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I won this magazine on ebay.....It is "Bizarre!
Mystery Magazine" Vol.1 No. 2 November 1965 and
features a new story by Pierre Boulle. Not sure how
condensed it is.....I see right off the bat Jinn and
Phyllis are not in it...It says "Complete Short Novel"
on the cover...Not sure what that means!! It is called
Planet of the Apes in the mag and there are only two
illustrations... enclosed here....NAKED people
alert!!...which sort of look like the Hungarian
drawings...maybe they are! ......someone might have
shared these before but I hadn't seen them...

Tim

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Also, that's for uploading the pictures, it's always interesting to see how artists imagine these apes from Soror looking... I do have to say that I don't care for the lack of hair on the back of the neck of that ape surgeon, and I can never get used to apes wearing hats... Hats on apes just doesn't set right with me... Yeah, I know the apes on Soror are supposed to be "dressed as men are", but still... <.html

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yeah...hats on apes seems to just be the sign of the
times when it was written! I haven't read the story
yet to compare it to the whole novel...It does say on
the tiltle page, "Condensed with permission of the
publisher".....It doesn't say who illustrated it
either but all the illustrations in the magazine look
like the same artist....all a bit risque! ...I wonder
about the pose of the naked Merou tho....what the hell
is he doing?

Tim
--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> That's a pretty cool magazine you got... Did you
> bother reading any of it? If
> so, just how condensed of the book does it seem to
> be?
>
> Also, that's for uploading the pictures, it's always
> interesting to see how
> artists imagine these apes from Soror looking... I
> do have to say that I don't
> care for the lack of hair on the back of the neck of
> that ape surgeon, and I
> can never get used to apes wearing hats... Hats on
> apes just doesn't set right
> with me... Yeah, I know the apes on Soror are
> supposed to be "dressed as men
> are", but still...
>

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Funny you would ask. I was just thinking about that the other day. POTA2001 did get a bad rep. However, so did the first Star Trek movie. If only Fox would come up with something as good as Wrath of Kahn did for Star Trek, maybe POTA has a good chance to be revived on the big screen. The problem is, there is no POTA Gene Roddenberry.

*** There was a "Gene Roddenberry" for POTA, and his name was Arthur P. Jacobs.

Anyway, I have always heard that half of the problem with the dislike for ST:TMP was because of Gene Roddenberry!
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Um..... no.

I think I know what I brought, and just in case your wondering, yes I
do live in Australia. (where's the rolling eyes smiley face when you
need it, haha....)

On the other hand, to the guy who actually helped me out, THANKS!! :)

I might just go watch that ep now.... on tape.

JJ

> *** It must have been a different show you were thinking about,

because the

> PLANET OF THE APES television series wasn't released on home video

anywhere in

> the world except for the Australian market. (And it's release there

was just a

> short time before they put it out on DVD here in the States...)
>
>
> >
> > It was a scene where one of the astronats was in the run down

city and

> > was in one of the buildings. There was this big grey computer

there,

> > with all the obligatory flashing lights, and shaped like the size

of a

> > vending machine. And I think it either printed out a way for them

to

> > get home, or was going to tell them. I think it pretty much ended

the

> > episode there, like a cliffhanger
>
> *** "THE LEGACY" is the episode you're talking about, and no, it

didn't end

> in a cliffhanger... It ended with Councilor Zaius having the

machine blown up

> so it's "evil" couldn't get out and contaminate Ape Society...
>
> The machine itself played a hologram of an ancient scientist that

gave the

> fugitives the information they needed to locate the vault which

contained "the

> sum of all our scientific knowledge". They were able to locate it,

but by the

> time they were reunited with Virdon (who had been taken captive by

Urko) they

> were unable to do anything with it because Urko and Zaius were hot

on their

> trail... The fugitives fled the city, Zaius ordered the vault of

knowledge

> destroyed, and thta pretty much ended the episode (other than

Virdon saying farewell

> to Arn and Kraik...)
>

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I think I know what I brought, and just in case your wondering, yes I
do live in Australia. (where's the rolling eyes smiley face when you
need it, haha....)

