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Group: potadg Message: 42378 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: POTA Begins page 7
Group: potadg Message: 42379 From: gp3085 Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42380 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42381 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42382 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42383 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42384 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42385 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42386 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2413
Group: potadg Message: 42387 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42388 From: Chris Hight Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42389 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42390 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42391 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42392 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2413
Group: potadg Message: 42393 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42394 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Home Page Picture
Group: potadg Message: 42395 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Another Hungarian Monkey Planet
Group: potadg Message: 42396 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Hungarian comic
Group: potadg Message: 42397 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Home Page Picture
Group: potadg Message: 42398 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: The Ashes (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 42399 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Ploog
Group: potadg Message: 42400 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Another Hungarian Monkey Planet
Group: potadg Message: 42401 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42402 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
Group: potadg Message: 42403 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42404 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42405 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42406 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42407 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42408 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42409 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Ploog
Group: potadg Message: 42410 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42411 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
Group: potadg Message: 42412 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42413 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42414 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42415 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: The Disc
Group: potadg Message: 42416 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42417 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: TV Show Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42418 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Anime
Group: potadg Message: 42419 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anime
Group: potadg Message: 42420 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anime
Group: potadg Message: 42421 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anime - oh Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 42422 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: rory
Group: potadg Message: 42423 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Anime
Group: potadg Message: 42424 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: TV Show Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42425 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: rory
Group: potadg Message: 42426 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42427 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ploog
Group: potadg Message: 42428 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
Group: potadg Message: 42429 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ploog
Group: potadg Message: 42430 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42431 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Anime - oh Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 42432 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Anime
Group: potadg Message: 42433 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
Group: potadg Message: 42434 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: rory
Group: potadg Message: 42435 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: rory
Group: potadg Message: 42436 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution #6
Group: potadg Message: 42437 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42438 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
Group: potadg Message: 42439 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: rory
Group: potadg Message: 42440 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
Group: potadg Message: 42441 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
Group: potadg Message: 42442 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
Group: potadg Message: 42443 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
Group: potadg Message: 42444 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Anime
Group: potadg Message: 42445 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
Group: potadg Message: 42446 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Poll results for PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42447 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
Group: potadg Message: 42448 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418
Group: potadg Message: 42449 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Marvel UK issue 114
Group: potadg Message: 42450 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 114
Group: potadg Message: 42451 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
Group: potadg Message: 42452 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
Group: potadg Message: 42453 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: TV References
Group: potadg Message: 42454 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42455 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42456 From: John Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42457 From: John Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42458 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: POTA Begins, page #8
Group: potadg Message: 42459 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 42460 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 42461 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Monty Zuma's Revenge (Python)
Group: potadg Message: 42462 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Jeff's Xmas card...
Group: potadg Message: 42463 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42464 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42465 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42466 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Jeff's Xmas card...
Group: potadg Message: 42467 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42468 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42469 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Monty Zuma's Revenge (Python)
Group: potadg Message: 42470 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Have a great Christmas everyone!
Group: potadg Message: 42471 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.com/
Group: potadg Message: 42472 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: potadg Message: 42473 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Holiday
Group: potadg Message: 42474 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
Group: potadg Message: 42475 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
Group: potadg Message: 42476 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Holiday
Group: potadg Message: 42477 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!



Group: potadg Message: 42378 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: POTA Begins page 7
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    Hot off the presses:
     
     
    Neil
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 42379 From: gp3085 Date: 12/15/2006
    Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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    Begins is back! Nice magnetic disc. Poor Hector, missing an eye like
    that...

    Greg

    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
    > File : /Comics/POTA Begins/07 pencils.jpg
    > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
    > Description :
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    Group: potadg Message: 42380 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
    Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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    That’s OK – it’s human to generalise....like at the moment I am thinking all English cricketers are shit....  J !!!!  xoxoxo

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
    Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 12:07 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

     

    -- Sorry I should have specified that I meant the art in the regular run of Adventure comics. Yes some of the art in some of the Adventure mini-series comics was good. One example, as you mentioned, was Gary Challoner's art.

     

    Neil

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
    Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 10:53 AM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
    Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

    I did like Gary Challoner’s URCHAK......

     

    Web Bug from http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId=42376/stime=1166230652/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848627/nc3=3848432


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    Group: potadg Message: 42381 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
    Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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    .html

    Page looks great Neil!

     

    So does anyone else recognise the disc?

    These pages are really well drawn, but I am hoping I won’t lose anyone because there are abstract elements....

     

    Michael

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gp3085
    Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 12:11 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

     

    Begins is back! Nice magnetic disc. Poor Hector, missing an eye like
    that...

    Greg

    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, PotaDG@yahoogroups. com wrote:

    > File : /Comics/POTA Begins/07 pencils.jpg
    > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@.. .>
    > Description :


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    Group: potadg Message: 42382 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
    Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
    .html
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    Yeah I don’t know where I got the name HECTOR....maybe coz it rhymes with VECTOR.....!   
    J

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gp3085
    Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 12:11 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

     

    Begins is back! Nice magnetic disc. Poor Hector, missing an eye like
    that...

    Greg


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    Group: potadg Message: 42383 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/15/2006
    Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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    -- Along with some umpires as well. Shit isn't the word I would use though for the cricketers though, that would be spineless!
     
    Neil
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
    Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 11:36 AM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

    That’s OK – it’s human to generalise.. ..like at the moment I am thinking all English cricketers are shit....  J !!!!  xoxoxo

    .

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    Group: potadg Message: 42384 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2006
    Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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    .html

    Must agree about the umpiring – at critical times too – but they are neutral so it may only be a matter of time before the favour is repaid!

     

    Still, the Poms are the only team in the world that come CLOSE to the Aussies....good times are a comin’!

     

    Michael

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
    Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 12:46 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

     

    -- Along with some umpires as well. Shit isn't the word I would use though for the cricketers though, that would be spineless!

     

    Neil

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
    Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 11:36 AM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
    Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #6

    That’s OK – it’s human to generalise.. ..like at the moment I am thinking all English cricketers are shit....  J !!!!  xoxoxo

    .

    Web Bug from http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId=42380/stime=1166233163/nc1=3858793/nc2=3848619/nc3=3848432


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    Group: potadg Message: 42385 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/15/2006
    Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
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    That would be incredible! sort of like Disney does
    with thier "The Art of..." series.....

    Tim

    --- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

    > -- Instead of maybe putting this sort of stuff on a
    > future DVD release I
    > would rather they put out a book with all the
    > production art and
    > storyboards. Maybe they could even combine the art
    > with the movie
    > scripts?
    >
    > Neil
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
    > Of Patrick Tilton
    > Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:58 AM
    > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Behind Doco Production Art
    >
    >
    >
    > *** Great work, Neil. Why the hell couldn't FOX
    > include any of these on the DVDs as "extras"? When
    > critics rate each DVD release based on the content
    > of
    > "Extras" (or, lack thereof), they're bound to grade
    > FOX as stingy. It doesn't make any sense for 'em to
    > ignore this archival material when it wouldn't take
    > much of an effort to compile it and put it on each
    > DVD
    > for each movie. And, for that matter, for the TV
    > show,
    > which also had pre-production artwork done for it.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: potadg Message: 42386 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: Digest Number 2413
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    Neil, you and I seem to have exactly the same taste in art. As far
    as i'm concerned, Ploog is a god among apes.
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    Group: potadg Message: 42387 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
    .html
    Oh the disc is quite familiar! Nice work guys!
    Tim
    --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

    > Page looks great Neil!
    >
    >
    >
    > So does anyone else recognise the disc?
    >
    > These pages are really well drawn, but I am hoping I
    > won't lose anyone
    > because there are abstract elements....
    >
    >
    >
    > Michael
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
    > gp3085
    > Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 12:11 PM
    > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
    >
    >
    >
    > Begins is back! Nice magnetic disc. Poor Hector,
    > missing an eye like
    > that...
    >
    > Greg
    >
    > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.
    > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
    > PotaDG@yahoogroups.
    > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com wrote:
    > > File : /Comics/POTA Begins/07 pencils.jpg
    > > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
    > > Description :
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >


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    Group: potadg Message: 42388 From: Chris Hight Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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    That Lawgiver sub-story in issue 5 could have been flatout incredible if Neil drew it and probably cheaper to produce. I'd kick in an extra 5 dollars for the graphic novel if Mr Comics breaks the artist Ken's hands or at very least gives him a stern talking too. ;)
     
    Despite the shoddy artwork and the not so great storyline I'll still need to pick-up a couple copies of the graphic novel. At very least Ty created the best Apes comic ever made.
     
