That was one of the working titles for Escape.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> That fanzine timeline (from around 1976, by the looks of it) says something about "the new film, 'The Secret On The Planet of the Apes'..." ??
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> >
> > It's been a month since I lasted posted an update, so it's time for
> > some more! Just added to my Apes archive:
> >
> > - Yet another APES timeline, this time from a mid-1970s UK
> > sci-fi/comic fanzine called COMICS UNLIMITED. Thanks to the
> > contributor!
> >
> > - Fan artwork from Olivier Moretti
> >
> > - Issue #1 of PLANETE DES SINGES, the French version of the
> > Marvel Apes magazine
> >
> > Thanks, guys!
> >
> > https://pota.goatley.com/
> >
> > Hunter
> >
>

Right. But why would the guy think there was a new movie due in 76/77? Was he just misinformed?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> That was one of the working titles for Escape.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> >
> > That fanzine timeline (from around 1976, by the looks of it) says something about "the new film, 'The Secret On The Planet of the Apes'..." ??
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's been a month since I lasted posted an update, so it's time for
> > > some more! Just added to my Apes archive:
> > >
> > > - Yet another APES timeline, this time from a mid-1970s UK
> > > sci-fi/comic fanzine called COMICS UNLIMITED. Thanks to the
> > > contributor!
> > >
> > > - Fan artwork from Olivier Moretti
> > >
> > > - Issue #1 of PLANETE DES SINGES, the French version of the
> > > Marvel Apes magazine
> > >
> > > Thanks, guys!
> > >
> > > https://pota.goatley.com/
> > >
> > > Hunter
> > >
> >
>

Good question. I have no idea.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> Right. But why would the guy think there was a new movie due in 76/77? Was he just misinformed?
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > That was one of the working titles for Escape.
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That fanzine timeline (from around 1976, by the looks of it) says something about "the new film, 'The Secret On The Planet of the Apes'..." ??
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's been a month since I lasted posted an update, so it's time for
> > > > some more! Just added to my Apes archive:
> > > >
> > > > - Yet another APES timeline, this time from a mid-1970s UK
> > > > sci-fi/comic fanzine called COMICS UNLIMITED. Thanks to the
> > > > contributor!
> > > >
> > > > - Fan artwork from Olivier Moretti
> > > >
> > > > - Issue #1 of PLANETE DES SINGES, the French version of the
> > > > Marvel Apes magazine
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, guys!
> > > >
> > > > https://pota.goatley.com/
> > > >
> > > > Hunter
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

*** The author says something like "A new film is definitely called for
here. Maybe the new film 'The Secret of the POTA' will provide the answers:"...

Before he said that, he said there's a lot of room for more films, etc...
I'm thinking since he was speculating on what could be done within the
context of APES, he should have said "a new film would provide the answers"...
Regardless of what he meant, I think it was all a case of wishful thinking...
***






In a message dated 11/1/2010 12:32:18 PM Central Standard Time,
handleyr@... writes:

> Good question. I have no idea.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
> >
> > Right. But why would the guy think there was a new movie due in 76/77?
> Was he just misinformed?
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That was one of the working titles for Escape.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That fanzine timeline (from around 1976, by the looks of it) says
> something about "the new film, 'The Secret On The Planet of the Apes'..."
> ??
>

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Hi all,

I'm new here (actually, been a lurker for sometime now),

I've read this post and read evryones answers.

My personal conclusion is...

This film has absolutely nothing to do with the Quitilogy (5 original films) except maybe (a big MAYBE), with the first 2 films "POTA" and "BTPOTA"...

My thoughts are, that they are doing the same thing that JJ Abrams did with "Star Trek", a new alternate timeline, with ferther change.
A new begining. Instead of time traveling back thru time, and Ceazar changing how the apes are in this time line. They change the apes thru genetic alterations.
That (to me) means, "Escape...", "Conquest..." and "Battle..." will kept as the original timeline, and "Rise" and any movie that comes after it, will be kept as the altered timeline.
(Or all of last 3 movies, "Escape...", "Conquest..." and "Battle..." will be thrown out the window).

There was some one (don't remember who at the moment) that fit the "2008 POTA" into the story (in his own version of the POTA universe. And actualy xtended the story even farther than 3955.

But simply, I can't see any way of conecting "Rise..." to the original "Planet of the Apes Quintilogy ".

Regards...
Vahmp

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> People have been assuming that "Rise of the Apes" will be something like "Conquest", but the director said if the ape vs. human war is depicted, it would be in the next film. I'd say that would make IT the new "Conquest", while "Rise" is more like "Escape". Apes don't land from the future, but it's about one ape (Caesar) interacting with the humans. Amanda Silver, the writer, said there's a lot of heart, and I think that description fits "Escape". >SPOILER< And the film literally climaxes with an escape, not a conquest. Like "Escape", the movie will be more intimate and show how things get started. And it happens that 2011 is the 40th anniversary of "Escape", so it all fits.
>

*** Whitty, you should get a bunch of students together and have them do
the script for the POTA/Stage show as an audio drama... ***




In a message dated 10/29/2010 7:37:54 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> Looks great Neil!
>
> Long live the WIKI!
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've given the wiki page on the UK Live Shows an overhaul to include all
> the new information from the scripts and the new images obtained by Rich.
> There's also some more great news clippings obtained by Dave Ballard added
> too. Much appreciation to Rich & Dave.