On the other hand, to the guy who actually helped me out, THANKS!! :)

*** Who didn't help you out? I told you the episode you were talking about, I answered your questions without giving too much away...

So, I didn't help you out because I said that you might have been mistaken about it having been on tape? You didn't say you were in Australia where it actually WAS released on VHS... Had you been more clear as to all that it woulda helped (plus, you yourself said you were confused as to everything about where you seenit or thought you seen it...)

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Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Russian Boulle

Just that I remembered a friend is a Russian Linguist - should I ask him?

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Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 3:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Lost Apes song?

In a message dated 12/6/2006 9:07:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@yahoo. com writes:

a woman calling herself "Zira" said
that there was a record by a group called
SHABAM...song was called "On the Planet of the Apes"

 

What about the band, Ape Management?

I'm sure they have a POTA song or two.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 3:20 PM
To: POTA; POTA DG
Subject: [PotaDG] speaking of Monkey Planet

I won this magazine on ebay.....It is "Bizarre!
Mystery Magazine" Vol.1 No. 2 November 1965 and
features a new story by Pierre Boulle. Not sure how
condensed it is.....I see right off the bat Jinn and
Phyllis are not in it...It says "Complete Short Novel"
on the cover...Not sure what that means!! It is called
Planet of the Apes in the mag and there are only two
illustrations. .. enclosed here....NAKED people
alert!!...which sort of look like the Hungarian
drawings...maybe they are! ......someone might have
shared these before but I hadn't seen them...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 6:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Sequel to Burton's POTA's?

I know the current plan is to plan not to do another one.

Zanuck says if they do another one they'll take their time

and do it right.  Good advice.  They should have done that

in the first place.  Burton said he'd rather jump out a window

then make another one.  Good advice.  Wish he'd jumped out

a window before making this one.  Everyone else said they'd only

do another one if Burton would.  See Burton's conditions for it above.

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Just that I remembered a friend is a Russian Linguist - should I ask him?

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-- We've still got some signed limited edition Beware the Beast posters left as well!

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In a message dated 12/8/2006 3:47:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Is he a cunning one as well? A cunning linguist, a master of many tongues?! :-)

 

No, but he's a Master Debater.  ; )

 

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Well I guess we know where the ilustrator got their
inspiration !!

Tim

--- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> -- I have a copy of that magazine as well. What
> surprised me when I got
> it was the size. I was expecting a normal magazine
> sized magazine not a
> small book /digest sized one.
>
> What is interesting is how close the operating room
> line drawing is to
> the illustration that appeared the year before in
> the Saga magazine!
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 3:20 PM
> To: POTA; POTA DG
> Subject: [PotaDG] speaking of Monkey Planet
>
>
>
> I won this magazine on ebay.....It is "Bizarre!
> Mystery Magazine" Vol.1 No. 2 November 1965 and
> features a new story by Pierre Boulle. Not sure how
> condensed it is.....I see right off the bat Jinn and
> Phyllis are not in it...It says "Complete Short
> Novel"
> on the cover...Not sure what that means!! It is
> called
> Planet of the Apes in the mag and there are only two
> illustrations... enclosed here....NAKED people
> alert!!...which sort of look like the Hungarian
> drawings...maybe they are! ......someone might have
> shared these before but I hadn't seen them...
>
> .
>
>

<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m

>

sgId=42278/stime=1165468878/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848601/nc3=3848446>

>
>
>
>

I figured out what Merou was doing in this
picture.....flinging his poo!!!

Tim


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Cool!

--- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> -- Speaking of Russian Boulles, here are three
> illustrations from a
> weird version of his book. It is a 1975 Russian
> publication that is in
> French! Nothing spectacular with the pictures but
> one does have Hector
> in it.
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Whitty
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 10:15 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Russian Boulle
>
>
>
> Just that I remembered a friend is a Russian
> Linguist - should I ask
> him?
>
>
> .
>
>

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>

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what about the other drawing....was there a
predecessor for that?


--- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> -- I have a copy of that magazine as well. What
> surprised me when I got
> it was the size. I was expecting a normal magazine
> sized magazine not a
> small book /digest sized one.
>
> What is interesting is how close the operating room
> line drawing is to
> the illustration that appeared the year before in
> the Saga magazine!
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 3:20 PM
> To: POTA; POTA DG
> Subject: [PotaDG] speaking of Monkey Planet
>
>
>
> I won this magazine on ebay.....It is "Bizarre!
> Mystery Magazine" Vol.1 No. 2 November 1965 and
> features a new story by Pierre Boulle. Not sure how
> condensed it is.....I see right off the bat Jinn and
> Phyllis are not in it...It says "Complete Short
> Novel"
> on the cover...Not sure what that means!! It is
> called
> Planet of the Apes in the mag and there are only two
> illustrations... enclosed here....NAKED people
> alert!!...which sort of look like the Hungarian
> drawings...maybe they are! ......someone might have
> shared these before but I hadn't seen them...
>
> .
>
>

<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m

>

sgId=42278/stime=1165468878/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848601/nc3=3848446>

>
>
>
>

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what about the other drawing....was there a
predecessor for that?

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Funny you would ask. I was just thinking about that the other day. POTA2001 did get a bad rep. However, so did the first Star Trek movie. If only Fox would come up with something as good as Wrath of Kahn did for Star Trek, maybe POTA has a good chance to be revived on the big screen. The Problem is, there is no POTA Gene Rodenberry.

Wendy
====================================================

*** Roddenberry is wrongly viewed as the sole "creator" of STAR TREK, but the pilot he cooked up ("The Cage") was rejected. The second pilot ("Where No Man Has Gone Before") was what sold the series, and what made the series worth watching was a result of the inclusion in the Trek setting of ideas, characters, situations (etc) that Roddenberry did not create. Gene Coon, for instance, was responsible for much that Trek fans take for granted -- and ignorantly credit Roddenberry with creating. Roddenberry became notorious for stealing the thunder of others.

Roddenberry was responsible for the first (crappy) Trek film, which was essentially a re-hash of the original episode "The Changeling". Although the film made money (Trek-fans having been starved for the return of Kirk & Co.), it was a critical disaster. When it came time to crank out a sequel, they did the right thing by basically ignoring Roddenberry and bringing in Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer.

Roddenberry was essentially out-of-the-loop throughout the rest of the movies. Roddenberry always had a nonsensical ideosyncratic 'take' on what Trek was 'supposed' to be... a sort of Greenpeace in space that was not militaristic yet had military ranking systems and heavy-duty weaponry on their starships. Roddenberry was free to develop Trek along his own lines when he masterminded "Star Trek: The Next Generation" -- a mediocre spin-off that tried to backtrack to his original pilot (which is why Riker is called "Number One" just like Majel Barrett's character in "The Cage") and ignore the entire original series, just about. Like an idiot, he had a starship full of families , for cryin' out loud! And he had the doctor's girly-boy son, Wesley, manning the helm... flying the goddamned ship, even before he became an ensign in Starfleet! A teenaged boy flying a f***ing starship! Ye gods, it's as bad as when Lucas made lil' Anakin a hotrod racer and robot-maker during his slave days on Tatooine. Ugh!

ST:TNG was sheer bullshit, with the only saving grace being the 'presence' of Patrick Stewart on the bridge, to give it some gravitas . They didn't have the ability to create a character as interesting as Spock... so they split him into three characters: Worf (the "alien" amongst a crew comprised predominantly of humans, who was raised by humans and is somehow estranged from his own kind)... Data (the "logical"-thinking 'person' who -- like an upside-down Spock -- wants to be human rather than merely an android, Spock having sought to expunge his half-human attributes to become a 'pure' Vulcan)... and Troi (whose empathic abilities are reminiscent of Spock's Mind-Melding ability). Yet all three of these characters don't add up to one Spock.