    Why is Aldo drawn like a regular gorilla?

    Do You Yahoo!?

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    Group: potadg Message: 42389 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
    >
    > -- Actually I am one Apes fan who doesn't mind too much if an artist
    > doesn't get the look exactly like the actual make-up as long as the art
    > is still well done.
    >
    >Well that makes two of us :)

    I think,particularly this day and age when we all own the film something you could only dream of in the 70's, that any comic has to be first and formost a good comic.

    I've ranted about the tyranny of the photo in the past , it's just that if the comics are going to be "worth" some thing (I don't mean in a financial sense ) they got to bring something to the table.

    That Ploog shot, from Terror, of the secret gorilla base, the treehouses with a gorilla in the forground pointing off panel fantastic atmospheric stuff that only the comic could produce.

    If I need my fix of the movie apes well I've got the films...

    Best wishes Graham.

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    Group: potadg Message: 42390 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
    >
    > That's OK - it's human to generalise....like at the moment I am thinking all
    > English cricketers are shit.... :-)!!!! xoxoxo
    >
    >
    >
    > Oh you Australians, you know how to kick a man when he's down :)

    Best Graham. 

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    Group: potadg Message: 42391 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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    Thanks for page 7 guys. It's been a while. I'm not sure how that last
    page fits in with the previous stuff at all (but assume it's gonna get
    sorted in another page or so).
    The disc? Gotta be the one from the TV series.

    Dario

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
    Date: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:43 pm
    Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

    > Page looks great Neil!
    >
    >
    >
    > So does anyone else recognise the disc?
    >
    > These pages are really well drawn, but I am hoping I won't lose anyone
    > because there are abstract elements....
    >
    >
    >
    > Michael
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
    > Behalf Of
    > gp3085
    > Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 12:11 PM
    > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
    >
    >
    >
    > Begins is back! Nice magnetic disc. Poor Hector, missing an eye
    > like
    > that...
    >
    > Greg
    >
    > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
    > PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com wrote:
    > > File : /Comics/POTA Begins/07 pencils.jpg
    > > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
    > > Description :
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >
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    Group: potadg Message: 42392 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: Digest Number 2413
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    Put me in that same bunch. What Ploog did with Terror was phenomenal.
    The hooded gorillas on a rampage was simply astounding. Never forgot
    that stuff from the day I first layed eyes on it.

    Dario

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
    Date: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:14 am
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2413

    > Neil, you and I seem to have exactly the same taste in art. As far
    > as i'm concerned, Ploog is a god among apes.
    >
    >
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    Group: potadg Message: 42393 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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    .html

    It’s not supposed to be clear yet but more to capture interest.

     

    If it isn’t clear in another couple of pages I’ll explain it to you!  J

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
    Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 8:37 AM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

     

    Thanks for page 7 guys. It's been a while. I'm not sure how that last
    page fits in with the previous stuff at all (but assume it's gonna get
    sorted in another page or so).


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    Group: potadg Message: 42394 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Home Page Picture
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    Just want to thank Graham Hill for the use of his POTA X-mas card as the home page picture. As usual a fantastic painting from Graham and a nice bit of humour too!
     
    Neil
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 42395 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/16/2006
    Subject: Another Hungarian Monkey Planet
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    Just like when you are waiting for a bus which never comes and suddenly a bunch of them show up together, another Hungarian Monkey Planet comic has surfaced!
     
     
     
    Neil
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 42396 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/17/2006
    Subject: Hungarian comic
    .html
    >5. Another Hungarian Monkey Planet
    >Just like when you are waiting for a bus which never comes and suddenly
    >a bunch of them show up together, another Hungarian Monkey Planet comic
    >has surfaced!

    Interestingly, this is from the same guy who sold the last one (the
    one Dave bought).
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    Group: potadg Message: 42397 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
    Subject: Re: Home Page Picture
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      Yeah that’s pretty darned cool – makes me feel he is opening ME up, looking at him like that!

      Michael

       

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
      Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 9:44 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Home Page Picture

       

      Just want to thank Graham Hill for the use of his POTA X-mas card as the home page picture. As usual a fantastic painting from Graham and a nice bit of humour too!

       

      Neil


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      Group: potadg Message: 42398 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: The Ashes (OT)
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      That’s nothing!

       

      Q:  What do you call an English cricketer with a century against his name?

       

      A:  A bowler!

       

      J

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
      Sent:
      Sunday, 17 December 2006 5:21 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution #6

       


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > That's OK - it's human to generalise.. ..like at the moment I am
      thinking all
      > English cricketers are shit.... :-)!!!! xoxoxo
      >
      >
      >
      > Oh you Australians, you
      know how to kick a man when he's down :)

      Best Graham. 


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      Group: potadg Message: 42399 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Ploog
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      Ploog is ALMOST as good as Neil!  ;)

       

      Actually, Dave Ballard showed Ploog a copy of Beware the Beast and apparently Ploog was quite impressed.

       

      Nice story for the grandchildren Neil!  J

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
      Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 8:40 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2413

       


      Put me in that same bunch. What Ploog did with Terror was phenomenal.
      The hooded gorillas on a rampage was simply astounding. Never forgot
      that stuff from the day I first layed eyes on it.

      Dario


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      Group: potadg Message: 42400 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Another Hungarian Monkey Planet
      .html
      .html

      Take extreme caution with this seller!

      When I sent him $60US cash for the comic, he waited months and told me it never turned up.

       

      I had the sense to send the cash registered, but there’s no paper trail for Hungary so it was never proven that he did or didn’t receive the cash.

       

      Eventually, he got me to PayPal payment for something here in Australia and sent the comic after that was confirmed paid.

       

      I strongly believe I was ripped off and I would strongly urge people to be extremely careful if you do business with this guy!

      Michael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
      Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 10:03 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Another Hungarian Monkey Planet

       

      Just like when you are waiting for a bus which never comes and suddenly a bunch of them show up together, another Hungarian Monkey Planet comic has surfaced!

       

       

       

      Neil


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      Group: potadg Message: 42401 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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      This is another important point – can a POTA cartoon be permitted to be a CARTOON?

      I mean, when I watch BATMAN – The Animated Series, well I know there’s a lot of silly stuff going on but I say to myself “It’s only a cartoon” and I enjoy it for what it is.

       

      Why do we take POTA so seriously?  Certainly not because the writers throughout the history of the series did!  Maybe because they didn’t?

       

      It’s a good question hey?

      Michael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
      Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 5:15 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution #6

       


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

      >
      > -- Actually I am one Apes fan who doesn't mind too much if an artist
      > doesn't get the look exactly like the actual make-up as long as the art
      > is still well done.
      >
      >Well that makes two of us
      :)

      I think,particularly this day and age when we all own the film something you could only dream of in the 70's, that any comic has to be first and formost a good comic.

