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-- Are they the issues with coloured Terror in them? And is there any chance of you scanning them for the group?

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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-- Will you be prepared to listen to the rest of it?

*** Yes, my barf bag is at the ready...

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Terror in colour

*** Yeah, they have TERROR in them (as well as PLANET I recall), BUT unfortunately I do not have a scanner so I couldn't upload any of them...

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.html In a message dated 3/6/2007 9:14:01 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Glad to hear that you will still listen to the rest of it even though it is clear that you don't like it so far. I also think it is healthy that people that don't like something aren't afraid to say so and let it be known why not (as long as we don't just resort to insults and mud slinging).

*** Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about... I've seen it before (on the "other" group as well as here...) It's sickening to see people falsely saying they like something just so whoever did it doesn't feel mad/bad/ or whatever... It's also even worse to see people setting there saying things like "Oh, this will breathe new life into the fanchise" or bullshit like that... If anyone seriously thinks that some "fan-made" audio show, or a line of poorly done comics are really gonna get APES out there again, they had better get their reality checked... FOX is the only way that anything could get done, and they sure the hell aren't gonna take their cue from audio dramas or piss poor comic stories... Sure, the comics were licensed, but as far as anything else goes, FOX would be more apt to say "You're infringing on our copyright, we'll see you in court" rather than saying "That's great... Let's do lunch and see what else we can come up with..."

Face it, APES is dead... I know it, you know it, and all these things we're seeing of late are just poor attempts to resurrect the name... Some may do it out of true love of the franchise, but most of it is done for an ego booster or financial gain (or both!)... And, a lot of it is done by people with no business doing what they're doing, and APES is made one rung lower by it...


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ne thing I have never liked or wanted myself when offering up something I have done for public scrutiny is false praise given just to keep the peace and to not cause upset (which I have encountered on some groups.) It sure makes for far more healthy debate in my opinion.

*** Well, from what I've seen, other than Anthony, myself, Whitty, and you, nobody has even bothered to coment either way (good or bad)... I'm wondering if those who thought the audio project was gonna be the greatest thing to come down the pike are really seeing (well, hearing) just how poor this under-taking is and now don't want to comment because they're embarassed by it (I know I sure was embarrassed by it!)



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.html In a message dated 3/6/2007 9:22:12 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

I couldn't tell from the tiny pictures on ebay but is the colouring any good in your opinion or is it on a par with the Adventures on the POTA reprints?

*** It's been awhile since I looked at them, but from what I remember, yeah, the coloring WAS better than the MARVEL "Adventure on the POTA" series... One thing that does stick out in my head is that at least the Mexican comics colored the orangutan's outfits orange, and not blue...<.html


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Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2007 1:46 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 232

Issue 232 of Mighty World of Marvel, the 2nd of 16 issues of this series to continue the Apes stories after the Planet of the Apes comic was cancelled by Marvel UK, is now available to download from Hunter's site. This week we get a little more of the Battle adaptation.

 

Also available this week is the concluding part of the BBC Radio 4 Book at Bedtime adaptation of Pierre Boule's novel. Thanks to Neil Moxham and David Bryan for providing the files. Also thanks to Neil Foster for supplying CD case art. I've really enjoyed listening to these chapters each week and look forward to listening to the whole thing in one sitting.

 

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.html In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:57:06 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I also think we should offer SOME positive feedback or encouragement.

*** I did... I said that the art in REVOLUTION wasn't all that bad... The story though, was not good, and there is NO WAY of getting around that... And, as far as any audio adaptations of PLANET, I encouraged the idea of doing a proper one...

You (or other people who oppose my views) may say "Well, why don't YOU do something if you don't like what these guys are doing"? I'll tell you why: I am not talented in that area and I'm not going to set here and pretend to be just for the sake of "art"... I would NOT do something APES just to do it to try to prove a point... If I did anything, it would not be any good... I am not afraid to admit this, and it would be wrong of anyone to say "That's good" when A) It wouldn't be true and B) It would only encourage more crap... Neil is a great artist (and Glen on the other group is good at drawing too!) but I am not... If I tried a feeble attempt at a drawing, it'd be wrong to say it was in Foster's league and actually, it'd be insulting to know any compliment would not be sincere, because it'd only be said "to be nice"...

Would you tell a one handed man he is an excellent guitarist when you KNOW it's not true? I'm sure you wouldn't, so why tell people their APES projects are good if they're not? Do you really believe that giving false encouragement is the right thing to do when down deep you KNOW you aren't liking what you see (or hear)?

That's probably my teaching background....always trying to help the kids find some positives in everything they do.

*** Encouraging kids is something totally different, and comparing this board to that is off kilter...

it can't be good to immediately shout people down and frighten them away from the group. These people come with good intentions and it just isn't nice to get rough straight away.

*** Telling someone that their ideas are off is shouting people down? Saying that you can't mix the film and a book is frightening? I guess I didn't know we were on eggshells here... I'm not dragging him into it, but in some ways Patrick does this: I mean if you say something that doesn't jibe with the Mothership theory for example, you're liable to get quite a lecture from him... So, why is it okay for that to go on, but telling someone that they should have actually did bits that actually tie into the film rather than creating scenarios that were NOT in the film is wrong? Patrick is passionate about his ideas, that's fine... I am the same way about seeing the PLANET film defaced... Patrick can have his opinions but I can't say don't ruin a perfect film with crazed ideas? I don't get it, it's a double standard...

But more than anything I sought PEOPLE to discuss POTA with. We keep the group alive for others who feel the same.

*** It's obvious that even though there are more people in this group than just say 10 people, only ten people ever bother to say anything at all... This group is kept alive for a handful of a handful... Then once in a while you get some new person proclaiming to be the biggest APES fan that ever lived (until their interest wanes!) and you never hear from them again... It seems the more they say how big of a fan they are, they actually aren't most of the time...

I'd just really like people to be kind.  You can say what you want without being nasty, or being an asshole.

*** I'm not digging up the past here, but think back a few weeks ago... You wrote quite a mean post about someone I'm working with to get the APES radio spots together to be made into a CD... "Nasty" is only one adjective for the post that was directed at him (especially since he is not even on this group to chime in and give a rebuttal).

Any person who contributes should be encouraged and given effective, constructive criticism.  I don't think that's too much to ask is it?


*** This was covered in the first paragraph... But I'll say it again: Why give a fake compliment? And, while were at it, you know what I really hate: Being called "friend" or "amigo" in that condescending manner....

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>Posted by: "Neil T Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
>-- I picked up those German comics last year and the colouring in them
>is pretty damn good, way better than the coloured versions that came out
>in those Marvel reprints. The only bad thing is that they stopped
>printing them about half way through the Escape adaptation.

I wish they'd release Terror in color in English. Like you, I love
those strips...even if the last few installments do get kind of stupid.

>Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
>*** Yeah, they have TERROR in them (as well as PLANET I recall), BUT
>unfortunately I do not have a scanner so I couldn't upload any of them...

Where are you located? I have a scanner and would be happy to help
in that regard.

>Posted by: "Neil T Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
>-- Glad to hear that you will still listen to the rest of it even though
>it is clear that you don't like it so far. I also think it is healthy
>that people that don't like something aren't afraid to say so and let it
>be known why not (as long as we don't just resort to insults and mud
>slinging).