Read "INSIDE STAR TREK " by Herb Solow and Robert Justman to see what Roddenberry was really like. As an example of how much of a swine he could be, when Alexander Courage wrote the original theme music for the show, Roddenberry took it upon himself to add mind-bogglingly horrible lyrics to it... and thus managed to get a "credit" as co-writer of the TV show's theme. That translates into money: the sale of sheet music went half to Courage and half to Roddenberry. Gene screwed Mr. Courage out of 50% of the profits for sale of each copy of that sheet music. And Courage never forgave him for it -- vowing never again to write music for STAR TREK, knowing that Roddenberry would just find a way to screw him out of his rightful salary somehow.

Roddenberry was in it for the money. He was a hack -- the worst of the Trek episodes were the ones he himself wrote ("The Omega Glory" for example). Every Trek-geek who gushes about Roddenberry does so under the false belief that he (and he alone) "created" STAR TREK... but that ain't so! Oh, he took the credit for having done so, but his input into the original series was vastly overrated.

Thank goodness that POTA did not have any Roddenberry involved to muck it all up! What POTA needs is somebody other than Zanuck involved in the producing end; Zanuck deserves thanks for getting the original POTA greenlighted, but his involvement in the crappy "re-imagining" didn't do us any favors. He & Burton got more money spent on one crappy film than it cost 'em to make all the original 5 movies and 14 episodes... and it's easily worse than the least-watchable of the original Apes films! Since Burton's fiasco came out, I've seen it only 3 times (once in the theater, twice on DVD) and it's doubtful that I'll watch it again in the next decade -- but I've seen all 5 of the original films at least 3 times every year for the last 10 years. I never get tired of 'em, and they're still eminently watchable. Burton's film makes me cringe, grit my teeth, and curse the day it got greenlighted.

"Beyonnnnnd the rim of star light..."

Yeesh, it doesn't even scan!

Patrick

 

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*** My, my, my... what a strategically-placed elbow in this
illustration! Just BARELY covers the nipper...

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> -- Is he a cunning one as well? A cunning linguist, a master of many
> tongues?! :-)
>
> Neil

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*** "You may be a cunning linguist, but I'm a master debater!"

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This is not good news at all.

 

T

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235440,00.htmlsPage=fnc.science/naturalscience

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--- Wendy Kostora <Willowape@... > wrote:

PS OT/ Have you heard about "His Dark Materials"
written by Phil Pullman? "The Golden Compass" will be
on the silver screen in 2007.

*** I've heard of Phil Pullman, but I've never read
his stuff. Would you say he's a Hard SF author, a
Science-Fantasy author, a bit of both? On a scale of 1
to 10, where would you rate his work?

Patrick

There seems to be a debate among scientists of whether
a vaccine would help and/or should it be introduced
into wild animals....

Tim


--- kidro85@... wrote:

> This is not good news at all.
>
> T
>
>

_http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235440,00.htmlsPage=fnc.science/naturals

> cience_
>

( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235440,00.htmlsPage=fnc.science/naturalscience)

>
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Cinema Bulletin

- Top headlines - 8:00pm PST - December 9th, 2006:

Trailer: The Reaping
Eastwood's "Iwo Jima" resonates in Japan
Director Woo Can't Film on Yangtze

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I have just created a new folder in the Files section called Production
> Art and uploaded a bunch of pictures to it:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Production%20Art/
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/sfupld?path=/Production%20A
> rt/>
>
> They are from the Behind DVD where the camera pans across various
> production paintings and drawings from Beneath and Battle. I have
> spliced various frames together to come up with a full picture for each
> of them (a bit like doing my Return Panoramas.)
>
> Neil
>
These are really nice thanks Neil. Love the little Battle paintings.

Best Graham.

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Mort Abrahms niece was on the other group

thinking that the original broadcast Behind POTA

was just an interview with her uncle.  That's strange.

