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Group: potadg Message: 42478 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
Group: potadg Message: 42479 From: theskulpter Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas all yo
Group: potadg Message: 42480 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
Group: potadg Message: 42481 From: John Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
Group: potadg Message: 42482 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: Holiday
Group: potadg Message: 42483 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Cool Pic....
Group: potadg Message: 42484 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Take 2 - Why is this entitled PLANET OF THE APES?!?!?
Group: potadg Message: 42485 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Why is this entitled PLANET OF THE APES?!?!?
Group: potadg Message: 42486 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: And again I ask?!?!?
Group: potadg Message: 42487 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: This is supposed to be a cover for a novel.....
Group: potadg Message: 42488 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Again...
Group: potadg Message: 42489 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: I've got a bad feeling about this!
Group: potadg Message: 42490 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Planet of the Mice
Group: potadg Message: 42491 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: This is supposed to be a cover for a novel.....
Group: potadg Message: 42492 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.
Group: potadg Message: 42493 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: Cool Pic....
Group: potadg Message: 42494 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
Group: potadg Message: 42495 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
Group: potadg Message: 42496 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Planet of the TAZ?!?!?
Group: potadg Message: 42497 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Quote
Group: potadg Message: 42498 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
Group: potadg Message: 42499 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Cool
Group: potadg Message: 42500 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.
Group: potadg Message: 42501 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42502 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42503 From: theskulpter Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
Group: potadg Message: 42504 From: theskulpter Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
Group: potadg Message: 42505 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42506 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42507 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42508 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
Group: potadg Message: 42509 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Cool
Group: potadg Message: 42510 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42511 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42512 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.
Group: potadg Message: 42513 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42514 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42515 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Shits....I mean shiRts!
Group: potadg Message: 42516 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42517 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42518 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42519 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42520 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42521 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42522 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42523 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Cool
Group: potadg Message: 42524 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42525 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42526 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42527 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42528 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42529 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42530 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42531 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42532 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42533 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42534 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42535 From: theskulpter Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42536 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42537 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Shits....I mean shiRts!
Group: potadg Message: 42538 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42539 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42540 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42541 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42542 From: theskulpter Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42543 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42544 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42545 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
Group: potadg Message: 42546 From: John Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42547 From: Neil Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42548 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: "General" Urko
Group: potadg Message: 42549 From: theskulpter Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
Group: potadg Message: 42550 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42551 From: Terry Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42552 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 42553 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42554 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42555 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42556 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Marvel UK issue 115
Group: potadg Message: 42557 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42558 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42559 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42560 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42561 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42562 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42563 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: This is supposed to be a cover for a novel.....
Group: potadg Message: 42564 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
Group: potadg Message: 42565 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: WHITTY!
Group: potadg Message: 42566 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42567 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42568 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42569 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42570 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42571 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: [POTA] winston test
Group: potadg Message: 42572 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: (OT) Kraik today
Group: potadg Message: 42573 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42574 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42575 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
Group: potadg Message: 42576 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: [POTA] winston test
Group: potadg Message: 42577 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Cameron's POTA



Group: potadg Message: 42478 From: Graham Hill Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> I was going to let it go, but now you have mentioned this twice you
> obviously need to talk about it! So.....what album is it? Arrival?
>
> Michael
>
>
> It's just the ABBA gold compilation, I do see it as a guilty secret that I even own the damn thing never mind listen to it :)

Happy Christmas Graham.

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Group: potadg Message: 42479 From: theskulpter Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas all yo
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Hi ,Just finished a new General Urko head sculpt for a 12" Figure,
wanted to share some photos with the APE gang, they are in the photos
section. I will finish the helmet after the Hollidays. Ok all Have a
great Holliday, The Farrow.
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Group: potadg Message: 42480 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
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-- Well some of us have to wait an hour longer...
 
Have a great time everyone!
 
Neil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2006 11:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; Haristas@...
Subject: [PotaDG] Have a great Christmas everyone!

Just struck midnight in Australia (we get to celebrate a few hours before the US and Europe).

 

Have a hAPEpy and safe one!

Michael

 

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Group: potadg Message: 42481 From: John Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Have a great Christmas everyone!
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Damnit! Now I feel the need to dust off the old ABBA records. Hope my
son doesn't think I'm "foo foo." Merry X-mas everyone.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@> wrote:
> >
> > I was going to let it go, but now you have mentioned this twice
you
> > obviously need to talk about it! So.....what album is it? Arrival?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > It's just the ABBA gold compilation, I do see it as a guilty
secret
> that I even own the damn thing never mind listen to it [:)]
>
> Happy Christmas Graham.
>
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Group: potadg Message: 42482 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: Holiday
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I’d heard it is freakishly large – but so large you are in a sideshow?!?!?

 

OR.....are you saying you have a Sideshow LAWGIVER.....?

 

Either way – you sound a bit tipsy to me Graham!  J

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 3:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Holiday

 


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> Gather your family for a reading of the Sacred Scrolls
> and decorate the Lawgiver statue!
>
> Tim
>

Sh#t I hadn't thought of that !! I've got a sideshow one !!!

Best wishes Graham


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Group: potadg Message: 42483 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Cool Pic....
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    Planet of the Apes

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    Group: potadg Message: 42484 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
    Subject: Take 2 - Why is this entitled PLANET OF THE APES?!?!?
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      Planet of the Apes II

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      Group: potadg Message: 42485 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
      Subject: Why is this entitled PLANET OF THE APES?!?!?
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        Planet of the Apes I

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        Group: potadg Message: 42486 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
        Subject: And again I ask?!?!?
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          Planet of the Apes III - Detail

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          Group: potadg Message: 42487 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
          Subject: This is supposed to be a cover for a novel.....
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            Planet of the Apes Book Cover

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            Group: potadg Message: 42488 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
            Subject: Again...
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              Group: potadg Message: 42489 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
              Subject: I've got a bad feeling about this!
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                Group: potadg Message: 42490 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2006
                Subject: Planet of the Mice
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                  planet of the apes cartoons, planet of the apes cartoon, planet of the apes picture, planet of the apes pictures, planet of the apes image,
 planet of the apes images, planet of the apes illustration, planet of the apes illustrations

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                  Group: potadg Message: 42491 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
                  Subject: Re: This is supposed to be a cover for a novel.....
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                    -- It is. It is the 1990 Signet USA release. The cover painting is by Robert Hunt:
                     
                     
                     
                    Neil
                     
                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                    Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 9:31 PM
                    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [PotaDG] This is supposed to be a cover for a novel.....

                    Planet of the Apes Book Cover

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                    Group: potadg Message: 42492 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
                    Subject: Re: Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.
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                      -- Wow interesting! Pity there is no way to get a better picture.
                       
                      What is speculated at as being "an engine nozzle" though could very well just be where they attached the wire to moor it in the lake and the grey bit at the base could just be the concrete used to weigh down the rear end.
                      And I'm pretty sure I've read or heard a Bill Creber quote along the lines that they didn't bother designing the rear of the ship as they always knew it would never be seen on film.
                       
                      Neil
                       
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                      Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2006 6:34 PM
                      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [PotaDG] Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.com/2006/12/bottom-of-taylors-starship-revealed.htmlbr>

                      http://sfwriter. com/2006/ 12/bottom- of-taylors- starship- revealed..html"

                       

                      Thursday, December 21, 2006

                      The bottom of Taylor's starship revealed (Planet of the Apes)



                      There's a lot of discussion in Planet of the Apes fandom about what the back end of Colonel Taylor's ANSA spaceship looked like. The ship is only ever seen partially submerged in water in the film (at Lake Powell), so the details of the rear end have been left mostly to the imagination. William Creber, the gifted art director who designed it (he also designed the original miniature of the spaceship from Lost in Space, another of my favorite ships) has said in interviews that not a lot of thought was given to the back end because it wasn't going to be shown on screen.

                      I've never seen the image above anywhere else, and so I thought I'd share it here. Where's it from, you ask? Actor Roddy McDowall's home movies of the making of the original Planet of the Apes, from 1967, included on disk number two of the Ultimate Planet of the Apes collection Fox released in an ape-head case earlier this year. Not that the spaceship -- which fans have dubbed Icarus, although that name isn't canonical -- is pointed out in the home movies; it isn't and McDowall doesn't seem to notice it himself.

                      The above is a detail of some footage, at about the 9-minute, 10-seconds mark into the home movies, of a helicopter flight from the Fox studios that McDowall was on; the ship, seen standing on its end outside a building labeled "20" is visible for just a few seconds in a small part of the movie frame. Note the white car just to the right of the ship for scale.

                      I captured this from the DVD, cropped it, and offer it here as my little contribution to the ongoing discussion of what the back end of the ship looked like before it was re-configured to be Brent's ship in Beneath the Planet of the Apes or truncated, with the rear end shortened and a rounded heat shield added, in Escape from the Planet of the Apes.

                      As you can see, each of the big fins has what appears to be an engine nozzle sticking out of it, very near the tips of the fins. We know from the final film that the nose cone (the tip at the top) is gold in color; it looks like the engine cones are about the same color here.

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                      Group: potadg Message: 42493 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
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                        -- I had seen this one before and I too like it. Don't quite know why though? Maybe because of the simplicity? Very cool though!
                         
                        Neil
                         
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                        Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 9:00 PM
                        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [PotaDG] Cool Pic....

                        Planet of the Apes

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                        Group: potadg Message: 42494 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
                        Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
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                        -- Cool! Thanks.
                         
                        Neil
                         
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                        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of theskulpter
                        Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 6:46 AM
                        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas all you Apes!

                        Hi ,Just finished a new General Urko head sculpt for a 12" Figure,
                        wanted to share some photos with the APE gang, they are in the photos
                        section. I will finish the helmet after the Hollidays. Ok all Have a
                        great Holliday, The Farrow.

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                        Group: potadg Message: 42495 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/25/2006
                        Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
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                        -- Find them here:
                         
                         
                         
                        Neil
                         
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of theskulpter
                        Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 6:46 AM
                        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas all you Apes!

                        Hi ,Just finished a new General Urko head sculpt for a 12" Figure,
                        wanted to share some photos with the APE gang, they are in the photos
                        section. I will finish the helmet after the Hollidays. Ok all Have a
                        great Holliday, The Farrow.

                        .

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                        Group: potadg Message: 42496 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                        Subject: Planet of the TAZ?!?!?
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                          Group: potadg Message: 42497 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                          Subject: Quote
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                          A quote from an essay I found on the web.

                           

                          Interesting....

                           

                          The movie series played itself out, and although the conclusion was mired in cheese, it was clearly the end. When I learned that they were planning a Planet of the Apes TV series, I was very excited. With all that foolishness done, they could get back to a good, basic story that just happened to be set on a planet where apes ruled. Once gain, the possibilities for story lines was endless.

                          By the time the TV series debuted, I was in high school. But still I was glued to the set to watch the premier. I knew the show was doomed before the first station break. While the writers could start off fresh, they somehow chose to start off with a fresh set of humans crash landing on a fresh planet. The names were changed, but the plot was the same. I was pissed. If the people controlling this project had one ounce of originality they could have made the show into a wildly successful science fiction drama. But they didn't. Having rehashed the original scenario, they had to set it up so that it could continue as an ongoing series. They did this by sending the humans on the run with their sole ape compatriot. Every week they'd get chased some more, and barely escape with their lives.