      I've ranted about the tyranny of the photo in the past , it's just that if the comics are going to be "worth" some thing (I don't mean in a financial sense ) they got to bring something to the table.

      That Ploog shot, from Terror, of the secret gorilla base, the treehouses with a gorilla in the forground pointing off panel fantastic atmospheric stuff that only the comic could produce.

      If I need my fix of the movie apes well I've got the films...

      Best wishes Graham.


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      Group: potadg Message: 42402 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
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      And the one I bought....and Neil and I have observed him sell 2 between Dave’s and this one.....

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
      Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 12:01 AM
      To: potadg@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Hungarian comic

       


      >5. Another Hungarian Monkey Planet
      >Just like when you are waiting for a bus which never comes and suddenly
      >a bunch of them show up together, another Hungarian Monkey Planet comic
      >has surfaced!

      Interestingly, this is from the same guy who sold the last one (the
      one Dave bought).


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      Group: potadg Message: 42403 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Revolution #6
      .html


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
      > Why do we take POTA so seriously? Certainly not because the writers
      > throughout the history of the series did!
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >

      It's because we've all turned in to grumpy old men :)

      "In my day..."  "we were lucky to live in a hole in the ground..."

      Best wishes Graham.

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      Group: potadg Message: 42404 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Revolution #6
      .html
      Maybe not a cartoon, but Anime. I watch alot of Japanese
      animation movies and series and I think that if it was done like
      somethink like the recent Japanese anime movies that came out the last
      couple of years (i.e. Howl's Moving Castle and Spirited Away which won
      an Academy award for best animation).

      For me. I would like to see how they would do Zaius,
      Cornelius and Zira in animation.

      Kevin

      -----Original Message-----
      From: whitty@...
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 5:55 PM
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution #6



      This is another important point – can a POTA cartoon be permitted to
      be a CARTOON?



      I mean, when I watch BATMAN – The Animated Series, well I know there's
      a lot of silly stuff going on but I say to myself "It's only a cartoon"
      and I enjoy it for what it is.



      Why do we take POTA so seriously? Certainly not because the writers
      throughout the history of the series did! Maybe because they didn't?



      It's a good question hey?



      Michael



      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
      Of Graham Hill
      Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 5:15 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution #6




      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
      >
      > -- Actually I am one Apes fan who doesn't mind too much if an artist
      > doesn't get the look exactly like the actual make-up as long as the
      art
      > is still well done.
      >
      >Well that makes two of us [Image Removed]

      I think,particularly this day and age when we all own the film
      something you could only dream of in the 70's, that any comic has to be
      first and formost a good comic.

      I've ranted about the tyranny of the photo in the past , it's just
      that if the comics are going to be "worth" some thing (I don't mean in
      a financial sense ) they got to bring something to the table.

      That Ploog shot, from Terror, of the secret gorilla base, the
      treehouses with a gorilla in the forground pointing off panel fantastic
      atmospheric stuff that only the comic could produce.

      If I need my fix of the movie apes well I've got the films...

      Best wishes Graham.






      --




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      Group: potadg Message: 42405 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/15/2006 7:49:23 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


      So does anyone else recognise the disc?


      *** Yup, it's in the style of the disc from the TV series...***
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      Group: potadg Message: 42406 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/15/2006 8:53:33 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:


      That would be incredible! sort of like Disney does
      with thier "The Art of..." series.....


      *** I'm guessing that these ideas that Neil and Patrick threw around would "maybe" fly if the APES films were new... It seems releases of all the new films get the extras added, because it's probably a lot easier for them to do it, being that they wouldn't have to raid their archives for things that may not even exist anymore...***
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      Group: potadg Message: 42407 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Revolution #6
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 7:34:46 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


      This is another important point – can a POTA cartoon be permitted to be a CARTOON?


      *** Well, to answer your question, just look at RETURN... It has a lot of the "silly stuff" that you speak of...

      But anyway, just because something is animated doesn't mean it has to be a "cartoon", you know what I mean? If there ever would be an APES animated series, I'd hope they would do it as a serious program... (But yes, it could have the few bits of humor, etc. that are in the original films/TV series...)
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      Group: potadg Message: 42408 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Revolution #6
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 7:34:46 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


      Why do we take POTA so seriously?


      I take APES seriously because of PLANET... Sure there may be a few scenes in it that should be forgotten (the "three apes in the courtroom"!), but that film really is a serious film... It deserves to be looked upon as such, and I don't like when people look at it the way they do because of what they made APES into later on... That's not to say I don't like the sequels, I do, but after PLANET they lost a lot of the fire that PLANET has...
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      Group: potadg Message: 42409 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Ploog
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 7:36:47 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


      Actually, Dave Ballard showed Ploog a copy of Beware the Beast and apparently Ploog was quite impressed.


      *** And he should be! Ploog should also said, "Damn, that gorilla LOOKS like a gorilla should! No bangs on that one..."
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      Group: potadg Message: 42410 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Revolution #6
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 10:31:30 AM Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

      For me, I would like to see how they would do Zaius, Cornelius and Zira in animation.


      *** I would be against the idea of using those exact characters... I mean they already existed, so why keep rehashing them over and over and over?

      I'd prefer they create NEW characters... The new ones could be based on what came before, but I'd be pissed if they were just retreads... I mean look at the TV series: They created Galen who, like his film predecessors, became sympathetic towards creatures he thought of as lower... But Galen was not Cornelius, so it shows that it can be done...
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      Group: potadg Message: 42411 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 7:41:06 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:



      And the one I bought....and Neil and I have observed him sell 2 between Dave's and this one.....



      *** Whitty,

      I feel your warning against this guy was fair... It sure does sound like he tried running you thru the wringer...

      Anyway, as far as the other two you're speaking of, did they go for (roughly) the same amount you paid for your's? ***
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      Group: potadg Message: 42412 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
      .html
      Pre-proSUCTION artwork? Isn't that a bit harsh?

      As Neil mentioned, Kassidy's site has it; as I recall, it was primarily
      storyboards for the Farrow-Spaceship scene.

      Hey, the stuff is out there, and I don't see why we POTA fans can't
      have our jones the same way that STAR WARS geeks get umpteen printings
      of the STAR WARS screenplays with storyboard art and stills, etc etc.
      Thank goodness for sites like Kassidy's which host these little nuggets
      of POTA history on 'em. I may never have known of those storyboards if
      it weren't for her site. "THE ART OF STAR WARS"... howabout "THE ART OF
      PLANET OF THE APES" dammit!

      How many OTHER storyboards are out there, I wonder? They must've done
      them for the movies -- they don't just take a script and a camera &
      lights and roll film. They PLAN each shot, and storyboarding has been
      around since the beginning of Cinema, I'd wager. We've all seen the
      preproduction artwork portfolio that Arthur P. Jacobs took around to
      all the studios. And we've seen the Bill Creber blueprints of the ANSA
      ship. But the storyboarding for the actual film... where ARE they???

      Ah... the Fox vaults. We'll get to see all the official CIA files on
      the Kennedy Assassination before we'll be privileged enough to see
      every last nugget of POTA-related gold in the Fox Vaults, I fear.

      Patrick

      P.S. Has the cold-&-flu season kicked anybody else in the ass? Man oh
      man, I've never been south of the Rio Grande, but I feel like I've
      gotten a case of Montezuma's Revenge...! :(
      ==============================================================

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
      >
      > Patrick,
      >
      > Have you seen any of this TV series pre-prosuction artwork?
      >
      > If so, do you own any of it, and/or can you post whatever you do know
      of?
      >
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 12/13/2006 10:51:41 AM Central Standard Time,
      > patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
      > And, for that matter, for the TV show, which also had pre-production
      artwork done for it.
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      Group: potadg Message: 42413 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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      .html
      In a message dated 12/17/2006 10:33:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:
      For me. I would like to see how they would do Zaius,
      Cornelius and Zira in animation.
       