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Hollywood chimps head to sanctuary - USATODAY.com

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Thanks Neil.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I have just created a new folder in the Files section called
Production
> Art and uploaded a bunch of pictures to it:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Production%20Art/
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/sfupld?
path=/Production%20A
> rt/>
>
> They are from the Behind DVD where the camera pans across various
> production paintings and drawings from Beneath and Battle. I have
> spliced various frames together to come up with a full picture for
each
> of them (a bit like doing my Return Panoramas.)
>
> Neil
>

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Damn Neil these are GREAT! Thanks for doing
these...they will be great wallpapers on the
computer...

nice banner on the home page too!
!
Tim


--- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> I have just created a new folder in the Files
> section called Production
> Art and uploaded a bunch of pictures to it:
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Production%20Art/

>

<http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/sfupld?path=/Production%20A

> rt/>
>
> They are from the Behind DVD where the camera pans
> across various
> production paintings and drawings from Beneath and
> Battle. I have
> spliced various frames together to come up with a
> full picture for each
> of them (a bit like doing my Return Panoramas.)
>
> Neil
>
>

wow....! I am glad that they are doing this...it will
be odd though if no one ever uses a chimp in a movie
or tv show again. .....surely there are apes that are
treated extremely well that have grown up in the
business.....

On a related note I taped (but have not yet watched)
an episode of NATURE on PBS last week dealing with
entertainment chimps that were sent to I believe that
same New Mexico place BEFORE it was a sanctuary....It
used to be a test lab where many chimps were infected
with HIV and worse...However a group of
conservationists sued the lab and won ownership of the
chimps and the building! Now they are lovingly treated
...I believe some of the early space chimps were there
as well....the group is also raising money to build
islands on farms around the country so that the chimps
can live out there lives in groups instead of
cages....
I will find out more info after I watch this
show....MILO where are you!?!?!?

Tim


--- TZer0@... wrote:

> _Hollywood chimps head to sanctuary - USATODAY.com_
>
>

(http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-12-10-reel-apes_x.htm?csp=34)

>
>

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Mort Abrahms niece was on the other group
thinking that the original broadcast Behind POTA
was just an interview with her uncle.  That's strange.

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Speaking of Apes and Cavemen . . .

Fox is selling double features now.

I just saw POTA2K1 paired with Quest For Fire.

 

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its real bad & sad, and we live in a country that will overcrowd our prisons with murderes & rapists, child molesters and more, i say do away with them and save the innocent apes.

 

T 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/12/2006 9:17:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Willowape@... writes:

This is tragic. What is more tragic is some people's attitudes toward this decimation, and perhaps extinction of these wonderful animals. Reading the comment board on AOL where I read the article, I was shocked over how some people felt the gorillas and even the Africans weren't worth saving from this deadly virulent disease, or that we should let evolution run its coarse, and so on. Of course, there were those who really care and is sadden by these animals demise. I'm glad POTA fans are those who care.

 

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--- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@... > wrote:

> I have just created a new folder in the Files

section called Production Art and uploaded a bunch of
pictures to it:

>
> They are from the Behind DVD where the camera pans

across various production paintings and drawings from
Beneath and Battle. I have spliced various frames
together to come up with a full picture for each of
them (a bit like doing my Return Panoramas.)

>
> Neil

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*** Great work, Neil. Why the hell couldn't FOX
include any of these on the DVDs as "extras"? When
critics rate each DVD release based on the content of
"Extras" (or, lack thereof), they're bound to grade
FOX as stingy. It doesn't make any sense for 'em to
ignore this archival material when it wouldn't take
much of an effort to compile it and put it on each DVD
for each movie. And, for that matter, for the TV show,
which also had pre-production artwork done for it.

Whatcha wanna bet that FOX is waiting for yet another
POTA DVD release, where they WILL include some more of
this "bonus" stuff... and many of us will shell out
even more dough yet again for their product!

Patrick

But even if they do, we won't care because Neil has already done the job.

Thanks again Neil!