                          I was old enough at this point that I started to understand some of the principles in writing. I knew that this series had been taken in a direction that was doomed to failure. It was the exact same thing with Battle Star Galactica. It debuted relatively early after the demise of the original Star Trek. Star Trek became a wildly successful show, but Battle Star Galactica fizzled and died. I knew the reason was that the protagonists in Star Trek were successful, able-bodied heroes. The show was fun to watch because it celebrated success and achievement. Battle Star Galactica, on the other hand, was a rag tag band of survivors clinging to life, forever chased by the forces of evil. No one ever wants to watch that. The episodes weren't triumphant and life-affirming. They were arduous strides in a prolonged death march where the protagonists somehow manage to hold on to life for another week. That kind of story will never find an audience. The Planet of the Apes series was doomed for failure from the start, and I knew it. After the first few episodes I didn't even watch the show anymore. It could have been so good, if only...

                           

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                          Group: potadg Message: 42498 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                          Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
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                          Thanks for uploading it Neil!  This really does look VERY much like Urko!

                           

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
                          Sent: Tuesday, 26 December 2006 11:37 AM
                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas all you Apes!

                           

                          -- Cool! Thanks.

                           

                          Neil

                           

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of theskulpter
                          Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 6:46 AM
                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                          Subject: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas all you Apes!

                          Hi ,Just finished a new General Urko head sculpt for a 12" Figure,
                          wanted to share some photos with the APE gang, they are in the photos
                          section. I will finish the helmet after the Hollidays. Ok all Have a
                          great Holliday, The Farrow.

                          .

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                          Group: potadg Message: 42499 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                          Subject: Re: Cool
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                          I'm sure I asked before, but . . .
                           
                          What do our Celsius friends do to adjust the thermostat?
                           
                          "It's a bit warm for sleeping.  Put the thermostat down from 21.1  to 20.5,"
                           
                          Especially before digital thermostats!???
                           
                           
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                          Group: potadg Message: 42500 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                          Subject: Re: Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.
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                          Can anyone enlarge the pic?
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                          Group: potadg Message: 42501 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                          Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
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                            .html *** I've often thought that myself! I think that is one of the ugliest APES shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES t-shirt, but every time I looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that, so I've pretty much given up on it...***



                            In a message dated 12/22/2006 6:25:19 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                            What would motivate someone to do THIS?



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                            Group: potadg Message: 42502 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
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                              Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a guy on
                              ebay who had some of these thrown in with a lot of
                              other ape stuff....I asked where did he find them and
                              he said he made them!


                              http://www.wvi.com/~courtwr/apeman2/new_ape_shirts.htm


                              check them out!

                              Tim

                              --- mlccougar@... wrote:

                              > *** I've often thought that myself! I think that is
                              > one of the ugliest APES
                              > shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES
                              > t-shirt, but every time I
                              > looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that, so
                              > I've pretty much given up on
                              > it...***


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                              Group: potadg Message: 42503 From: theskulpter Date: 12/26/2006
                              Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
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                              Thanks alot Neil for making the link. Also I just finished a new
                              General Ursus last night, I will post some new photos next week
                              sometime, ok Apes Happy new year, The Farrow.--- In
                              PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > -- Find them here:
                              >
                              > http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/photos/browse/bdee
                              >
                              >
                              > Neil
                              >
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                              Behalf
                              > Of theskulpter
                              > Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 6:46 AM
                              > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry
                              > Christmas all you Apes!
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi ,Just finished a new General Urko head sculpt for a 12" Figure,
                              > wanted to share some photos with the APE gang, they are in the
                              photos
                              > section. I will finish the helmet after the Hollidays. Ok all Have
                              a
                              > great Holliday, The Farrow.
                              >
                              >
                              > .
                              >
                              > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
                              s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
                              > sgId=42479/stime=1166993310/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848627/nc3=4299903>
                              >
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                              Group: potadg Message: 42504 From: theskulpter Date: 12/26/2006
                              Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
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                              Thanks Michael, I also just finished a Genral Urusus last night after
                              getting home from the family"s for Christmas, I am rel happy with the
                              way it came out. I just have to finish a Helmet for both of them
                              now.I really mis having Apes figures and items released, so I figured
                              I would start making my own again, Ok keep on Ape'ing, The Farrow.---
                              In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Thanks for uploading it Neil! This really does look VERY much like
                              Urko!
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                              Behalf Of
                              > Neil T Foster
                              > Sent: Tuesday, 26 December 2006 11:37 AM
                              > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+
                              Merry
                              > Christmas all you Apes!
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > -- Cool! Thanks.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Neil
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                              Behalf Of
                              > theskulpter
                              > Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 6:46 AM
                              > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry
                              > Christmas all you Apes!
                              >
                              > Hi ,Just finished a new General Urko head sculpt for a 12" Figure,
                              > wanted to share some photos with the APE gang, they are in the
                              photos
                              > section. I will finish the helmet after the Hollidays. Ok all Have
                              a
                              > great Holliday, The Farrow.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > .
                              >
                              > Web Bug from
                              > http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
                              s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId=
                              > 42479/stime=1166993310/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848627/nc3=4299903
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                              Group: potadg Message: 42505 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                              Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
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                              .html *** I don't know about these... I mean I guess the idea of using their heiroglyphics is ok, but these shirts leave something to be desired... They just don't look all that great to me, especially the Zaius one...***



                              In a message dated 12/26/2006 10:29:29 AM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:


                              Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a guy on ebay who had some of these thrown in with a lot of other ape stuff....I asked where did he find them and
                              he said he made them!


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                              Group: potadg Message: 42506 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
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                                Weren’t we going to design a DG shirt?

                                 

                                Or did we actually design it, and never got around to making it?

                                 

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
                                Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 2:29 AM
                                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                                 

                                *** I've often thought that myself! I think that is one of the ugliest APES shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES t-shirt, but every time I looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that, so I've pretty much given up on it...***



                                In a message dated 12/22/2006 6:25:19 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:



                                What would motivate someone to do THIS?


                                 

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                                Group: potadg Message: 42507 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
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                                  These are pretty darned cool!

                                   

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
                                  Sent:
                                  Wednesday, 27 December 2006 3:25 AM
                                  To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                                   

                                  Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a guy on
                                  ebay who had some of these thrown in with a lot of
                                  other ape stuff....I asked where did he find them and
                                  he said he made them!

                                  http://www.wvi. com/~courtwr/ apeman2/new_ ape_shirts. htm


                                  check them out!

                                  Tim

                                  --- mlccougar@aol. com wrote:

                                  > *** I've often thought that myself! I think that is
                                  > one of the ugliest APES
                                  > shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES
                                  > t-shirt, but every time I
                                  > looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that, so
                                  > I've pretty much given up on
                                  > it...***


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                                  Group: potadg Message: 42508 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                                  Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas al
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                                  Looking forward to seeing Ursus.

                                   

                                  Have a great 2007!

                                   

                                  Michael

                                   

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of theskulpter
                                  Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 5:23 AM
                                  To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [PotaDG] Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas all you Apes!

                                   

                                  Thanks alot Neil for making the link. Also I just finished a new
                                  General Ursus last night, I will post some new photos next week
                                  sometime, ok Apes Happy new year, The Farrow.--- In
                                  PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:

                                  >
                                  > -- Find them here:
                                  >
                                  > http://movies. ph.groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/ photos/browse/ bdee
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Neil
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                                  [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
                                  Behalf
                                  > Of theskulpter
                                  > Sent: Monday, 25 December 2006 6:46 AM
                                  > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                                  > Subject: [PotaDG] General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry
                                  > Christmas all you Apes!
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi ,Just finished a new General Urko head sculpt for a 12" Figure,
                                  > wanted to share some photos with the APE gang, they are in the
                                  photos
                                  > section. I will finish the helmet after the Hollidays. Ok all Have
                                  a
                                  > great Holliday, The Farrow.
                                  >


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                                  Group: potadg Message: 42509 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
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                                  Nah – the thing about Celcius is each measure is supposed to be a more sensible one than imperial.

                                   

                                  You guys did it with money – dismissing the awkward pounds, shillings and pence.

                                   

                                  You just have to forget the old and embrace the new.

                                   

                                  Everything is in lots of 10s, hundreds and thousands (keep adding zeroes).

                                   

                                  But to answer your question, you would normally drop one degree at a time.

                                   

                                  And zero is actually the point at which water freezes.

                                   

                                  Michael

                                   

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
                                  Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 12:07 AM
                                  To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Cool

                                   

                                   

                                  I'm sure I asked before, but . . .

                                   

                                  What do our Celsius friends do to adjust the thermostat?

                                   

                                  "It's a bit warm for sleeping.  Put the thermostat down from 21.1  to 20.5,"

                                   

                                  Especially before digital thermostats! ???


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                                  Group: potadg Message: 42510 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                  Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
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                                  .html In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:22:53 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                                  Weren't we going to design a DG shirt?


                                  Or did we actually design it, and never got around to making it?


                                  *** I don't recall that, so maybe it was something that was just discussed between you and Neil?

                                  Anyway, all I want is one good APES shirt, nothing crappy looking like the one you posted... I had seen a few that I liked, but I can't seem to find them now... An example of one I liked was the one that had Marcus on it, and the bit about his being head of security, etc.

                                  Some I hate are the Zira/Taylor kissing shirt and any of them involving that ugly Gorilla from the GO APE! poster...
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                                  Group: potadg Message: 42511 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
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                                  I like ‘em!

                                   

                                  Hey – what size are you Mike?

                                   

                                  Michael

                                   

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
                                  Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 7:35 AM
                                  To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                                   

                                  *** I don't know about these... I mean I guess the idea of using their heiroglyphics is ok, but these shirts leave something to be desired... They just don't look all that great to me, especially the Zaius one...***



                                  In a message dated 12/26/2006 10:29:29 AM Central Standard Time, apefan23@yahoo. com writes:

                                  Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a guy on ebay who had some of these thrown in with a lot of other ape stuff....I asked where did he find them and
                                  he said he made them!

                                   


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                                  Group: potadg Message: 42512 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                                  Subject: Re: Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.
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                                  The original tiny photo is WAY too small – if you enlarge it becomes a big blur!

                                   

                                  Don’t know how we all missed this in Roddy’s home movies.

                                   

                                  Michael

                                   

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
                                  Sent:
                                  Wednesday, 27 December 2006 12:13 AM
                                  To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Interesting! From Robert Sawyer's website.....http://sfwriter.c...

                                   

                                  Can anyone enlarge the pic?


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                                  Group: potadg Message: 42513 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
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                                    .htmlWhitty, don't go getting yourself suckered in by the idea of an APES heiroglyphics shirt! These look like someone just drew them on with a permanent marker!




                                    In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:25:18 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:



                                    These are pretty darned cool!







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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42514 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
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                                    .htmlI like these APES heads you're designing...

                                    But, I have to say, Urko is not a general! He is Chief of Security... He's law-enforcement not military...
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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42515 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Shits....I mean shiRts!
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                                    I’m fairly sure I have all the ones you mention here and more.

