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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60232 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60233 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Imagine a Planet of the Apes |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60234 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Imagine a Planet of the Apes |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60235 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Questions |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60236 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Dollies of the Planet of the Apes |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60237 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Questions |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60238 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60239 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60240 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Burton on POTA2001 |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60241 |
From: Graham |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60242 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Questions |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60243 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: generic POTA screenwriter action figure |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60244 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60245 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: oooops! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60246 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Questions |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60247 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Japanese "Rise" commercials |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60248 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: oooops! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60249 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" looking at # 4 this weekend |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60250 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2011 |
| Subject: The courtroom artist from "Escape" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60251 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2011 |
| Subject: talkin' "Rise" CG |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60252 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The courtroom artist from "Escape" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60253 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The courtroom artist from "Escape" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60254 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" hits $300 million worldwide |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60255 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: Hope shall "Rise" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60256 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: "New Yorker" review |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60257 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Re: oooops! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60258 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Re: oooops! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60259 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Apes "rise" to # 3 |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60260 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60261 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: The year of living aperously |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60262 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/30/2011 |
| Subject: >SPOILER< Will "Star Wars" upstage POTA AGAIN? |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60263 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: >SPOILER< Will "Star Wars" upstage POTA AGAIN? |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60264 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Hunter's site updated |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60265 |
From: brady |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Hunter's site updated |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60266 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" blu-ray announcement imminent |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60267 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60268 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60269 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60270 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60271 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60272 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60273 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60274 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60275 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: OT: "Paul Williams: Still Alive" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60276 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60277 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60278 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60279 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60280 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60281 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: A Bit of Conspiracy |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60282 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60283 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60284 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60285 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60286 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60287 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60288 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60289 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60290 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60291 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Apegu$t |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60292 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60293 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60294 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" labors this weekend |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60295 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60296 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60297 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Frank Capra Jr. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60298 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60299 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60300 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" still hanging in there |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60301 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Hunter's site updated |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60302 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: "Sci Fi Now" "Rise" cover |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60303 |
From: Blam |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: A Bit of Conspiracy |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60304 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: A Bit of Conspiracy |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60305 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: A Bit of Conspiracy |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60306 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60307 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Apes exist. Sequel required. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60308 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60309 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60310 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60311 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60312 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60313 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60314 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60315 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: $ 500 million worldwide? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60316 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Anniversary Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60317 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Anniversary Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60318 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Rupert Wyatt talks Scott Frank version of "Rise" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60319 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Rupert Wyatt talks Scott Frank version of "Rise" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60320 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60321 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Rupert Wyatt talks Scott Frank version of "Rise" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60322 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60323 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60324 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60325 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60326 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60327 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60328 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60329 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/7/2011 |
| Subject: Planner of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60330 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60331 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60232 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
.html.html
Thanks.
“Beware the Beast Whitty……”
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011
2:06 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy
Birthday Mr. Whitty
Happy Birthday, Michael!
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
Yes, Happy Birthday
Michael!
His birthday is the same as
Tim Burton's?
Sent:
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty
Have a good one you old fart!
Neil T. Foster
<.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60233 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Imagine a Planet of the Apes |
.html.html
I liked this movie too Jeff but Neil and
Jess are right – they really could have easily done SO much better!
The premise is
interesting and not so far-fetched as it was at the time of the original movie,
given what our laboratories achieve. So I expected an engaging narrative around
hyper-intelligent apes demonstrating how to outsmart the humans by being
incredibly cooperative.
I expected a visionary
tale of wisdom making us silent in the face of the idea of the apes surpassing
us in the evolutionary race. But they weren't more than a growling horde,
really. It was like the movie showed that even sublime intelligence can't find
a way to overthrow the system and that all protest is in vain.
The final key scene on the bridge was
hardly inspiring. The apes climbing on the cables and taking the police by
surprise, the mean ape that was treated with the more powerful brain
regeneration drug was just plain stupid mean, instead of dangerously,
insidiously persuading the others. Imagine a genius dictator who has all the
empathy it takes to win over everybody and exploits it to control all the
others.