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Tilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 6:57 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Behind Doco Production Art

> --- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> > I have just created a new folder in the Files
> section called Production Art and uploaded a bunch of
> pictures to it:
> >
> > They are from the Behind DVD where the camera pans
> across various production paintings and drawings from
> Beneath and Battle. I have spliced various frames
> together to come up with a full picture for each of
> them (a bit like doing my Return Panoramas.)
> >
> > Neil
> ==================================================
>
> *** Great work, Neil. Why the hell couldn't FOX
> include any of these on the DVDs as "extras"? When
> critics rate each DVD release based on the content of
> "Extras" (or, lack thereof), they're bound to grade
> FOX as stingy. It doesn't make any sense for 'em to
> ignore this archival material when it wouldn't take
> much of an effort to compile it and put it on each DVD
> for each movie. And, for that matter, for the TV show,
> which also had pre-production artwork done for it.
>
> Whatcha wanna bet that FOX is waiting for yet another
> POTA DVD release, where they WILL include some more of
> this "bonus" stuff... and many of us will shell out
> even more dough yet again for their product!
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:02 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 113

Marvel UK issue 113 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This issue has more of the Battle adaptation, and another installment of the re-printing of the Beneath adaptation. No letter column again this week.

 

https://pota. goatley.com

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Behind Doco Production Art

*** Great work, Neil. Why the hell couldn't FOX
include any of these on the DVDs as "extras"? When
critics rate each DVD release based on the content of
"Extras" (or, lack thereof), they're bound to grade
FOX as stingy. It doesn't make any sense for 'em to
ignore this archival material when it wouldn't take
much of an effort to compile it and put it on each DVD
for each movie. And, for that matter, for the TV show,
which also had pre-production artwork done for it.

 

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I missed this anime before it was licensed back

when it was free off the torrents, but when I heard

about the POTA parody opening I had to have it.

Very funny stuff.  Check it out if you get a chance.


T

 

 

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In a message dated 12/13/2006 4:19:11 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Instead of maybe putting this sort of stuff on a future DVD release I would rather they put out a book with all the production art and storyboards. Maybe they could even combine the art with the movie scripts?

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Have you seen any of this TV series pre-prosuction artwork?

If so, do you own any of it, and/or can you post whatever you do know of?



In a message dated 12/13/2006 10:51:41 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

And, for that matter, for the TV show, which also had pre-production artwork done for it.

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If so, we're in need of it for the APES radio spots/miscellaneous APES related tracks CD...

If you can provide a copy of this, you will receive a free copy of the CD when it's completed...

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Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Behind Doco Production Art

Patrick,

Have you seen any of this TV series pre-prosuction artwork?

If so, do you own any of it, and/or can you post whatever you do know of?

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Endangered gorillas prosper in heart of Africa
By Marie-Louise Gumuchian Wed Dec 13, 8:43 AM ET

PARC NATIONAL DES VOLCANS, Rwanda (Reuters) - One
hour's trek into the Rwandan rainforest, a crunching
sound breaks the silence that hangs over the misty
thick bush.


Slow and loud, it lasts for a few minutes, then stops
abruptly. Suddenly a gorilla's face peers through the
giant nettles to look at the tourists who have sweated
along jungle trails to catch a glimpse of him and his
family.

The 200-kg (440-lb) male, the silver-grey saddle on
his back signaling maturity, studies his visitors.

Then, his curiosity satisfied, the mountain gorilla
emerges from the bush, crawls to the top of a clearing
on the lush mountainside and continues loudly chomping
on his bamboo shoot.

A female follows and stretches out next to the
silverback, keeping a careful eye on the intruders as
her babies playfully fight, thumping their chests and
rolling down the hill.

Their low-pitched grunts are answered in kind by a
guide so both humans and gorillas know the others are
just observing. "Look at those babies," one tourist
marvels. "Aren't they amazing?"

Agashya and his family are among the world's 700-odd
surviving mountain gorillas who live in their natural
habitats in Rwanda, Uganda and Democratic Republic of
Congo.

