VEry cool...Thanks NEil!!
Tim
--- Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> I've just uploaded a few more John Bolton pictures
> from the UK annuals.
> These were easy ones, mostly just needing the
> removal of text. Still
> more to come later!
>
> Neil
>
>

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mwhitty
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:20 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] More John Bolton art.

These look superb Neil.

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Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 8:54 AM
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Subject: [PotaDG] More John Bolton art.

I've just uploaded a few more John Bolton pictures from the UK annuals. These were easy ones, mostly just needing the removal of text. Still more to come later!

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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:38 PM
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Hey Neil…

Where did this one come from?

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I have this picture too, saved under the name 'visiware' so I guess
it must have been something to do with the video game. I remember at
the time it reminded me of an old Exploited album cover:

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/2793999/a/Troops+Of+Tomo
rrow.htm

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Not sure. I know I found it a couple of years ago when I did a
Google
> picture search for Planet of the Apes. If I remember correctly it
was a
> painting for some video game cover or something like that I think.
> It's not strictly 'Planet' but it's got apes with guns and that
good old
> 'Apes orange sky' so I thought it would be cool to use it.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of mwhitty
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:38 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Home Page Pictuer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Neil.
>
>
>
>
>
> Where did this one come from?
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=44928/stime=1181979573/nc1=4543832/nc2=3858794/nc3=3848618>
>

I have added some screen shots from 'Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back's
Apes sequence:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Jay%20%26%20Silent%
20Bob%20Strike%20Back/

Though they shouldn't be using chimp actors, they're obviously fans and
the attention to detail is pretty good. Notice the Planet of the Apes
poster in the window of the video store.

And also that cheesey 'humanoid' song from Return to the Planet of the
Apes is in the 'Files' folder.

Hey, Mike,

Unfortunately, I didn't type-and-save the text in an MSWord file
first and THEN do a cut-and-paste over to that APES FLICKS group's
message board... so I don't have the actual text of what I'd posted
there! Had I known the group would just go WHOOSH and disappear, I
would've at least done a cut-and-paste of the text onto a file that I
could keep on my harddrive.

As I recall, though, the main gist of the posts in question have to
do with the Mendez Dynasty and how I imagine the telepathic stuff all
played out.

As everybody here undoubtedly knows, the dude in BENEATH is named
Mendez XXVI -- implying that he's the last of 26 guys to share the
name "Mendez". But does that mean that there were other Mutant
Leaders who had some name other than "Mendez"...? If we figure that
there's roughly 2,000 years to cover, then 26 generations would each
be (on average) around 75-to-80 years' time!

In my scenario, the guy in BATTLE is Mendez I (i.e. Mendez the
First), and BEFORE the events of that movie he had already become
a "master telepath" -- either having been born that way, or (maybe)
having been transformed into it.

As a telepath, he can't help but sense the thoughts of others around
him. And, there are some people whose thoughts are, to him, rather
repugnant. Hateful thoughts "smell" bad, in a way, to him. For years
(after the 2006 nuclear war), Mendez pondered what he might do to
improve the "mental hygiene" of the community of survivors in the
city Breck once governed -- which, of course, is now governed by
Kolp... one of those whose 'hateful' thoughts smell especially
obnoxious to Mendez.

When Caesar and his fellow travelers show up in 2018, seeking out the
Archives, Mendez goes out of his way to vocally advise Kolp to let
the trio leave the city in peace. But Kolp -- ever the mistrustful
ape-hater that he is -- becomes single-minded: he believes that the
trio came to the city in order to exterminate those whom the Bomb
hadn't already killed. Like our current president, Kolp wants to go
on the offensive, to wage a pre-emptive strike that will exterminate
THEM before THEY can exterminate the radiation-scarred people of the
city.

Mendez VOCALLY expresses dismay at this... but deep down he WANTS
Kolp to lead all the belligerent types out of the city to go on a
foolish invasion of Caesar's "Ape" city. Because he knows that, deep
down, Kolp -- if he remains in the city -- will eventually go over
the edge and launch the Doomsday Bomb. Kolp has little to live for,
and the sudden appearance of Caesar's recon party gives him the ONE
purpose he'd lacked all those boring years. It breathes new life into
him, the idea of conquering Caesar's city, so that Man can regain the
upper hand by re-enslaving the apes. And... if that plan-of-attack
should fail... there's the Bomb. Kolp's own death-wish is something
he's likely to expand to include everybody else -- like those
psychopathic school-shooters who killed as many of their fellow
students as they could at Columbine and then committed suicide just
prior to being subdued.

Mendez knows that as long as Kolp is alive, the danger of him setting
off the Doomsday Bomb -- to put himself and the rest of the world out
of misery -- won't go away.

So... Mendez telepathically nudges Kolp along the path of Invasion
whilst vocally pretending he's against it.

But Alma represents a problem. She's entirely devoted to Kolp, and
she's more than willing to carry out her last orders: to fire off the
Doomsday Bomb when she gets Kolp's signal -- even though she doesn't
know that it would kill not only the Apes in Ape City, but every
living thing on the planet.

So, Mendez keeps an eye on Alma the whole time Kolp and his army are
gone... so that when Alma receives the 'signal' he can step in and
steer things the way he wants it to go.

Thus, at the low-point of Alma's life (and the lives of all the other
losers in that dead city), when she's almost eager to fire off the
Bomb... Mendez uses his words AND his telepathic abilities to seduce
her and the others into worshipping the Bomb, to revere it as a
sacred thing similar to the one that was able to flatten the once-
great city they live in.

Mendez doesn't worship the Bomb -- and doesn't INTEND to, either. He
merely wants to keep Alma from blowing up the world. He intends to be
the one truly "sane" person in the midst of a population of people
devoted to Peace -- people who've lost their last battle and seen how
their defeat has brought them to their nadir. He wants to build them
up again, but by fostering mental states that aren't obnoxious to
him. After all, as a telepath he has to endure their thoughts... and
he never felt better in his younger years than when he was amongst
people earnestly seeking communion with God, in church.

Eventually, he decides to find out just what it was in the Archives
section that Caesar had wanted to see... so he goes there and rewinds
the tape and hits the "play" button.

And he, too, becomes aware of the information that had been Top
Secret from all but the higher-ups in Government: that Apes not only
came to dominate Man in the far future, but that the Ape-onauts had
seen from the windows of the spaceship the DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD.