They could have shown how the genius
ape had to turn evil because his overabundant intelligence made the world
and all its challenges, both social
and theoretical, appear boring to him. The director could have explored
sociopathic character traits and focus more on the primate's interaction with
each other. It would have been so fascinating to see how the apes operate on
much higher levels of empathy and social intelligence, we could have been
mesmerized by their mind-bogglingly subtle conflict resolution skills, and
smiled at an occasional wink of irony to world leaders of human kind.
A lot has been written about
Hollywood simplicity by Zizek and all that. I would just
like to get the word out that they missed a chance for a great movie here.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011
1:45 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Imagine a
Planet of the Apes
I loved the apes in this movie and they had a great
dynamic of personalities. 'Nuff said.
Sent:
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject:
Re:
[PotaDG] Imagine a Planet of the Apes
I agree as well! Well said!!!
Jess.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:18 PM, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:
<.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60234 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Imagine a Planet of the Apes |
.html
.html
I agree in some areas it could've been better but
not in the way this article is saying. They are just starting out and this guy
wants them to be geniuses? People were complaining the apes were too advanced
already. I thought they apes were believable as beings just coming into
intelligence.
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Imagine a Planet of the Apes
I liked this movie too
Jeff but Neil and Jess are right – they really could have easily done SO much
better!
The
premise is interesting and not so far-fetched as it was at the time of the
original movie, given what our laboratories achieve. So I expected an engaging
narrative around hyper-intelligent apes demonstrating how to outsmart the humans
by being incredibly cooperative.
I
expected a visionary tale of wisdom making us silent in the face of the idea of
the apes surpassing us in the evolutionary race. But they weren't more than a
growling horde, really. It was like the movie showed that even sublime
intelligence can't find a way to overthrow the system and that all protest is in
vain.
The
final key scene on the bridge was hardly inspiring. The apes climbing on the
cables and taking the police by surprise, the mean ape that was treated with the
more powerful brain regeneration drug was just plain stupid mean, instead of
dangerously, insidiously persuading the others. Imagine a genius dictator who
has all the empathy it takes to win over everybody and exploits it to control
all the others.
They
could have shown how the genius ape had to turn evil because his overabundant
intelligence made the world
and
all its challenges, both social and theoretical, appear boring to him. The
director could have explored sociopathic character traits and focus more on the
primate's interaction with each other. It would have been so fascinating to see
how the apes operate on much higher levels of empathy and social intelligence,
we could have been mesmerized by their mind-bogglingly subtle conflict
resolution skills, and smiled at an occasional wink of irony to world leaders of
human kind.
A
lot has been written about Hollywood simplicity by Zizek and all
that. I would just like to get the word out that they missed a chance for a
great movie here.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011 1:45
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Imagine a Planet of
the Apes
I loved the apes in this
movie and they had a great dynamic of personalities. 'Nuff
said.
Sent:
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject:
Re:
[PotaDG] Imagine a Planet of the Apes
I agree as
well! Well said!!!
Jess.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:18 PM, munkeyman63au <
ntfoster@...>
wrote:
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60235 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Questions |
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you would ask someone who works at the Fox archives. If the opportunity presented itself to you, what kinds of questions would you ask?
<.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60236 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Dollies of the Planet of the Apes |
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Here are the first photos of Rainman's Caesar headsculpt. The head will be made to fit a Hot Toys body...unpainted cast will be $40 if you are a Sideshow Freak, $50 if you are not a
member of that forum...$30 probably for shipping and handling to mainland US.
If you want it painted, it will cost more, most definitely. Sculpt is not yet done...but when it's done it will look more like Caesar from Rise.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:11 AM, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:
Wow, does it come with alternate covers?! ;-)
> They have a graphic novel coming with the first 4 comics! What?
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60237 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Questions |
.html.html "where are the PLANET deleted scenes!!!???" Tim
Sent from my iPhone
you would ask someone who works at the Fox archives. If the opportunity presented itself to you, what kinds of questions would you ask?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60238 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
.html.html Happy Birthday Whitttttttyyyyy!!! Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:44 AM, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
Thanks.
"Beware the Beast Whitty……"
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011
2:06 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy
Birthday Mr. Whitty
Happy Birthday, Michael!