Split between the Virunga volcanoes which straddle the
borders of the three central African countries and
Uganda's Bwindi National Park, the gorillas have
actually seen their numbers increase in the last few
years.

A 2003 census showed a 17 percent increase from 1989
to 380 mountain gorillas living around the Virunga
volcanoes in a series of three national parks. About
320 live in Bwindi.

"There is no difference in the number of births," said
Justin Rurangirwa, chief park warden of Rwanda's Parc
National des Volcans (PNV) where Agashya lives. "What
has changed is that there's no more poaching."

POACHING PATROLS

International studies of mountain gorillas began after
German explorer Oscar von Beringe became the first
non-African to encounter one in the Virungas in 1902.

In the two decades that followed, scientists and
trophy hunters killed over 50 mountain gorillas, the
International Gorilla Conservation Program says.
Hunting and habitat destruction have also driven them
to the verge of extinction.

Mountain gorillas are not hunted for bushmeat. Some
were poached to sell their hands and feet to
collectors. Others have been maimed or killed by traps
intended for other animals.

U.S. researcher Dian Fossey brought the gorillas
international fame with her efforts to save them from
poachers.

Fossey studied the gorillas in Rwanda before her
murder in 1985 -- her work was the subject of the 1988
Hollywood movie "Gorillas in the Mist."

Dedicated anti-poaching and conservation efforts,
which include close monitoring and working with locals
to protect the habitat, have helped increase numbers.

"There is a lot of protection and conservation. Not
only in Rwanda, Uganda and Congo, the whole world is
taking part," said guide Francis Bayingana. "We have
poaching patrols on a daily basis."

Bayingana said the last poaching incident in the
Rwandan park was in 2002 when two females were shot
dead, a baby taken and a silverback injured.

The gorillas have also been threatened by conflict in
Congo and Rwanda. Rebels would flit easily across the
region's borders and sometimes the gorillas were
caught in crossfire.

VISIT FOR $375

With its robust build, long muscular arms, massive
chest and broad hands and feet, the mountain gorilla
is closely related to man, sharing 98 percent of its
genetic material with humans.

That makes it vulnerable to many of the same diseases
-- but without necessary immunities so that a sickness
that may seem harmless to humans can be dangerous for
gorillas.

Tourists are told to stand at a certain distance from
the gorillas they encounter and must turn away to
cough.

A maximum of eight people are allowed to visit a group
each day and stay for just one hour. Each foreign
visitor pays $375 for the experience in Rwanda, where
seven groups of gorillas have become used to receiving
visitors.

To see the gorillas, which live 2,500 metres (8,200
ft) above sea level with some roaming higher, visitors
trek on muddy trails across rugged slopes covered in
bamboo, moss and stumps.

Hundreds visit every month and numbers are growing,
giving Rwanda's government a powerful incentive to
protect the animals in a country better known to many
for a 1994 genocide in which around 800,000 people
were killed.

"Gorillas are our national pride," Bayingana said.
"There has to be promotion of conservation."

About 10,650 tourists came to Rwanda's park last year.
Up to November this year, nearly 12,000 had been, park
figures show.

Agashya's Group 13 is the only one at the park which
has seen its numbers increase dramatically. From 7
members in 2002, Group 13 now counts 20 members. Other
groups are stable, although in the largest, rare twins
were born in 2004.

Although strong and powerful, the gorillas are
generally gentle. Tourists are told how to behave in
their presence -- whisper, no pointing, eating or
shouting when stung by a nettle.

Leaving bags and walking sticks with porters, they can
take cameras with them but no flash photography is
allowed.

And if a gorilla charges, stand still unless told to
crouch or move back. Despite the fearful looks from
the animals, Bayingana is reassuring.

"They don't mind our presence," he said. "They do what
they do unless we disturb them."

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.html In a message dated 12/14/2006 7:32:21 AM Central Standard Time, snickertown@... writes:

The letters for Revolution POTA # 6 were outstanding. Michael's letter about the artwork and how the fans want Neil to draw the Apes was very well put and I agree 100%.