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In a message dated 11/1/2010 2:53:07 PM Central Standard Time,
lord_vahmp@... writes:

> There was some one (don't remember who at the moment) that fit the "2008
> POTA" into the story (in his own version of the POTA universe. And actualy
> xtended the story even farther than 3955.

*** I don't like that idea, not everything with the term POTA has to be
connected... It's like saying all "Batman" or "Superman" films and TV series
are connected... They're similar in style and content, but they're not the
same thing... And if these people insist on including the pota2001 thing in
with the rest of it, then why aren't they including the Boulle book (unless the
timeline you're referring to did that too)? I don't think I've ever heard
of that being included, and it's the book that inspired the whole APES
thing... Well, there was that "audio drama" where that guy included portions of
Boulle's book into his rewrite which made no sense... Then again, when I told
him that the Boulle book is NOT set on future Earth and that it's set on an
entirely different planet (Soror), in response he said something like
"That's an interesting concept", so that tells you where his mind is at... ***

>
> But simply, I can't see any way of conecting "Rise..." to the original
> "Planet of the Apes Quintilogy ".

*** Agreed... Like I said, I think this film will be the start of it's own
entity/franchise... It might end up being something similar in content, but
it's own universe... ***</HTML>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

>
>> *** I don't like that idea, not everything with the term POTA has to be connected... It's like saying all "Batman" or "Superman" films and TV series are connected... They're similar in style and content, but they're not the same thing... And if these people insist on including the pota2001 thing in with the rest of it, then why aren't they including the Boulle book (unless the timeline you're referring to did that too)? I don't think I've ever heard of that being included, and it's the book that inspired the whole APES
> thing... Well, there was that "audio drama" where that guy included portions of Boulle's book into his rewrite which made no sense... Then again, when I told him that the Boulle book is NOT set on future Earth and that it's set on an entirely different planet (Soror), in response he said something like "That's an interesting concept", so that tells you where his mind is at... ***

======== Well.... I think this will be getting abit "off topic", but I'll answer your rebutle anyhoos. hehe

If you are going to use the DC universe as an example, you have to look at the origins of the whole (the comix themselves).
How many times, and in who many comix and grafic novels and even in "Smallville" TV series do we see different Super Heroes come together in the same place? That is totaly canonical, and it is in the same universe and timeline.
You and I may not like it, but it still doesn't change the fact that they are from the same timeline and universe.

Now with that said...

I did read the guys story (not realy a story, but more a cronology of the events), and wasn't bad, I kinda liked it.
But that's another story...

My main point when I wrote my statement in the prior post was...
They (the writers) did the same thing that JJ Abrams did with "Star Trek". And honestly... It throws the whole POTA movies series off wack, but that's just my opinion, and such is life....
I'll definately watch it and enjoy it, just because I love Sci-Fi.! hehehe

> > But simply, I can't see any way of conecting "Rise..." to the original "Planet of the Apes Quintilogy ".
> *** Agreed... Like I said, I think this film will be the start of it's own entity/franchise... It might end up being something similar in content, but it's own universe... ***

=========I agree with it being it's own franchise.
But in my (personal) view...
I will still see it as a new/altered timeline...

Let's just wait and see where they'll take us on these new adventures.
Maybe in the other up and coming movies, they'll change my mind about it being a new/altered timeline, and I'll look at them as
totally new movies/universe.
Till then, to me, it's just an altered timeline...

Regards....
Vahmp

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As stuburn as I am, I went looking for that story/cronology I spoke about!
And I finally found.

It's here in the groups file section (of all places. lol)...

Here; http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/

The name of the file is;
apes-story-line-fixed.pdf 86 KB munkeyman63au Apr 2, 2007

It's the first .PDF file when you scroll down the files page.

Not a bad read at all.
Read it, see if you like it, ou dislike it.
Then, give your thoughts on it.

Regards....
Vahmp

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/1/2010 2:53:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> lord_vahmp@... writes:
>
>
> > There was some one (don't remember who at the moment) that fit the "2008
> > POTA" into the story (in his own version of the POTA universe. And actualy
> > xtended the story even farther than 3955.
>
> *** I don't like that idea, not everything with the term POTA has to be
> connected... It's like saying all "Batman" or "Superman" films and TV series
> are connected... They're similar in style and content, but they're not the
> same thing... And if these people insist on including the pota2001 thing in
> with the rest of it, then why aren't they including the Boulle book (unless the
> timeline you're referring to did that too)? I don't think I've ever heard
> of that being included, and it's the book that inspired the whole APES
> thing... Well, there was that "audio drama" where that guy included portions of
> Boulle's book into his rewrite which made no sense... Then again, when I told
> him that the Boulle book is NOT set on future Earth and that it's set on an
> entirely different planet (Soror), in response he said something like
> "That's an interesting concept", so that tells you where his mind is at... ***
>
> >
> > But simply, I can't see any way of conecting "Rise..." to the original
> > "Planet of the Apes Quintilogy ".
>
> *** Agreed... Like I said, I think this film will be the start of it's own
> entity/franchise... It might end up being something similar in content, but
> it's own universe... ***</HTML>
>