      . . . with less lip movement than the movie.
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      Group: potadg Message: 42414 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
      .html
      .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 1:38:06 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:



      Pre-proSUCTION artwork? Isn't that a bit harsh?

      *** That was a typo man, just a typo...***
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      Group: potadg Message: 42415 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: The Disc
      .html
      .html

      Yes – when we decided to have a disc, we thought it would be cool to make it reminiscent of the TV Show disc.

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
      Sent:
      Sunday, 17 December 2006 8:37 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

      The disc? Gotta be the one from the TV series.

      Dario


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      Group: potadg Message: 42416 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
      .html
      .html

      That’s why you migrate to Australia at this time of year!

       

      Middle of summer....

       

      Michael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
      Sent:
      Monday, 18 December 2006 6:30 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Behind Doco Production Art

      P.S. Has the cold-&-flu season kicked anybody else in the ass? Man oh
      man, I've never been south of the
      Rio Grande, but I feel like I've
      gotten a case of Montezuma's Revenge...! :(


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      Group: potadg Message: 42417 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: TV Show Doco Production Art
      .html
      .html

      Well it IS the TV Show so it COULD have been your sub-conscious!  ;)

      Michael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
      Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 8:45 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Behind Doco Production Art

       

      In a message dated 12/17/2006 1:38:06 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilto n@... writes:


      Pre-proSUCTION artwork? Isn't that a bit harsh?

      *** That was a typo man, just a typo...***


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      Group: potadg Message: 42418 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Anime
      .html
      .html

      I am fairly sure Neil has done a few examples.....

       

      Michael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
      Sent:
      Monday, 18 December 2006 6:58 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution #6

       

      In a message dated 12/17/2006 10:33:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@aol. com writes:

      For me. I would like to see how they would do Zaius,
      Cornelius and Zira in animation.

       

      . . . with less lip movement than the movie.


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      Group: potadg Message: 42419 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/17/2006
      Subject: Re: Anime
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      Attachments :
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        -- Well only one. This one:
         
         
         
        Neil
        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
        Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 7:45 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Anime

        I am fairly sure Neil has done a few examples.... .

        .

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        Group: potadg Message: 42420 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/17/2006
        Subject: Re: Anime
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        Attachments :
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          -- And here's a colour version:
           
           
           
          Neil
          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
          Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 7:45 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Anime

          I am fairly sure Neil has done a few examples.... .

          .

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          Group: potadg Message: 42421 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
          Subject: Re: Anime - oh Ty....
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            Hey Ty,
            Wouldnt a POTA Manga make an interesting back up feature for your next series?
             
            Or maybe you could do a TIME OF THE APES featurette!
            Bill
             
             
            In a message dated 12/17/2006 7:10:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

            -- Well only one. This one:
             
             
             
            Neil
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 7:45 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
            Subject: [PotaDG] Anime

            I am fairly sure Neil has done a few examples.... .

            .

             
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            Group: potadg Message: 42422 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/17/2006
            Subject: rory
            .html
            I wa just wondering about Rory....hadn't heard from
            him in a while! You okay Rory??

            Tim


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            Group: potadg Message: 42423 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
            Subject: Re: Anime
            .html
            .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 4:03:37 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:



            I am fairly sure Neil has done a few examples.....

            *** That's one look I'd hate to see for APES...
            I cannot stand those huge oversized eyes that style of art seems to love!!! ***



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            Group: potadg Message: 42424 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/17/2006
            Subject: Re: TV Show Doco Production Art
            .html
            .html In a message dated 12/17/2006 4:02:20 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


            Well it IS the TV Show so it COULD have been your sub-conscious!


            *** Nah, I'm fine with the TV series...  (I like it better than BATTLE for sure!) ***
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            Group: potadg Message: 42425 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: rory
            .html
            .html

            Yes, I heard from Rory a few months back.

             

            He’s moved to North Carolina .

             

            He said he’ll re-join once he is settled.

             

            Michael

             

            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 1:43 PM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [PotaDG] rory

             

            I wa just wondering about Rory....hadn' t heard from
            him in a while! You okay Rory??

            Tim


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            Group: potadg Message: 42426 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
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            .html Message
            -- That's the thing though isn't it? With us Apes fans it's all wishful thinking and sadly if it was ever to be done it would be one of us that did it not Fox or anyone else.
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 4:10 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Behind Doco Production Art

            *** I'm guessing that these ideas that Neil and Patrick threw around would "maybe" fly if the APES films were new... It seems releases of all the new films get the extras added, because it's probably a lot easier for them to do it, being that they wouldn't have to raid their archives for things that may not even exist anymore...** *
            .

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            Group: potadg Message: 42427 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Ploog
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            .html Message
            -- And Dave was kind enough to get Mr. Ploog to sign a copy for me! It is now one of my treasured possessions of course!
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
            Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 8:52 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [PotaDG] Ploog

            Actually, Dave Ballard showed Ploog a copy of Beware the Beast and apparently Ploog was quite impressed.

            .

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            Group: potadg Message: 42428 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
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            -- Which makes me wonder if it really is super rare even in Hungary like he makes out or has he got a whole stack of these ready to sell on eBay?
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
            Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 11:01 PM
            To: potadg@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [PotaDG] Hungarian comic


            Interestingly, this is from the same guy who sold the last one (the
            one Dave bought).

            .

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            Group: potadg Message: 42429 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Ploog
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            -- Woah slow down there tiger! If I had even half the talent that he has in his little finger I would be very happy!
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
            Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 8:52 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [PotaDG] Ploog

            Ploog is ALMOST as good as Neil!  ;)

            .

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            Group: potadg Message: 42430 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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            -- I agree, totally new characters would be the way to go.
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 4:37 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution #6

            *** I would be against the idea of using those exact characters.. . I mean they already existed, so why keep rehashing them over and over and over?

            I'd prefer they create NEW characters.. . The new ones could be based on what came before, but I'd be pissed if they were just retreads... I mean look at the TV series: They created Galen who, like his film predecessors, became sympathetic towards creatures he thought of as lower... But Galen was not Cornelius, so it shows that it can be done...
            .

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            Group: potadg Message: 42431 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Anime - oh Ty....
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            -- Speaking of Time of the Apes did anyone else ever see this description / review of it by some bloke who was selling it on eBay? Very funny:
             
            "Back in the 60's the Japanese bought a load of Planet of the Apes materials and decided to make their own version of the movie, with interesting results, finally it's here, it's a classic and a must own, let me tell you why!

            Johnny (Masaaki Kaji) and Caroline (Hiroko Saito) are annoying Japanese schoolchildren straight out of GODZILLA flick central casting. Johnny has that round, moon face that suggests too many dumplings and a role as the teenager Sammo Hung in a made-for-TV bio-pic while Caroline sports white knee-highs, pigtails, and a denim jumper over a Holly Hobbie blouse, securing a place for her in the hearts and minds of freaky Japanese schoolgirl fetish fans everywhere.

            While visiting the hi-tech lab of Uncle Charlie, the kids and chaperone Catherine (Reiko Tokunaga) take refuge from an earthquake in capsules that shield them from the falling debris, not to mention the danger of that big cardboard "computer" catching fire from the blinking lightbulbs jammed into it.

            The good news is they survive the earthquake. The bad news is they wake up several thousand years into the future on... wait for it... a planet ruled by apes! (You were expecting something else from a flick called TIME OF THE APES?)