Yeah, that's key -- some of the negative comments have been downright
rude, with no sense of tact. I can honestly say that I never enjoyed
the artwork in most of the Adventure comics, but I say that with
respect to those who created them. I have no desire to insult them,
if they're reading. It takes guts to put one's work out for others
to criticize, and those who do criticize would do well to remember that.

>One thing I have never liked or wanted myself when offering up something
>I have done for public scrutiny is false praise given just to keep the
>peace and to not cause upset (which I have encountered on some groups.)

That surprises me, Neil, as I wouldn't think people would dislike
your work. (And I don't mean that ironically -- I seriously would be
surprised if there are a lot of folks who don't enjoy your
artwork. As far as I'm concerned, you should be working professionally.

>Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
>*** Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about... I've seen it before (on
>the "other" group as well as here...) It's sickening to see people falsely
>saying they like something just so whoever did it doesn't feel mad/bad/ or
>whatever...

But how do you know they're saying it falsely? Maybe they genuinely
like it. Let's take "Revolution," for example. It's obvious you
couldn't stand it (with all due respect, your comments about it are
among those that have bordered on insulting), but I am being 100%
genuine in saying I thought it was brilliant and a more-than-worthy
addition to the Apes mythos. I rank it right up there next to
Marvel's early "Terror" strips, Marvel's "Evolution's Nightmare" and
Adventure's "Forbidden Zone" and "Urchak's Folly" as one of my
favorite Apes stories of all time. And I'm NOT saying that because
Ty is here to read my words. If I disliked something about
"Revolution," I'd admit it -- in fact, I agree with others who felt
the use of the Adventure artist in the backup story about the
Lawgivers was unfortunate. What makes you think others are being
false in their praise?

>It's also even worse to see people setting there saying things like
>"Oh, this will breathe new life into the fanchise" or bullshit like
>that... If
>anyone seriously thinks that some "fan-made" audio show, or a line of poorly
>done comics are really gonna get APES out there again, they had
>better get their
>reality checked...

But there's a big difference between saying something will breathe
new life into something and saying it'll get Fox to revive the
series. The comics and the audio drama DO breathe new life into the
Apes saga, by definition -- they're new offerings, so they give fans
something new to discuss, whether positively or negatively. Will
either inspire Fox to review the films or create a new TV
series? No, not likely. But that doesn't mean they don't breathe
new life into it. I'm just happy to have something new to read and discuss.

>Face it, APES is dead... I know it, you know it, and all these things we're
>seeing of late are just poor attempts to resurrect the name... Some may do it
>out of true love of the franchise, but most of it is done for an ego
>booster or
>financial gain (or both!)...

Having discussed Revolution and Apes in general with Ty off-group, I
firmly believe he's in the first group. He may be a professional
comics writer, but that doesn't mean he only writes for ego-stroking
or money. (Trust me...as someone who works in the publishing field,
those of us who write and edit for a living do not make a lot of
money, and the ego-stroking comes far less frequently than you might
think.) I think Ty (and Bill on the audios) are clearly offering
their respective Apes tales out of a love for the franchise. No
doubt about it.

>And, a lot of it is done by people with no
>business doing what they're doing, and APES is made one rung lower by it...

Well, sure, a lot of Apes stuff has sucked. The cartoons were an
embarrassment, and some of the Adventure stories were very weak. But
that's a given in any published franchise -- you can't please
everyone all the time. You might think Ty and Bill (or whoever you
meant) have no place creating Apes stories...others might disagree
and enjoy their work (I know I do). The best a writer can hope for
is that he enjoys what he's doing, and that the majority of people
enjoy it as well.

>*** Well, from what I've seen, other than Anthony, myself, Whitty, and you,
>nobody has even bothered to coment either way (good or bad)... I'm
>wondering if
>those who thought the audio project was gonna be the greatest thing to come
>down the pike are really seeing (well, hearing) just how poor this
>under-taking
>is and now don't want to comment because they're embarassed by it (I know I
>sure was embarrassed by it!)

Naah, I doubt that's it. I'm sure many are simply waiting until it's
done, just as they were waiting until Mike and Neil's comics were
done before commenting on them. I personally tend to wait until a
story is done before dissecting it. I'm sure others do the same.

>Posted by: "Michael Whitty" whitty@... mike_oz2002
>I take all your points Mike but I also think we should offer SOME positive
>feedback or encouragement.
>That's probably my teaching background....always trying to help the kids
>find some positives in everything they do.

I agree...must be my teaching background as well.

>Posted by: "Neil T Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
>-- It's a bit of a quandary isn't it? Do we want ANY new Apes stuff
>regardless, or only if it is high quality and completely faithful to the
>original movies / concept?

Exactly. I'd love to be at a point where we had so much stuff coming
out that I could say "This was good, this wasn't, this was great,
this wasn't." Unfortunately, we get so little coming our way...the
long-lost Spanish comics...the Hungarian novel
adaptation...Revolution...Bill's audiodramas...the radio drama of the
novel...that I look forward to and hungrily devour each one as it
comes out. That doesn't mean I can't objectively recognize any
faults that might exist...but I'm just glad to have something new to chew on.

.html In a message dated 3/7/2007 9:45:59 AM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

But how do you know they're saying it falsely?  Maybe they genuinely like it.  Let's take "Revolution," for example.  It's obvious you couldn't stand it (with all due respect, your comments about it are among those that have bordered on insulting), What makes you think others are being false in their praise?

*** Again, I've said the artwork in REVOLUTION wasn't bad, and that it was the only redeeming quality of the run... I've said the art was good, that's not total disdain, is it?

And as far as the "false praise," I know for a fact that someone was doling out comments that were insincere in hopes of getting work for somebody... It was a case of "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine" as I seen it... (Sadly, the scratching didn't do much in the way of helping anybody...)

Also, there have to be cases of "kissing up" so to speak in hopes of people continuing to do these things, good or bad... I mean you yourself said that:

In a message dated 3/7/2007 9:45:59 AM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

Unfortunately, we get so little coming our way that I look forward to and hungrily devour each one as it comes out.  

Maybe there are others out there with the same mindset, but they go one step further and say they like ANYTHING that's churned out, just for the sake of saying it because someone "rewarded" them with an APES project... Maybe people think I'm too hard one some things (I might be) but I'm not going to set back and say I liked something just because it has the APES name attached to it (and yes, there ARE people like that... If there weren't, then please explain how anyone could like APE-NATION!)... As I've said, myself, I'd rather never see anything APES ever again if it means mediocrity... We had enough mediocre APES projects over the years... It's time people strive for something that equals PLANET in it's potency, and not BATTLE...

But there's a big difference between saying something will breathe new life into something and saying it'll get Fox to revive the series.  The comics and the audio drama DO breathe new life into the Apes saga, by definition -- they're new offerings, so they give fans something new to discuss, whether positively or negatively.  Will either inspire Fox to review the films or create a new TV series?  No, not likely.  But that doesn't mean they don't breathe new life into it.  I'm just happy to have something new to read and discuss.

*** I've never looked at it from this POV... But, and maybe I misread them, there were folks that seemed to really be thinking REVOLUTION would fly off the shelves, FOX would take notice, and FOX would do something new for the big screen with APES... Again, it's the old "Let's take whatever is handed to us no matter how bad it is... We'll consume it, praise it, and glorify it... Then we'll get what we really want.." Well, face it, praising things you don't truly like just in hopes of "maybe" getting what you DO want doesn't work... It only leads to more poor projects, cause "they" think THAT's what sells!