The clues contained in that tape point to an invasion in the
year "3950" of a territory near to where the Ape-onauts lived. Seeing
that Cornelius and Zira wore clothing matching the style of clothes
Caesar wore on his excursion to the Archives, Mendez makes a sensible
mistake: he ASSUMES that Caesar's "Ape City" is located in the same
region where Cornelius and Zira will one day be born. He believes
that the Doomsday Bomb that currently is propped up in the old APE
MANAGEMENT facility will be detonated exactly where it is when the
gorilla army invades, some 1,932 years in the Future.

Mind you, in my scenario Breck's city is located at the site of the
current SAN SIMEON, about halfway between San Francisco and Los
Angeles, encompassing the town of Cambria and environs.

Mendez, then, wants to prevent that future invasion -- and Bomb
detonation -- from ever happening... from ever being able to happen.
He believes that if he can get the Bomb moved as far away as
possible, then the Ape community will never be able to invade, and
the Bomb will never be detonated.

So, he resolves to lead the remaining people from "San Simeon" back
into the subterranean tunnels from where the Bomb had come. Prior to
the Nuke War, or just soon after, the Bomb had been in one of the
stretches of tunnel in-between military bases, and eventually the
Bomb was brought as far westward as those tunnels went: to Breck's
coastal arcopolis.

Those military tunnels snake all the way from the West coast to the
East coast, with side branches leading to every major military base
AND to most of the major cities -- all as part of a plan to save
the "best" people in the event of a nuclear war: certain privileged
people would have about a half-hour's warning at best to get to a
reliable shelter, and only THEY know where the truly reliable
shelters are -- in the bunkers delved so deep below the surface that
no exploding nukes can ever harm them, many hundreds of yards below
the ground. People with the right "connections" would be allowed into
the secret entrances of those bunkers.

Mendez knows that there might well be many survivors living in other
sublevel bunkers between Breck's city and the furthest east locations
(i.e. Washington D.C., Baltimore, New York, etc), but he has the
telepathic ability to deal with them, come what may.

So, over the course of the next half-year (after the events of
BATTLE) Mendez leads the rag-tag survivors through those tunnels
across the country, delved during the Cold War unbeknownst to the
vast majority of U.S. citizens. They get to Washington D.C.'s lowest-
level bunkers and encounter the last survivors of the Federal
Government.

One of my posts to the APES FLICKS group concerned the Masks worn
(later) by the Mutants. I speculated that the Scientist group (from
the "LEGACY" episode) invented a material called "synthederm" --
artificial skin -- for use in Outer Space to protect astronauts from
extra-atmospheric radiation AND for use in places where background
radiation is higher than the "safe" amount (i.e. in a nuked site
polluted by fallout). The Scientists had invented not only synthederm
but also specialized garments intended to protect the body from
radiation exposure -- those long robes (etc) that Virdon and Burke
saw that holographic Scientist wearing. THIS is the connection
between those Scientists who buried the Vaults throughout the world
prior to the Nuke War and the Mutants from BENEATH who had inherited
the safety-garments (etc) and who wore them especially when in the
presence of the Doomsday Bomb.

Eventually, Mendez gets his people -- with their "god" Bomb -- all
the way to the subterranean ruins of New York City, thinking that
there's no way that Caesar's people will ever be able to follow (on
the surface) so far so as to colonize the territory near the surface
desert. Mendez thinks his actions have effectively prevented that
future detonation from ever taking place... not realizing that by
moving the Bomb from California to St. Patrick's Cathedral he's
actually acted to FULFILL the doom awaiting the world.

Mendez is a telepath... he wants to maintain his own existence as
long as possible -- in part, to see the world survive well past the
date Zira mentioned in that Archives tape: "3950".

But how? How can he live longer than an ordinary human lifespan?

As a telepath, he can "get inside a person's head" -- like
the 'Negro' mutant when he takes possession of Brent and tries to
drown Nova in that fountain. But he can't remain inside another
person's brain too long; the personality he attempts to supplant can
exert a force to "reject" his intrusive Mind. ["Get OUT... GET OUT OF
MY HEAD!!!"]

But a baby doesn't have a personality. Especially when that baby
hasn't been born yet.

Alma, just before Kolp left with his army to attack Caesar's city,
had been "intimate" with Kolp... and during the long journey to New
York City she'd been pregnant, Kolp's biological son gestating in her
womb.

Mendez wants to live longer than nature designed the human body to
live, to perpetuate his own Mind beyond his 'allotted' lifespan.

So he hijacks Alma's baby's brain, imposing his own Mind, his own
Personality onto it. Mendez goes into a coma -- that is, his older
body does -- while his Mind is copied (telepathically xeroxed) onto
the brain of the fetus developing in Alma's uterus.

Alma, being physically connected to her preborn son AND subliminally
telepathically connected, achieves a kind of mental union with her
baby... and 'infects' the Mind of Mendez (Mendez II, Mendez the
Second) with the insanity he'd nudged her to adopt: the Worship of
the Doomsday Bomb.

Mendez hadn't intended for HIMSELF to believe that the Bomb was
a "divine" thing, a "god"... but he ends up being compelled to share
Alma's religious fervor, due to the maternal connection she shares
with her developing baby.

Thus, Mendez II himself is born as a "true believer" -- he's a mental
carbon-copy of his former self. He had intended to "copy" his Mind
perfectly onto the brain of the unborn baby... but the copy was not a
bit-by-bit exact digital copy. Most of his memories transfer over,
but some memories are mis-remembered, imperfectly copied onto the new
storage medium. As "Mendez II" he would compose the Hymn we hear
during the Mass of the Bomb, played by the organist and sung by the
masked adults as Brent and Nova watch...

And... from that point on (i.e. from 2019 until 3955) Mendez will
live out a 'full' life, averaging about 77 years per "incarnation"...
then telepathically "reincarnating" again and again through the
course of those 1,936 years... making psychic "jumps" through 25
other bodies, hijacking the brains of 25 preborn babies in
succession, once every 77 years or so, on average. And each new
lifespan will be an imperfect telepathic "copy" of the previous one,
so that by the time he becomes Mendez XXVI, he barely remembers any
of his first 'life' as Mendez I (or, as plain "Mendez").