                                     

                                    I’ll have to rip them out for a stock-take.

                                     

                                    All my POTA Shirts are official releases.  But I am way too fat to wear them and I would not want to diminish the quality even if I could fit into them.

                                     

                                    Michael

                                     

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
                                    Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:28 AM
                                    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                                     

                                    In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:22:53 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:



                                    Weren’t we going to design a DG shirt?



                                    Or did we actually design it, and never got around to making it?


                                    *** I don't recall that, so maybe it was something that was just discussed between you and Neil?

                                    Anyway, all I want is one good APES shirt, nothing crappy looking like the one you posted... I had seen a few that I liked, but I can't seem to find them now... An example of one I liked was the one that had Marcus on it, and the bit about his being head of security, etc.

                                    Some I hate are the Zira/Taylor kissing shirt and any of them involving that ugly Gorilla from the GO APE! poster...


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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42516 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
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                                    Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional.  What does everyone else think?

                                     

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
                                    Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:33 AM
                                    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Spam Alert: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                                     

                                    Whitty, don't go getting yourself suckered in by the idea of an APES heiroglyphics shirt! These look like someone just drew them on with a permanent marker!




                                    In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:25:18 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:




                                    These are pretty darned cool!
                                     

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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42517 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
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                                    Yeah – was he ever referred to as GENERAL?

                                    I must say – I have made this mistake myself.

                                     

                                    Michael

                                     

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
                                    Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:35 AM
                                    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...

                                     

                                    I like these APES heads you're designing...

                                    But, I have to say, Urko is not a general! He is Chief of Security... He's law-enforcement not military...


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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42518 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
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                                    -- I quite like them myself.
                                     
                                    Neil
                                     
                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                                    Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:37 AM
                                    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: [PotaDG] Glyph Shirts

                                    Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional.  What does everyone else think?

                                    .

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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42519 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2006
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                                    Hello,

                                    This email message is a notification to let you know that
                                    a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
                                    group.

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                                    You can access this file at the URL:
                                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/shirts.jpg

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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42520 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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                                    This email message is a notification to let you know that
                                    a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42521 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
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                                    I recently won an auction of someone's Planet of the Apes collection
                                    off of Ebay and there are 17 t-shirts included, all of which appear
                                    to be these. I don't know what sizes or how many of each kind I am
                                    recieving. It was a pretty large collection and he let the pictures
                                    do most of the talking. Merry X-mas to me!!! I can't wait till the
                                    shipment comes in.




                                    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a guy on
                                    > ebay who had some of these thrown in with a lot of
                                    > other ape stuff....I asked where did he find them and
                                    > he said he made them!
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > http://www.wvi.com/~courtwr/apeman2/new_ape_shirts.htm
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > check them out!
                                    >
                                    > Tim
                                    >
                                    > --- mlccougar@... wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > *** I've often thought that myself! I think that is
                                    > > one of the ugliest APES
                                    > > shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES
                                    > > t-shirt, but every time I
                                    > > looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that, so
                                    > > I've pretty much given up on
                                    > > it...***
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42522 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
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                                    I'll tell ya when I get mine!!

                                    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional. What does everyone
                                    else
                                    > think?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                    Behalf Of
                                    > mlccougar@...
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:33 AM
                                    > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: Spam Alert: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Whitty, don't go getting yourself suckered in by the idea of an APES
                                    > heiroglyphics shirt! These look like someone just drew them on with
                                    a
                                    > permanent marker!
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:25:18 PM Central Standard Time,
                                    > whitty@... writes:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > These are pretty darned cool!
                                    >
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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42523 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: Cool
                                    .html
                                    .html
                                    In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:31:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

                                    But to answer your question, you would normally drop one degree at a time.

                                     
                                    But that would nearly be 2 degreed F.
                                    I can tell 1 degree.  Can you tell 1/2 degree C?
                                     
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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42524 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
                                    .html
                                    I just checked that auction I won and its the same guy, Tony from
                                    Salem that had this site set up with the t-shirts and links to pics
                                    of his collection. I wonder why he is selling his stuff? I can't
                                    believe some comic shop didn't outbid me on it. Its a huge collection
                                    of some really great and many original pieces that I got an amazing
                                    deal on. Anybody else feeling the need to unload their Apes stuff? I
                                    know a wonderful home for them where they will be loved and taken
                                    well care of. Muhahahahahaha!!!!

                                    http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/drzaiusdavis/Ape%
                                    20CULT/stuff2.jpg

                                    http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/drzaiusdavis/Ape%
                                    20CULT/stuff.jpg



                                    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > -- I quite like them myself.
                                    >
                                    > Neil
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                    Behalf
                                    > Of Michael Whitty
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:37 AM
                                    > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: [PotaDG] Glyph Shirts
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional. What does everyone
                                    else
                                    > think?
                                    >
                                    > .
                                    >
                                    > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
                                    s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
                                    > sgId=42516/stime=1167172723/nc1=3858795/nc2=3848620/nc3=4299912>
                                    >
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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42525 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
                                    .html
                                    That's the guy I was talking to...I didn't bid cause I
                                    had everything else in the lot....

                                    Tim


                                    --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

                                    > I recently won an auction of someone's Planet of the
                                    > Apes collection
                                    > off of Ebay and there are 17 t-shirts included, all
                                    > of which appear
                                    > to be these. I don't know what sizes or how many of
                                    > each kind I am
                                    > recieving. It was a pretty large collection and he
                                    > let the pictures
                                    > do most of the talking. Merry X-mas to me!!! I can't
                                    > wait till the
                                    > shipment comes in.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                    > <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a guy on
                                    > > ebay who had some of these thrown in with a lot of
                                    > > other ape stuff....I asked where did he find them
                                    > and
                                    > > he said he made them!
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    http://www.wvi.com/~courtwr/apeman2/new_ape_shirts.htm
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > check them out!
                                    > >
                                    > > Tim
                                    > >
                                    > > --- mlccougar@... wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > *** I've often thought that myself! I think that
                                    > is
                                    > > > one of the ugliest APES
                                    > > > shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES
                                    > > > t-shirt, but every time I
                                    > > > looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that,
                                    > so
                                    > > > I've pretty much given up on
                                    > > > it...***
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
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                                    Group: potadg Message: 42526 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
                                    Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
                                    .html
                                    Attachments :
                                      Here's a few I have picked up over the years....

                                      Tim



                                      --- mlccougar@... wrote:

                                      > *** I've often thought that myself! I think that is
                                      > one of the ugliest APES
                                      > shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES
                                      > t-shirt, but every time I
                                      > looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that, so
                                      > I've pretty much given up on
                                      > it...***
                                      >

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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42527 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
                                      .html
                                      I like them too...am gonna order a Cornelius shirt as
                                      soon as I hear back from the guy! I hope he didn't
                                      include all of his stock in zaiusdavis ' win....!


                                      --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

                                      > Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional.
                                      > What does everyone else
                                      > think?
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                      > mlccougar@...
                                      > Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:33 AM
                                      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: Spam Alert: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Whitty, don't go getting yourself suckered in by the
                                      > idea of an APES
                                      > heiroglyphics shirt! These look like someone just
                                      > drew them on with a
                                      > permanent marker!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:25:18 PM Central
                                      > Standard Time,
                                      > whitty@... writes:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > These are pretty darned cool!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >


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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42528 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
                                      .html
                                      Yeah, I have most everything too, but I couldn't believe that the bid
                                      was still so low. So I took a chance... and lucked out. Sure, now I
                                      have 4 boards games, 3 colorforms, and who knows how many doubles of
                                      the comics and Hasbro toys & stuff....but I couldn't stop myself.


                                      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > That's the guy I was talking to...I didn't bid cause I
                                      > had everything else in the lot....
                                      >
                                      > Tim
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > I recently won an auction of someone's Planet of the
                                      > > Apes collection
                                      > > off of Ebay and there are 17 t-shirts included, all
                                      > > of which appear
                                      > > to be these. I don't know what sizes or how many of
                                      > > each kind I am
                                      > > recieving. It was a pretty large collection and he
                                      > > let the pictures
                                      > > do most of the talking. Merry X-mas to me!!! I can't
                                      > > wait till the
                                      > > shipment comes in.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                      > > <apefan23@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a guy on
                                      > > > ebay who had some of these thrown in with a lot of
                                      > > > other ape stuff....I asked where did he find them
                                      > > and
                                      > > > he said he made them!
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://www.wvi.com/~courtwr/apeman2/new_ape_shirts.htm
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > check them out!
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Tim
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- mlccougar@ wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > *** I've often thought that myself! I think that
                                      > > is
                                      > > > > one of the ugliest APES
                                      > > > > shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an APES
                                      > > > > t-shirt, but every time I
                                      > > > > looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like that,
                                      > > so
                                      > > > > I've pretty much given up on
                                      > > > > it...***
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > >
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42529 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
                                      .html
                                      love these Neil! would gladly order one of these! I
                                      like the one with the TV logo on the back.....and the
                                      glyphs down the sleeves would be cool on a long sleeve
                                      shirt!

                                      TIm


                                      --- PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:

                                      >
                                      > Hello,
                                      >
                                      > This email message is a notification to let you know
                                      > that
                                      > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the
                                      > PotaDG
                                      > group.
                                      >
                                      > File : /t shirt 00.gif
                                      > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
                                      >
                                      > Description :
                                      >
                                      > You can access this file at the URL:
                                      >
                                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/t%20shirt%2000.gif
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > To learn more about file sharing for your group,
                                      > please visit:
                                      > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
                                      >
                                      > Regards,
                                      >
                                      > munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >


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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42530 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
                                      .html
                                      I would proudly wear the "Uncle Manny, Get Drunk" t-shirt to the
                                      titty bar!!

                                      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > love these Neil! would gladly order one of these! I
                                      > like the one with the TV logo on the back.....and the
                                      > glyphs down the sleeves would be cool on a long sleeve
                                      > shirt!
                                      >
                                      > TIm
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      > > Hello,
                                      > >
                                      > > This email message is a notification to let you know
                                      > > that
                                      > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the
                                      > > PotaDG
                                      > > group.
                                      > >
                                      > > File : /t shirt 00.gif
                                      > > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
                                      > >
                                      > > Description :
                                      > >
                                      > > You can access this file at the URL:
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/t%20shirt%2000.gif
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > To learn more about file sharing for your group,
                                      > > please visit:
                                      > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
                                      > >
                                      > > Regards,
                                      > >
                                      > > munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42531 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
                                      .html
                                      .html

                                      Yeah I’d hate to have to buy anything from John Zaius Davis!  ;)

                                       

                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
                                      Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 1:06 PM
                                      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Glyph Shirts

                                       

                                      I like them too...am gonna order a Cornelius shirt as
                                      soon as I hear back from the guy! I hope he didn't
                                      include all of his stock in zaiusdavis ' win....!

                                      --- Michael Whitty <whitty@cyberone. com.au> wrote:

                                      > Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional.
                                      > What does everyone else
                                      > think?
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                                      > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com]
                                      On Behalf Of
                                      > mlccougar@aol. com
                                      > Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:33 AM
                                      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                                      > Subject: Spam Alert: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Whitty, don't go getting yourself suckered in by the
                                      > idea of an APES
                                      > heiroglyphics shirt! These look like someone just
                                      > drew them on with a
                                      > permanent marker!