            What follows is one of the most entertaining "so bad it's great" gems I've seen in years. All the cliche POTA subplots can be found in abundance... the area the apes are afraid to venture into; Pepe, the helpful ape child (played Kazue Takita), who looks like a kid in an Ewok mask; Godo, the obligatory "wildman" (Tetsuya Ushio) who might as well come from a tribe called "The Beatniks" with his turtleneck sweater and wild beard; in-fighting within the ape community; and, oh, so much more.

            Unlike "official" APES entries, TIME OF THE APES steers clear of any "messages" like racial harmony, technology gone awry or man's inhumanity to man for most of its 98 minute running time. That changes during a revealing encounter between our "naked ape" humans and Police Chief Gebar (Baku Hatakeyama), which is pronounced "Gay Bar" throughout the flick.

            Thanks to some name-clearing footage provided by a buttinsky of a UFO and the good-natured wisdom of the sartorially resplendent Commander (Wataru Omae), our heroes are given the opportunity to live a life that basically translates to "separate but equal" status. Until, of course, an encounter with a supercomputer that explains (sorta) how apes came to rule and gives our intrepid time-travelers a chance to travel even further into the future or live life on another planet. Some choices huh!

            What the computer does not explain is: how the apes came into possession of leftover uniforms from a civil war re-enactment society; why the Commander wears a costume that can only be described as Dolemite Meets Colonel Sanders; what the origin of the CB antenna, um, I mean "laser whip" is; how - if it's a few thousand years in the future - the apes are driving a fine selection of 1960s/70s muscle cars; or, if Uncle Charlie's smoking around the "highly sensitive" computer equipment had anything to do with thrusting our heroes into the future.

            With all the junk that's clogging up the 600 cable channels we get, I find it hard to believe somebody wasn't willing to air the 26 episodes that make up the entire Japanese TV series from which this flick was edited together. I guarantee it would immediately become my favorite show on television!"

             
            Neil
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of atragon1@...
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 10:14 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anime - oh Ty....

            Or maybe you could do a TIME OF THE APES featurette!
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            Group: potadg Message: 42432 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Anime
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            -- Yeah that's what I hate about it as well, those damn eyes! Most of the artwork is amazing but they always have to have those stupid eyes and the stupid expressions.
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 2:49 PM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anime

            *** That's one look I'd hate to see for APES... I cannot stand those huge oversized eyes that style of art seems to love!!! ***
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            Group: potadg Message: 42433 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Behind Doco Production Art
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            -- Yeah and stinking bloody hot! And us ex-pats are meant to try and believe it is Christmas time in this bloody weather?! ;-)
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 7:44 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Behind Doco Production Art

            That’s why you migrate to Australia at this time of year!

             

            Middle of summer....

            .

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            Group: potadg Message: 42434 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: rory
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              Glad I sent him a Christmas card. Guess he won't be getting it. - - - Jeff
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:54 PM
            Subject: RE: [PotaDG] rory

            Yes, I heard from Rory a few months back.

             

            HeÂ’s moved to North Carolina.

             

            He said heÂ’ll re-join once he is settled.

             

            Michael

             

            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
            Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 1:43 PM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
            Subject: [PotaDG] rory

             

            I wa just wondering about Rory....hadn' t heard from
            him in a while! You okay Rory??

            Tim


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            Group: potadg Message: 42435 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: rory
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            Hey Jeff

             

            He should get it – he forwarded his mail.

             

            Sorry – I am not sure if I was supposed to pass this on to the group...so blame me OK?  J

            Michael

             

            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
            Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 12:13 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] rory

             

              Glad I sent him a Christmas card. Guess he won't be getting it. - - - Jeff

             

            ----- Original Message -----

            Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:54 PM

            Subject: RE: [PotaDG] rory

             

            Yes, I heard from Rory a few months back.

             

            He’s moved to North Carolina.

             

            He said he’ll re-join once he is settled.

             

            Michael

             


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            Group: potadg Message: 42436 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Re: Revolution #6
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            -- And even luckier if our father thrashed us to sleep with a broken bottle. You tell that to kids these days and they won't believe you... ;-)
             
            Neil
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
            Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 11:44 PM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution #6

            It's because we've all turned in to grumpy old men :)

            "In my day..."  "we were lucky to live in a hole in the ground..."

            .

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            Group: potadg Message: 42438 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
            Subject: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
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              A little while ago Rich Handley mentioned that he had obtained a page of unused artwork that was apparently going to be used in the Marvel magazine back in the '70's before it was cancelled.
               
              Rich has very kindly shared this page with us and a scan of it has been uploaded to the files section for those that don't get the email attachments.
               
              Thanks Rich.
               
               
              Neil
               
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              Group: potadg Message: 42439 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/18/2006
              Subject: Re: rory
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              Hey wait...I"M in North Carolina..>! any idea what
              city? Maybe I can check out his rare POTA items and
              silently steal them....er....admire them ....!

              tim


              --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

              > Yes, I heard from Rory a few months back.
              >
              >
              >
              > He's moved to North Carolina.
              >
              >
              >
              > He said he'll re-join once he is settled.
              >
              >
              >
              > Michael
              >
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
              > Tim "apefan"
              > Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 1:43 PM
              > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [PotaDG] rory
              >
              >
              >
              > I wa just wondering about Rory....hadn't heard from
              > him in a while! You okay Rory??
              >
              > Tim
              >
              >
              > --
              >


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              Group: potadg Message: 42440 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/18/2006
              Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
              .html
              Does the copy you have feel and look like it's 30
              years old? or is it perhaps a repro?

              Tim


              --- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

              > -- Which makes me wonder if it really is super rare
              > even in Hungary like
              > he makes out or has he got a whole stack of these
              > ready to sell on eBay?
              >
              > Neil
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
              > Of Rich Handley
              > Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 11:01 PM
              > To: potadg@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [PotaDG] Hungarian comic
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Interestingly, this is from the same guy who sold
              > the last one (the
              > one Dave bought).
              >
              > .
              >
              >
              <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
              >
              sgId=42396/stime=1166360786/nc1=3848606/nc2=3858795/nc3=3848446>
              >
              >
              >
              >


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              Group: potadg Message: 42441 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/18/2006
              Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
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              -- The copy I scanned definitely appears to be the genuine article and not a reproduction, I'm 100 percent sure of that. As for all these new copies suddenly turning up, I wouldn't know.
               
              Also like I said none of us really knows just how rare these are in Hungary do we? What I do know is that the artist/author, Erno Zorad, was probably the most famous comic book artist in his country so you would have thought they should have printed quite a few copies of it.
               
              Neil
               
              -----Original Message-----
              From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
              Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 10:01 AM
              To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Hungarian comic

              Does the copy you have feel and look like it's 30
              years old? or is it perhaps a repro?

              Tim

              --- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

              > -- Which makes me wonder if it really is super rare
              > even in Hungary like
              > he makes out or has he got a whole stack of these
              > ready to sell on eBay?

              .

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              Group: potadg Message: 42442 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
              Subject: Re: Hungarian comic
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              .html

              The one Neil and I used is original – or a copy that would have cost plenty to get that way!  ;)

               

              -----Original Message-----
              From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
              Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 11:01 AM
              To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Hungarian comic

               

              Does the copy you have feel and look like it's 30
              years old? or is it perhaps a repro?

              Tim

              --- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

              > -- Which makes me wonder if it really is super rare
              > even in Hungary like
              > he makes out or has he got a whole stack of these
              > ready to sell on eBay?
              >
              > Neil
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
              > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com]
              On Behalf
              > Of Rich Handley
              > Sent: Sunday, 17 December 2006 11:01 PM
              > To: potadg@yahoogroups. com
              > Subject: [PotaDG] Hungarian comic
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Interestingly, this is from the same guy who sold
              > the last one (the
              > one Dave bought).
              >
              > .
              >
              >
              <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=8605785/ grpspId=17050214 37/m
              >
              sgId=42396/stime= 1166360786/ nc1=3848606/ nc2=3858795/ nc3=3848446>
              >
              >
              >
              >

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              Group: potadg Message: 42443 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/18/2006
              Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
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              Thanks Rich – this is fascinating!

