There's been a small but important development in the story of the fate of the "Icarus" full-size prop.
John O'Callaghan has been something of a major POTA archeologist, which if you've bought and read his book, SIMIANS & SERIALISM, you'll know already (in fact, in most respects he may be THE current authority on these films). Anyway, he's a lurker here and saw the revelation disclosed about the photos on the ASNA site.
I got an email from him a couple days ago where he tells me that because of his knowledge of the UTAH/Arizona area where PLANET OF THE APES was filmed, he was suspicious of the contention that the photo of the prop when it became a restaurant/Inn sign was located in Flagstaff, Arizona. He's been to Flagstaff and for him the background hills didn't look like Flagstaff.
Some time on Google Earth and their street views has turned up that in fact those hills behind the Four Seasons Inn are located in Kanab, Utah, someplace that I have visited, and a place closer to Lake Powell than Flagstaff.
He also says that there's a Hollywood Museum in Kanab and there may be a chance the prop could have ended up there. I have my doubts about that, but he's on the trail to find out definitively the ultimate fate of Taylor's spaceship. Lawgiver, who knows what he might come up with?
Here's the photo of the sad fate of the prop again, with a photo of how the spot looks today. You can plainly see that the hills in the background match.
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Date: 6/30/2016 |
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Been meaning to chime in on this since those photos first appeared, but been too busy.
I have my doubts that it is the movie prop, but more because of some details revealed by the photos themselves. I was immediately bothered by some of the internal 'framing' that we can see on the bottom of the ship now that it is battered and weathered and which now clearly protrudes slightly against the outer metal shell. It seems clear that there isn't any reinforcing material between the metal and the frame. While that may be OK for something that would be used as a display only prop it would not be built that way for the movie prop which we know was used for many exterior shots in which it would have to sustain a significant amount of weight (both the ship itself and the actors standing inside and popping out of, however briefly in the movie). I can't fathom them not using wood sheathing as a layer to ensure the ship keeps its shape and not bend as shown in these pictures.
I'm also a bit troubled regarding the dimensions of the forward canards and the 'wings'. Purely my opinion, but they don't quite look right. I wish I could spend more time comparing. I hope that I can also compare against the few photos I have which show the ship in an already slightly degraded state when it was still on the studio back lots.
Dario
Hi Dario,
Well, I've spent some time comparing and I'm convinced it's the prop. The nose cone is not original, but that was damaged during the making of ESCAPE, and after it's use in the TV series, who knows how the prop was handled, but obviously it was banged around a lot.
Here's some more photos and look at the details I've pointed out with arrows that tell you it's the actual prop, including what looks like a person standing next to it to give it scale.
Hope all these photos come through and everyone can see them.
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From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
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.htmlGot to admit that if somebody went to the trouble of making a mockup for display only it would be unlikely that they would go to the trouble of make those holes. Unless they were true POTA fans! ;)
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From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Michael Wilson was born on this day in 1914, Friday, 01 July 2016 |
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Date: 6/30/2016 |
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From: jspy6688 |
Date: 6/30/2016 |
| Subject: Re: The Search Continues |
.htmlWow "those don't look like Flagstaff mountains, they look like Utah mountains..." Amazing. A step closer... and in the right direction this time.
Can't wait to see what he comes up with.
Anyone know why I can't see the images posted?
John
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From: jspy6688 |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
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From: haristas |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
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Got to admit that if somebody went to the trouble of making a mockup for display only it would be unlikely that they would go to the trouble of make those holes. Unless they were true POTA fans! ;)
Also, look at this cropped screen shot from ESCAPE showing the left side of the prop if you're looking at it from the point of the nose cone.
Look how banged up it is. It looks to me that in ESCAPE and in the first episode of the TV series, they just "fixed up" the right side of the prop, only doing what they had to do to make it look good on camera.
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Message: 75258 |
From: haristas |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
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Anyone know why I can't see the images posted?
John
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Message: 75259 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/1/2016 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
.htmlThis weekend here in America we celebrate the 240th anniversary of kicking those limey bastards our of our country. So to start your weekend off right a new installment of the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS is now online. Thank you to all who contributed.
To read the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE click the banner on the group's Yahoo! home page or this link: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/HI.htm.
Have a weekend 4th of July weekend everyone!
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