*** I don't know how well ROTA will end up doing with that competition... A
lot of it sounds like crap, but with "Potter", "Pirates", and
"Transformers" it'll have a harder time finding an audience... One good thing with those
"blockbuster" type films: They don't have the legs they used to... They have
a HUGE opening weekend, maybe another week or two on top and then fade
out...***



In a message dated 11/2/2010 1:44:45 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

> So, even if "Rise of the Apes" rocks (the article describes it as "a
> wild card") it will be an uphill battle to get the audience we want to ensure
> sequels.

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In a message dated 11/2/2010 1:25:20 PM Central Standard Time,
lord_vahmp@... writes:

> ======== Well.... I think this will be getting abit "off topic", but I'll
> answer your rebutle anyhoos. hehe
>
> If you are going to use the DC universe as an example, you have to look at
> the origins of the whole (the comix themselves).
> How many times, and in who many comix and grafic novels and even in
> "Smallville" TV series do we see different Super Heroes come together in the same
> place? That is totaly canonical, and it is in the same universe and
> timeline.You and I may not like it, but it still doesn't change the fact that
> they are from the same timeline and universe.
>
> Now with that said...
>
> I did read the guys story (not realy a story, but more a cronology of the
> events), and wasn't bad, I kinda liked it.
> But that's another story...
>
> My main point when I wrote my statement in the prior post was... They (the
> writers) did the same thing that JJ Abrams did with "Star Trek". And
> honestly... It throws the whole POTA movies series off wack, but that's just my
> opinion, and such is life.... I'll definately watch it and enjoy it, just
> because I love Sci-Fi.! hehehe
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Well, I wasn't considering the comics in the mix, but yeah, they can be
> included (as far as my Superhero comparisons)... What I was getting at was
> look at it like this: The 1989 BATMAN film might be in Gotham City, but so is
> the '66/'67 BATMAN series but they're're really not connesced... Yeah,
> they may have some similarities as in locale, etc. but they really are their
> own things... That can/will probably be the same with this new ROTA film:
> It, like the original APES films, may be on (future) Earth and might even end
> up with characters with the same name, etc. but they'll still be their own
> take on things... I guess a better comaprison might be BATTLESTAR
> GALACTICA: The old one really has nothing to do with the new one... Yeah, they both
> have Cylons and both have a Starbuck (but the new one is a woman if I
> remember right), etc. etc. but they're each their own "take" on the franchise
> with no "real" connection to the other... ***

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



>
>
> =========I agree with it being it's own franchise.
> But in my (personal) view...
> I will still see it as a new/altered timeline...
>
> Let's just wait and see where they'll take us on these new adventures.
> Maybe in the other up and coming movies, they'll change my mind about it
> being a new/altered timeline, and I'll look at them as totally new
> movies/universe.
> Till then, to me, it's just an altered timeline...
>
>

And to me, it'll still be it's own thing... Boulle's book is not the PLANET
film(s), RETURN is it's own take on the name, etc. Just because they have
some similarities doesn't make them connected, at least not in my book... If
people want to group it all as one big thing, more power to them... I can
see where you're coming from with the ST comparison, but I don't see this ROTA
being that way as far as APES... If I end up seeing ROTA, I'll see if I
agree with you, but I really don't see it happening...</HTML>

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That's a good idea Mike... just in time for Christmas too!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Whitty, you should get a bunch of students together and have them do
> the script for the POTA/Stage show as an audio drama... ***
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/29/2010 7:37:54 PM Central Standard Time,
> mswhitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Looks great Neil!
> >
> > Long live the WIKI!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've given the wiki page on the UK Live Shows an overhaul to include all
> > the new information from the scripts and the new images obtained by Rich.
> > There's also some more great news clippings obtained by Dave Ballard added
> > too. Much appreciation to Rich & Dave.
>
> </HTML>
>

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Attachments :

ApesRally2010.jpg

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*** BROKENSEAS is supposedly going to be doing it... It will be ready
sometime around the middle of 2019... ***


In a message dated 11/4/2010 10:16:54 AM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> I am WAY too busy but if anyone is keen, please go ahead!
>
> Michael
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Neil Moxham
> Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:50 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Long-lost POTA U.K. Live Stage Show--Found!
>
>
>
> That's a good idea Mike... just in time for Christmas too!
>
> --- In <A HREF="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com</A>
> , mlccougar@... wrote:
> >
> > *** Whitty, you should get a bunch of students together and have them do
> > the script for the POTA/Stage show as an audio drama... ***
>
>
>
>
>

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;) I think it could be good though. I think I said before that it would be an idea for BrokenSeas to do the unfilmed TV scripts, something more original than the movie adaptations. This is along the same lines.