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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42532 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
                                      .html
                                      I was very close to bidding! But I'm glad you got all
                                      that stuff to fill up your new house! If Tony doesn;t
                                      have any shirts left, I'll be buggin you for one!

                                      Tim

                                      --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

                                      > Yeah, I have most everything too, but I couldn't
                                      > believe that the bid
                                      > was still so low. So I took a chance... and lucked
                                      > out. Sure, now I
                                      > have 4 boards games, 3 colorforms, and who knows how
                                      > many doubles of
                                      > the comics and Hasbro toys & stuff....but I couldn't
                                      > stop myself.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                      > <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > That's the guy I was talking to...I didn't bid
                                      > cause I
                                      > > had everything else in the lot....
                                      > >
                                      > > Tim
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > > I recently won an auction of someone's Planet of
                                      > the
                                      > > > Apes collection
                                      > > > off of Ebay and there are 17 t-shirts included,
                                      > all
                                      > > > of which appear
                                      > > > to be these. I don't know what sizes or how many
                                      > of
                                      > > > each kind I am
                                      > > > recieving. It was a pretty large collection and
                                      > he
                                      > > > let the pictures
                                      > > > do most of the talking. Merry X-mas to me!!! I
                                      > can't
                                      > > > wait till the
                                      > > > shipment comes in.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                      > > > <apefan23@> wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Here's some cool shirts! I was talking to a
                                      > guy on
                                      > > > > ebay who had some of these thrown in with a
                                      > lot of
                                      > > > > other ape stuff....I asked where did he find
                                      > them
                                      > > > and
                                      > > > > he said he made them!
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      http://www.wvi.com/~courtwr/apeman2/new_ape_shirts.htm
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > check them out!
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Tim
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- mlccougar@ wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > > *** I've often thought that myself! I think
                                      > that
                                      > > > is
                                      > > > > > one of the ugliest APES
                                      > > > > > shirts I've ever seen... I wanted to buy an
                                      > APES
                                      > > > > > t-shirt, but every time I
                                      > > > > > looked on eBay, it's always ugly s*it like
                                      > that,
                                      > > > so
                                      > > > > > I've pretty much given up on
                                      > > > > > it...***
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42533 From: John Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
                                      .html
                                      And after I bought your shitty little comic book....


                                      Just kidding Neil. You know I've always liked you. Muhahahahahahahaha!
                                      Its that Damn Michael guy. ;)
                                      If I have more than one of the Dr Zaius shirts, I'd be glad to share
                                      but judging by the photo it looks like a lot of Corn. / Ursus shirts.





                                      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Yeah I'd hate to have to buy anything from John Zaius Davis! ;)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                      Behalf Of
                                      > Tim "apefan"
                                      > Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 1:06 PM
                                      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Glyph Shirts
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I like them too...am gonna order a Cornelius shirt as
                                      > soon as I hear back from the guy! I hope he didn't
                                      > include all of his stock in zaiusdavis ' win....!
                                      >
                                      > --- Michael Whitty <whitty@cyberone. <mailto:whitty%
                                      40cyberone.com.au>
                                      > com.au> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional.
                                      > > What does everyone else
                                      > > think?
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
                                      > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      com] On
                                      > Behalf Of
                                      > > mlccougar@aol. <mailto:mlccougar%40aol.com> com
                                      > > Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 8:33 AM
                                      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
                                      > > Subject: Spam Alert: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Whitty, don't go getting yourself suckered in by the
                                      > > idea of an APES
                                      > > heiroglyphics shirt! These look like someone just
                                      > > drew them on with a
                                      > > permanent marker!
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --
                                      >
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42534 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
                                      .html
                                      .html

                                      You mind your manners Dr ZD ;)

                                       

                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
                                      Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 1:16 PM
                                      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Glyph Shirts

                                       

                                      And after I bought your shitty little comic book....

                                      Just kidding Neil. You know I've always liked you. Muhahahahahahahaha!
                                      Its that Damn Michael guy. ;)
                                      If I have more than one of the Dr Zaius shirts, I'd be glad to share
                                      but judging by the photo it looks like a lot of Corn. / Ursus shirts.

                                      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

                                      >
                                      > Yeah I'd hate to have to buy anything from John Zaius Davis! ;)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                                      [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
                                      Behalf Of
                                      > Tim "apefan"
                                      > Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 1:06 PM
                                      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                                      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Glyph Shirts
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I like them too...am gonna order a Cornelius shirt as
                                      > soon as I hear back from the guy! I hope he didn't
                                      > include all of his stock in zaiusdavis ' win....!
                                      >
                                      > --- Michael Whitty <whitty@cyberone. <mailto:whitty%
                                      40cyberone.com. au>
                                      > com.au> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional.
                                      > > What does everyone else
                                      > > think?


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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42535 From: theskulpter Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
                                      .html
                                      Hi ,glad you like the Ape heads. He was reffered to as General Urko,
                                      articles about the Tv show,etc it usually says General Urko.
                                      Sometimes it just says Urko. Like this one I just copied quick when I
                                      searched Planet of the Apes tv show on the web,this was the first to
                                      come up............
                                      Aired: 1974 - 1975
                                      Show Type: Live Action
                                      Country of Origin: US
                                      Show Summary: En route to Alpha Centuri at the start of the 1980s, a
                                      spaceship is somehow thrown forwards in time, and crashlands on a
                                      strange planet. One of the astronauts is dead, but the other two
                                      learn that it is 21 March 3085, they're on Earth, and the world is
                                      ruled by apes. Upon their capture by the ruthless General Urko, Dr
                                      Zaius's new assistant (Galen) discovers that there were other human
                                      astronaut visitors, whose very existence was kept secret. He and
                                      Zaius want to study them, but when Urko plots to have them shot for
                                      escaping, Galen accidentally kills a guard, and becomes a fugitive.
                                      Together, they search for the other intelligent humans they think
                                      have survived, plus a way to return home. Cancelled after 15 weeks---
                                      In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I like these APES heads you're designing...
                                      >
                                      > But, I have to say, Urko is not a general! He is Chief of
                                      Security... He's
                                      > law-enforcement not military...
                                      >
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42536 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
                                      .html
                                      .html In a message dated 12/26/2006 4:42:15 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                                      Hmmm.... I think they look fairly professional.  What does everyone else think


                                      Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but to me, the more I think about it, they remind me of the little kids APES Halloween costumes from 74-75...
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42537 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Shits....I mean shiRts!
                                      .html
                                      .html In a message dated 12/26/2006 4:39:08 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                                      All my POTA Shirts are official releases.  But I am way too fat to wear them and I would not want to diminish the quality even if I could fit into them.



                                      ***Really? Official releases huh? If they are, they must be exclusive to the Australian (and/or maybe the UK) because I only know of two official release t-shirts for original APES (and they are the two SUNCOAST movie comapany shirts released in about 1998...) All other APES Shirts are either bootlegs or are from that pota2001 mess...

                                      As far as wearing them, if you'd ever decide TO wear them, just wear them on occasion and when you wash them wash them inside out in cold water... This saves the design... (Also, just let them air dry, the dryer cracks the designs to...)
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42538 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
                                      .html
                                      .html In a message dated 12/26/2006 4:48:21 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                                      Yeah – was he ever referred to as GENERAL?


                                      *** The only time he was ever referred to as GENERAL was in the POWER Records stories, and, weirdly, in the TV series novels... (and oddly enough, in the TV series novels, Councilor Zaius is incorrectly referred to as Dr. Zaius too...)
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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42539 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
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                                      .html Can you send bigger pictures? The ones I looked at here are way too small...



                                      In a message dated 12/26/2006 8:01:38 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:



                                      http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/drzaiusdavis/Ape%
                                      20CULT/stuff2.jpg

                                      http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/drzaiusdavis/Ape%
                                      20CULT/stuff.jpg


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                                      Group: potadg Message: 42540 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                      Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
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                                        .htmlThis BENEATH shirt is by far one of the best APES t-shirts I've seen!
                                        Where did you get this?!?


                                        In a message dated 12/26/2006 8:08:30 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:




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                                        Group: potadg Message: 42541 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/26/2006
                                        Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
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                                        .html In a message dated 12/26/2006 10:41:59 PM Central Standard Time, theskulpter@... writes:


                                        He was reffered to as General Urko, articles about the Tv show,etc it usually says General Urko. Sometimes it just says Urko.


                                        *** Oh, I know they incorrectly referred to him as General, I wasn't even thinking you just called him that... I am just going strictly by dialog from the TV series, where to me, it's very clear he is just supposed to be what he is referred to as: Chief of Security...
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                                        Group: potadg Message: 42542 From: theskulpter Date: 12/27/2006
                                        Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
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                                        I have to watch the Tv shows again,I wonder why they came up with that
                                        General name then. He is also named GENERAL URKO on the old mego dolls
                                        that came out when the show was airing, and the more recent Medicom 6
                                        inch figures he is called General Urko also. I would think that was his
                                        name if he was always called that in momost of the released products i
                                        have seen,but then again maybe he was never called General in the
                                        show, very interesting though .--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
                                        mlccougar@... wrote:
                                        >
                                        > In a message dated 12/26/2006 10:41:59 PM Central Standard Time,
                                        > theskulpter@... writes:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > > He was reffered to as General Urko, articles about the Tv show,etc
                                        it
                                        > > usually says General Urko. Sometimes it just says Urko.
                                        >
                                        > *** Oh, I know they incorrectly referred to him as General, I wasn't
                                        even
                                        > thinking you just called him that... I am just going strictly by
                                        dialog from the
                                        > TV series, where to me, it's very clear he is just supposed to be
                                        what he is
                                        > referred to as: Chief of Security...
                                        >
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                                        Group: potadg Message: 42543 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/27/2006
                                        Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
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                                          Yup I like this one.  Don’t believe I own it....

                                           

                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
                                          Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2006 4:11 PM
                                          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Just WEIRD!

                                           

                                          This BENEATH shirt is by far one of the best APES t-shirts I've seen!
                                          Where did you get this?!?


                                          In a message dated 12/26/2006 8:08:30 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:





                                           

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                                          Group: potadg Message: 42544 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/27/2006
                                          Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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                                          i was gonna ask how the strippers were doing, John!

                                          Tim


                                          --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

                                          > I would proudly wear the "Uncle Manny, Get Drunk"
                                          > t-shirt to the
                                          > titty bar!!
                                          >
                                          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                          > <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > love these Neil! would gladly order one of these!
                                          > I
                                          > > like the one with the TV logo on the back.....and
                                          > the
                                          > > glyphs down the sleeves would be cool on a long
                                          > sleeve
                                          > > shirt!
                                          > >
                                          > > TIm
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > --- PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Hello,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > This email message is a notification to let you
                                          > know
                                          > > > that
                                          > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of
                                          > the
                                          > > > PotaDG
                                          > > > group.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > File : /t shirt 00.gif
                                          > > > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Description :
                                          > > >
                                          > > > You can access this file at the URL:
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/t%20shirt%2000.gif
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group,
                                          > > > please visit:
                                          > > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Regards,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
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                                          Group: potadg Message: 42545 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/27/2006
                                          Subject: Re: Just WEIRD!
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                                            I'm not sure....I think it was an alternative record
                                            store in town called Manifest...it was several years
                                            ago....the artwork is the same as Italian Beneath
                                            posters...