One important aspect to this scenario, of course, is that none of the
Fugitives living in 3085 would ever have an "encounter" with the
telepathic mutants, since their adventures are in the California
region -- and the Mutants had long since traveled to the East Coast.
The most Virdon & Co. would ever find is the remnants of their
abandoned home in the subterranean ruins of San Simeon -- if, that
is, they ever do find that place. The only way they could ever
encounter "Mendez XIV" (the 'copy' of Mendez living in 3085) is if
they were to travel all the way across the country.

But I'm not gonna have that happen in my plotline; one reason being
that the MEMORY of such an encounter would probably remain in the
mind of Mendez XIV... so that it could be (imperfectly) re-remembered
870 years later, in 3955, when other ANSA astronauts eventually find
their way through the tunnels of New York City and in their clutches.

There's a lot more to my Mendez-dynasty stuff, but I've typed enough
here to keep you all busy for a while! So, I'll sign off for now.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 06-16-2007

These are cool! Thanks!

--- nlmoxham <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

> I have added some screen shots from 'Jay & Silent
> Bob Strike Back's
> Apes sequence:
>
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Jay%20%26%20Silent%

> 20Bob%20Strike%20Back/
>
> Though they shouldn't be using chimp actors, they're
> obviously fans and
> the attention to detail is pretty good. Notice the
> Planet of the Apes
> poster in the window of the video store.
>
> And also that cheesey 'humanoid' song from Return to
> the Planet of the
> Apes is in the 'Files' folder.
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back

I have added some screen shots from 'Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back's
Apes sequence:

http://movies. groups.yahoo. com/group/ PotaDG/files/ Jay%20%26% 20Silent%
20Bob%20Strike% 20Back/

Though they shouldn't be using chimp actors, they're obviously fans and
the attention to detail is pretty good. Notice the Planet of the Apes
poster in the window of the video store.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group

Unfortunately, I didn't type-and-save the text in an MSWord file
first and THEN do a cut-and-paste over to that APES FLICKS group's
message board... so I don't have the actual text of what I'd posted
there! Had I known the group would just go WHOOSH and disappear, I
would've at least done a cut-and-paste of the text onto a file that I
could keep on my harddrive.

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Bravo!!!

Thanks for another great post. No one fills in the missing gaps of Apes history like Patrick.

I had never heard of this APES FLICKS group before (interesting how FLICKS looks like another word when you type it in caps, oh well...).

 

If anyone has some saved posts from that group that are of interest, I would love to see them.

best regards,

Bill

 

*********************************************

 

In a message dated 6/16/2007 1:31:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Hey, Mike,

Unfortunately, I didn't type-and-save the text in an MSWord file
first and THEN do a cut-and-paste over to that APES FLICKS group's
message board... so I don't have the actual text of what I'd posted
there! Had I known the group would just go WHOOSH and disappear, I
would've at least done a cut-and-paste of the text onto a file that I
could keep on my harddrive.

As I recall, though, the main gist of the posts in question have to
do with the Mendez Dynasty and how I imagine the telepathic stuff all
played out.

As everybody here undoubtedly knows, the dude in BENEATH is named
Mendez XXVI -- implying that he's the last of 26 guys to share the
name "Mendez". But does that mean that there were other Mutant
Leaders who had some name other than "Mendez"...? If we figure that
there's roughly 2,000 years to cover, then 26 generations would each
be (on average) around 75-to-80 years' time!

In my scenario, the guy in BATTLE is Mendez I (i.e. Mendez the
First), and BEFORE the events of that movie he had already become
a "master telepath" -- either having been born that way, or (maybe)
having been transformed into it.

As a telepath, he can't help but sense the thoughts of others around
him. And, there are some people whose thoughts are, to him, rather
repugnant. Hateful thoughts "smell" bad, in a way, to him. For years
(after the 2006 nuclear war), Mendez pondered what he might do to
improve the "mental hygiene" of the community of survivors in the
city Breck once governed -- which, of course, is now governed by
Kolp... one of those whose 'hateful' thoughts smell especially
obnoxious to Mendez.

When Caesar and his fellow travelers show up in 2018, seeking out the
Archives, Mendez goes out of his way to vocally advise Kolp to let
the trio leave the city in peace. But Kolp -- ever the mistrustful
ape-hater that he is -- becomes single-minded: he believes that the
trio came to the city in order to exterminate those whom the Bomb
hadn't already killed. Like our current president, Kolp wants to go
on the offensive, to wage a pre-emptive strike that will exterminate
THEM before THEY can exterminate the radiation-scarred people of the
city.

Mendez VOCALLY expresses dismay at this... but deep down he WANTS
Kolp to lead all the belligerent types out of the city to go on a
foolish invasion of Caesar's "Ape" city. Because he knows that, deep
down, Kolp -- if he remains in the city -- will eventually go over
the edge and launch the Doomsday Bomb. Kolp has little to live for,
and the sudden appearance of Caesar's recon party gives him the ONE
purpose he'd lacked all those boring years. It breathes new life into
him, the idea of conquering Caesar's city, so that Man can regain the
upper hand by re-enslaving the apes. And... if that plan-of-attack
should fail... there's the Bomb. Kolp's own death-wish is something
he's likely to expand to include everybody else -- like those
psychopathic school-shooters who killed as many of their fellow
students as they could at Columbine and then committed suicide just
prior to being subdued.

Mendez knows that as long as Kolp is alive, the danger of him setting
off the Doomsday Bomb -- to put himself and the rest of the world out
of misery -- won't go away.

So... Mendez telepathically nudges Kolp along the path of Invasion
whilst vocally pretending he's against it.

But Alma represents a problem. She's entirely devoted to Kolp, and
she's more than willing to carry out her last orders: to fire off the
Doomsday Bomb when she gets Kolp's signal -- even though she doesn't
know that it would kill not only the Apes in Ape City, but every
living thing on the planet.

So, Mendez keeps an eye on Alma the whole time Kolp and his army are
gone... so that when Alma receives the 'signal' he can step in and
steer things the way he wants it to go.

Thus, at the low-point of Alma's life (and the lives of all the other
losers in that dead city), when she's almost eager to fire off the
Bomb... Mendez uses his words AND his telepathic abilities to seduce
her and the others into worshipping the Bomb, to revere it as a
sacred thing similar to the one that was able to flatten the once-
great city they live in.