Naah, I doubt that's it.  I'm sure many are simply waiting until it's done, just as they were waiting until Mike and Neil's comics were done before commenting on them.  I personally tend to wait until a story is done before dissecting it.  I'm sure others do the same.

*** I don't know what to tell you here... I mean take Whitty and Neil's projects... People were encouraged to comment on each piece as it was posted (this done to encourage discussion). If something is posted in parts, you can expect that it will be dissected as it's made available... I thought that the Apes audio folks wanted people's comments as it was released?<.html


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. It takes guts to put one's work out for others
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... I thought that the Apes audio folks wanted people's comments as it was released?

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:57:06 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

I also think we should offer SOME positive feedback or encouragement.

*** I did... I said that the art in REVOLUTION wasn't all that bad... The story though, was not good, and there is NO WAY of getting around that... And, as far as any audio adaptations of PLANET, I encouraged the idea of doing a proper one...

You (or other people who oppose my views) may say "Well, why don't YOU do something if you don't like what these guys are doing"? I'll tell you why: I am not talented in that area and I'm not going to set here and pretend to be just for the sake of "art"... I would NOT do something APES just to do it to try to prove a point... If I did anything, it would not be any good... I am not afraid to admit this, and it would be wrong of anyone to say "That's good" when A) It wouldn't be true and B) It would only encourage more crap... Neil is a great artist (and Glen on the other group is good at drawing too!) but I am not... If I tried a feeble attempt at a drawing, it'd be wrong to say it was in Foster's league and actually, it'd be insulting to know any compliment would not be sincere, because it'd only be said "to be nice"...

Would you tell a one handed man he is an excellent guitarist when you KNOW it's not true? I'm sure you wouldn't, so why tell people their APES projects are good if they're not? Do you really believe that giving false encouragement is the right thing to do when down deep you KNOW you aren't liking what you see (or hear)?

That's probably my teaching background.. ..always trying to help the kids find some positives in everything they do.

*** Encouraging kids is something totally different, and comparing this board to that is off kilter...

it can't be good to immediately shout people down and frighten them away from the group. These people come with good intentions and it just isn't nice to get rough straight away.

*** Telling someone that their ideas are off is shouting people down? Saying that you can't mix the film and a book is frightening? I guess I didn't know we were on eggshells here... I'm not dragging him into it, but in some ways Patrick does this: I mean if you say something that doesn't jibe with the Mothership theory for example, you're liable to get quite a lecture from him... So, why is it okay for that to go on, but telling someone that they should have actually did bits that actually tie into the film rather than creating scenarios that were NOT in the film is wrong? Patrick is passionate about his ideas, that's fine... I am the same way about seeing the PLANET film defaced... Patrick can have his opinions but I can't say don't ruin a perfect film with crazed ideas? I don't get it, it's a double standard...

But more than anything I sought PEOPLE to discuss POTA with. We keep the group alive for others who feel the same.

*** It's obvious that even though there are more people in this group than just say 10 people, only ten people ever bother to say anything at all... This group is kept alive for a handful of a handful... Then once in a while you get some new person proclaiming to be the biggest APES fan that ever lived (until their interest wanes!) and you never hear from them again... It seems the more they say how big of a fan they are, they actually aren't most of the time...

I'd just really like people to be kind.  You can say what you want without being nasty, or being an asshole.

*** I'm not digging up the past here, but think back a few weeks ago... You wrote quite a mean post about someone I'm working with to get the APES radio spots together to be made into a CD... "Nasty" is only one adjective for the post that was directed at him (especially since he is not even on this group to chime in and give a rebuttal).

Any person who contributes should be encouraged and given effective, constructive criticism.  I don't think that's too much to ask is it?


*** This was covered in the first paragraph... But I'll say it again: Why give a fake compliment? And, while were at it, you know what I really hate: Being called "friend" or "amigo" in that condescending manner....

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Well, I finally had a chance to give a listen to the new audio
version of Apes. You know, everyone had said such bad things about
it, I was waiting to hate it..... and I do. :( I know those
involved meant well and probably put alot into it but that dosen't
make it more enjoyable to listen to. Taylor's voice makes me want to
punch babies in the face. I was pretty excited by the idea. I'm a
huge fan of the Power Book & Record sets. Not just the Apes ones mind
you but the whole run of Power records. The "Values" CD project gave
me that feeling again and I really enjoyed it, but so far I think
they've really missed the mark on this one.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2007 9:14:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
>
> > -- Glad to hear that you will still listen to the rest of it even
though it
> > is clear that you don't like it so far. I also think it is
healthy that
> > people that don't like something aren't afraid to say so and let
it be known why
> > not (as long as we don't just resort to insults and mud
slinging).
>
> *** Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about... I've seen it
before (on
> the "other" group as well as here...) It's sickening to see people
falsely
> saying they like something just so whoever did it doesn't feel
mad/bad/ or
> whatever... It's also even worse to see people setting there saying
things like
> "Oh, this will breathe new life into the fanchise" or bullshit like
that... If
> anyone seriously thinks that some "fan-made" audio show, or a line
of poorly
> done comics are really gonna get APES out there again, they had
better get their
> reality checked... FOX is the only way that anything could get
done, and they
> sure the hell aren't gonna take their cue from audio dramas or piss
poor comic
> stories... Sure, the comics were licensed, but as far as anything
else goes,
> FOX would be more apt to say "You're infringing on our copyright,
we'll see
> you in court" rather than saying "That's great... Let's do lunch
and see what
> else we can come up with..."
>
> Face it, APES is dead... I know it, you know it, and all these
things we're
> seeing of late are just poor attempts to resurrect the name... Some
may do it
> out of true love of the franchise, but most of it is done for an
ego booster or
> financial gain (or both!)... And, a lot of it is done by people
with no
> business doing what they're doing, and APES is made one rung lower
by it...
>
>
> > ne thing I have never liked or wanted myself when offering up
something I
> > have done for public scrutiny is false praise given just to keep
the peace
> > and to not cause upset (which I have encountered on some groups.)
It sure makes
> > for far more healthy debate in my opinion.
>
> *** Well, from what I've seen, other than Anthony, myself, Whitty,
and you,
> nobody has even bothered to coment either way (good or bad)... I'm
wondering if
> those who thought the audio project was gonna be the greatest thing
to come
> down the pike are really seeing (well, hearing) just how poor this
under-taking
> is and now don't want to comment because they're embarassed by it
(I know I
> sure was embarrassed by it!)
>
>
>
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I'm not a huge fan of the novel and I'm very thankful for the changes
Arthur P. Jacobs, Rod Serling, & Michael Wilson, Etc. made to it but
this audio version seems to capture the novel nicely.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Thanks as always Greg.
>
> I've also really enjoyed listening to this adaptation of Mr.
Boulle's
> book, the BBC really did do a nice job with it.
>
> Neil
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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Behalf
> Of Greg Plonowski
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2007 1:46 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends &
fugitives
> Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 232
>
>
>
>
>
> Issue 232 of Mighty World of Marvel, the 2nd of 16 issues of this
series
> to continue the Apes stories after the Planet of the Apes comic was
> cancelled by Marvel UK, is now available to download from Hunter's
site.
> This week we get a little more of the Battle adaptation.
>
> Also available this week is the concluding part of the BBC Radio 4
Book
> at Bedtime adaptation of Pierre Boule's novel. Thanks to Neil
Moxham and
> David Bryan for providing the files. Also thanks to Neil Foster for
> supplying CD case art. I've really enjoyed listening to these
chapters
> each week and look forward to listening to the whole thing in one
> sitting.
>
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Well, I certainly took enough knocks regarding my own
POTA scenario (the "Mothership Theory" et al.), and
it's very hard to not take personally rather nasty
comments that certainly seemed very personal. But,
what the hell, I'm beyond caring what others think of
my own 'take' on POTA.