                                            --- mlccougar@... wrote:

                                            > This BENEATH shirt is by far one of the best APES
                                            > t-shirts I've seen!
                                            > Where did you get this?!?
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > In a message dated 12/26/2006 8:08:30 PM Central
                                            > Standard Time,
                                            > apefan23@... writes:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >

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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42546 From: John Date: 12/27/2006
                                            Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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                                            The girls are fine (pun intended) and are going to look great in the
                                            Planet of the Apes t-shirts I'm gonna make them all wear..... for the
                                            few minutes they have there tops on. ;)

                                            Is it wrong to mix your earliest, most fond childhood memories with
                                            your sickest, most twisted adult desires? Man, I hope so.
                                            Muhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!


                                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > i was gonna ask how the strippers were doing, John!
                                            >
                                            > Tim
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > I would proudly wear the "Uncle Manny, Get Drunk"
                                            > > t-shirt to the
                                            > > titty bar!!
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                            > > <apefan23@> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > love these Neil! would gladly order one of these!
                                            > > I
                                            > > > like the one with the TV logo on the back.....and
                                            > > the
                                            > > > glyphs down the sleeves would be cool on a long
                                            > > sleeve
                                            > > > shirt!
                                            > > >
                                            > > > TIm
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Hello,
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > This email message is a notification to let you
                                            > > know
                                            > > > > that
                                            > > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of
                                            > > the
                                            > > > > PotaDG
                                            > > > > group.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > File : /t shirt 00.gif
                                            > > > > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@>
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Description :
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > You can access this file at the URL:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/t%20shirt%2000.gif
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group,
                                            > > > > please visit:
                                            > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > munkeyman63au <ntfoster@>
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42547 From: Neil Date: 12/27/2006
                                            Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
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                                            -- I think it was probably just sloppiness and a recognition thing
                                            that was carried over from general Ursus, as they did both have
                                            virtually the same costumes.

                                            And just because Urko is not named as a General in the TV show doesn't
                                            have to mean that isn't a rank he has. Maybe the glyphs on his helmet
                                            or collar denote the rank of general?

                                            Neil

                                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "theskulpter" <theskulpter@...> wrote:
                                            > I have to watch the Tv shows again,I wonder why they came up with
                                            that General name then. He is also named GENERAL URKO on the old mego
                                            dolls
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42548 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/27/2006
                                            Subject: Re: "General" Urko
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                                            .html In a message dated 12/27/2006 4:49:36 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:


                                            -- I think it was probably just sloppiness and a recognition thing
                                            that was carried over from General Ursus, as they did both have
                                            virtually the same costumes.



                                            *** Exactly right, at least as far as the sloppiness part of it...

                                            As far as virtually the same costume, that's iffy... I mean yes they both had the collar and helmet, but remember, Ursus had a very eloborate outfit compared to Urko, at least as far as the torso goes...



                                            And just because Urko is not named as a General in the TV show doesn't
                                            have to mean that isn't a rank he has. Maybe the glyphs on his helmet
                                            or collar denote the rank of general?

                                            *** Here I can't say I agree... I mean yes he has the glyphs on his helmet and collar, but every line of dialog referring to his "rank" indicates he is Chief of Security...
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42549 From: theskulpter Date: 12/27/2006
                                            Subject: Re: General Urko new Head sculpt by The Farrow,+ Merry Christmas...
                                            .html
                                            Yea,could be. That makes sence about using almost the same costume,so
                                            figuring he was a General also. But I would think that if one company
                                            made this mistake,then someone would catch it, but instead he was
                                            called General Urko on so many products.Anyway glad this was brought to
                                            my attention,I have never even thought about it before, and it is
                                            interesting.--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > -- I think it was probably just sloppiness and a recognition thing
                                            > that was carried over from general Ursus, as they did both have
                                            > virtually the same costumes.
                                            >
                                            > And just because Urko is not named as a General in the TV show doesn't
                                            > have to mean that isn't a rank he has. Maybe the glyphs on his helmet
                                            > or collar denote the rank of general?
                                            >
                                            > Neil
                                            >
                                            > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "theskulpter" <theskulpter@> wrote:
                                            > > I have to watch the Tv shows again,I wonder why they came up with
                                            > that General name then. He is also named GENERAL URKO on the old mego
                                            > dolls
                                            >
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42550 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/27/2006
                                            Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
                                            .html
                                            I don't think it's wrong at all! Put all you pleasures
                                            together! If you start making the girls wear Apemania
                                            masks...then you might have gone too far!

                                            Tim
                                            --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

                                            > The girls are fine (pun intended) and are going to
                                            > look great in the
                                            > Planet of the Apes t-shirts I'm gonna make them all
                                            > wear..... for the
                                            > few minutes they have there tops on. ;)
                                            >
                                            > Is it wrong to mix your earliest, most fond
                                            > childhood memories with
                                            > your sickest, most twisted adult desires? Man, I
                                            > hope so.
                                            > Muhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                            > <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > i was gonna ask how the strippers were doing,
                                            > John!
                                            > >
                                            > > Tim
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > > I would proudly wear the "Uncle Manny, Get
                                            > Drunk"
                                            > > > t-shirt to the
                                            > > > titty bar!!
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                            > > > <apefan23@> wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > love these Neil! would gladly order one of
                                            > these!
                                            > > > I
                                            > > > > like the one with the TV logo on the
                                            > back.....and
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > glyphs down the sleeves would be cool on a
                                            > long
                                            > > > sleeve
                                            > > > > shirt!
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > TIm
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Hello,
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > This email message is a notification to let
                                            > you
                                            > > > know
                                            > > > > > that
                                            > > > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area
                                            > of
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > > PotaDG
                                            > > > > > group.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > File : /t shirt 00.gif
                                            > > > > > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@>
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Description :
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > You can access this file at the URL:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            >
                                            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/t%20shirt%2000.gif
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your
                                            > group,
                                            > > > > > please visit:
                                            > > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > munkeyman63au <ntfoster@>
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42551 From: Terry Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                            Ape Chronicles turns 15 years old this month
                                            So we are putting out a special anniversary issue #40 and are looking
                                            for your input.

                                            We'd love to hear from you with your comments - good or bad on Ape
                                            Chronicles and its role in Apedom over the years since 1991.

                                            You can just email me your thoughts OR if you would like to make any
                                            major contribution POTA related (reviews, fanfiction, original art)
                                            etc please get in touch with me at
                                            hoknes@...

                                            Thanks

                                            Merry Xmas

                                            Terry Hoknes

                                            We are in the process of planning to overhaul our website at
                                            www.planetoftheapesfanclub.com
                                            so if you are into webpage design please contact me also. Thanks
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42552 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
                                            .html
                                            I tried to get some of them to do that for my Birthday. I had one who
                                            was willing but then the others talked her out of it. ;(



                                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > I don't think it's wrong at all! Put all you pleasures
                                            > together! If you start making the girls wear Apemania
                                            > masks...then you might have gone too far!
                                            >
                                            > Tim
                                            > --- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > The girls are fine (pun intended) and are going to
                                            > > look great in the
                                            > > Planet of the Apes t-shirts I'm gonna make them all
                                            > > wear..... for the
                                            > > few minutes they have there tops on. ;)
                                            > >
                                            > > Is it wrong to mix your earliest, most fond
                                            > > childhood memories with
                                            > > your sickest, most twisted adult desires? Man, I
                                            > > hope so.
                                            > > Muhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                            > > <apefan23@> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > i was gonna ask how the strippers were doing,
                                            > > John!
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Tim
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- John <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > I would proudly wear the "Uncle Manny, Get
                                            > > Drunk"
                                            > > > > t-shirt to the
                                            > > > > titty bar!!
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
                                            > > > > <apefan23@> wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > love these Neil! would gladly order one of
                                            > > these!
                                            > > > > I
                                            > > > > > like the one with the TV logo on the
                                            > > back.....and
                                            > > > > the
                                            > > > > > glyphs down the sleeves would be cool on a
                                            > > long
                                            > > > > sleeve
                                            > > > > > shirt!
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > TIm
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > --- PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Hello,
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > This email message is a notification to let
                                            > > you
                                            > > > > know
                                            > > > > > > that
                                            > > > > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area
                                            > > of
                                            > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > PotaDG
                                            > > > > > > group.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > File : /t shirt 00.gif
                                            > > > > > > Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@>
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Description :
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > You can access this file at the URL:
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/t%20shirt%2000.gif
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your
                                            > > group,
                                            > > > > > > please visit:
                                            > > > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > munkeyman63au <ntfoster@>
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42553 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            .html In a message dated 12/28/2006 1:13:55 AM Central Standard Time, hoknescards@... writes:

                                            Ape Chronicles turns 15 years old this month.So we are putting out a special anniversary issue # 40 and are looking for your input.


                                            *** Oh, does that mean this issue will be as good as the last one, from over 2 years back? I suppose that's about the norm, except the new subscribers are actually  getting the new issues with less time between them than I had to deal with...

                                            Also, how much of this will be original material, not just stuff lifted from the internet? (Lifted things like, let's say the "aged Galen" transcripts, and the ever exciting "Here's what was on eBay two weeks ago" piece...) But more than anything else, the best piece in issue # 39 was the POTA Encyclopediawith it's "fantastic" storyline breakdown, and the even better references breakdown... Talk about grasping at straws for material: The animals seen as atmosphere were even included, cow and chickens are included... some may argue you were being thorough, I say it was all done as filler to make it seem like there really was a lot of material when really it was quite thin...

                                            My guess is that at the rate AC is printed, the people that subscribe won't see this issue until sometime in the summer of 2007 at the earliest...

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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42554 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            Wow!!! There hasn't been a rant like this since Rory moved.
                                            Fantastic!!! Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!! Now let's start attacking
                                            that "other" group. ANARCHY!!!!



                                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
                                            >
                                            > In a message dated 12/28/2006 1:13:55 AM Central Standard Time,
                                            > hoknescards@... writes:
                                            >
                                            > > Ape Chronicles turns 15 years old this month.So we are putting
                                            out a
                                            > > special anniversary issue # 40 and are looking for your input.
                                            >
                                            > *** Oh, does that mean this issue will be as good as the last one,
                                            from over
                                            > 2 years back? I suppose that's about the norm, except the new
                                            subscribers are
                                            > actually getting the new issues with less time between them than I
                                            had to
                                            > deal with...
                                            >
                                            > Also, how much of this will be original material, not just stuff
                                            lifted from
                                            > the internet? (Lifted things like, let's say the "aged Galen"
                                            transcripts, and
                                            > the ever exciting "Here's what was on eBay two weeks ago" piece...)
                                            But more
                                            > than anything else, the best piece in issue # 39 was the POTA
                                            Encyclopediawith
                                            > it's "fantastic" storyline breakdown, and the even better
                                            references
                                            > breakdown... Talk about grasping at straws for material: The
                                            animals seen as
                                            > atmosphere were even included, cow and chickens are included...
                                            some may argue you were
                                            > being thorough, I say it was all done as filler to make it seem
                                            like there
                                            > really was a lot of material when really it was quite thin...
                                            >
                                            > My guess is that at the rate AC is printed, the people that
                                            subscribe won't
                                            > see this issue until sometime in the summer of 2007 at the
                                            earliest...
                                            >
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42555 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            My parents raised me to not beat up on the “children of a lesser god”!  J

                                             

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
                                            Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 6:58 AM
                                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                             

                                            Wow!!! There hasn't been a rant like this since Rory moved.
                                            Fantastic!!! Muhahahahahahaha! !!!!! Now let's start attacking
                                            that "other" group. ANARCHY!!!!