               

              I am hoping one day to find someone who can tell me what Marvel intended to do with their POTA comics.

               

              It was a critical day in my life when I discovered they stopped the comic – right up there with finding out about the tooth fairy, Santa and the Easter Bunny!

               

              Michael

               

              -----Original Message-----
              From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
              Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 8:48 AM
              To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [PotaDG] Unused Marvel Comic Page!

               

              A little while ago Rich Handley mentioned that he had obtained a page of unused artwork that was apparently going to be used in the Marvel magazine back in the '70's before it was cancelled.

               

              Rich has very kindly shared this page with us and a scan of it has been uploaded to the files section for those that don't get the email attachments.

               

              Thanks Rich.

               

              Neil


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              Group: potadg Message: 42444 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/19/2006
              Subject: Re: Anime
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                In a message dated 12/18/2006 4:29:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:
                -- Yeah that's what I hate about it as well, those damn eyes! Most of the artwork is amazing but they always have to have those stupid eyes and the stupid expressions.
                 
                Neil
                 
                Like this?
                 
                Have a Happy Ranma Christmas!!!
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                Group: potadg Message: 42445 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/19/2006
                Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
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                -- We need to find out who to contact about the end of the Marvel run of comics.
                 
                I suppose one person who would definitely know would be Doug Moench who wrote all the stories for the POTA mag. Has anyone ever been in contact with him or know where to get in touch with him?
                 
                Neil
                 
                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 10:43 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Unused Marvel Comic Page!

                I am hoping one day to find someone who can tell me what Marvel intended to do with their POTA comics.

                .

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                Group: potadg Message: 42446 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/19/2006
                Subject: Poll results for PotaDG
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                The following PotaDG poll is now closed. Here are the
                final results:


                POLL QUESTION: When would you want any new Apes stories to be set?

                CHOICES AND RESULTS
                - Between Conquest and Battle, 0 votes, 0.00%
                - Between Battle and Planet, 4 votes, 50.00%
                - Between Planet and Beneath, 0 votes, 0.00%
                - Between Escape and Conquest, 1 votes, 12.50%
                - None, just go with something totally new & original, 3 votes, 37.50%



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                Group: potadg Message: 42447 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/19/2006
                Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
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                -- Well one thing this page does show is that Marvel did have stories and artwork ready to go which would make sense as they would have had to have had stuff ready to print way ahead of any release date.
                 
                Rich, is there anymore information you have about this page at all?
                 
                Neil
                 
                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 10:43 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Unused Marvel Comic Page!

                Thanks Rich – this is fascinating!

                I am hoping one day to find someone who can tell me what Marvel intended to do with their POTA comics.

                 

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                Group: potadg Message: 42448 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/20/2006
                Subject: Re: Digest Number 2418
                .html
                >Posted by: "Neil T Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
                >I suppose one person who would definitely know would be Doug Moench who
                >wrote all the stories for the POTA mag. Has anyone ever been in contact
                >with him or know where to get in touch with him?

                No idea, but it sounds like something someone should definitely do.

                >Rich, is there anymore information you have about this page at all?

                I wish I could tell you more, but I know nothing else about it.
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                Group: potadg Message: 42449 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/20/2006
                Subject: Marvel UK issue 114
                .html
                The latest issue is now available to download from Hunter's site. This issue continues both the Battle adaptation and the reprinting of the Beneath adaptation. As a special holiday bonus, the letter column is back, with two pages of letters for all you letter column fans.
                 
                I'll be traveling next Wednesday and won't have internet access, so you're all on your own to find your way to Hunter's site to download issue 115 next week.
                 
                Hope you all have a nice, safe holiday.
                 
                Greg
                 
                 
                 
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                Group: potadg Message: 42450 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/20/2006
                Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 114
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                .html Message
                -- Thanks Greg, and thanks in advance for next week!
                 
                Neil
                 
                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
                Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:57 PM
                To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
                Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 114

                The latest issue is now available to download from Hunter's site. This issue continues both the Battle adaptation and the reprinting of the Beneath adaptation. As a special holiday bonus, the letter column is back, with two pages of letters for all you letter column fans.
                 
                I'll be traveling next Wednesday and won't have internet access, so you're all on your own to find your way to Hunter's site to download issue 115 next week.
                 
                Hope you all have a nice, safe holiday.
                .

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                Group: potadg Message: 42451 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/21/2006
                Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
                .html


                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
                >
                > -- We need to find out who to contact about the end of the Marvel run of
                > comics.
                >
                > I suppose one person who would definitely know would be Doug Moench who
                > wrote all the stories for the POTA mag. Has anyone ever been in contact
                > with him or know where to get in touch with him?
                >
                > Neil
                >
                >
                 I think Moench has been asked a couple of times about unused Marvel strips, possibly in the magazines Comicbook market place or comicbook artists, and doesn't remember much.I'll see if I can find a quote.

                Best Graham.

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                Group: potadg Message: 42452 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/21/2006
                Subject: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
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                .html

                Thanks Graham, I’d like to see that!


                Michael

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
                Sent: Friday, 22 December 2006 5:14 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!

                 


                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

                >
                > -- We need to find out who to contact about the end of the Marvel run of
                > comics.
                >
                > I suppose one person who would definitely know would be Doug Moench who
                > wrote all the stories for the POTA mag. Has anyone ever been in contact
                > with him or know where to get in touch with him?
                >
                > Neil
                >
                >
                 I think Moench has been asked a couple of times about unused Marvel strips, possibly in the magazines Comicbook market place or comicbook artists, and doesn't remember much.I'll see if I can find a quote.

                Best Graham.


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                Group: potadg Message: 42453 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/21/2006
                Subject: TV References
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                Ugly Betty had a Statue of Liberty Claus in their Post-Apocalyptic magazine shoot.
                 
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                Group: potadg Message: 42454 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2006
                Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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                  Group: potadg Message: 42456 From: John Date: 12/22/2006
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                  hehehehe. What the Hell is going on here?


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                  Group: potadg Message: 42457 From: John Date: 12/22/2006
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                  Sure wish I could see what all the hub bub is about.

                  --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
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                  > What would motivate someone to do THIS?
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                    Group: potadg Message: 42461 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/23/2006
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                    But I'd have to change my name to 'Bruce' just so that you Aussies
                    wouldn't get confused...

                    "I-i-i-i-immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable,
                    Heidegger Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the
                    table,
                    etc etc etc.

                    Patrick
                    =========================================================

                    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > That's why you migrate to Australia at this time of year!
                    >
                    > Middle of summer....
                    >
                    > Michael
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
                    >
                    > P.S. Has the cold-&-flu season kicked anybody else in the ass? Man
                    oh man, I've never been south of the Rio Grande, but I feel like I've
                    gotten a case of Montezuma's Revenge...! :(
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                    Group: potadg Message: 42462 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/23/2006
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                    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Glad I sent him a Christmas card. Guess he won't be getting it. -
                    - - Jeff
                    ====================================================================

                    *** Hey, Jeff, *I* got the card you sent me... "Citizen Cane" (... as
                    in a candy cane, held by an orangutan 'Santa'). Thanks!

                    As the Beatles used to say in their radio messages to their fans
                    (which I've heard played on some of our local radio stations), "Merry
                    Kringle!" What with all the hullaballoo regarding the so-called War
                    On Christmas that Bill O'Reilly and John Gibson at FOX News rant
                    about, lambasting those who say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry
                    Christmas", I've taken to saying "Merry Kringle" in a Lennon-esque
                    voice.