By the way, happy birthday to you (Neil) and to the
late, great Arthur P. Jacobs -- albeit both are
belated. I turned 42 on 1 March 2007 and I've yet to
find the Ultimate Question for the Ultimate Answer to
Life, the Universe, and Everything... ;)

I haven't listened to the new POTA audio projects yet
(haven't downloaded 'em yet), but I'll try to get to
it in the next week or so. I've been busy working on
my various projects.

But I did make some time to go to the movies. I
haven't seen anything since "CHILDREN OF MEN" (which
was, oh, about a **1/2 stars outta 5 film, in my
estimation). Impressive special effects (of urban
warfare in long camera takes), with an interesting
premise but a rather predictable plot. I could see the
demise of Michael Caine's character a half hour before
it unfolded on film.

Anyway, I went to see "ZODIAC" a few days ago. A truly
great film, IMHO. It goes out of its way to be as
accurate as possible regarding the true story it
retells -- they didn't make up shit just to make it
more "exciting". It doesn't need it. At 2 hrs 40
minutes, it sure doesn't seem like a "long" movie (as
some idiot critics have complained). It grips you from
Frame 1 to the end.

And... I had a thought. The Zodiac killer targeted
young couples (for the most part) in the late 1960s
and early 1970s. If we were to picture the events from
the POTA saga as happening in a "universe" in which
the Zodiac killer was prowling Southern California --
that is, not only in our "real" universe but also in
the fictional POTA universe, too -- then we could
speculate that the Ape-onauts might've learned about
the Zodiac killer while watching TV (either in the
L.A. Zoo or in their Beverly Wilshire hotel room). It
would've certainly helped to jaundice their views of
mankind, knowing that such monsters lurk amongst us.

In my POTA scenario, I'm having Virdon's mission to
Alpha Centauri leave Earth in August of 1971 (so that
Taylor's launch is LATER, in mid-January of 1972). We
know that Burke and Virdon had been in Southern
California before their ANSA voyage (in "THE
DECEPTION", I think it was, they find themselves in a
location where Burke had carved his name along with
that of his then-girlfriend). And, in "THE
INTERROGATION" there's that mind-f*ck scene where
Burke is remembering being out on a date (a picnic
type of thing, if I remember right) with a cute gal,
all due to Wanda brainwashing him.

So... what if Burke and that gal just happened to have
been picnicking in a spot where the Zodiac killer
might have been, spying on potential future victims?
I've been reading Robert Graysmith's "ZODIAC UNMASKED"
and he indicates in it that the Zodiac is believed to
have planned his killings well in advance, after
having targeted his victims. Often, right after
committing a murder, he would call the police and
taunt them about his most recent exploit.

I'm tempted to include a scene in my POTA opus where
Burke is out on that date with that chick seen in the
flashback in "THE INTERROGATION" (i.e. before he,
Virdon and Jones go on their trip to Alpha
Centauri)... and the Zodiac is surreptitiously
watching them... planning on making them his next
victims. But when Burke leaves for Florida (for the
launch of Virdon's ANSA ship), the Zodiac has to
choose a different couple to murder...

Oh, I'll probably NOT put that scene in my fanfic, but
it's tempting. It would certainly help to bring alive
the time-and-place setting of Southern California in
the early 1970s. The last few years here in Fargo were
eerily similar, in that a college-age girl named Dru
Sjodin (pronounced "show-DEEN") was murdered; the
creep who killed her was caught, though, and just last
month he was sentenced to death -- only because he
took her across state lines (North Dakota into
Minnesota), and that made it a Federal crime, subject
to a Federal death penalty. North Dakota doesn't have
the death penalty, and in cases like the murder of Dru
Sjodin it angers me that her killer COULD have faced
only life in prison for his crime, if he only would've
kept her corpse in North Dakota.

We don't have a lot of murders -- especially
high-profile ones -- in North Dakota, so this case was
especially hard-hitting. And it galls me that in order
for her murderer to have a "fair" trial, the state had
to shell out MILLIONS of dollars. And he still has all
those appeals to go through before he gets to be
lethally injected.

At least we have some sort of legal "closure" in Dru's
case: her killer was caught. The Zodiac, however, was
never arrested for his murders and, even though it's
apparent that a creep by the name of Arthur Leigh
Allen was indeed the Zodiac, he died in 1992 without
ever being tried for those crimes. Back in 1971, 1972,
and 1973 -- when the ANSA astronauts were leaving
Earth for their respective celestial destinations and
when the Ape-onauts appeared outta nowhere -- the
people living in Southern California were in the grip
of a very real fear, especially in San Francisco. The
movie "DIRTY HARRY" was loosely based on the Zodiac
case (the fictional version being "Scorpio"). At one
point, the Zodiac threatened to cause a schoolbus
accident and then shoot the kids as they got out of
the bus. Makes you think again about the use of a
schoolbus in "BATTLE", especially when Aldo and his
soldiers slaughter Kolp and his men in it.

At any rate, "ZODIAC" is a great film, and I recommend
it to everybody.

Ciao for now,

Patrick

===================================================
--- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

-- That's all very true but the other side of the coin
is that you should also be prepared to take the knocks
as well. The trick is to try not to take it personally
(which is very, very hard I know), especially if you
truly believe in what you are doing. I know that isn't
easy and just off the top of my head I can think of a
few attacks that were made on 'Beast' back in the
'old' days that certainly made me angry and upset the
writer so much he was forced to respond aggressively
to defend it.

Neil


-----Original Message--------------------------
From: Rich Handley

It takes guts to put one's work out for others to
criticize, and those who do criticize would do well to
remember that.

If you don't have anything nice to say.....




You're probably talking about most anything to come from the Planet of
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In a message dated 3/4/2007 7:38:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I don't like Taylor's voice - sounds like Clint Eastwood.

 

Clint Eastwood would be preferable. This is more like a bad Gary Busey.

I thought the Power Records were pretty bad, but they are high art compared

to this stuff.  This project soul be scrapped. Go back to the drawing board and

try again.  It's worse than the Hitchhiker's Guide movie.  I know this is difficult

material to get right, especially when you see it screwed up so often.  I could

barely stand to listen to excerpts.  How did they go to all that trouble for THAT?

 

 

 

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Why are you getting on the offensive at me?

*** Why you ask? Well, I'll tell you:

I'm the only person that currently has voiced any "anti" statements on the projects (well, okay, Anthony has voiced his opinion too) and as such, it certainly seemed to me that your statements were directed at me... It seems that I'm the only one adamantly opposed to seeing PLANET done wrong and it sure seemed your post was directly aimed at me (or I interpreted it that way...)

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I haven't had time to listen to these recordings and now all I can seem
to find is the teaser prologue (at www.brokensea.com and at Hunter's site).

So where are the rest or at least one complete episode? Even tried
different browsers to make sure it wasn't a browser specific problem.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: TZer0@...
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listened Yet?