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
Yes, Happy Birthday
Michael!
His birthday is the same as
Tim Burton's?
Sent:
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty
Have a good one you old fart!
Neil T. Foster
<.html |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60239 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
.html.html
Thanks Tim!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011
10:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy
Birthday Mr. Whitty
Happy Birthday Whitttttttyyyyy!!!
On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:44 AM, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
Thanks.
“Beware the Beast Whitty……”
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011
2:06 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy
Birthday Mr. Whitty
Happy
Birthday, Michael!
On Wed, Aug 24,
2011 at 8:48 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
Yes, Happy Birthday Michael!
His birthday is the same as Tim Burton's?
Sent:
Wednesday,
August 24, 2011 7:44 PM
Cc:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[PotaDG] Happy
Birthday Mr. Whitty
Have a good one you old fart!
Neil T. Foster
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Message: 60240 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Burton on POTA2001 |
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"To reenergize an idea there's a familiarity
with, you need a unique, individualistic, iconoclastic filmmaker. Tim has that
uncanny ability to walk the line between making very commercial films and yet
very individualistic and distinctive films".
- - - Fox's Tom
Rothman on why Tim Burton was chosen to make POTA2001
It's Tim Burton's birthday! And it's also the
10th anniversary month of POTA2001. Just as POTA fans are giddy about "Rise of
the POTA", exactly 10 years ago they were giggling, "Have YOU seen the latest
POTA2001 comic?" or "How many times have YOU seen POTA2001?". No they weren't.
Tim Burton and POTA fans didn't exactly hit it off. But Burton's movie has it's
admirers and I've always felt the hatred for the film has been over the top
(It's not the worst POTA movie). Burton's career has been in the dumps
creatively ever since but flicks like "Big Fish" and "Sweeney Todd" keep me a
fan.
Anyway, the 2006 revised edition of Mark
Salisbury's interview book "Burton on Burton" has a segment on POTA2001 and I
wanted to share some quotes Burton made a few years removed from the movie. It's
his birthday so give the devil his due. : )
"I'd probably say that it's the first project I've
been involved with where I knew it was... not a mistake, as such, but that it
was the most dangerous, because it's based on a movie I loved growing up. And
it's a classic, and that's like the first rule of thumb - - "Don't try to remake
a classic"... (but) I had an affection for the material and I had that thing
that I sometimes get on a project, which is a perverse fascination of attempting
something you probably shouldn't do".
"I saw POTA as a kid and loved it. It had a lot of
impact. And I saw pretty much all the sequels. So I was a fan, but at the same
time one of the things that made me feel it was OK to do another version was
that it wasn't a remake - - because you can't remake that film. If people like
it so much, like I do, then you just go back and watch it... and I feel in a
certain way you really can't beat it. But knowing that this wasn't necessarily a
remake was helpful - - because then you just focus on the
material".
"What was intriguing to me about it was the
simplicity of the idea - - the reversal. I've done a lot of stuff with masks and
makeup, but there was something about the ape/human thing that was
primal".
William Broyles the screenwriter created the
POTA2001 universe with an eye toward divorcing it from the original movie.
Burton liked Broyles original script and that's what he signed on for but it was
then deemed too expensive; it was more sci-fi oriented and included 3
battles (as if more battles would have made the movie better; I think the battle
is the weakest part of the film). Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal were
brought on to rewrite it.
"And then you get involved and you get it budgeted
and it's something like $800 million (to make Broyles' script)... it was one of
those projects that got into that unfortunate Hollywood spin cycle where
there's a release date and a script that the studio likes but it's too
much, and so you spend months and months not really working on a project but
trying to cut a budget. You hear of it happening all the time in Hollywood - -
why I don't learn my lesson I don't know. I hope I have now, finally. And it
only seems to happen on big-budgeted movies. It happened on
"Batman"."
"I think I was more intrigued by the idea of it
than I was by the thing in itself. And if I searched deep down in my soul, if I
had to start all over, I would probably do a completely different kind of movie
with it... I'd start the whole thing from scratch, it would be a completely
different movie with completely different types of characters.