Neil M.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** BROKENSEAS is supposedly going to be doing it... It will be ready
> sometime around the middle of 2019... ***
>
>
> In a message dated 11/4/2010 10:16:54 AM Central Standard Time,
> mswhitty@... writes:
>
>
> > I am WAY too busy but if anyone is keen, please go ahead!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> > Neil Moxham
> > Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:50 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Long-lost POTA U.K. Live Stage Show--Found!
> >
> >
> >
> > That's a good idea Mike... just in time for Christmas too!
> >
> > --- In <A HREF="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com</A>
> > , mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > *** Whitty, you should get a bunch of students together and have them do
> > > the script for the POTA/Stage show as an audio drama... ***
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> </HTML>
>

I hadn't seen some of these photos before, though they might be old news to some people:

http://thehorrordrunx.yuku.com/topic/1543

It has a fairly decent telling of the development of the movie too. Speaking of which, I was in touch with Louise Huebner, widow of Mentor Huebner and custodian of his art works. Mentor made the conceptual designs for the original movie, and according to Louise, Mentor worked with Arthur Jacobs pretty much from day one and she knows nothing of any other artists involved. She also says she has many more concept drawings from POTA that have never been made public. Yet.

Neil M.

*** Yes, it "could" work... Hopefully he doesn't over-add to it like he did
with the little bit of PLANET that I heard... And yes, the unfilmed scripts
would be/would have been better material for him to mess with rather than
the films... ***


In a message dated 11/4/2010 4:51:52 PM Central Standard Time,
neilmoxham@... writes:

> ;) I think it could be good though. I think I said before that it would
> be an idea for BrokenSeas to do the unfilmed TV scripts, something more
> original than the movie adaptations. This is along the same lines.
>
> Neil M.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
> >
> > *** BROKENSEAS is supposedly going to be doing it... It will be ready
>

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Dear fans,

Sunday, Nov. 7, 2010

The Darryl F. Zanuck Theater, Twentieth Century Fox Studios, 10201 W. Pico Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90064.

5:00 PM - Planet of the Apes (Running time: 112 min.) Q&A with actor Lou Wagner (Lucius) and the film's makeup artist Daniel Striepeke.


Tickets: Single-screening tickets to the series are $10 for adults, $8 for children 12 and under. Popcorn and parking are free. Tickets for screenings:

http://www.calparks.org/filmseries: (877) 663-0566.

I'll be there!
Ameet

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  Just a shout out that one of the classics of POTA's genre will premiere it's most complete version ever on Turner Classic Movies  on Sunday.  Before it hits DVD, blu-ray or anything. So that's that!

 

  http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47353

 

 

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I saw it on the big screen about a month ago. Stunning!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Cool, never saw it before.
> Now I'll be able to see the complete version.
>
> Thanks.
> Al
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:36 PM, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > Just a shout out that one of the classics of POTA's genre will premiere it's most complete version ever on Turner Classic Movies on Sunday. Before it hits DVD, blu-ray or anything. So that's that!
> >
> > http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47353
> >
> >
> >
>

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Vahmp" <lord_vahmp@...> wrote:

>
> As stuburn as I am, I went looking for that story/cronology I spoke about!
> And I finally found.
>
> It's here in the groups file section (of all places. lol)...
>
> Here; http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/
>
> The name of the file is;
> apes-story-line-fixed.pdf 86 KB munkeyman63au Apr 2, 2007
>
> It's the first .PDF file when you scroll down the files page.
>
> Not a bad read at all.
> Read it, see if you like it, ou dislike it.
> Then, give your thoughts on it.
>
> Regards....
> Vahmp
>

Hi, first post to this group.

I have to say that when I read "It is just a dream" when referring to Leo's landing on Earth to be faced with a statue of Aperaham Lincoln in Burton's Apes, I began to lose interest. Such a cheap shoehorning in to "fix" a problem... I also didn't care for saying that the Oberon landed on Earth instead of another planet, as it did in the film it comes from. Some of it seems OK, but I just find it like "fixing" a jigsaw puzzle by hammering any of the pieces together and hoping that you get something approximating the dimensions of the finished article: it gets messy and you lose the picture.

I suppose I'm being harsh, considering the effort put in, but I generally found myself coming to the conclusion that the "fixing" is worse than just allowing the different films (Burton's and the original set) to be set in different universes.

BTW, thanks, though, for finding this, though. I'll probably give it another read later on. Maybe it gets better on rereads. ;)


Graham F

*** I'm no fan of trying to piece EVERYTHING under the APES banner into
one big piece... They can say "altered timeline" all they want, but it's just
nonsensical to me... You can only take that so far before it gets too
friggin ridiculous...

To me, the movies and the live action TV series are in the same "universe"
(but I can see where people would NOT count the TV series in with the films,
as they may see the TV show as its own "universe")... To me, the events of
ESCAPE start an new (altered) timeline, but it's still all within the same
universe...