Mendez doesn't worship the Bomb -- and doesn't INTEND to, either. He
merely wants to keep Alma from blowing up the world. He intends to be
the one truly "sane" person in the midst of a population of people
devoted to Peace -- people who've lost their last battle and seen how
their defeat has brought them to their nadir. He wants to build them
up again, but by fostering mental states that aren't obnoxious to
him. After all, as a telepath he has to endure their thoughts... and
he never felt better in his younger years than when he was amongst
people earnestly seeking communion with God, in church.

Eventually, he decides to find out just what it was in the Archives
section that Caesar had wanted to see... so he goes there and rewinds
the tape and hits the "play" button.

And he, too, becomes aware of the information that had been Top
Secret from all but the higher-ups in Government: that Apes not only
came to dominate Man in the far future, but that the Ape-onauts had
seen from the windows of the spaceship the DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD.

The clues contained in that tape point to an invasion in the
year "3950" of a territory near to where the Ape-onauts lived. Seeing
that Cornelius and Zira wore clothing matching the style of clothes
Caesar wore on his excursion to the Archives, Mendez makes a sensible
mistake: he ASSUMES that Caesar's "Ape City" is located in the same
region where Cornelius and Zira will one day be born. He believes
that the Doomsday Bomb that currently is propped up in the old APE
MANAGEMENT facility will be detonated exactly where it is when the
gorilla army invades, some 1,932 years in the Future.

Mind you, in my scenario Breck's city is located at the site of the
current SAN SIMEON, about halfway between San Francisco and Los
Angeles, encompassing the town of Cambria and environs.

Mendez, then, wants to prevent that future invasion -- and Bomb
detonation -- from ever happening... from ever being able to happen.
He believes that if he can get the Bomb moved as far away as
possible, then the Ape community will never be able to invade, and
the Bomb will never be detonated.

So, he resolves to lead the remaining people from "San Simeon" back
into the subterranean tunnels from where the Bomb had come. Prior to
the Nuke War, or just soon after, the Bomb had been in one of the
stretches of tunnel in-between military bases, and eventually the
Bomb was brought as far westward as those tunnels went: to Breck's
coastal arcopolis.

Those military tunnels snake all the way from the West coast to the
East coast, with side branches leading to every major military base
AND to most of the major cities -- all as part of a plan to save
the "best" people in the event of a nuclear war: certain privileged
people would have about a half-hour's warning at best to get to a
reliable shelter, and only THEY know where the truly reliable
shelters are -- in the bunkers delved so deep below the surface that
no exploding nukes can ever harm them, many hundreds of yards below
the ground. People with the right "connections" would be allowed into
the secret entrances of those bunkers.

Mendez knows that there might well be many survivors living in other
sublevel bunkers between Breck's city and the furthest east locations
(i.e. Washington D.C., Baltimore, New York, etc), but he has the
telepathic ability to deal with them, come what may.

So, over the course of the next half-year (after the events of
BATTLE) Mendez leads the rag-tag survivors through those tunnels
across the country, delved during the Cold War unbeknownst to the
vast majority of U.S. citizens. They get to Washington D.C.'s lowest-
level bunkers and encounter the last survivors of the Federal
Government.

One of my posts to the APES FLICKS group concerned the Masks worn
(later) by the Mutants. I speculated that the Scientist group (from
the "LEGACY" episode) invented a material called "synthederm" --
artificial skin -- for use in Outer Space to protect astronauts from
extra-atmospheric radiation AND for use in places where background
radiation is higher than the "safe" amount (i.e. in a nuked site
polluted by fallout). The Scientists had invented not only synthederm
but also specialized garments intended to protect the body from
radiation exposure -- those long robes (etc) that Virdon and Burke
saw that holographic Scientist wearing. THIS is the connection
between those Scientists who buried the Vaults throughout the world
prior to the Nuke War and the Mutants from BENEATH who had inherited
the safety-garments (etc) and who wore them especially when in the
presence of the Doomsday Bomb.

Eventually, Mendez gets his people -- with their "god" Bomb -- all
the way to the subterranean ruins of New York City, thinking that
there's no way that Caesar's people will ever be able to follow (on
the surface) so far so as to colonize the territory near the surface
desert. Mendez thinks his actions have effectively prevented that
future detonation from ever taking place... not realizing that by
moving the Bomb from California to St. Patrick's Cathedral he's
actually acted to FULFILL the doom awaiting the world.

Mendez is a telepath... he wants to maintain his own existence as
long as possible -- in part, to see the world survive well past the
date Zira mentioned in that Archives tape: "3950".

But how? How can he live longer than an ordinary human lifespan?

As a telepath, he can "get inside a person's head" -- like
the 'Negro' mutant when he takes possession of Brent and tries to
drown Nova in that fountain. But he can't remain inside another
person's brain too long; the personality he attempts to supplant can
exert a force to "reject" his intrusive Mind. ["Get OUT... GET OUT OF
MY HEAD!!!"]

But a baby doesn't have a personality. Especially when that baby
hasn't been born yet.

Alma, just before Kolp left with his army to attack Caesar's city,
had been "intimate" with Kolp... and during the long journey to New
York City she'd been pregnant, Kolp's biological son gestating in her
womb.

Mendez wants to live longer than nature designed the human body to
live, to perpetuate his own Mind beyond his 'allotted' lifespan.

So he hijacks Alma's baby's brain, imposing his own Mind, his own
Personality onto it. Mendez goes into a coma -- that is, his older
body does -- while his Mind is copied (telepathically xeroxed) onto
the brain of the fetus developing in Alma's uterus.

Alma, being physically connected to her preborn son AND subliminally
telepathically connected, achieves a kind of mental union with her
baby... and 'infects' the Mind of Mendez (Mendez II, Mendez the
Second) with the insanity he'd nudged her to adopt: the Worship of
the Doomsday Bomb.

Mendez hadn't intended for HIMSELF to believe that the Bomb was
a "divine" thing, a "god"... but he ends up being compelled to share
Alma's religious fervor, due to the maternal connection she shares
with her developing baby.