>
> In a message dated 3/4/2007 7:38:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> I don't like Taylor's voice - sounds like Clint Eastwood.
>
>
>
> Clint Eastwood would be preferable. This is more like a bad Gary
> Busey.I thought the Power Records were pretty bad, but they are
> high art compared
> to this stuff. This project soul be scrapped. Go back to the
> drawing board
> and
> try again. It's worse than the Hitchhiker's Guide movie. I know
> this is
> difficult
> material to get right, especially when you see it screwed up so
> often. I
> could
> barely stand to listen to excerpts. How did they go to all that
> trouble for
> THAT?
>
>
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.html In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:02:11 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I was pretty excited by the idea. I'm a huge fan of the Power Book & Record sets.

*** I was too at first... I asked Hunter what was up when somebody mentioned his sight mentioned some new audio adaption of PLANET, I was wanting to find out what it was when I heard about it... And then, the lights went out... As soon as I went to Hunter's sight and seen their banner ad had a picture of Councilor Zaius and not Dr. Zaius, that was the first signal things weren't gonna be "kosher"...

Then Whitty invited them to join the DG and they started talking about their project... Once they said they were bring elements of the sequels into it (ie Milo) I knew it was doomed... The mentioning of crossing the film and Boulle's book (two of the most uncrossable bits in the APEs kingdom) the nail was in the coffin right then and there as far as having any creedence left to it...

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:57:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I'd just really like people to be kind.  You can say what you want without being nasty, or being an asshole.

 

Any person who contributes should be encouraged and given effective, constructive criticism.  I don't think that's too much to ask is it?

 

Then I'd like to encourage them to do it over.

If at first you don't succeed . . . try, try again.

Here's some constructive criticism.

Rewrite it so it's not painful to read

and have it read by someone that's

not painful to listen to.  Impressed

with the effort, not the results.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2517

By the way, happy birthday to you (Neil) and to the
late, great Arthur P. Jacobs -- albeit both are
belated. I turned 42 on 1 March 2007

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

I'm the only person that currently has voiced any "anti" statements on the projects (well, okay, Anthony has voiced his opinion too)

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

Then Whitty invited them to join the DG and they started talking about their project...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:13 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listened Yet?

I haven't had time to listen to these recordings and now all I can seem
to find is the teaser prologue (at www.brokensea. com and at Hunter's site).

So where are the rest or at least one complete episode? Even tried
different browsers to make sure it wasn't a browser specific problem.

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.html In a message dated 3/8/2007 12:40:47 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- A few more have now by the looks of things! And I must admit I did think some of the early 'anti' statements were a bit over the top and bordering on the offensive.

*** Which makes me wonder: What do you think of the early statements by Anthony and me now? (Now that DrZaiusDavis, and good old Lord T have chimed in...)
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.html In a message dated 3/8/2007 12:43:50 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

I honestly thought a new Apes project would be the sort of thing that interested the members of a POTA discussion group!

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.html In a message dated 3/8/2007 12:47:46 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- This was from an earlier post by Paul answering a similar question, hope it helps:

http://www.brokensea.com/pota/pota.htm

The episode link is at the bottom of the page.


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:00 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2517

-- That's what I thought as well otherwise how will they know what the fans really think about it?

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 3:42 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2517

... I thought that the Apes audio folks wanted people's comments as it was released?

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 4:46 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

*** Which makes me wonder: What do you think of the early statements by Anthony and me now? (Now that DrZaiusDavis, and good old Lord T have chimed in...)

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

Well, I finally had a chance to give a listen to the new audio
version of Apes. You know, everyone had said such bad things about
it, I was waiting to hate it..... and I do. :( I know those
involved meant well and probably put alot into it but that dosen't
make it more enjoyable to listen to.

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.html In a message dated 3/8/2007 1:16:22 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- I still think some of them were way over the top.

*** You're entitled to your opinion...

I do find it interesting though that the two who said they wanted to hear comments (good and bad) are not posting on here at all, but a quick check of the other group (pota) find them happily posting where all the comments being made are "good" (i.e. praising it...)<.html


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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

As soon as I went to Hunter's sight and seen their banner ad had a picture of Councilor Zaius and not Dr. Zaius, that was the first signal things weren't gonna be "kosher"...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 5:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Making comments

I also think people will discuss more that way.  Right now, the way this discussion is going, I predict it will be between about 4-5 people.  Others will be afraid to express their opinion and will instead remain quiet.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 5:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

In a message dated 3/8/2007 1:16:22 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- I still think some of them were way over the top.

*** You're entitled to your opinion...

I do find it interesting though that the two who said they wanted to hear comments (good and bad) are not posting on here at all, but a quick check of the other group (pota) find them happily posting where all the comments being made are "good" (i.e. praising it...)

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Then I though of all the times that Fox, who actually own this stuff, have used the wrong pictures on Apes stuff themselves and I felt I could cut the guys a bit of slack on it.

*** Yeah, but the thing with that is that whoever is doing the screw ups at FOX probably really does NOT know that they're making a mistake... Just cause they work for FOX doesn't mean they're even remotely a fan of APES, or M*A*S*H, The Simpsons, or any FOX property... They're graphic designers, and they go with what they think works for their assignment...

If you or I were to design something APES related, I'm sure we'd KNOW what is actually from what (we wouldn't use a picture of Urko if we wanted to do something depicting Ursus for example...) If you're doing a fan-based project, then you should at least be able to know what's what, especially if there are so many things that distiguish it from the rest...<.html


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-- As we all are on here and hopefully we all remain friends even though we can violently disagree with each other sometimes.

*** Yeah, but that's not the point... Whitty said things I didn't agree with... I said things you and Whitty didn't agree with, etc. but we're not just going to go where the grass is greener and everyone is kissing our asses, especially when it was said "we WANT your comments regardless..."<.html


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

Well, I finally had a chance to give a listen to the new audio
version of Apes. You know, everyone had said such bad things about
it, I was waiting to hate it..... and I do. :( I know those
involved meant well and probably put alot into it but that dosen't
make it more enjoyable to listen to. Taylor's voice makes me want to
punch babies in the face. I was pretty excited by the idea. I'm a
huge fan of the Power Book & Record sets. Not just the Apes ones mind
you but the whole run of Power records. The "Values" CD project gave
me that feeling again and I really enjoyed it, but so far I think
they've really missed the mark on this one.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, mlccougar@.. . wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2007 9:14:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
>
> > -- Glad to hear that you will still listen to the rest of it even
though it
> > is clear that you don't like it so far. I also think it is
healthy that
> > people that don't like something aren't afraid to say so and let
it be known why
> > not (as long as we don't just resort to insults and mud
slinging).
>
> *** Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about... I've seen it
before (on
> the "other" group as well as here...) It's sickening to see people
falsely
> saying they like something just so whoever did it doesn't feel
mad/bad/ or
> whatever... It's also even worse to see people setting there saying
things like
> "Oh, this will breathe new life into the fanchise" or bullshit like
that... If
> anyone seriously thinks that some "fan-made" audio show, or a line
of poorly
> done comics are really gonna get APES out there again, they had
better get their
> reality checked... FOX is the only way that anything could get
done, and they
> sure the hell aren't gonna take their cue from audio dramas or piss
poor comic
> stories... Sure, the comics were licensed, but as far as anything
else goes,
> FOX would be more apt to say "You're infringing on our copyright,
we'll see
> you in court" rather than saying "That's great... Let's do lunch
and see what
> else we can come up with..."
>
> Face it, APES is dead... I know it, you know it, and all these
things we're
> seeing of late are just poor attempts to resurrect the name... Some
may do it
> out of true love of the franchise, but most of it is done for an
ego booster or
> financial gain (or both!)... And, a lot of it is done by people
with no
> business doing what they're doing, and APES is made one rung lower
by it...
>
>
> > ne thing I have never liked or wanted myself when offering up
something I
> > have done for public scrutiny is false praise given just to keep
the peace
> > and to not cause upset (which I have encountered on some groups.)
It sure makes
> > for far more healthy debate in my opinion.
>
> *** Well, from what I've seen, other than Anthony, myself, Whitty,
and you,
> nobody has even bothered to coment either way (good or bad)... I'm
wondering if
> those who thought the audio project was gonna be the greatest thing
to come
> down the pike are really seeing (well, hearing) just how poor this
under-taking
> is and now don't want to comment because they're embarassed by it
(I know I
> sure was embarrassed by it!)
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mighty World of Marvel issue 232