Maybe."
"...it's a Hollywood thing. There's a momentum
going, and it's so hard to get projects going that you get caught up in the
groundswell of it. And then I started to get into a kind of angry-mode...
counterproductive to making the movie. It started to turn into something else,
it kind of mutated in a way".
"You give it your best, but it's my own fault for
going down that route. I guess I felt, and it's not necessarily a positive
thing, that I'd done it before with "Batman". But it's really not a good way to
work and you don't end up saving money, plus you end up aging and wasting time
and energy and your health declines... I felt like I was spending so much time
fighting these conflicting forces that by the time I was doing it, I was just
"doing it" in a way. Which isn't to say that every day I didn't try to find
something in it for me, because otherwise I couldn't do it. But by that point
you feel like an athlete that gets the shit beaten out of you before a race, and
then you're expected to go win".
"I wanted to keep it serious but you couldn't do
that. The point is not to make it the same... The intention was never for it to
be jokey-jokey. But that's maybe me... there's a certain retro thing inside me,
and why it comes out in a certain way, I'm not sure."
POTA2001 introduced Burton to two very important
people: the love of his life (and leading lady in all of his films since) Helena
Bonham Carter; and Richard Zanuck, who greenlit the original as head of Fox and
has produced almost every Burton film since. On Zanuck: "I love Richard - - he's
fantastic... He amazes me. For somebody who's done and seen so much, he's not
jaded and I admire that. I'm a lot more jaded than he is, and if I'd been
through what he has, I don't know if I could still do it. But he still maintains
a certain innocence... This guy was hired by his father, then fired by his
father, and he's got a sense of humor about it, he's hilarious about it... And
the idea he ran the studio, then he came back to the studio to do (POTA2001) and
they don't even know who he is... it's surreal. But he's seen it all and
therefore he's somebody who has what I think is lacking these days - - he's
completely supportive of the filmmaker... To grow up with a father who was one
of the people who started the whole business, to be head of the studio, then get
canned, then become a successful producer and kind of span generations - - he's
really seen it all".
"(I liked) the juxtaposition of the ape-outsider
and the human-outsider (in the movie). But I also wanted to explore a bit more
of the ape-like aspects of it, and their movement... I like people who act like
animals or vise-versa (Batman, Catwoman and the Penguin are examples)... there
is something about it I feel is important or is something I relate to somehow.
It's just that primal, internal, animal instinct... this was a juxtaposition of
that, along with the flip-flopping of my brain that doesn't necessarily have a
conscious or verbal reasoning. There were also some technical things that I was
interested in exploring: just doing a little bit of ape research and trying to
give them a bit more of a weird mixture of ape mannerisms, and weave that into
the reversal".
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60241 |
From: Graham |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty |
.htmlHappy Birthday Michael hope you have / had a good one
Best,Graham.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
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> Stop saying the "TB" word!!!
>
> Thanks for your birthday wishes.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011 1:48 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, Happy Birthday Michael!
>
> His birthday is the same as Tim Burton's?
>
>
>
> From: Neil T. <mailto:ntfoster@... Foster
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:44 PM
>
> To: 'Sally <mailto:smwhitty@... & Michael'
>
> Cc: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr. Whitty
>
>
>
>
>
> Have a good one you old fart!
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Neil T. Foster
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60242 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 8/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Questions |
.htmlJust a hypothetical question Jess, or have you started a new career there??
You'd have to ask about deleted scenes, like the opening of Escape.
My continuing hope/obsession is to see some sort of collection of the supposedly vast number of production sketches from Planet. Actually I might write to Fox suggesting it. I'd love to see a 50th Anniversary box set
of Boulle's novel, a book of the production art, DVDs of Planet, Burton's Planet, maybe Rise, maybe ep 1 of the TV series (or the TV movie it was made into), maybe ep 1 of the cartoon, and perhaps an audio
adaptation of the novel. In other words, the book and the works it inspired. I could do without Burton and Rise, but Fox might be sweeter on the idea if they were included. Unfortunately, the book just had a recent 3D
cover re-issue and, from what I'm told, some of the art may have been in the Blu-Ray book. But Mentor Huebner's widow told me she also has lots more unseen Planet sketches in her possession.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
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> you would ask someone who works at the Fox archives. If the opportunity
> presented itself to you, what kinds of questions would you ask?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60243 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: generic POTA screenwriter action figure |
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Why have your POTA gorilla action figures punish
just any humans when they can "blame the writer". Here's the figure of an
anonymous, working stiff POTA screenwriter (Rod something) so your apes can
"arrest that creature" the next time you watch a badly written movie. Writers
have no power in the movies, they get rewritten and blamed for everything.