                                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, mlccougar@.. . wrote:

                                            >
                                            > In a message dated 12/28/2006 1:13:55 AM Central Standard Time,
                                            > hoknescards@ ... writes:
                                            >
                                            > > Ape Chronicles turns 15 years old this month.So we are putting
                                            out a
                                            > > special anniversary issue # 40 and are looking for your input.
                                            >
                                            > *** Oh, does that mean this issue will be as good as the last one,
                                            from over
                                            > 2 years back? I suppose that's about the norm, except the new
                                            subscribers are
                                            > actually getting the new issues with less time between them than I
                                            had to
                                            > deal with...
                                            >
                                            > Also, how much of this will be original material, not just stuff
                                            lifted from
                                            > the internet? (Lifted things like, let's say the "aged Galen"
                                            transcripts, and
                                            > the ever exciting "Here's what was on eBay two weeks ago"
                                            piece...)
                                            But more
                                            > than anything else, the best piece in issue # 39 was the POTA
                                            Encyclopediawith
                                            > it's "fantastic" storyline breakdown, and the even better
                                            references
                                            > breakdown... Talk about grasping at straws for material: The
                                            animals seen as
                                            > atmosphere were even included, cow and chickens are included...
                                            some may argue you were
                                            > being thorough, I say it was all done as filler to make it seem
                                            like there
                                            > really was a lot of material when really it was quite thin...
                                            >
                                            > My guess is that at the rate AC is printed, the people that
                                            subscribe won't
                                            > see this issue until sometime in the summer of 2007 at the
                                            earliest...


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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42556 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Marvel UK issue 115
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                                            Just in case any of you have forgotten, Greg P is on holidays this week so I thought I would just remind you that issue 115 of the Marvel UK comic is now available to download from Hunter's site.
                                             
                                            I have no idea what's in it so you'll have to check it out for yourselves:
                                             
                                             
                                            Neil
                                             
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42557 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            -- Now now, no talk of 'attacking' other groups please! We don't need to do that sort of thing. We just want to keep discussing Apes, as we have for the past 42555 posts.
                                             
                                            Neil
                                             
                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
                                            Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 5:58 AM
                                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                            Now let's start attacking that "other" group. ANARCHY!!!!

                                            .

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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42558 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                               What do you care how long between issues, since you don't like the mag anyway, Chuckles?  Love, Jeff
                                             
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:57 AM
                                            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                            In a message dated 12/28/2006 1:13:55 AM Central Standard Time, hoknescards@ shaw.ca writes:

                                            Ape Chronicles turns 15 years old this month.So we are putting out a special anniversary issue # 40 and are looking for your input.


                                            *** Oh, does that mean this issue will be as good as the last one, from over 2 years back? I suppose that's about the norm, except the new subscribers are actually  getting the new issues with less time between them than I had to deal with...

                                            Also, how much of this will be original material, not just stuff lifted from the internet? (Lifted things like, let's say the "aged Galen" transcripts, and the ever exciting "Here's what was on eBay two weeks ago" piece...) But more than anything else, the best piece in issue # 39 was the POTA Encyclopediawith it's "fantastic" storyline breakdown, and the even better references breakdown... Talk about grasping at straws for material: The animals seen as atmosphere were even included, cow and chickens are included... some may argue you were being thorough, I say it was all done as filler to make it seem like there really was a lot of material when really it was quite thin...

                                            My guess is that at the rate AC is printed, the people that subscribe won't see this issue until sometime in the summer of 2007 at the earliest...

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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42559 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            Backhanded B U R N!!!!!
                                            Just kidding. We are all sad pathetic fans of a movie nobody else
                                            really cares all that much about and we should all stick together and
                                            Blah, blah, blah, blah blah. ;)

                                            Neil is a hippie.



                                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > -- Now now, no talk of 'attacking' other groups please! We don't
                                            need to
                                            > do that sort of thing. We just want to keep discussing Apes, as we
                                            have
                                            > for the past 42555 posts.
                                            >
                                            > Neil
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > -----Original Message-----
                                            > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                            Behalf
                                            > Of John
                                            > Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 5:58 AM
                                            > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE
                                            > CHRONICLES
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Now let's start attacking that "other" group. ANARCHY!!!!
                                            >
                                            > .
                                            >
                                            > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
                                            s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
                                            > sgId=42554/stime=1167336394/nc1=3858789/nc2=3848619/nc3=4299908>
                                            >
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42560 From: John Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            How I have missed this playful banter amongst friends. ;)

                                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > What do you care how long between issues, since you don't like
                                            the mag anyway, Chuckles? Love, Jeff
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: mlccougar@...
                                            > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com ; Apes_Flicks@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:57 AM
                                            > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE
                                            CHRONICLES
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > In a message dated 12/28/2006 1:13:55 AM Central Standard Time,
                                            hoknescards@... writes:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Ape Chronicles turns 15 years old this month.So we are putting
                                            out a special anniversary issue # 40 and are looking for your input.
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > *** Oh, does that mean this issue will be as good as the last
                                            one, from over 2 years back? I suppose that's about the norm, except
                                            the new subscribers are actually getting the new issues with less
                                            time between them than I had to deal with...
                                            >
                                            > Also, how much of this will be original material, not just stuff
                                            lifted from the internet? (Lifted things like, let's say the "aged
                                            Galen" transcripts, and the ever exciting "Here's what was on eBay
                                            two weeks ago" piece...) But more than anything else, the best piece
                                            in issue # 39 was the POTA Encyclopediawith it's "fantastic"
                                            storyline breakdown, and the even better references breakdown... Talk
                                            about grasping at straws for material: The animals seen as atmosphere
                                            were even included, cow and chickens are included... some may argue
                                            you were being thorough, I say it was all done as filler to make it
                                            seem like there really was a lot of material when really it was quite
                                            thin...
                                            >
                                            > My guess is that at the rate AC is printed, the people that
                                            subscribe won't see this issue until sometime in the summer of 2007
                                            at the earliest...
                                            >
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42561 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
                                            .html
                                            .html *** Call it a rant if you want to, I don't care... I just think his "business practices" leave a lot to be desired... I had subscribed to that thing and at the time I did, it was still "marketed" as quarterly if I remember correctly... I had received an issue, which at the time I subscribed was alreay quite old... I emailed several times over the years (yes, literally years) I was still subscribed thru my initial membership... All I asked was when the new issue would be out and all I got was the runaround, with lines like "it will be out in December" or whatever month was forthcoming (Not too much when you're led to believe you'll get issues on a regular basis!)... Did those issues ever materialize, not on your life! (not until a year+ after I quit was issue 39 printed)... When I finally had enough of not receiveing what I paid for, I asked for a refund and instead of that, I was offered a "credit" towards the overpriced merchandise he was selling!

                                            I'm just saying that nobody should get their hopes up, and proceed with caution!



                                            In a message dated 12/28/2006 2:08:58 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:


                                            Wow!!! There hasn't been a rant like this since Rory moved.
                                            Fantastic!!!   Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!!  Now let's start attacking
                                            that "other" group. ANARCHY!!!!


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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42562 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            .html In a message dated 12/28/2006 7:36:38 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


                                              What do you care how long between issues, since you don't like the mag anyway, Chuckles?  Love, Jeff


                                            *** I care because I don't like to see people NOT getting what they paid for!!!!
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42563 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: This is supposed to be a cover for a novel.....
                                            .html
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                                            Now see!
                                            This is the sort of thing.
                                            If you made a POTA with this as the poster
                                            people would go to see it.  As long as it's
                                            not like those trailers that are better than
                                            the film is.  POTA with forced mating and
                                            full frontal nudity.  Get back to POTA darkness!
                                             
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42564 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 12/28/2006
                                            Subject: Re: Glyph Shirts
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                                            In a message dated 12/26/2006 9:27:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:
                                            http://i43.photobuc ket.com/albums/ e375/drzaiusdavi s/Ape%
                                            20CULT/stuff2. jpg
                                             
                                            WTF?
                                             
                                            Don't tease us with pics too small to see.
                                            I don't have a 50" plasma monitor.
                                             
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42565 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: WHITTY!
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                                            .htmlWhitty,

                                            Normally I wouldn't ask here, but I'm wondering if you read the private email I sent you the other day regarding the APES t-shirts topic? (I'm asking because you didn't reply?)
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42566 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            Response to Mike mlccougar@... from Terry Hoknes (editor of Ape Chronicles)
                                             
                                            Hey Mike well I was sure surprised to see your posts of complaints
                                            But instead of being annoyed I just laughed and grinned because in most cases I do agree with you!
                                             
                                            But I will still try and defend myself here a bit
                                             
                                            For anyone who was part of Ape Chronicles in the pre-internet days you will note that we were more important then and definitely had a more consistent publishing schedule.
                                             
                                            But as time went by I landed up doing all the work myself and time grew thin as I never made any money.
                                            It was just a labor of love which didnt work out well at times cause I travelled for years and was never home to stay on top of things.     So issues became more sporadic.
                                             
                                            Eventually the internet came along and with everything free on the internet it became less important to put issues of AC out.    And simply put that with so much great stuff on the net it is truly hard to come up with a lot of original material when i get very little contributions.
                                             
                                            Simian Scrolls is now a way better magazine in content and appearance - mainly because numerous people are contributing giving it variety and some life!
                                             
                                            However I love my POTA and always want to make my little contribution and keep the fire burning for something that was truly important 15 yrs ago.
                                             
                                            I checked my records and Mike, you paid for an AC subscription on Sept 11 2000 - and yes it took you 4 yrs and 3 months to get the 6 issues you paid for.   Based on business alone thats pretty lousy I definitely agree!  However I dont rip people off - I simply kept planning to get issues out but just never had the time to do it.   I was really happy to get #37-39 out and I really liked them.   I never intended to give you the "runaround".   I do apologize that you had to wait so long to get the issues that you paid for.     Because of your thoughts I have realized it would be best in the future that I should just sell new issues one issue at a time and not "memberships".
                                             
                                            In fact I do keep very good records and there are 20 people that paid for issue #40 over 2 years ago that I still have on file.    I guess you could tell me to refund their money and I would do so if they asked for it but they will be guaranteed to get their paid issue when it finally sees daylight.
                                             
                                            At one point in time AC was the only POTA related item you could get.  I think it had an important role in the early 90s - the internet has made it a little bit obsolete - if you dont like the contents though that is totally up to you to be critical.   All I can say is I wish more people would contribute and that would make it a better overall fanzine.
                                             