                    A "War On Christmas"! HAH! War is the forcible seizing of territory
                    that doesn't belong to you, and Christmas has been stealing days from
                    the calendar for YEARS. Christmas itself is ONE DAY of the year, the
                    25th of December. Okay, throw in Christmas Eve, the 24th. That's TWO
                    days. Oh, but WAIT! There's those "12 Days of Christmas" like the
                    song says... now Christmas-Nazis have gobbled up nearly ONE THIRTIETH
                    of the calendar year! And THIS year, I swear, I saw Xmas decorations
                    in department stores even BEFORE Halloween was over! That's TWO
                    MONTHS of the calendar year -- ONE SIXTH of the year! AAAAAAUUUGHHH!

                    Christmas has annexed fully the last two months of the year, and then
                    some. Nobody in their right mind starts saying "Happy Valentine's
                    Day" in mid-December... but the Xmas-Nazis want to get everybody in
                    the Christmas spirit no later than the beginning of November. And I
                    say, "ENOUGH!" If there's gonna be this stupid so-called "War On
                    Christmas" then sign me up -- on the Anti-Xmas side! Call me a
                    Scrooge or a Grinch, I don't CARE! I HATE CHRISTMAS! I hate hearing
                    Christmas carols on the damned radio for WEEKS leading up to the
                    dreaded day!

                    The ONLY thing I like about the Yuletide season is to straighten out
                    all those Christians who think that "Jesus is the reason for the
                    season". A guy named James Arthur wrote a book titled "MUSHROOMS AND
                    MANKIND: The Impact of Mushrooms on Human Consciousness and Religion"
                    (if you do a Google search on it, you'll find the whole book online
                    with tons of color photos -- the printed edition I own is verbatim
                    what's on his website, and the photos in the book [except for the
                    cover photos] are all B&W).

                    The upshot of it is that "Santa Claus" is a Christianized
                    bastardization of a Siberian shaman -- who wore Red & White duds to
                    connect him with the Red & White 'cap' on the Magic Mushroom, amanita
                    muscaria, which contains psilocybin: a psychoactive substance which
                    gave people religious ecstatic "visions" millennia before
                    Christianity appeared on the scene. The shaman would eat the 'shroom,
                    have hallucinations that he can fly, etc. Those 'shrooms grow at the
                    foot of FIR TREES, and will be eaten by the REINDEER indigenous to
                    that part of the world unless they're harvested by people first.
                    Since a human hallucinates a "flying" experience after eating those
                    magic mushrooms, then it makes sense to think that a reindeer, too,
                    will "fly" after it eats 'em, right?

                    The constellation we call URSA MAJOR was called "the Wain"
                    (or "Wagon") by the Northern Europeans before the Greco-Romans
                    overlaid their own Mediterranean myths onto the constellations of the
                    Northern Sky. The "Wagon"/"Wain" is a circumpolar constellation,
                    going eternally round & round & round the Pole Star. The "flying"
                    shaman would hallucinate that he is riding in that wagon, pulled by
                    the "flying" reindeer, wearing his Red & White duds... flying his
                    wagon/wain/sleigh over the entire northern hemisphere (which wheels
                    beneath that constellation circling overhead).

                    Sound familiar?

                    When they picked those 'shrooms, they would hang 'em in front of
                    their hearth, to dry 'em out before they ingested them. Just like
                    Christmas stockings in the old "traditional" way!

                    Way back when, when Constantine adopted Christianity as the official
                    religion of the Roman Empire (325 A.D.), that new official state
                    religion tried to wipe out all "pagan" religions. It built churches
                    over the sacred sites of the "pagan" peoples... turned the "gods" of
                    the pagans into so-called Christian "saints" (like Brigid)... and,
                    when they couldn't keep the peoples of Northern Europe from
                    maintaining their ages-old "pagan" traditions, they "Christianized"
                    those traditions, to give them a false gloss of Christianity. That's
                    how a Siberian shaman became "St. Nicholas"/Santa Claus.

                    The original "present" under the tree, during the Yuletide season,
                    was the MAGIC MUSHROOM. It grows naturally under fir trees in
                    Northern Europe (or, "supernaturally" in that those magical plants
                    are not "planted" but appear miraculously... due to the fact that
                    they are the result of invisible spores generating seemingly out of
                    nowhere). Way before a priesthood was imposed on them, those peoples
                    would have experiential religious sensations -- all due to ingesting
                    the psychoactive substance psilocybin from those mushrooms.

                    Anybody today, in America, who would dare to re-experience the TRUE
                    meaning of those pre-Christian "Christmas" symbols, could get
                    arrested under the unconstitutional "drug laws".

                    Like I said, the ONLY think I still dig about the "Christmas" season
                    is the chance to blow the minds of the Jesus Freaks who don't have a
                    clue about the true nature of the all-too-"pagan" holiday that Rome
                    tried to smother with its innocuous Saint Nick bastardization.
                    They'll never look at their "Christmas" tree the same way...

                    All the same, though, thanks again for the card, Jeff. I may be a
                    tired-of-Xmas heretic, but I still appreciate a kind thought!

                    Patrick
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                    Group: potadg Message: 42463 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/23/2006
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                      Neil
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                      Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 10:18 AM
                      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                      What would motivate someone to do THIS?

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                      Group: potadg Message: 42464 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/23/2006
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                        Actually the "Che Ceasar" is quite a popular t-shirt. I have seen it a few times over the years.
                        Bill
                         
                        In a message dated 12/23/2006 7:06:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

                        -- To make money off of idiots?
                         
                        Neil
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                        Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 10:18 AM
                        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                        Subject: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                        What would motivate someone to do THIS?

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                        Group: potadg Message: 42465 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2006
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                          This is not Che Caesar.

                           

                          That’s Zaius’ head and unlike Caesar’s no real effort has been made to make it fit into Che’s outline!

                           

                          Michael

                           

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of atragon1@...
                          Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2006 11:46 AM
                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                           

                          Actually the "Che Ceasar" is quite a popular t-shirt. I have seen it a few times over the years.

                          Bill

                           

                          In a message dated 12/23/2006 7:06:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

                          -- To make money off of idiots?

                           

                          Neil

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                          Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 10:18 AM
                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                          Subject: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                          What would motivate someone to do THIS?

                          .

                          Web Bug from http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId=42455/stime=1166833238/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848601/nc3=4299912

                           


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                          Group: potadg Message: 42466 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2006
                          Subject: Re: Jeff's Xmas card...
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                          Patrick

                           

                          Whatever Christmas WAS or COULD HAVE BEEN or IS or ISN”T, to me it is a special day where families and friends share mirth and presents.

                           

                          Don’t worry about the history – think about NOW!

                           

                          Go have a great day and get a bit tipsy!

                          Michael

                           

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
                          Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2006 3:48 AM
                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Jeff's Xmas card...

                           

                          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

                          >
                          > Glad I sent him a Christmas card. Guess he won't be getting it. -
                          - - Jeff
                          ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==

                          *** Hey, Jeff, *I* got the card you sent me... "Citizen Cane" (... as
                          in a candy cane, held by an orangutan 'Santa'). Thanks!

                          As the Beatles used to say in their radio messages to their fans
                          (which I've heard played on some of our local radio stations), "Merry
                          Kringle!" What with all the hullaballoo regarding the so-called War
                          On Christmas that Bill O'Reilly and John Gibson at FOX News rant
                          about, lambasting those who say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry
                          Christmas", I've taken to saying "Merry Kringle" in a Lennon-esque
                          voice.