I'm not a huge fan of the novel and I'm very thankful for the changes
Arthur P. Jacobs, Rod Serling, & Michael Wilson, Etc. made to it but
this audio version seems to capture the novel nicely.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:
>
> -- Thanks as always Greg.
>
> I've also really enjoyed listening to this adaptation of Mr.
Boulle's
> book, the BBC really did do a nice job with it.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf
> Of Greg Plonowski
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2007 1:46 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com; potadg@yahoogroups. com ; friends &
fugitives
> Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 232
>
>
>
>
>
> Issue 232 of Mighty World of Marvel, the 2nd of 16 issues of this
series
> to continue the Apes stories after the Planet of the Apes comic was
> cancelled by Marvel UK, is now available to download from Hunter's
site.
> This week we get a little more of the Battle adaptation.
>
> Also available this week is the concluding part of the BBC Radio 4
Book
> at Bedtime adaptation of Pierre Boule's novel. Thanks to Neil
Moxham and
> David Bryan for providing the files. Also thanks to Neil Foster for
> supplying CD case art. I've really enjoyed listening to these
chapters
> each week and look forward to listening to the whole thing in one
> sitting.
>
> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "pota." claiming to be https://pota. <https://pota. goatley.com/> goatley.com/
> .
>
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listened Yet?

In a message dated 3/4/2007 7:38:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

I don't like Taylor's voice - sounds like Clint Eastwood.

 

Clint Eastwood would be preferable. This is more like a bad Gary Busey.

I thought the Power Records were pretty bad, but they are high art compared

to this stuff.  This project soul be scrapped. Go back to the drawing board and

try again.  It's worse than the Hitchhiker's Guide movie.  I know this is difficult

material to get right, especially when you see it screwed up so often.  I could

barely stand to listen to excerpts.  How did they go to all that trouble for THAT?

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 2:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

In a message dated 3/7/2007 5:23:56 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

Why are you getting on the offensive at me?

*** Why you ask? Well, I'll tell you:

I'm the only person that currently has voiced any "anti" statements on the projects (well, okay, Anthony has voiced his opinion too) and as such, it certainly seemed to me that your statements were directed at me... It seems that I'm the only one adamantly opposed to seeing PLANET done wrong and it sure seemed your post was directly aimed at me (or I interpreted it that way...

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.html In a message dated 3/8/2007 2:02:01 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I think what we are really saying is PLANET does not need an audio production - we'd really like to get something brand new.

*** I don't know if anyone actually said that... Granted, I'd much rather have a decent book of the film, but I would not be dead set against an audio of PLANET with production values on par with a good radio show or book on tape...

And yes, you tried to give us that with "Lessons", but like I said that is just the device of some cowards to attack people on this group without admitting it....

*** I'm not sure who or what you were replying to here, but I will say that what you had said about those "lessons" made sense to me...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

Well, I finally had a chance to give a listen to the new audio
version of Apes. You know, everyone had said such bad things about
it, I was waiting to hate it..... and I do. :( I know those
involved meant well and probably put alot into it but that dosen't
make it more enjoyable to listen to. Taylor's voice makes me want to
punch babies in the face. I was pretty excited by the idea. I'm a
huge fan of the Power Book & Record sets. Not just the Apes ones mind
you but the whole run of Power records. The "Values" CD project gave
me that feeling again and I really enjoyed it, but so far I think
they've really missed the mark on this one.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, mlccougar@.. . wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2007 9:14:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
>
> > -- Glad to hear that you will still listen to the rest of it even
though it
> > is clear that you don't like it so far. I also think it is
healthy that
> > people that don't like something aren't afraid to say so and let
it be known why
> > not (as long as we don't just resort to insults and mud
slinging).
>
> *** Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about... I've seen it
before (on
> the "other" group as well as here...) It's sickening to see people
falsely
> saying they like something just so whoever did it doesn't feel
mad/bad/ or
> whatever... It's also even worse to see people setting there saying
things like
> "Oh, this will breathe new life into the fanchise" or bullshit like
that... If
> anyone seriously thinks that some "fan-made" audio show, or a line
of poorly
> done comics are really gonna get APES out there again, they had
better get their
> reality checked... FOX is the only way that anything could get
done, and they
> sure the hell aren't gonna take their cue from audio dramas or piss
poor comic
> stories... Sure, the comics were licensed, but as far as anything
else goes,
> FOX would be more apt to say "You're infringing on our copyright,
we'll see
> you in court" rather than saying "That's great... Let's do lunch
and see what
> else we can come up with..."
>
> Face it, APES is dead... I know it, you know it, and all these
things we're
> seeing of late are just poor attempts to resurrect the name... Some
may do it
> out of true love of the franchise, but most of it is done for an
ego booster or
> financial gain (or both!)... And, a lot of it is done by people
with no
> business doing what they're doing, and APES is made one rung lower
by it...
>
>
> > ne thing I have never liked or wanted myself when offering up
something I
> > have done for public scrutiny is false praise given just to keep
the peace
> > and to not cause upset (which I have encountered on some groups.)
It sure makes
> > for far more healthy debate in my opinion.
>
> *** Well, from what I've seen, other than Anthony, myself, Whitty,
and you,
> nobody has even bothered to coment either way (good or bad)... I'm
wondering if
> those who thought the audio project was gonna be the greatest thing
to come
> down the pike are really seeing (well, hearing) just how poor this
under-taking
> is and now don't want to comment because they're embarassed by it
(I know I
> sure was embarrassed by it!)
>
>
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Anyone would think someone is trying to turn you against me.

*** Nope... I'm not against any of the regulars on here...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:02 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Mighty World of Marvel issue 232

Yeah - I like the novel for what it is but the movie kicks its ass! :)

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 2:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:02:11 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@ aol.com writes:

I was pretty excited by the idea. I'm a huge fan of the Power Book & Record sets.

*** I was too at first... I asked Hunter what was up when somebody mentioned his sight mentioned some new audio adaption of PLANET, I was wanting to find out what it was when I heard about it... And then, the lights went out... As soon as I went to Hunter's sight and seen their banner ad had a picture of Councilor Zaius and not Dr. Zaius, that was the first signal things weren't gonna be "kosher"...