                                            And yes if nobody contributes or shows interest maybe #40 won't see daylight for another 6 months!
                                            Believe it or not it does take me a lot of work to put an issue together whether anyone appreciates it or not.
                                            So its way easier to NOT work on it but I really want to.
                                             
                                            In terms of content my overly thorough breakdown of episodes is my favorite thing.  And yes it might get ridiculous at times but I will NOT stop doing that.   If a chicken crosses the road I am gonna mention it - everybody has analyzed Star Wars and Star Trek to death and I'm trying to do my part with POTA.
                                             
                                            I have sort of treated the "POTA Fan Club" as a business mainly as selling POTA collectibles.   Perhaps some things are overpriced but in most cases not really.   I have not actually made any money - i've propably lost having things in stock.  I really lost out when I did my best to promote the 2001 movie and carry merchandise.  Nobody supported me and I had to clear out a ton of stuff at bargain bin prices to get rid of it.  
                                             
                                            Simply put if you enjoy Ape Chronicles then I hope you want future issues and if you dont then definitely pass it up.  Its not for everybody.
                                             
                                            I am a very easy going open-minded person who lives a very busy life.  I go through fazes where I try to focus on POTA and then I have to put it aside for other things in life.  So at least I try to get motivated.  
                                             
                                            I can't believe 15 years has gone by.  The world has changed as has POTA fans.    Think how important these yahoogroups have been for discussion.   Well at one time Ape Chronicles was the only way to have that discussion.   Now I use the fanzine as a way to summarize stuff and keep important POTA related items together which does mean I include some reprinted items from the internet.  But anyways I look forward to more criticisms but since I am the editor I put together things that I think should be saved in print.  Many items that are neat on the internet disappear after a time so I try to keep them saved forever.
                                             
                                            Anyways I've rambled enough - I look forward to a heated discussion about all this and
                                            I want to say thanks to Mike for being upfront and honest about this.  
                                            It will give me ideas on how to hopefully make AC future issues better than ever.
                                             
                                            Terry Hoknes
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42567 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            -- Well I can only speak for myself but I have never had any bad experiences with Terry.
                                            Not long ago I brought a bulk load of comics from him and got a very good deal. Also no problems receiving my goods either. Based on my own experiences I can say that I have been completely happy with any transactions I have had with him. I'm sorry to hear that you have had problems with him in the past but going on my own dealings I can only state that I was very happy.
                                             
                                            Neil
                                             
                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
                                            Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 1:32 PM
                                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                            *** Call it a rant if you want to, I don't care... I just think his "business practices" leave a lot to be desired... I had subscribed to that thing and at the time I did, it was still "marketed" as quarterly if I remember correctly... I had received an issue, which at the time I subscribed was alreay quite old... I emailed several times over the years (yes, literally years) I was still subscribed thru my initial membership.. . All I asked was when the new issue would be out and all I got was the runaround, with lines like "it will be out in December" or whatever month was forthcoming (Not too much when you're led to believe you'll get issues on a regular basis!)... Did those issues ever materialize, not on your life! (not until a year+ after I quit was issue 39 printed)... When I finally had enough of not receiveing what I paid for, I asked for a refund and instead of that, I was offered a "credit" towards the overpriced merchandise he was selling!

                                            I'm just saying that nobody should get their hopes up, and proceed with caution!

                                            .

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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42568 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            Well Neil and I would happily contribute either an article, or a comic, or both.

                                             

                                            And I’d like to nominate Neil to do the cover!

                                             

                                            Cougar, you should offer to help suggest content that might be of interest.  How about I send you that Creber interview and you write out the text?

                                             

                                            With all our differences, there’s never any reason we, as fans of POTA, cannot get together and make something excellent.

                                            Michael

                                             

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
                                            Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 8:33 PM
                                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                             

                                            Response to Mike mlccougar@aol. com from Terry Hoknes (editor of Ape Chronicles)

                                             

                                            Hey Mike well I was sure surprised to see your posts of complaints

                                            But instead of being annoyed I just laughed and grinned because in most cases I do agree with you!

                                             

                                            But I will still try and defend myself here a bit

                                             

                                            For anyone who was part of Ape Chronicles in the pre-internet days you will note that we were more important then and definitely had a more consistent publishing schedule.

                                             

                                            But as time went by I landed up doing all the work myself and time grew thin as I never made any money.

                                            It was just a labor of love which didnt work out well at times cause I travelled for years and was never home to stay on top of things.     So issues became more sporadic.

                                             

                                            Eventually the internet came along and with everything free on the internet it became less important to put issues of AC out.    And simply put that with so much great stuff on the net it is truly hard to come up with a lot of original material when i get very little contributions.

                                             

                                            Simian Scrolls is now a way better magazine in content and appearance - mainly because numerous people are contributing giving it variety and some life!

                                             

                                            However I love my POTA and always want to make my little contribution and keep the fire burning for something that was truly important 15 yrs ago.

                                             

                                            I checked my records and Mike, you paid for an AC subscription on Sept 11 2000 - and yes it took you 4 yrs and 3 months to get the 6 issues you paid for.   Based on business alone thats pretty lousy I definitely agree!  However I dont rip people off - I simply kept planning to get issues out but just never had the time to do it.   I was really happy to get #37-39 out and I really liked them.   I never intended to give you the "runaround".   I do apologize that you had to wait so long to get the issues that you paid for.     Because of your thoughts I have realized it would be best in the future that I should just sell new issues one issue at a time and not "memberships" .

                                             

                                            In fact I do keep very good records and there are 20 people that paid for issue #40 over 2 years ago that I still have on file.    I guess you could tell me to refund their money and I would do so if they asked for it but they will be guaranteed to get their paid issue when it finally sees daylight.

                                             

                                            At one point in time AC was the only POTA related item you could get.  I think it had an important role in the early 90s - the internet has made it a little bit obsolete - if you dont like the contents though that is totally up to you to be critical.   All I can say is I wish more people would contribute and that would make it a better overall fanzine.

                                             

                                            And yes if nobody contributes or shows interest maybe #40 won't see daylight for another 6 months!

                                            Believe it or not it does take me a lot of work to put an issue together whether anyone appreciates it or not.

                                            So its way easier to NOT work on it but I really want to.

                                             

                                            In terms of content my overly thorough breakdown of episodes is my favorite thing.  And yes it might get ridiculous at times but I will NOT stop doing that.   If a chicken crosses the road I am gonna mention it - everybody has analyzed Star Wars and Star Trek to death and I'm trying to do my part with POTA.

                                             

                                            I have sort of treated the "POTA Fan Club" as a business mainly as selling POTA collectibles.   Perhaps some things are overpriced but in most cases not really.   I have not actually made any money - i've propably lost having things in stock.  I really lost out when I did my best to promote the 2001 movie and carry merchandise.  Nobody supported me and I had to clear out a ton of stuff at bargain bin prices to get rid of it.  

                                             

                                            Simply put if you enjoy Ape Chronicles then I hope you want future issues and if you dont then definitely pass it up.  Its not for everybody.

                                             

                                            I am a very easy going open-minded person who lives a very busy life.  I go through fazes where I try to focus on POTA and then I have to put it aside for other things in life.  So at least I try to get motivated.  

                                             

                                            I can't believe 15 years has gone by.  The world has changed as has POTA fans.    Think how important these yahoogroups have been for discussion.   Well at one time Ape Chronicles was the only way to have that discussion.   Now I use the fanzine as a way to summarize stuff and keep important POTA related items together which does mean I include some reprinted items from the internet.  But anyways I look forward to more criticisms but since I am the editor I put together things that I think should be saved in print.  Many items that are neat on the internet disappear after a time so I try to keep them saved forever.

                                             

                                            Anyways I've rambled enough - I look forward to a heated discussion about all this and

                                            I want to say thanks to Mike for being upfront and honest about this.  

                                            It will give me ideas on how to hopefully make AC future issues better than ever.

                                             

                                            Terry Hoknes


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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42569 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
                                            .html
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                                            Terry,

                                             

                                            There are a couple of other things you might want to consider too.

                                             

                                            Most importantly – what do you need to charge and what can you therefore deliver (including Air Mail International Postage)?

                                             

                                            I know there are a few people in the group who have printer connections and if Simian Scrolls can be printed on that quality paper with a colour cover and not lose money, then you should be able to achieve the same!

                                            Michael

                                             

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
                                            Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 8:33 PM
                                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                             

                                            Response to Mike mlccougar@aol. com from Terry Hoknes (editor of Ape Chronicles)

                                             

                                            Hey Mike well I was sure surprised to see your posts of complaints

                                            But instead of being annoyed I just laughed and grinned because in most cases I do agree with you!

                                             

                                            But I will still try and defend myself here a bit

                                             

                                            For anyone who was part of Ape Chronicles in the pre-internet days you will note that we were more important then and definitely had a more consistent publishing schedule.

                                             

                                            But as time went by I landed up doing all the work myself and time grew thin as I never made any money.

                                            It was just a labor of love which didnt work out well at times cause I travelled for years and was never home to stay on top of things.     So issues became more sporadic.

                                             

                                            Eventually the internet came along and with everything free on the internet it became less important to put issues of AC out.    And simply put that with so much great stuff on the net it is truly hard to come up with a lot of original material when i get very little contributions.

                                             

                                            Simian Scrolls is now a way better magazine in content and appearance - mainly because numerous people are contributing giving it variety and some life!

                                             

                                            However I love my POTA and always want to make my little contribution and keep the fire burning for something that was truly important 15 yrs ago.

                                             

                                            I checked my records and Mike, you paid for an AC subscription on Sept 11 2000 - and yes it took you 4 yrs and 3 months to get the 6 issues you paid for.   Based on business alone thats pretty lousy I definitely agree!  However I dont rip people off - I simply kept planning to get issues out but just never had the time to do it.   I was really happy to get #37-39 out and I really liked them.   I never intended to give you the "runaround".   I do apologize that you had to wait so long to get the issues that you paid for.     Because of your thoughts I have realized it would be best in the future that I should just sell new issues one issue at a time and not "memberships" .

                                             

                                            In fact I do keep very good records and there are 20 people that paid for issue #40 over 2 years ago that I still have on file.    I guess you could tell me to refund their money and I would do so if they asked for it but they will be guaranteed to get their paid issue when it finally sees daylight.

                                             

                                            At one point in time AC was the only POTA related item you could get.  I think it had an important role in the early 90s - the internet has made it a little bit obsolete - if you dont like the contents though that is totally up to you to be critical.   All I can say is I wish more people would contribute and that would make it a better overall fanzine.

                                             

                                            And yes if nobody contributes or shows interest maybe #40 won't see daylight for another 6 months!

                                            Believe it or not it does take me a lot of work to put an issue together whether anyone appreciates it or not.

                                            So its way easier to NOT work on it but I really want to.

                                             

                                            In terms of content my overly thorough breakdown of episodes is my favorite thing.  And yes it might get ridiculous at times but I will NOT stop doing that.   If a chicken crosses the road I am gonna mention it - everybody has analyzed Star Wars and Star Trek to death and I'm trying to do my part with POTA.