That's what they're for. Sometimes they don't even get invited to the premiere.
So you can let your apes abuse him with a clear conscience.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60244 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure |
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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:37 AM
Subject: generic POTA screenwriter action figure
Why have your POTA gorilla action figures punish
just any humans when they can "blame the writer". Here's the figure of an
anonymous, working stiff POTA screenwriter (Rod something) so your apes can
"arrest that creature" the next time you watch a badly written movie. Writers
have no power in the movies, they get rewritten and blamed for everything.
That's what they're for. Sometimes they don't even get invited to the premiere.
So you can let your apes abuse him with a clear conscience.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60245 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: oooops! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60246 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Questions |
.htmlI'll see if anything happens and I'll let you know. They said it would take some time.
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Neil Moxham <
neilmoxham@...> wrote:
Just a hypothetical question Jess, or have you started a new career there??
You'd have to ask about deleted scenes, like the opening of Escape.
My continuing hope/obsession is to see some sort of collection of the supposedly vast number of production sketches from Planet. Actually I might write to Fox suggesting it. I'd love to see a 50th Anniversary box set
of Boulle's novel, a book of the production art, DVDs of Planet, Burton's Planet, maybe Rise, maybe ep 1 of the TV series (or the TV movie it was made into), maybe ep 1 of the cartoon, and perhaps an audio
adaptation of the novel. In other words, the book and the works it inspired. I could do without Burton and Rise, but Fox might be sweeter on the idea if they were included. Unfortunately, the book just had a recent 3D
cover re-issue and, from what I'm told, some of the art may have been in the Blu-Ray book. But Mentor Huebner's widow told me she also has lots more unseen Planet sketches in her possession.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> you would ask someone who works at the Fox archives. If the opportunity
> presented itself to you, what kinds of questions would you ask?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60247 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Japanese "Rise" commercials |
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These are rocking so don't bother knocking. Thanks
Al!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60248 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: oooops! |
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TOO LATE!!!!!
Nah – just kidding! J
Thanks John.
MIchael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Muppet John
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011
5:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] oooops!
Happy late Birthday Mr. Whitty!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60249 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" looking at # 4 this weekend |
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The box office is taking a back seat to Hurricane
Irene (be safe) but in any case "Rise" is going down. It looks to be # 4 this
weekend with an added $ 8.5 million. It should pass $ 150 million domestic in a
few days but probably won't reach $ 200 million. Will it beat "Thor"? Doubt it.
That's because the apes are a bunch of losers! They never were any damn
good. >: (
I'm sorry, I lost my head. I love you, Dr. Zauis.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60250 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2011 |
| Subject: The courtroom artist from "Escape" |
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Here's an interview with Arnold Mesches, who drew
Zira and Cornelius during the courtroom scene in "Escape" (a task he did
during the famous Manson and Sirhan Sirhan trials).
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60251 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2011 |
| Subject: talkin' "Rise" CG |
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Frans de Waal, famous ape expert, gives an
opposable thumbs up to the new breed of ape found in "Rise":
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60252 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The courtroom artist from "Escape" |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60253 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The courtroom artist from "Escape" |
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I think they did it because he's a local
guy.