I do NOT include RETURN in with any of it, just like I wouldn't put
Burton's film in it, and I'm already counting on ROTA being its own take on the
APES name... I see nothing wrong with different sub-groups of the APES name
being their own thing... ***

In a message dated 11/8/2010 8:14:39 PM Central Standard Time,
gort65@... writes:

> I have to say that when I read "It is just a dream" when referring to
> Leo's landing on Earth to be faced with a statue of Aperaham Lincoln in
> Burton's Apes, I began to lose interest. Such a cheap shoehorning in to "fix" a
> problem... I also didn't care for saying that the Oberon landed on Earth
> instead of another planet, as it did in the film it comes from. Some of it
> seems OK, but I just find it like "fixing" a jigsaw puzzle by hammering any of
> the pieces together and hoping that you get something approximating the
> dimensions of the finished article: it gets messy and you lose the picture.
>
> I suppose I'm being harsh, considering the effort put in, but I generally
> found myself coming to the conclusion that the "fixing" is worse than just
> allowing the different films (Burton's and the original set) to be set in
> different universes.

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...I thought I'd post a quick update on Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes. It's done--and thanks to my amazing art director, Paul Giachetti, it looks great. Now we're preparing the book for distribution through Amazon, and we hope to have everything completed by Dec. 15. I plan to post an excerpt at www.hassleinbooks.com some time in the next week or so.

My next project will be a pair of books about the Back to the Future films. It never ends!

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I thought I might throw another curve into the discrepancy between landing dates attributed to Planet and Beneath. I've always tended to accept the year 3978 as the canon and all further efforts to have been a continuity error. What if however both were wrong? After Taylor delivers his soliloquy during the intro of Planet he indicates that within 1 hour they will have completed 6 months in flight. With a ships date of Jul 14th 1972 that indicates a launch on Jan 14th, 1972. The contemporary earthtime at that point is Mar 24th, 2673. In other words 701 yrs, 2 months and 10 days have elapsed during this six month period. Taylor enters suspended animation and when the ship crashes all we are offered is a glimpse at the earthtime, Nov 25th, 3978, but not the corresponding ship time. For two reasons we can assume that another full year has passed while Taylor slept. In a conversation between Taylor and Landon, Landon chides Taylor for his lack of remorse in the death of Stewart. Taylor retorts that she's been dead nearly a year and Landon concludes they've been away from earth for eighteen months. That would point to a subjective shiptime of Jul 14th 1973. Taylor already knew before entering his sleep cycle that Hasslein's theory was correct and that he was about to sleep for another year. Before falling asleep he should have expected to awake around August of 4075. This is based on tripling the 701 yr, 2 mon, 10 day elapsed time observed before he enters sleep. This assumes that time passes smoothly while traversing the Hasslein curve. Taylor reads the earthtime before escaping the Icarus (which I prefer over Liberty 1). Later while crossing the forbidden zone Taylor tells Landon they've been away from earth "20 centuries, give or take a decade". Given the discrepancy between Taylor's expectation and the recorded earthtime Taylor may have accepted a fairly broad margin of error in the chronograph, broader in fact than his flippant "give or take a decade". Even attributing a mere ten year margin of error in both Taylor's vessel and that of Skipper Maddox's then Taylor's arrival could be as early as 3968 while Maddox's arrival could be as late as 3965, a significantly smaller gap.

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*** Pretty cool artwork... ***

In a message dated 11/13/2010 4:46:25 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@... writes:

> Haven't seen this one before, gives away a bit of the story though:
>
> "Final painting for the climactic battle in the new novel "Conspiracy of
> the Planet of the Apes"."
> <A
> HREF=" http://joejusko.deviantart.com/art/POTA-Bridge-Battle-Final-163374276?q=boost%3Apopular+planet+of+the+apes&qo=48">
> http://joejusko.deviantart.com/art/POTA-Bridge-Battle-Final-163374276?q=boost%3Apopular+planet+of+the+
> apes&qo=48</A>
>
>

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*** Where'd you dig that up? ***



In a message dated 11/13/2010 6:14:08 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> This looks cool too:
>

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*** I still consider 3978 as the true canon date, the 3955 date just came
up out of nowhere (Dehn not checking for proper continuity)... That said, I
really don't put much, if any, thought into the dates... To me they're just a
very small part of it and really don't make much difference to the stories
overall: We know it's supposed to be the future, that's good enough for
me... ***


In a message dated 11/13/2010 6:13:19 PM Central Standard Time,
robduthie@... writes:

> I thought I might throw another curve into the discrepancy between
> landing dates attributed to Planet and Beneath. I've always tended to accept the
> year 3978 as the canon and all further efforts to have been a continuity
> error. What if however both were wrong? After Taylor delivers his soliloquy
> during the intro of Planet he indicates that within 1 hour they will have
> completed 6 months in flight. With a ships date of Jul 14th 1972 that
> indicates a launch on Jan 14th, 1972. The contemporary earthtime at that point is
> Mar 24th, 2673. In other words 701 yrs, 2 months and 10 days have elapsed
> during this six month period. Taylor enters suspended animation and when the
> ship crashes all we are offered is a glimpse at the earthtime, Nov 25th,
> 3978, but not the corresponding ship time. For two reasons we can assume
> that another full year has passed while Taylor slept. In a conversation
> between Taylor and Landon, Landon chides Taylor for his lack of remorse in the
> death of Stewart. T
> aylor retorts that she's been dead nearly a year and Landon concludes
> they've been away from earth for eighteen months. That would point to a
> subjective shiptime of Jul 14th 1973. Taylor already knew before entering his
> sleep cycle that Hasslein's theory was correct and that he was about to sleep
> for another year. Before falling asleep he should have expected to awake
> around August of 4075. This is based on tripling the 701 yr, 2 mon, 10 day
> elapsed time observed before he enters sleep. This assumes that time passes
> smoothly while traversing the Hasslein curve. Taylor reads the earthtime
> before escaping the Icarus (which I prefer over Liberty 1). Later while
> crossing the forbidden zone Taylor tells Landon they've been away from earth "20
> centuries, give or take a decade". Given the discrepancy between Taylor's
> expectation and the recorded earthtime Taylor may have accepted a fairly
> broad margin of error in the chronograph, broader in fact than his flippant
> "give or take a de
> cade". Even attributing a mere ten year margin of error in both Taylor's
> vessel and that of Skipper Maddox's then Taylor's arrival could be as early
> as 3968 while Maddox's arrival could be as late as 3965, a significantly
> smaller gap.
>

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A bit more background on those Kirby POTA sketches from the early 80s:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/movies/13kirby.html_r=1

Thanks for posting this, Neil. I've often wondered what that series would have entailed. Who were Toomak the slave boy, or the gorilla villain, or the "female companion of astronauts?" We may never know.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> A bit more background on those Kirby POTA sketches from the early 80s:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/movies/13kirby.html_r=1
>

Well, judging by the article, he was just bored and kicking around loads of half-baked ideas. There's also a slideshow of some of the other ideas he came up with, which look a lot more 'finished'. I wonder if there could be more POTA stuff among the 600 Kirby production boards?

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/04/12/arts/20100413_KIRBY_SLIDESHOW_index.html"

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this, Neil. I've often wondered what that series would have entailed. Who were Toomak the slave boy, or the gorilla villain, or the "female companion of astronauts?" We may never know.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> >
> > A bit more background on those Kirby POTA sketches from the early 80s:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/movies/13kirby.html_r=1
> >
>

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*** Do you think there might be a delay because of the CGI apes? ***



In a message dated 11/18/2010 6:52:39 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

> So when will Fox beat their chest like a gorilla and get with the
> program? I want my teaser trailer

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*** If they want it to succeed, they better get the hype going pretty
soon... It'll be buried under the other movies as it is... ***




In a message dated 11/19/2010 3:44:53 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> I don't think so – I think they justhave their own agenda and their own
> ideas on when it's best to advertise.
>
>

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*** I'm in no rush for it to come out... I'm just thinking they should do
what they can so it doesn't wind up forgotten among all the Super Hero and
Harry Potter hype that'll be going on... ***




In a message dated 11/19/2010 7:36:40 PM Central Standard Time,
pota1968@... writes:

> I'm in no hurry.
> Before you know it we'll all be discussing how the movie went a year from
> now.
>
> Time flies as did Burton's version ten years ago.
> So just enjoy the moment while it's still here.
>
> Al
>
>
> From: "mlccougar@..." <mlccougar@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 4:49:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where's the "Rise of the Apes" hype?
>
> *** If they want it to succeed, they better get the hype going pretty
> soon... It'll be buried under the other movies as it is... ***
>
> In a message dated 11/19/2010 3:44:53 PM Central Standard Time,
> <A HREF="mailto:mswhitty%40optusnet.com.au">mswhitty@...</A>
> writes:
>
> > I don't think so – I think they justhave their own agenda and their own
> > ideas on when it's best to advertise.
>
>
>
>
>

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**** I can't get the thing to open all the way so I can't read anything
about it or see past the shot from the film and the piece you're talking
about... But since they just show the head part, I'd guess that's it... ****




In a message dated 11/21/2010 12:09:25 AM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> So is it just the jagged cut piece?
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2010 3:07 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Bleeding Lawgiver
>
>
>
> <A
> HREF=" http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-43/orig">
> http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-43/orig</A>
> inal-special-effects-bleeding-lawgiver-statue-from-beneath-the-planet-of-th
> e
> -apes.htmlbr> >
>
>
>
>

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On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

**** I can't get the thing to open all the way so I can't read anything
about it or see past the shot from the film and the piece you're talking
about... But since they just show the head part, I'd guess that's it... ****

In a message dated 11/21/2010 12:09:25 AM Central Standard Time,

mswhitty@... writes:

> So is it just the jagged cut piece?
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2010 3:07 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Bleeding Lawgiver
>
>
>

> <A
> HREF=" http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-43/orig">
> http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-43/orig</A>

> inal-special-effects-bleeding-lawgiver-statue-from-beneath-the-planet-of-th
> e
> -apes.htmlbr>>
>
>
>
>

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Thanks for posting that...That's all I could get to come up too (not able
to read the dewscription or anything else)...




In a message dated 11/21/2010 8:49:30 PM Central Standard Time,
jessicarotich@... writes:

> Mike, this is all I see when I look at the link. I saved it in my
> computer, as it's a great reference shot of the Lawgiver's face.
>
>

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Well, it fell over in the film, didn't it!