                                             

                                            I have sort of treated the "POTA Fan Club" as a business mainly as selling POTA collectibles.   Perhaps some things are overpriced but in most cases not really.   I have not actually made any money - i've propably lost having things in stock.  I really lost out when I did my best to promote the 2001 movie and carry merchandise.  Nobody supported me and I had to clear out a ton of stuff at bargain bin prices to get rid of it.  

                                             

                                            Simply put if you enjoy Ape Chronicles then I hope you want future issues and if you dont then definitely pass it up.  Its not for everybody.

                                             

                                            I am a very easy going open-minded person who lives a very busy life.  I go through fazes where I try to focus on POTA and then I have to put it aside for other things in life.  So at least I try to get motivated.  

                                             

                                            I can't believe 15 years has gone by.  The world has changed as has POTA fans.    Think how important these yahoogroups have been for discussion.   Well at one time Ape Chronicles was the only way to have that discussion.   Now I use the fanzine as a way to summarize stuff and keep important POTA related items together which does mean I include some reprinted items from the internet.  But anyways I look forward to more criticisms but since I am the editor I put together things that I think should be saved in print.  Many items that are neat on the internet disappear after a time so I try to keep them saved forever.

                                             

                                            Anyways I've rambled enough - I look forward to a heated discussion about all this and

                                            I want to say thanks to Mike for being upfront and honest about this.  

                                            It will give me ideas on how to hopefully make AC future issues better than ever.

                                             

                                            Terry Hoknes


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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42570 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/29/2006
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                                            I know a lot of serious collectors have subscribed Terry.

                                             

                                            I’d like to see an article, or even a PAGE, of the TOP 10 POTA collectibles as voted by the collectors.  This page alone would outshine Sauseville’s book!  Photos and maybe links to where you can see colour photos on the web would be nice too.

                                             

                                            Anthony George, Joe, Ken Taylor – send these guys an email and ask them what are the 10 best POTA collectibles and why and ask them for photos.

                                             

                                            We could also look at the major list you once compiled, and hyperlink photos to the list.....asking in the magazine for photos of things you do not have.

                                             

                                            Just a few ideas....

                                             

                                            Michael

                                             

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                                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
                                            Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 10:13 PM
                                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                             

                                            Well Neil and I would happily contribute either an article, or a comic, or both.

                                             

                                            And I’d like to nominate Neil to do the cover!

                                             

                                            Cougar, you should offer to help suggest content that might be of interest.  How about I send you that Creber interview and you write out the text?

                                             

                                            With all our differences, there’s never any reason we, as fans of POTA, cannot get together and make something excellent.

                                            Michael

                                             

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                                            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
                                            Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 8:33 PM
                                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com; pota@yahoogroups. com
                                            Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES

                                             

                                            Response to Mike mlccougar@aol. com from Terry Hoknes (editor of Ape Chronicles)

                                             

                                            Hey Mike well I was sure surprised to see your posts of complaints

                                            But instead of being annoyed I just laughed and grinned because in most cases I do agree with you!

                                             

                                            But I will still try and defend myself here a bit

                                             

                                            For anyone who was part of Ape Chronicles in the pre-internet days you will note that we were more important then and definitely had a more consistent publishing schedule.

                                             

                                            But as time went by I landed up doing all the work myself and time grew thin as I never made any money.

                                            It was just a labor of love which didnt work out well at times cause I travelled for years and was never home to stay on top of things.     So issues became more sporadic.

                                             

                                            Eventually the internet came along and with everything free on the internet it became less important to put issues of AC out.    And simply put that with so much great stuff on the net it is truly hard to come up with a lot of original material when i get very little contributions.

                                             

                                            Simian Scrolls is now a way better magazine in content and appearance - mainly because numerous people are contributing giving it variety and some life!

                                             

                                            However I love my POTA and always want to make my little contribution and keep the fire burning for something that was truly important 15 yrs ago.

                                             

                                            I checked my records and Mike, you paid for an AC subscription on Sept 11 2000 - and yes it took you 4 yrs and 3 months to get the 6 issues you paid for.   Based on business alone thats pretty lousy I definitely agree!  However I dont rip people off - I simply kept planning to get issues out but just never had the time to do it.   I was really happy to get #37-39 out and I really liked them.   I never intended to give you the "runaround".   I do apologize that you had to wait so long to get the issues that you paid for.     Because of your thoughts I have realized it would be best in the future that I should just sell new issues one issue at a time and not "memberships" .

                                             

                                            In fact I do keep very good records and there are 20 people that paid for issue #40 over 2 years ago that I still have on file.    I guess you could tell me to refund their money and I would do so if they asked for it but they will be guaranteed to get their paid issue when it finally sees daylight.

                                             

                                            At one point in time AC was the only POTA related item you could get.  I think it had an important role in the early 90s - the internet has made it a little bit obsolete - if you dont like the contents though that is totally up to you to be critical.   All I can say is I wish more people would contribute and that would make it a better overall fanzine.

                                             

                                            And yes if nobody contributes or shows interest maybe #40 won't see daylight for another 6 months!

                                            Believe it or not it does take me a lot of work to put an issue together whether anyone appreciates it or not.

                                            So its way easier to NOT work on it but I really want to.

                                             

                                            In terms of content my overly thorough breakdown of episodes is my favorite thing.  And yes it might get ridiculous at times but I will NOT stop doing that.   If a chicken crosses the road I am gonna mention it - everybody has analyzed Star Wars and Star Trek to death and I'm trying to do my part with POTA.

                                             

                                            I have sort of treated the "POTA Fan Club" as a business mainly as selling POTA collectibles.   Perhaps some things are overpriced but in most cases not really.   I have not actually made any money - i've propably lost having things in stock.  I really lost out when I did my best to promote the 2001 movie and carry merchandise.  Nobody supported me and I had to clear out a ton of stuff at bargain bin prices to get rid of it.  

                                             

                                            Simply put if you enjoy Ape Chronicles then I hope you want future issues and if you dont then definitely pass it up.  Its not for everybody.

                                             

                                            I am a very easy going open-minded person who lives a very busy life.  I go through fazes where I try to focus on POTA and then I have to put it aside for other things in life.  So at least I try to get motivated.  

                                             

                                            I can't believe 15 years has gone by.  The world has changed as has POTA fans.    Think how important these yahoogroups have been for discussion.   Well at one time Ape Chronicles was the only way to have that discussion.   Now I use the fanzine as a way to summarize stuff and keep important POTA related items together which does mean I include some reprinted items from the internet.  But anyways I look forward to more criticisms but since I am the editor I put together things that I think should be saved in print.  Many items that are neat on the internet disappear after a time so I try to keep them saved forever.

                                             

                                            Anyways I've rambled enough - I look forward to a heated discussion about all this and

                                            I want to say thanks to Mike for being upfront and honest about this.  

                                            It will give me ideas on how to hopefully make AC future issues better than ever.

                                             

                                            Terry Hoknes


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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42571 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/29/2006
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                                              Yes, this is an excellent book for fans of Stan Winston but a bit pricey (about $50). Lots of rare photos. There's also shots of Winston on the set of "Battle" and the TV show. Winston was a struggling actor who went to see the original POTA movie and was inspired to try being a makeup artist. The rest is history. Winston really wanted to do the new POTA and spent a lot of his own time and resources developing ape concepts. He seemed a shoe-in when Schwartzenegger was involved, since he, Winston and James Cameron are really tight. But when Burton got involved the job reverted to ape god Rick Baker.
                                              Winston is best known for making "creatures" such as "Terminator", "Aliens" and "Jurassic Park". His apes were mechanical appliances that fit over the actors and he was working on a way for the actors to manipulate it facially like makeup. - - - Jeff
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                                            Subject: [POTA] winston test

                                            The other day I saw the book "The Winston Effect", is a double page
                                            dedicated to the test of The Planet of the Apes.
                                            The photos are very detailed and in some pics the animatronic
                                            mechanisms for the movement of the mouth are clearly seen.
                                            I always thought that the test was prosthetic make up, But I was wrong.
                                            The aspect is very good, but I do not know how it was in movement, I
                                            suppose that very good.
                                            Unfortunately I could not buy the book.
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42572 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: (OT) Kraik today
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                                             Fans of the POTA TV show might want to check out the current issue of "Premiere" magazine. In listing the best performances of the year they include a short interview and picture of Jackie Earle Haley, who's getting raves as a sex offender in the movie "Little Children". Haley was a child actor probably best known as the punk kid in the original "Bad news Bears"(1976), as well as "Breaking Away" (1979). He also was featured in "The Legacy" episode of POTA as the lost boy Kraik. Haley is now 45 (!) and also was in the Sean Penn movie "All the King's Men" this year. He can be seen on pg. 94 of "Premiere". He says the best acting advice he can give is "persevere". - - - Jeff
                                             
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42573 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
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                                            .html In a message dated 12/29/2006 6:12:59 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                                            I know there are a few people in the group who have printer connections and if Simian Scrolls can be printed on that quality paper with a colour cover and not lose money, then you should be able to achieve the same!



                                            *** I agree... AC would benefit from colorization... It would look more like a contemporary fanzine, and not something some kid printed out in his garage...
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42574 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
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                                            .html In a message dated 12/29/2006 5:28:17 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                                            Cougar, you should offer to help suggest content that might be of interest.  How about I send you that Creber interview and you write out the text?



                                            *** Whitty,

                                            If you and/or Neil would do anything for AC, that might be what makes it palatable...

                                            Anyway, normally I'd might consider your offer, but if I were to do it, I'd probably want to transcribe it for SIMIAN SCROLLS...
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42575 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES 15th Anniversary of APE CHRONICLES
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                                            .html In a message dated 12/29/2006 6:17:43 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                                            I'd like to see an article, or even a PAGE, of the TOP 10 POTA collectibles as voted by the collectors.  This page alone would outshine Sauseville's book!  Photos and maybe links to where you can see colour photos on the web would be nice too.


                                            *** Whitty,

                                            So far you're two for two with your ideas!  Hoknes should hand the reins over to you and you could get that ship steered to where it needs to be...

                                            Anyway, I like this idea as well, and imagine how this article could look IF it were printed on quality paper with nice COLOR photos! i'd like to see it with actual photos in the article, not links to them... (Yes, as hard as it to believe, there are still quite a few folks without the internet... And, there are some people like me who don't like the idea of having to set at the computer to look at things when it could be printed on paper...)
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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42576 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: Re: [POTA] winston test
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                                            .htmlJeffery, Jeffery, Jeffery...

                                            I hope you realize that cross posting like that (with a post from the pota group that is) is usually grounds for the keeper over there to ban or heavily moderate you... It happpened to me, Whitty I believe, and someone else... Either way, good luck with your probation...






                                            In a message dated 12/29/2006 8:16:31 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


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                                            From: joseramonruizdiez
                                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:53 AM
                                            Subject: [POTA] winston test


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                                            Group: potadg Message: 42577 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 12/29/2006
                                            Subject: Cameron's POTA
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                                            Was there ever a script developed for this project? I believe Arnold was supposed to be in the Taylor role. How far did this project go before it permanently floundered?
                                            Bill
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