*** I agreed with him also... And what he said about Kent Burles was right on track... Kent's depiction of APES is absolutely HORRIBLE... His apes look like a cross between a toad/frog and an ape or something...***

If MR Comics moves ahead and creates Empire POTA maybe they can resurrect an artist from the Marvel comics POTA?   

*** Aren't most of those guys quite retired? I really doubt they'd be able to get them even if they wanted to... Besides, most of the APES drawings from MARVEL weren't really that good... They looked ok in a few spots, but for the most part, I don't think they're anything worth wanting to bring back...***

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In a message dated 12/14/2006 8:55:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** Aren't most of those guys quite retired? I really doubt they'd be able to get them even if they wanted to... Besides, most of the APES drawings from MARVEL weren't really that good... They looked ok in a few spots, but for the most part, I don't think they're anything worth wanting to bring back...***

 

I agree. 

Neil has them all beat by a mile, hands down.

 

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How 'bout Ploog?

Ploog... He's the one who drew TERROR isn't he? If so, then nope, not a fan of Ploog's work...

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Tonight on Kimmel they did a bit about the White House Press Corps.

When the President called on the AP Man it was a guy in makeup

saying that he was the A P E man, and that he'd been there

for years and that he should know his name by now.

 

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When the President called on the AP Man it was a guy in makeup
saying that he was the A P E man, and that he'd been there

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, 15 December 2006 3:50 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] APE Man

Tonight on Kimmel they did a bit about the White House Press Corps.

When the President called on the AP Man it was a guy in makeup

saying that he was the A P E man, and that he'd been there

for years and that he should know his name by now.

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Sent: Friday, 15 December 2006 1:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

Ploog... He's the one who drew TERROR isn't he? If so, then nope, not a fan of Ploog's work...

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In a message dated 12/15/2006 12:29:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** Exactly what kind of "ape makeup" are we talking about here? ***

 

Did you ever see the ape make up in the later episodes of MST3K?

It looked almost exactly like that.

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In a message dated 12/15/2006 1:25:09 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Kimmel? What's that? Is it a show with the bloke who used to do the Man Show?



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In a message dated 12/15/2006 1:25:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Kimmel? What's that? Is it a show with the bloke who used to do the Man Show?

 

Neil

 

Yes, both he and Adam Carolla have talk shows. 

Carolla's was more of a one-on-one like Charlie Rose.

It never really took off, and now he's filling the void left

when Howard Stern left terrestrial radio and went to

satellite.  Jimmy Kimmel's show is more like the

Letterman/'Leno format and is opposite Conan O' Brian.

 

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.html In a message dated 12/15/2006 12:43:56 PM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:

Did you ever see the ape make up in the later episodes of MST3K? It looked almost exactly like that.

*** So, in other words, it was a pauper's version of APE-MANIA's stuff (which itself is a poor man's version of John Chamber's/APJAC's original stuff...)

The APES look keeps getting poorer and poorer as time goes by... Too bad really...

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Seriously though Mike, why don't you like Ploog's ape art?

*** I guess it's "ok" after looking at a few pictures from TERROR, but I really don't dig it... I really do prefer the way you draw the apes (or the way the guy who drew for the UK Annuals drew them)... I prefer them to look more like they should, and Ploog's art doesn't do it right IMO...

I mean look at the way he drew the chimps for example: Their hair is way too high (like chimps with pompadours almost), and their heads look too big because of it... And the gorillas, well they suck with their bangs and all... He drew humans ok, but his apes leave something to be desired...

I'd prefer the artist who drew MONKEY PLANET over Ploog too... I guess I'd rather either have them drew like you draw them (or close to it) or even a more "real" looking ape...<.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 9:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

Ape fans want Bolton or Foster, and (as Mike said) if you stray from that you would want to be drawing apes as they are in the wild, but clothed.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 10:53 AM
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Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

I did like Gary Challoner’s URCHAK......

 

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