Then Whitty invited them to join the DG and they started talking about their project... Once they said they were bring elements of the sequels into it (ie Milo) I knew it was doomed... The mentioning of crossing the film and Boulle's book (two of the most uncrossable bits in the APEs kingdom) the nail was in the coffin right then and there as far as having any creedence left to it...

And, btw, I like the POWER adaptions too... Sure, they were aimed at a younger audience in their day, but they kept their elements straight... They didn't stray too far from what they were adapting...


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.html **** I can't say for sure, but it seems to me that Rory likes the novel better, or at least at the same level, as the film? Rory, correct me if I'm wrong here...



In a message dated 3/8/2007 2:15:21 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- I'm pretty sure that would be the opinion of all Apes fans wouldn't it?

Neil

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:02 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Mighty World of Marvel issue 232


Yeah - I like the novel for what it is but the movie kicks its ass! :)


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

 

I think what we are really saying is PLANET does not need an audio production - we'd really like to get something brand new.

*** I don't know if anyone actually said that...

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I doubt they would have happened had we been able to watch the movies at home!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 5:23 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2517

-- Thanks Patrick and a belated Happy Birthday to you as well fellow Piscean. There was a reminder about Arthur P. Jacobs' BD sent to the group, something that most other POTA groups seem to have failed to acknowledge sadly.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2517

By the way, happy birthday to you (Neil) and to the
late, great Arthur P. Jacobs -- albeit both are
belated. I turned 42 on 1 March 2007

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 2:46 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:57:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

I'd just really like people to be kind.  You can say what you want without being nasty, or being an asshole.

 

Any person who contributes should be encouraged and given effective, constructive criticism.  I don't think that's too much to ask is it?

 

Then I'd like to encourage them to do it over.

If at first you don't succeed . . . try, try again.

Here's some constructive criticism.

Rewrite it so it's not painful to read

and have it read by someone that's

not painful to listen to.  Impressed

with the effort, not the results.

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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

In a message dated 3/8/2007 1:16:22 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- I still think some of them were way over the top.

*** You're entitled to your opinion...

I do find it interesting though that the two who said they wanted to hear comments (good and bad) are not posting on here at all, but a quick check of the other group (pota) find them happily posting where all the comments being made are "good" (i.e. praising it...)


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:45 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

-- As we all are on here and hopefully we all remain friends even though we can violently disagree with each other sometimes.

 

Neil

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 5:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listening Yet?

In a message dated 3/8/2007 1:16:22 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- I still think some of them were way over the top.

*** You're entitled to your opinion...

I do find it interesting though that the two who said they wanted to hear comments (good and bad) are not posting on here at all, but a quick check of the other group (pota) find them happily posting where all the comments being made are "good" (i.e. praising it...)

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:42 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Making comments

-- But is it not better to be truthful? I sure as hell would prefer honesty than having 20 odd people coming on saying how great something is (if it's patently not) and that it is 'the best thing since sliced bread' and 'I'd rather have this than a new comic or new fan-fic story or new picture or new timeline theory or new etc. etc.'

 

Neil

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 5:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Making comments

I also think people will discuss more that way.  Right now, the way this discussion is going, I predict it will be between about 4-5 people.  Others will be afraid to express their opinion and will instead remain quiet.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 5:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

-- That's one of the things I love about this group - the honesty.

 

Neil

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

Well, I finally had a chance to give a listen to the new audio
version of Apes. You know, everyone had said such bad things about
it, I was waiting to hate it..... and I do. :( I know those
involved meant well and probably put alot into it but that dosen't
make it more enjoyable to listen to.

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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 7:11 PM
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Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

In a message dated 3/8/2007 2:02:01 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

I think what we are really saying is PLANET does not need an audio production - we'd really like to get something brand new.

*** I don't know if anyone actually said that... Granted, I'd much rather have a decent book of the film, but I would not be dead set against an audio of PLANET with production values on par with a good radio show or book on tape...

And yes, you tried to give us that with "Lessons", but like I said that is just the device of some cowards to attack people on this group without admitting it....

*** I'm not sure who or what you were replying to here, but I will say that what you had said about those "lessons" made sense to me...

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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet? (POWER records)

**** Don't forget, you could watch them at home... There were the SUPER 8 films..

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 4:42 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2517

In a message dated 3/7/2007 9:45:59 AM Central Standard Time, handleyr@optonline. net writes:

But how do you know they're saying it falsely?  Maybe they genuinely like it.  Let's take "Revolution, " for example.  It's obvious you couldn't stand it (with all due respect, your comments about it are among those that have bordered on insulting), What makes you think others are being false in their praise?

*** Again, I've said the artwork in REVOLUTION wasn't bad, and that it was the only redeeming quality of the run... I've said the art was good, that's not total disdain, is it?

And as far as the "false praise," I know for a fact that someone was doling out comments that were insincere in hopes of getting work for somebody... It was a case of "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine" as I seen it... (Sadly, the scratching didn't do much in the way of helping anybody...)

Also, there have to be cases of "kissing up" so to speak in hopes of people continuing to do these things, good or bad... I mean you yourself said that:

In a message dated 3/7/2007 9:45:59 AM Central Standard Time, handleyr@optonline. net writes:

Unfortunately, we get so little coming our way that I look forward to and hungrily devour each one as it comes out.  

Maybe there are others out there with the same mindset, but they go one step further and say they like ANYTHING that's churned out, just for the sake of saying it because someone "rewarded" them with an APES project... Maybe people think I'm too hard one some things (I might be) but I'm not going to set back and say I liked something just because it has the APES name attached to it (and yes, there ARE people like that... If there weren't, then please explain how anyone could like APE-NATION!) ... As I've said, myself, I'd rather never see anything APES ever again if it means mediocrity.. . We had enough mediocre APES projects over the years... It's time people strive for something that equals PLANET in it's potency, and not BATTLE...

But there's a big difference between saying something will breathe new life into something and saying it'll get Fox to revive the series.  The comics and the audio drama DO breathe new life into the Apes saga, by definition -- they're new offerings, so they give fans something new to discuss, whether positively or negatively.  Will either inspire Fox to review the films or create a new TV series?  No, not likely.  But that doesn't mean they don't breathe new life into it.  I'm just happy to have something new to read and discuss.

*** I've never looked at it from this POV... But, and maybe I misread them, there were folks that seemed to really be thinking REVOLUTION would fly off the shelves, FOX would take notice, and FOX would do something new for the big screen with APES... Again, it's the old "Let's take whatever is handed to us no matter how bad it is... We'll consume it, praise it, and glorify it... Then we'll get what we really want.." Well, face it, praising things you don't truly like just in hopes of "maybe" getting what you DO want doesn't work... It only leads to more poor projects, cause "they" think THAT's what sells!

Naah, I doubt that's it.  I'm sure many are simply waiting until it's done, just as they were waiting until Mike and Neil's comics were done before commenting on them.  I personally tend to wait until a story is done before dissecting it.  I'm sure others do the same.

*** I don't know what to tell you here... I mean take Whitty and Neil's projects... People were encouraged to comment on each piece as it was posted (this done to encourage discussion). If something is posted in parts, you can expect that it will be dissected as it's made available... I thought that the Apes audio folks wanted people's comments as it was released?


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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 7:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Mighty World of Marvel issue 232

**** I can't say for sure, but it seems to me that Rory likes the novel better, or at least at the same level, as the film? Rory, correct me if I'm wrong here...