Thus, Mendez II himself is born as a "true believer" -- he's a mental
carbon-copy of his former self. He had intended to "copy" his Mind
perfectly onto the brain of the unborn baby... but the copy was not a
bit-by-bit exact digital copy. Most of his memories transfer over,
but some memories are mis-remembered, imperfectly copied onto the new
storage medium. As "Mendez II" he would compose the Hymn we hear
during the Mass of the Bomb, played by the organist and sung by the
masked adults as Brent and Nova watch...

And... from that point on (i.e. from 2019 until 3955) Mendez will
live out a 'full' life, averaging about 77 years per "incarnation" ...
then telepathically "reincarnating" again and again through the
course of those 1,936 years... making psychic "jumps" through 25
other bodies, hijacking the brains of 25 preborn babies in
succession, once every 77 years or so, on average. And each new
lifespan will be an imperfect telepathic "copy" of the previous one,
so that by the time he becomes Mendez XXVI, he barely remembers any
of his first 'life' as Mendez I (or, as plain "Mendez").

One important aspect to this scenario, of course, is that none of the
Fugitives living in 3085 would ever have an "encounter" with the
telepathic mutants, since their adventures are in the California
region -- and the Mutants had long since traveled to the East Coast.
The most Virdon & Co. would ever find is the remnants of their
abandoned home in the subterranean ruins of San Simeon -- if, that
is, they ever do find that place. The only way they could ever
encounter "Mendez XIV" (the 'copy' of Mendez living in 3085) is if
they were to travel all the way across the country.

But I'm not gonna have that happen in my plotline; one reason being
that the MEMORY of such an encounter would probably remain in the
mind of Mendez XIV... so that it could be (imperfectly) re-remembered
870 years later, in 3955, when other ANSA astronauts eventually find
their way through the tunnels of New York City and in their clutches.

There's a lot more to my Mendez-dynasty stuff, but I've typed enough
here to keep you all busy for a while! So, I'll sign off for now.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 06-16-2007
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "mwhitty" <mwhitty@... > wrote:
Thanks Patrick.
I'd love to read what you posted on that group if you would be so
kind as to share?

Michael
============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =======
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilto n

In answer to Mike's question ["Patrick... where are you, dude?"],
well, I've been working on my POTA epic and, fairly recently, had
posted some stuff regarding my POTA scenario on that very APES FLICKS
group in response to questions regarding the Mendez dynasty, Zaius,
etc.

If the owner of that now-defunct group is a member of this group,
it'd be nice to hear an explanation as to why it just disappeared
into thin air, like Taylor and those 11 gorilla Scouts...

Patrick

 

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No, roughly a minute. You can see the whole sequence on Youtube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMMYfvgq9m8

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Thanks once again Neil, these are great. As someone who hasn't
> actually seen this movie these are so cool! Does this sequence go
for
> very long in the movie?
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of nlmoxham
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:14 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
>
>
>
> I have added some screen shots from 'Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back's
> Apes sequence:
>
> http://movies.
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Jay%20%26%
20Silent%>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Jay%20%26%20Silent%
> 20Bob%20Strike%20Back/
>
> Though they shouldn't be using chimp actors, they're obviously fans
and
> the attention to detail is pretty good. Notice the Planet of the
Apes
> poster in the window of the video store.
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
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> sgId=44932/stime=1182010479/nc1=4543832/nc2=3858795/nc3=3848618>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back

No, roughly a minute. You can see the whole sequence on Youtube here:

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=CMMYfvgq9m8

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mwhitty
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:25 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back

Neil, I have a copy here I’ll show you next time you come round.

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Neil

I am still here.

I have no idea what happened to Ape_Flicks or the rest of Scott's groups. I
am as surprised and shocked as the rest of you when Ape_Flicks disappeared
or deleted. I questioned about that offline. This is a mystery to me.

Donna

>From: "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...>
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:27:32 +1000
>
>-- Donna, are you still a member here? As you were a moderator on the
>Apes Flicks group do you have any idea what happened to it? Or the rest
>of Scott's groups for that matter? It's a big shame that the group has
>gone, it was just starting to pick up and there were some interesting
>threads happening!
>
>Also there was another Apes group that was uploading and collecting all
>of the Apes comics that suddenly went quiet and I was wondering does
>anyone know if that one is still around?
>
>Neil
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
>Of patrickmichaeltilton
>Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:23 AM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group
>
>
>
>Unfortunately, I didn't type-and-save the text in an MSWord file
>first and THEN do a cut-and-paste over to that APES FLICKS group's
>message board... so I don't have the actual text of what I'd posted
>there! Had I known the group would just go WHOOSH and disappear, I
>would've at least done a cut-and-paste of the text onto a file that I
>could keep on my harddrive.
>
>.
>
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Interesting....are these Aussie versions cause they
are identical to US issue?....funny how one says
"still" only 25 cents only to be outdone by the next
one!


--- Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> Tim in case you are interested I've found copies of
> the Marvel
> Adventures on the POTA covers with the different
> prices that I mentioned
> the other day. It was issue 5:
>
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:23 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Adventures on the POTA variant cover.

Interesting. ...are these Aussie versions cause they
are identical to US issue?....funny how one says
"still" only 25 cents only to be outdone by the next
one!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DONNA SPIRES
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group

Neil

I am still here.

I have no idea what happened to Ape_Flicks or the rest of Scott's groups. I
am as surprised and shocked as the rest of you when Ape_Flicks disappeared
or deleted. I questioned about that offline. This is a mystery to me.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Another new one to me!

I have a sealed copy of this album which I've (naturally) never listened to. It says the music is by the Wonderland Orchestra  and Singers, but the back of the cover shows the common Star Trek/Planet of the Apes album with Apes' Shuffle by the Jeff Wayne Space Shuttle. Both were produced by Ralph Stein, so it's a safe bet they're the same recording.

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In a message dated 6/16/2007 7:44:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

I remember at
the time it reminded me of an old Exploited album cover:

 

Exploited!

Barmy Army!

 

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In a message dated 6/16/2007 7:08:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, atragon1@... writes:

Thanks for another great post. No one fills in the missing gaps of Apes history like Patrick.

 

Yeah, but can anyone who actually read the entire post

tell me if this is "real" Apes history, or from the mind of Patrick?