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Apemania owned the original Bleeding Lawgiver, complete with blood tubes. I wonder if this is the same one.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder why there would be only that jagged piece left?
>
> It also makes you wonder how quickly what's left might disappear!
>
> MIchael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Monday, 22 November 2010 1:05 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Bleeding Lawgiver
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for posting that...That's all I could get to come up too (not able
> to read the dewscription or anything else)...
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2010 8:49:30 PM Central Standard Time,
> jessicarotich@... <mailto:jessicarotich%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Mike, this is all I see when I look at the link. I saved it in my
> > computer, as it's a great reference shot of the Lawgiver's face.
> >
> >
>

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It is an interesting 'story'. Hard to say if it true or not. At first I
thought that it was phony right off the bat as he claimed to be an Apes
fans yet used "POTS" instead of "POTA", but at the end he did use POTA,
so perhaps the POTS references were typos.

But asking for $275 is nuts. Even if true, it's totally unverifiable.
And lets not forget that she was only onscreen for a few seconds.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael & Sally <mswhitty@...>
Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:41 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Stewart from "POTS"

> Interesting story!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Dianne-Stanley-RARE-signed-Planet-Apes-8x10-
> POTA-/250724
> 709911?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/Dianne-Stanley-RARE-signed-Planet-Apes-8x10-
> POTA-/25072
> 4709911?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a605b7617#ht_602wt_1139>
> &hash=item3a605b7617#ht_602wt_1139
>
>
>
> Dianne Stanley EXTREMLY RARE signed Planet of the Apes photo 8x10.
>
>
>
> If you have found this listing then you probably know she is
> impossible to
> find and I have seen no one who has found her with the exception of
> me. So
> you have to believe me that I did find her or not. For those who
> might ask,
> this is how I did it. (I have no problem sharing it with you
> because if you
> want to try and do it yourself good luck, it took years). Also if
> you are
> wondering why I'm selling something so rare, it's simple, kids and
> Xmas,need I say more? So if this sells it might be your only chance
> to ever get
> one, if it doesn't it might still be your last chance because I may
> neverlist it again.
>
>
>
> .I spent several years looking for her and had absolutely no luck
> whatsoever. I figured she left Hollywood and got married and with a
> new last
> name there would be no way to ever find her, so I quit. Then after
> a friend
> inspired me to keep trying (he collects POTS too) I came up with a
> new game
> plan, I tried to find people who may have known her. I tried several
> websites and finally started reaching out to people from Southern
> Californiathrough such sites as Classmates.com and others (oh and
> this is how I found
> Jack O'Halloran from Superman 2, he was Non, this was a favor I did
> for Bob
> and Lou who sold autographs and supplied people for the Chiller
> show in NJ,
> they had tried for years and failed to find him, he was living in
> Ireland)and finally I did find someone who knew her, she forwarded
> my info to her
> and I got a call from Diana her self, at first I wasn't sure, could
> havebeen anyone really but this was years ago now and IMDB wasn't
> as good as it
> was now, and what she told me surprised me. POTA was not her only
> role, she
> had been an extra on Bad Girls for the Boys and Speedway. Only she
> didn'tspell her name with two n's only one and went by Diana. A
> check of it then
> showed what she said was true, now Diane, Dianne and Diana are
> overlapped on
> IMDB. But back then they weren't so I felt comfortable that I had
> indeedfound her. She was never sure how the spelling with 2 n's
> happened as she
> was unaccredited.
>
>
>
> She thought it was funny that I had tried so hard to find her as
> she didn't
> think her role amounted to anything, she basically only played a
> corpse, but
> she agreed to sign a hand full of photos for me, she gave me her
> address I
> sent them, she signed them and that was that. I have had them ever
> since, a
> couple have been sold, and a couple have been given to close
> collectingfriends but these are it. I have tried to mail her since
> to see if I could
> get more or get her to at least sign something a little better then
> theblack and white photos I sent, but my mail has come back return
> to sender.
>
>
>
> So these are it, I don't even know if she is alive or has moved. I
> can'tfind any record of her through online searches of phone books
> or through
> people searches. And I didn't bother to keep the name of the person
> I used
> to find her, a mistake, but I'm not going through the extra work to
> re-find
> them either to just to be greedy.
>
>
>
> So that is the story, these are real and RARE, the price I have
> listed is
> fair in my opinion. Please note I put the spelling of her name as
> it appears
> on IMDB and other POTA websites but it's autographed as she signs
> her name
> Diana. She also added Stewart and POTA which I think makes it all the
> better.
>
>
>
>

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*** She may be hard to locate, but probably not quite as impossible as he
makes it out... It sure seems like she did a few conventions a few years
ago... ***





In a message dated 11/22/2010 2:23:02 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> Yes I'm not convinced just by the amount of explaining he does.
>
> It would be great to track this actress down and do an article/try to
> really authenticate this but I think it's likely a tall story…
>