In a message dated 3/8/2007 2:15:21 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- I'm pretty sure that would be the opinion of all Apes fans wouldn't it?

Neil

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:02 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Mighty World of Marvel issue 232


Yeah - I like the novel for what it is but the movie kicks its ass! :)


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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 7:13 PM
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In a message dated 3/8/2007 2:09:52 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

Anyone would think someone is trying to turn you against me.

*** Nope... I'm not against any of the regulars on here...


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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 7:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet? (POWER records)

In a message dated 3/8/2007 2:18:04 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:

I doubt they would have happened had we been able to watch the movies at home!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 7:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

-- I don't honestly recall if anyone actually has said that but to me the general consensus seems to be that a majority of us would rather have something brand new. Maybe that was why Values was so universally popular?

 

Neil

 

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Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

I think what we are really saying is PLANET does not need an audio production - we'd really like to get something brand new.

*** I don't know if anyone actually said that...

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In a message dated 3/8/2007 1:48:38 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

-- As we all are on here and hopefully we all remain friends even though we can violently disagree with each other sometimes.

*** Yeah, but that's not the point... Whitty said things I didn't agree with... I said things you and Whitty didn't agree with, etc. but we're not just going to go where the grass is greener and everyone is kissing our asses, especially when it was said "we WANT your comments regardless.. ."


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Speaking of POTA audio. Has anyone noticed this on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ESCAPE-FROM-PLANET-OF-APES-Jerry-
GoldsmithSOUNDTRACK_W0QQitemZ110098295867QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZView
Item

Looks like someone created their own version of an Escape score CD.
Must admit I like the cover art.

Dario

Nope. When I tried it, it still only shows the 'prologue' file.
Has anyone tried that link lately?

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Thursday, March 8, 2007 1:36 am
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Anybody Listened Yet?

> -- This was from an earlier post by Paul answering a similar
question,
> hope it helps:
>
> http://www.brokense <http://www.brokensea.com/pota/pota.htm>
> a.com/pota/pota.htm
>
> The episode link is at the bottom of the page.
>
> Neil
>
>
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Behalf
> Of Dario Sciola
> Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 1:13 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody Listened Yet?
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>
>
> I haven't had time to listen to these recordings and now all I can
> seemto find is the teaser prologue (at www.brokensea.com and at
> Hunter'ssite).
>
> So where are the rest or at least one complete episode? Even tried
> different browsers to make sure it wasn't a browser specific problem.
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=43810/stime=1173323616/nc1=4438974/nc2=2/nc3=3>
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Not for many of us and that was so abridged it wasn't funny.

The lower class got Power Records!  :)


*** And that's where I sat...

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Yeah - but I only listened to that like once or twice too.  It was very well written/done...but man I wish we coiuld have got Neil to animate it!



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Looks like someone created their own version of an Escape score CD.  
Must admit I like the cover art.

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Fellas, how is it that James and Glen seem to LOVE this audio production?  Are they being dishonest?  Are they laughing that they got these guys to play politics for them?

*** It's hard to say... Maybe they really do like it, or at least they like the idea of it's existence? Or, maybe they are flat out lying to keep those guys in their group? We'll never know unless somebody says so...

If your speculation that the "Lessons" are directed at this group, then I guess we'll find out when the next installment is ready for listening... If their fake Lawgiver gives some "lesson" about judging things, we'll know for sure...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- ...That some of us never had a chance to own. I remember seeing those
> half page adverts for them in most of the imported American comics I
> used to waste my pocket money on every month and wishing there were some
> way I could afford to send away for them... sigh...
>
> Neil
>
>
Just for you Neil ...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/movies.jpg

Best, Graham.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 6:39 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet? (POWER records)

The lower class got Power Records!  :)

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 3:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

*** You know, it's been quite awhile since I've listened to "VALUES"...

While I thought the production values on it were decent and all, it actually is slow at times...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 4:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet? (POWER records)

Just for you Neil ...

http://i178. photobucket. com/albums/ w252/hill1965200 0/movies. jpg

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 12:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Escape CD

Speaking of POTA audio. Has anyone noticed this on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay. com/ESCAPE- FROM-PLANET- OF-APES-Jerry-
GoldsmithSOUNDTRACK _W0QQitemZ110098 295867QQcategory Z307QQrdZ1QQcmdZ View
Item

Looks like someone created their own version of an Escape score CD.
Must admit I like the cover art.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 7:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

-- I know what you are saying here. Though I like it and it is very well done I must admit I have actually fallen asleep before it has finished on many of the occasions that I have listened to it!  

Maybe it is something to do with not having any moving pictures to watch while listening to keep the brain occupied?

 

Neil

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 3:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet?

*** You know, it's been quite awhile since I've listened to "VALUES"...

While I thought the production values on it were decent and all, it actually is slow at times...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 5:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anybody Listened Yet? (POWER records)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- ...That some of us never had a chance to own. I remember seeing those
> half page adverts for them in most of the imported American comics I
> used to waste my pocket money on every month and wishing there were some
> way I could afford to send away for them... sigh...
>
> Neil
>
>
Just for you Neil ...

http://i178. photobucket. com/albums/ w252/hill1965200 0/movies. jpg

Best, Graham.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 8:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape CD

-- Yeah nice artwork for the covers but really what an outrageous price! Just because someone with a good printer produces some nice covers and bootlegs a copy of the soundtrack etc. some idiots are prepared to spend that much money on the thing?! Quite insane in my opinion.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 12:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Escape CD

Speaking of POTA audio. Has anyone noticed this on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay. com/ESCAPE- FROM-PLANET- OF-APES-Jerry-
GoldsmithSOUNDTRACK _W0QQitemZ110098 295867QQcategory Z307QQrdZ1QQcmdZ View
Item

Looks like someone created their own version of an Escape score CD.
Must admit I like the cover art.

 

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:02:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Taylor's voice makes me want to
punch babies in the face.

 

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:02:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Well, I finally had a chance to give a listen to the new audio
version of Apes. You know, everyone had said such bad things about
it, I was waiting to hate it..... and I do. :(

 

LOL!!!

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:09:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Well, I certainly took enough knocks regarding my own
POTA scenario (the "Mothership Theory" et al.),

 

And I provided more than a couple of them.  I myself

took quite a few jabs for the "Before The POTA" comic,

even though only a few panels of it were ilustrated and

released.  I myself was not entirely happy with it.  And

judging from Neil's lack of interest he felt the same.  I

had hoped that someone else would have picked up

the ball and rewritten a draft or two, but that hasn't

happened.  And given Neil's decision to go with a

minimalist style to speed it up, it's just as well.

I do hope that criticism doesn't discourage

others from stepping up.  I applaud the

effort over at Broken Sea, but if the

voice actor for the main character

in your audio play makes people

cringe, you need to recast him.

 

 

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:21:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I'm not a huge fan of the novel and I'm very thankful for the changes
Arthur P. Jacobs, Rod Serling, & Michael Wilson, Etc. made to it but
this audio version seems to capture the novel nicely.

 

Is the BBC Radio Play available online?

 

 

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In a message dated 3/8/2007 1:07:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

mean you can say "it's not for me" without saying "I'd rather place my balls in a blender and switch it on".

 

 

Edward Garlick: From a Marine in Da Nang: "Captain Hauk sucks the sweat off of a dead man's balls." I have no idea what that means, sir, but it seems very negative to me.

 

 

 

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