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Nope they aren't Aussie versions. The Adventures on the POTA line was
> never released in Australia or England for that matter. The price change
> thing happened across all of Marvel's regular monthly titles at the time
> as far as I know.
>
> Neil
>
>
Yeah, Marvel would do a "test"  price increase quite regularly in the 70's, a small percentage of a run or title would have a 30 cents price tag rather than 25 cents say and have distribution to only a small area so they could see if the increase  effected sales.

There's a price variant on  Marvel's StarWars #1, 35 cents instead of 30 , which there's estimated to have been  about 1500 printed.

Back to Adventure, I'm  fairly certain there were 3 price variants #5, 6  and 7.

Best, Graham.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Adventures on the POTA variant cover.

Interesting. ...are these Aussie versions cause they
are identical to US issue?....funny how one says
"still" only 25 cents only to be outdone by the next
one!

--- Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

> Tim in case you are interested I've found copies of
> the Marvel
> Adventures on the POTA covers with the different
> prices that I mentioned
> the other day. It was issue 5:
>
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>

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I just got the cool book "Comics Gone Ape!" at a comic
con this weekend...the whole last chapter is all about
POTA!

--- mwhitty <mwhitty@...> wrote:

> It's amazing how much has come out about the comics
> in the past week or so!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Neil Foster
> Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 10:59 AM
> To: PotaDG
> Subject: [PotaDG] Adventures on the POTA variant
> cover.
>
>
>
> Tim in case you are interested I've found copies of
> the Marvel Adventures on
> the POTA covers with the different prices that I
> mentioned the other day. It
> was issue 5:
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>

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I will let you know if I get information.

Michael

When did you try to join? I thought you were already a member. I saw your
name on the members list. If you were not a member, you would be accepted
as one.

Donna

>From: "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...>
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:21:12 +1000
>
>Thanks Donna - let us know if you hear anything..
>
>
>
>I didn't realise you were a moderator on that group..any idea why I was
>never permitted to join the group?
>
>
>
>Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
>DONNA SPIRES
>Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 12:15 PM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group
>
>
>
>Neil
>
>I am still here.
>
>I have no idea what happened to Ape_Flicks or the rest of Scott's groups. I
>am as surprised and shocked as the rest of you when Ape_Flicks disappeared
>or deleted. I questioned about that offline. This is a mystery to me.
>
>Donna
>

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This just came out from TwoMorrows, so they'd probably object to it
being scanned and put online.

You can order it here: http://twomorrows.com/index.php?
main_page=product_info&products_id=522

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Stop typing and start scanning!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 10:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Adventures on the POTA variant cover.
>
>
>
> I just got the cool book "Comics Gone Ape!" at a comic
> con this weekend...the whole last chapter is all about
> POTA!
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mwhitty
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:14 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Return publicity shots

It seems to be a completely different style to the top one.  A different artist you think?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gp3085
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Adventures on the POTA variant cover.

This just came out from TwoMorrows, so they'd probably object to it
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Adventures on the POTA variant cover.

Yeah, Marvel would do a "test"  price increase quite regularly in the 70's, a small percentage of a run or title would have a 30 cents price tag rather than 25 cents say and have distribution to only a small area so they could see if the increase  effected sales.

There's a price variant on  Marvel's StarWars #1, 35 cents instead of 30 , which there's estimated to have been  about 1500 printed.

Back to Adventure, I'm  fairly certain there were 3 price variants #5, 6  and 7.

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I was going to say that! I actually met the author and
he was extremely nice....!!

--- gp3085 <urko3085@...> wrote:

> This just came out from TwoMorrows, so they'd
> probably object to it
> being scanned and put online.
>
> You can order it here:
> http://twomorrows.com/index.php?
> main_page=product_info&products_id=522
>
> Greg
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mwhitty"
> <mwhitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > Stop typing and start scanning!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Tim "apefan"
> > Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 10:36 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Adventures on the POTA
> variant cover.
> >
> >
> >
> > I just got the cool book "Comics Gone Ape!" at a
> comic
> > con this weekend...the whole last chapter is all
> about
> > POTA!
> >
>
>
>

Yeah - Punks Not Dead!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/16/2007 7:44:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> neilmoxham@... writes:
>
> I remember at
> the time it reminded me of an old Exploited album cover:
>
> Exploited!
> Barmy Army!
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com
>

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Yeah, but can anyone who actually read the entire post
tell me if this is "real" Apes history, or from the mind of Patrick?

*** Unless it is from someone "authorized" by FOX to create an APES story or film, it's ALL made up speculation and therefore not canon... Even "authorized" by FOX stories like REVOLUTION are very hard to swallow...


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Michael

I am looking forward to this story (as well as the other stories).

I am curious on how Galen a chimpanzee, despite being in great if not better
shape from being on the run for years with Virdon and Burke getting lots of
exercise and on a meager, healthier diet, smaller and weaker than Urko a big
strong gorilla murder him when Aboro and Dako from THE TYRANT could not.
How would Galen get away with it? Would Urko be suspicious and cautious of
Galen and keep close eye on him? There is a saying, "Keep your friends
close, but your enemies closer". How did Galen get Urko's position if Urko
had sons, brothers, male cousins or close friends he would want to take
over? Is all this going to be explained in the Going Home saga?

Donna

>From: "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...>
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Your trilogy
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:01:28 +1000
>
>The next issue was to begin 20 years on in a battle scene where "Urko"
>commands his troops.
>
>
>
>It is revealed within the first few pages that "Urko" is actually a
>chimpanzee. It soon becomes obvious that chimp is a bitter old Galen,
>turned against humans after the death of his mother and the slaying of his
>close friend Pete Burke.
>
>
>
>Galen has been leading a devastating army of apes trained to kill all
>humans.
>
>
>
>Galen got his position by murdering Urko.
>
>
>
>Neil has some very nice shots of "bad ass Galen" he might share.Neil?
>
>
>
>Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Alan has been located by his son and another
>2
>astros who were sent on the same mission as Pete, Alan and Jonesy. Alan
>has
>been told his friends are dead and only discovers Galen is alive at the
>conclusion of the story where Othello meets Romeo and Juliet in a tragic
>and
>dramatic (and downer) conclusion.
>
>
>
>My own story that I re-shaped had the 3 fugitives going to Texas to find
>technology and discover Alan's son & 2 new astros (who then become the new
>POTA Human Main Characters). Makes more sense than Alan disappearing in SF
>then reappearing in Texas!
>
>
>
>Anyway - that's most of it. There's some other cool things I won't mention
>because we are using them for BEGINS.
>
>
>
>Hope you enjoy as they appear.
>
>
>
>Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
>nlmoxham
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 7:38 PM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Your trilogy
>
>
>
>Can you tell us what would have ultimately happened in Going Home?
>
>--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "mwhitty"
><mwhitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > Going Home suffered because it was re-moulded from a story Ballard
>wrote. I
> > tried to save Neil's fantastic future-scapes but when I tried to wrap
>the TV
> > Show story I have wanted to tell around Ballard's settings it came
>unstuck.
> > Great work from Neil though and I think we'd all agree that justifies
>a crap
> > story! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > We discussed Going Home and we are both quite proud of what we came up
> > with..GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES!
> >
>
>
>

Technology tends to level the playing field. Getting rid of Urko
wouldn't be too difficult for a chimp with a rifle. Zaius would
probably even look the other way if Urko became too much of a bother.