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That's some good detective work! Your 4075 estimate does make sense, but now I think about it, if the ship had passed through some kind of time disturbance (rather than just drifting for 2,000 years), would the equipment still work. How would the clock still be able to accurately guage the comparative Earth time if it had 'jumped'? Maybe, just maybe, the disturbance happened when the ship reached 3978 - or 19 20ths (I think) of it's intended journey, then stopped as a result of the jump? Then the Earth clock would have stopped about 2 or 3 weeks too soon, is that right? And then the movie could be set any time at all really. My head hurts.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "robduthie@..." <robduthie@...> wrote:
>
> I thought I might throw another curve into the discrepancy between landing dates attributed to Planet and Beneath. I've always tended to accept the year 3978 as the canon and all further efforts to have been a continuity error. What if however both were wrong? After Taylor delivers his soliloquy during the intro of Planet he indicates that within 1 hour they will have completed 6 months in flight. With a ships date of Jul 14th 1972 that indicates a launch on Jan 14th, 1972. The contemporary earthtime at that point is Mar 24th, 2673. In other words 701 yrs, 2 months and 10 days have elapsed during this six month period. Taylor enters suspended animation and when the ship crashes all we are offered is a glimpse at the earthtime, Nov 25th, 3978, but not the corresponding ship time. For two reasons we can assume that another full year has passed while Taylor slept. In a conversation between Taylor and Landon, Landon chides Taylor for his lack of remorse in the death of Stewart. Taylor retorts that she's been dead nearly a year and Landon concludes they've been away from earth for eighteen months. That would point to a subjective shiptime of Jul 14th 1973. Taylor already knew before entering his sleep cycle that Hasslein's theory was correct and that he was about to sleep for another year. Before falling asleep he should have expected to awake around August of 4075. This is based on tripling the 701 yr, 2 mon, 10 day elapsed time observed before he enters sleep. This assumes that time passes smoothly while traversing the Hasslein curve. Taylor reads the earthtime before escaping the Icarus (which I prefer over Liberty 1). Later while crossing the forbidden zone Taylor tells Landon they've been away from earth "20 centuries, give or take a decade". Given the discrepancy between Taylor's expectation and the recorded earthtime Taylor may have accepted a fairly broad margin of error in the chronograph, broader in fact than his flippant "give or take a decade". Even attributing a mere ten year margin of error in both Taylor's vessel and that of Skipper Maddox's then Taylor's arrival could be as early as 3968 while Maddox's arrival could be as late as 3965, a significantly smaller gap.
>

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Great article posted here at Steve's blog:
http://srbissette.com/?p=10408

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Hi, folks,

I've posted an excerpt from Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes at hassleinbooks.com, for those who'd like a sneak peak:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com

I should be receiving a proof copy from Amazon tomorrow or Thursday. Assuming nothing needs to be fixed, we expect the book to be available for sale by the end of next week. After two years of putting this project together, I can't tell you how excited I am to finally see it come to fruition.

In case anyone's interested, my next two books will be about the Back to the Future films. Great Scott!

--Rich

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Thanks, Mike. Yeah, that it is. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Looking good Rich, and it seems to be incredibly comprehensive!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> rassmguy
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2010 8:57 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Excerpt of Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes now available
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I've posted an excerpt from Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes at
> hassleinbooks.com, for those who'd like a sneak peak:
>
> http://www.hassleinbooks.com
>
> I should be receiving a proof copy from Amazon tomorrow or Thursday.
> Assuming nothing needs to be fixed, we expect the book to be available for
> sale by the end of next week. After two years of putting this project
> together, I can't tell you how excited I am to finally see it come to
> fruition.
>
> In case anyone's interested, my next two books will be about the Back to the
> Future films. Great Scott!
> .
>
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> =58418/stime=1291157859/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>
>

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*** Good article... Some of these sound pretty interesting... The first
STRANGE ADVENTURES cover ("The Gorilla World) is sort of what I'd picture the
apes in Boulle's book to look like... ***



In a message dated 11/29/2010 8:16:44 PM Central Standard Time,
handleyr@... writes:

> Great article posted here at Steve's blog:
> http://srbissette.com/?p=10408
>

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*** Probably will be a cash in/coincide release... Wonder if they'll
eventually do all the films... ***



In a message dated 12/3/2010 5:41:20 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@... writes:

> New release coming up to coincide with the new movie?
> "The November issue of Post magazine has a feature on the restoration of
> Planet of the Apes (1968). I didn't even know this was being planned. As an
> Apes fan with multiple copies on DVD and a pretty decent copy on Blu-ray
> already, I'm looking forward to seeing what they've done with the film.
> Here is what they say about the project -"
> <A
> HREF=" http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/306373/planet-of-the-apes-1968-restoration-details">
> http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/306373/planet-of-the-apes-1968-restoration-details</A>
>
> Neil T. Foster
>
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*** The way it reads, it looks like it's just going to be PLANET... I would
guess if it sells well or if they need to pull out another reason to sell
the films as a set they'll do all of them... ***


In a message dated 12/3/2010 6:07:04 PM Central Standard Time,
robduthie@... writes:

> Are the plans just for the original or all five?
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