                          A "War On Christmas"! HAH! War is the forcible seizing of territory
                          that doesn't belong to you, and Christmas has been stealing days from
                          the calendar for YEARS. Christmas itself is ONE DAY of the year, the
                          25th of December. Okay, throw in Christmas Eve, the 24th. That's TWO
                          days. Oh, but WAIT! There's those "12 Days of Christmas" like the
                          song says... now Christmas-Nazis have gobbled up nearly ONE THIRTIETH
                          of the calendar year! And THIS year, I swear, I saw Xmas decorations
                          in department stores even BEFORE Halloween was over! That's TWO
                          MONTHS of the calendar year -- ONE SIXTH of the year! AAAAAAUUUGHHH!

                          Christmas has annexed fully the last two months of the year, and then
                          some. Nobody in their right mind starts saying "Happy Valentine's
                          Day" in mid-December. .. but the Xmas-Nazis want to get everybody in
                          the Christmas spirit no later than the beginning of November. And I
                          say, "ENOUGH!" If there's gonna be this stupid so-called "War On
                          Christmas" then sign me up -- on the Anti-Xmas side! Call me a
                          Scrooge or a Grinch, I don't CARE! I HATE CHRISTMAS! I hate hearing
                          Christmas carols on the damned radio for WEEKS leading up to the
                          dreaded day!


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                          Group: potadg Message: 42467 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/23/2006
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                          In a message dated 12/23/2006 8:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

                          This is not Che Caesar.

                           

                          That's Zaius' head and unlike Caesar's no real effort has been made to make it fit into Che's outline!

                           

                          Michael

                          True.. I dont care for the Che Zaius. The Che Ceasar is quite clever - as Che and Ceasar are both revolutionaries and have very similar hair styles. That image has been around for quite some time.
                          Bill
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                          Group: potadg Message: 42468 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2006
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                          I agree Bill and the Che Caesar pops up everywhere (FAR more common than seeing a POTA T Shirt!).

                           

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of atragon1@...
                          Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2006 12:12 PM
                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                           

                          In a message dated 12/23/2006 8:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

                          This is not Che Caesar.

                           

                          That’s Zaius’ head and unlike Caesar’s no real effort has been made to make it fit into Che’s outline!

                           

                          Michael

                          True.. I dont care for the Che Zaius. The Che Ceasar is quite clever - as Che and Ceasar are both revolutionaries and have very similar hair styles. That image has been around for quite some time.

                          Bill


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                          Group: potadg Message: 42469 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
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                          Michael Baldwin wasn’t a “Bruce”!

                           

                          You feeling better yet Patrick?

                          Michael

                           

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
                          Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2006 2:59 AM
                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monty Zuma's Revenge (Python)

                           

                          But I'd have to change my name to 'Bruce' just so that you Aussies
                          wouldn't get confused...

                          "I-i-i-i-immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable,
                          Heidegger Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the
                          table,
                          etc etc etc.

                          Patrick
                          ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

                          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

                          >
                          > That's why you migrate to Australia at this time of year!
                          >
                          > Middle of summer....
                          >
                          > Michael
                          >
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                          [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
                          Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilto n
                          >
                          > P.S. Has the cold-&-flu season kicked anybody else in the ass? Man
                          oh man, I've never been south of the Rio Grande, but I feel like I've
                          gotten a case of Montezuma's Revenge...! :(


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                          Group: potadg Message: 42470 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
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                          Just struck midnight in Australia (we get to celebrate a few hours before the US and Europe ).

                           

                          Have a hAPEpy and safe one!

                          Michael

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                          Group: potadg Message: 42471 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
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                            http://sfwriter.com/2006/12/bottom-of-taylors-starship-revealed.html"

                             

                            Thursday, December 21, 2006

                            The bottom of Taylor's starship revealed (Planet of the Apes)



                            There's a lot of discussion in Planet of the Apes fandom about what the back end of Colonel Taylor's ANSA spaceship looked like. The ship is only ever seen partially submerged in water in the film (at Lake Powell), so the details of the rear end have been left mostly to the imagination. William Creber, the gifted art director who designed it (he also designed the original miniature of the spaceship from Lost in Space, another of my favorite ships) has said in interviews that not a lot of thought was given to the back end because it wasn't going to be shown on screen.

                            I've never seen the image above anywhere else, and so I thought I'd share it here. Where's it from, you ask? Actor Roddy McDowall's home movies of the making of the original Planet of the Apes, from 1967, included on disk number two of the Ultimate Planet of the Apes collection Fox released in an ape-head case earlier this year. Not that the spaceship -- which fans have dubbed Icarus, although that name isn't canonical -- is pointed out in the home movies; it isn't and McDowall doesn't seem to notice it himself.

                            The above is a detail of some footage, at about the 9-minute, 10-seconds mark into the home movies, of a helicopter flight from the Fox studios that McDowall was on; the ship, seen standing on its end outside a building labeled "20" is visible for just a few seconds in a small part of the movie frame. Note the white car just to the right of the ship for scale.

                            I captured this from the DVD, cropped it, and offer it here as my little contribution to the ongoing discussion of what the back end of the ship looked like before it was re-configured to be Brent's ship in Beneath the Planet of the Apes or truncated, with the rear end shortened and a rounded heat shield added, in Escape from the Planet of the Apes.

                            As you can see, each of the big fins has what appears to be an engine nozzle sticking out of it, very near the tips of the fins. We know from the final film that the nose cone (the tip at the top) is gold in color; it looks like the engine cones are about the same color here.

                             

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                            Group: potadg Message: 42472 From: Rich Handley Date: 12/24/2006
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                            Hi, everyone,

                            I just wanted to wish you all a very happy holiday season!

                            Rich
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                            Group: potadg Message: 42473 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2006
                            Subject: Holiday
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                            Have a great holiday everyone ......no matter what you
                            celebrate!

                            Gather your family for a reading of the Sacred Scrolls
                            and decorate the Lawgiver statue!

                            Tim

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                            Group: potadg Message: 42474 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
                            Subject: Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
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                              I haven't Forgotten Michael, still looking for the mag' but due to the fact that I've just hit the southern comfort and ABBA is on , it's more than likly going to be after Christmas !!!

                            Best graham.

                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Thanks Graham, I'd like to see that!
                            >
                            >
                            > Michael
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                            > Graham Hill
                            > Sent: Friday, 22 December 2006 5:14 AM
                            > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Unused Marvel Comic Page!
                            >
                            > I think Moench has been asked a couple of times about unused Marvel strips,
                            > possibly in the magazines Comicbook market place or comicbook artists, and
                            > doesn't remember much.I'll see if I can find a quote.
                            >
                            > Best Graham.
                            >
                            >
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                            Group: potadg Message: 42475 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
                            Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
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                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Just struck midnight in Australia (we get to celebrate a few hours before
                            > the US and Europe).
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Have a hAPEpy and safe one!
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Michael
                            >

                             

                            Still Christmas eve here in the UK but being a Sunday means I've started on the booze. Happy Christmas to every one and all the best for the new year.

                            Best wishes Graham. (who thinks he's just admitted to listening to ABBA a few posts back)

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                            Group: potadg Message: 42476 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
                            Subject: Re: Holiday
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                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

                            > Gather your family for a reading of the Sacred Scrolls
                            > and decorate the Lawgiver statue!
                            >
                            > Tim
                            >

                            Sh#t I hadn't thought of that !! I've got a sideshow one !!!

                            Best wishes Graham

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                            Group: potadg Message: 42477 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2006
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                            I was going to let it go, but now you have mentioned this twice you obviously need to talk about it!  So.....what album is it?  Arrival?

                            Michael

                             

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
                            Sent:
                            Monday, 25 December 2006 3:42 AM
                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!

                            Best wishes Graham. (who thinks he's just admitted to listening to ABBA a few posts back)


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