I don't think Urko had much say in who succeeded him. Didn't Zaius
threaten to replace him a couple of times in the series?

Ant

On Jun 18, 2007, at 3:14 pm, DONNA SPIRES wrote:

> Michael
>
> I am looking forward to this story (as well as the other stories).
>
> I am curious on how Galen a chimpanzee, despite being in great if
> not better
> shape from being on the run for years with Virdon and Burke getting
> lots of
> exercise and on a meager, healthier diet, smaller and weaker than
> Urko a big
> strong gorilla murder him when Aboro and Dako from THE TYRANT could
> not.
> How would Galen get away with it? Would Urko be suspicious and
> cautious of
> Galen and keep close eye on him? There is a saying, "Keep your
> friends
> close, but your enemies closer". How did Galen get Urko's position
> if Urko
> had sons, brothers, male cousins or close friends he would want to
> take
> over? Is all this going to be explained in the Going Home saga?
>
> Donna
>
>> From: "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...>
>> Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Your trilogy
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:01:28 +1000
>>
>> The next issue was to begin 20 years on in a battle scene where
>> "Urko"
>> commands his troops.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is revealed within the first few pages that "Urko" is actually a
>> chimpanzee. It soon becomes obvious that chimp is a bitter old
>> Galen,
>> turned against humans after the death of his mother and the
>> slaying of his
>> close friend Pete Burke.
>>
>>
>>
>> Galen has been leading a devastating army of apes trained to kill all
>> humans.
>>
>>
>>
>> Galen got his position by murdering Urko.
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil has some very nice shots of "bad ass Galen" he might share.Neil?
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Alan has been located by his son and
>> another
>> 2
>> astros who were sent on the same mission as Pete, Alan and
>> Jonesy. Alan
>> has
>> been told his friends are dead and only discovers Galen is alive
>> at the
>> conclusion of the story where Othello meets Romeo and Juliet in a
>> tragic
>> and
>> dramatic (and downer) conclusion.
>>
>>
>>
>> My own story that I re-shaped had the 3 fugitives going to Texas
>> to find
>> technology and discover Alan's son & 2 new astros (who then become
>> the new
>> POTA Human Main Characters). Makes more sense than Alan
>> disappearing in SF
>> then reappearing in Texas!
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway - that's most of it. There's some other cool things I
>> won't mention
>> because we are using them for BEGINS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope you enjoy as they appear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
>> Behalf Of
>> nlmoxham
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 7:38 PM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Your trilogy
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you tell us what would have ultimately happened in Going Home?
>>
>> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
>> "mwhitty"
>> <mwhitty@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Going Home suffered because it was re-moulded from a story Ballard
>> wrote. I
>>> tried to save Neil's fantastic future-scapes but when I tried to
>>> wrap
>> the TV
>>> Show story I have wanted to tell around Ballard's settings it came
>> unstuck.
>>> Great work from Neil though and I think we'd all agree that
>>> justifies
>> a crap
>>> story! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We discussed Going Home and we are both quite proud of what we
>>> came up
>>> with..GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:56 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] OT: POTA actor jobs

  It sounds like Jackie Earle Haley ("Kraik") is up for the role of Rorschach in the film version of "Watchmen". It's being directed by Zack Snyder ("300")."Watchmen" is considered by many to be, well, the Shakespeare of superhero comics so it's a good break for him. The Oscar nom for "Little Children" is really opening up his career.

  Also in the world of big budget casting, Tim Roth (Thade) will be the villain Abomination in the "Incredible Hulk" movie (a reimagination of the '03 "Hulk" movie with a new cast); and Helena Bonham Carter (Ari) has joined the "Harry Potter" world.

  Finally, I was watching "60 Minutes" last night and they showed a DHL commercial where a precious plate is shipped and arrives in one piece, only to be broke as tradition at a wedding or something. The guy who breaks the plate is Buck Kartalian (Julius in POTA). So you can watch for that.   Jeff

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.html In a message dated 6/18/2007 3:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time, dspires501@... writes:

I am curious on how Galen a chimpanzee, despite being in great if not better
shape from being on the run for years with Virdon and Burke getting lots of
exercise and on a meager, healthier diet, smaller and weaker than Urko a big
strong gorilla murder him when Aboro and Dako from THE TYRANT could not.  

*** As far as Galen being in good shape, I doubt that... I mean yes he may be active he's always moving, but I really doubt they'd have anything remotely close to a "healthy diet"... You have to remember that they are on the run, depending on whatever they can find to sustain them (along with the occasional handout or "work for food" they could get...) Their diet would be very spotty, maybe enough to keep them alive, but very far from healthy...

And as far as Aboro and Dako's inability to kill Urko: It had nothing to do with their lack of skill or ability to do the job, they probably would have succeeded if not for the fugitives stepping in...


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.html In a message dated 6/18/2007 3:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time, abmac@... writes:

I don't think Urko had much say in who succeeded him. Didn't Zaius  
threaten to replace him a couple of times in the series?

*** Yes, he was threatened with loss of his position... I believe it was entirely up to The High Council as to who'd replace Urko...


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.html.html In a message dated 6/18/2007 8:51:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

...Apes item that is new to me. Anyone know anything about this poster?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Original-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-POTA-Poster-34-x-34_W0QQitemZ150133625906QQihZ005QQcategoryZ2322QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Yeah, I had that poster back in the seventies.  I don't think I have it anymore.  It had to do with a scholastic magazine that was distributed through the middle and high schools here in the States that used POTA in some classes to introduce theories of evolution.

-- Rory


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That's a new one to me!

Tim

--- Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> ...Apes item that is new to me. Anyone know anything
> about this poster?
>
>

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Original-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-POTA-Poster-34-x-34_W

>

0QQitemZ150133625906QQihZ005QQcategoryZ2322QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>
>
>
> Neil
>
>

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I've got the mags but never saw the poster...Here are
the mags....

Tim


--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/18/2007 8:51:44 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
>
> > ...Apes item that is new to me. Anyone know
> anything about this poster?
> >
> >
> >
>

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Original-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-POTA-Poster-34-x-34_W0QQitemZ150133625906QQihZ005QQcategoryZ2322QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> >
>
> Yeah, I had that poster back in the seventies. I
> don't think I have it
> anymore. It had to do with a scholastic magazine
> that was distributed through the
> middle and high schools here in the States that used
> POTA in some classes to
> introduce theories of evolution.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com
>

.html In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:52:18 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

...Apes item that is new to me. Anyone know anything about this poster?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Original-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-POTA-Poster-34-x-34_W0QQitemZ150133625906QQihZ005QQcategoryZ2322QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I know I wouldn't mind owning it if it were cheap enough...



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I remember the mags from Middle School but don't remember ever seeing
that poster. Its cool that every once in a while someone still
stumbles upon something "new" from the Apes world.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I've got the mags but never saw the poster...Here are
> the mags....
>
> Tim
>
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 6/18/2007 8:51:44 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > ntfoster@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > ...Apes item that is new to me. Anyone know
> > anything about this poster?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Original-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-POTA-Poster-34-x-
34_W0QQitemZ150133625906QQihZ005QQcategoryZ2322QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, I had that poster back in the seventies. I
> > don't think I have it
> > anymore. It had to do with a scholastic magazine
> > that was distributed through the
> > middle and high schools here in the States that used
> > POTA in some classes to
> > introduce theories of evolution.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> > **************************************
> > See what's free at
> > http://www.aol.com
> >
>
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:24 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Here's another...

I remember the mags from Middle School but don't remember ever seeing
that poster. Its cool that every once in a while someone still
stumbles upon something "new" from the Apes world.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Your trilogy

In a message dated 6/18/2007 3:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time, abmac@... writes:

I don't think Urko had much say in who succeeded him. Didn't Zaius  
threaten to replace him a couple of times in the series?

*** Yes, he was threatened with loss of his position... I believe it was entirely up to The High Council as to who'd replace Urko...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Here's another...

I've got the mags but never saw the poster...Here are
the mags....

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:53 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group

In a message dated 6/17/2007 2:58:36 AM Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

Yeah, but can anyone who actually read the entire post
tell me if this is "real" Apes history, or from the mind of Patrick?

*** Unless it is from someone "authorized" by FOX to create an APES story or film, it's ALL made up speculation and therefore not canon... Even "authorized" by FOX stories like REVOLUTION are very hard to swallow...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Here's another...

Yeah, I had that poster back in the seventies.  I don't think I have it anymore.  It had to do with a scholastic magazine that was distributed through the middle and high schools here in the States that used POTA in some classes to introduce theories of evolution.

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.html In a message dated 6/19/2007 4:47:25 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

'The passing on' of Mendez's brain from one new body to the next over the generations is a bit of brilliant invention in my opinion.
So what if it isn't 'canon' it still makes a lot of sense and expands the story of the mutants in a very cool way.

*** The idea of one body passing on their brain is absolutely LUDICROUS!

It makes no sense! It'd be like saying that all of the Kennedys that have been in office here shared the brain of JFK... Just because their a "dynasty" doesn't mean that the Mendez group shared the same brain as the first one and it was passed down... People DO have individual minds of their own... And, besides that, what would have happened if let's say Mendez the 12th was a child while Mendez the 11th was ruling? Are we to believe that Mendez the 12th sat there with his own brain, and he grew up, maybe even went well into adulthood before Mendez the 11th died and then Mendez the 12th was able to get that much needed brain transplant?!?



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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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It'd be like saying that all of the Kennedys that have been in office here shared the brain of JFK...

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Flicks Yahoo Group

 People DO have individual minds of their own.... And, besides that, what would have happened if let's say Mendez the 12th was a child while Mendez the 11th was ruling? Are we to believe that Mendez the 12th sat there with his own brain, and he grew up, maybe even went well into adulthood before Mendez the 11th died and then Mendez the 12th was able to get that much needed brain transplant?! ?

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.html In a message dated 6/19/2007 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Maybe you need to go back and read Patrick's post again. I'm pretty sure he explains this.

*** I don't mean this sarcastically, but I really don't have the time...

Besides that, I don't have it anyway and I don't feel like looking for it...


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Here in Canada we got the 'Scholastic' list of paperback books
students could buy every few months. I bought my copy of Battle that
way. Not sure if 'Scholastic' services was run from the states or not.
The Battle book, which was the regular version as sold in bookstores,
was the only POTA item I ever say for sale. But there may have been
others that I missed because sometimes the teachers just did not
receive the brochures. It was intermittent at best.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:37 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Here's another...

> -- I find it fascinating that these sort of things were available for
> students in the USA. Non of the schools I went to around England
> or the
> world ever had educational POTA stuff for the kids.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:24 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Here's another...
>
>
>
> I remember the mags from Middle School but don't remember ever
> seeing
> that poster. Its cool that every once in a while someone still
> stumbles upon something "new" from the Apes world.
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
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> sgId=44988/stime=1182284755/nc1=4617360/nc2=3858788/nc3=3848604>
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Well, its official. I have the greatest girlfriend on Earth. Not only
is she a beautiful stripper who makes an insane amount of money... but
thanks to her, we are going to the San Diego Comic Con in July. Got my
fancy barcode today and plane tickets are paid for. We are going with
our friends Chris, Mandy (who is the person responsible for all the
stripper club madness) & Eric (who is the tattoo artist working on my
Planet of the Apes half sleeve.) I've never been to anything like this
and can't wait!!! Mike Ploog will be there and I am hoping to get a
sketch done with an autograph. Anyone else from this group going to
attend this year?