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:52 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The courtroom artist from
"Escape"
An odd choice of news story - "Guy who was in one scene in a POTA movie 40
years ago has watched the new POTA movie" - but great (and unexpected) to put a
name to the face. And a very nice sketch too, there's some screen grabs of more
of his sketches in the Miscellaneous folder in the Files section:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Miscellaneous/
---
In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff
K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's an interview with Arnold
Mesches, who drew Zira and Cornelius during the courtroom scene in "Escape" (a
task he did during the famous Manson and Sirhan Sirhan trials). >
>
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110827/ARTICLES/110829629/-1/news?p=1&tc=pg
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60254 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" hits $300 million worldwide |
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This week's foreign numbers are in and "Rise of
the POTA" has passed $300 million worldwide. It's made a couple million more
than "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" did 35 years ago; it's made a few
million more than that "G.I. Joe" movie did a couple years ago (and that's
getting a sequel). And it's about $ 20 million behind "Capt. America" which was
released two weeks earlier. But it's still got a lot of hustling to do to catch
up to "The Smurfs" ($385 million).
In short, not good enough. Now, I want you apes
to get out there and hit them hard! We've got a few more openings left and I
want to see full theaters. Let's go!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60255 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: Hope shall "Rise" |
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OK, so "Rise of the POTA" isn't knocking it out
of the park like we hoped. But it looks like it should at least make it to $400
million worldwide.
Who else was in that ballpark their first time
out as a reboot? Let me tell you. Here's a clue: "I won't kill you, but I don't
have to save you".
Yes, that's right. "Batman Begins" made $372
million worldwide. And look at it now. Over $ 1 billion for the sequel and # 3
is the most anticipated movie of 2012. Well, it would be if it weren't for "The
Hobbit". And who's in "The Hobbit"? That's right, Andy "Rise of the POTA"
Serkis. And who did the FX for "The Hobbit"? Yes, WETA "Rise of the POTA" WETA.
That's right.
Does anyone here like science fiction? What about
the last "Star Trek", how many saw that? Raise your hands. Oh, quite a few. The
sequel to that is highly anticipated, isn't it? That must have made a lot of
money! Did it make a billion dollars? No. It made $ 385 million worldwide.
"Rise" will make at least that, right?
So what does "Rise" have in common with those?
Word of mouth. Can we all say that together? "Word of mouth". That's right.
Because people liked "Rise", didn't they? And they left wanting more. And the
studio knows that long term loyalty is more important than short term profit.
Some people didn't see "Rise" for whatever reason, the economy, the Burton
movie, revenue sharing, whatever. But they'll see it on DVD and Fox is confident
when they do they'll be on board for the sequel. Because that's how franchise
building works. And if Fox doesn't get that, they're what? "Knuckleheads!"
That's right.
So turn that frown upside down and be happy!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60256 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2011 |
| Subject: "New Yorker" review |
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Cool! "Rise of the POTA" in The New
Yorker.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60257 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Re: oooops! |
.html.html Guess I'm really late then in giving my you my birthday best wishes Michael.
Been on vacation. But better really late than never, right?
Dario
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...> wrote:
TOO LATE!!!!!
Nah – just kidding! J
Thanks John.
MIchael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Muppet John
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011
5:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] oooops!
Happy late Birthday Mr. Whitty!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60258 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Re: oooops! |
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Yes – thanks Dario!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2011 4:05
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] oooops!
Guess I'm really late then in giving my you my birthday best wishes
Michael.
But better really late than never, right?
On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...> wrote:
TOO LATE!!!!!
Nah – just kidding! J
Thanks John.
MIchael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Muppet John
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011
5:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] oooops!
Happy
late Birthday Mr. Whitty!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60259 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Apes "rise" to # 3 |
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After "Rise of the POTA" was assumed to be # 4
all weekend, the final numbers reveal it was # 3 behind "The Help" and
"Colombiana. "Rise" wasn't afraid of the dark after all. :
)
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60260 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60261 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/29/2011 |
| Subject: The year of living aperously |
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"Rise of the POTA" is currently # 11 for the year
on the domestic charts:
And # 13 worldwide for the year so
far:
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60262 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/30/2011 |
| Subject: >SPOILER< Will "Star Wars" upstage POTA AGAIN? |
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Many longtime POTA fans feel a certain resentment
about "Star Wars" coming on the scene and eclipsing what the apes did first
(successful sci-fi franchise, merchandise galore). Well, after almost 35 years
of "Star Wars" this and "Star Wars" that, POTA is back, baby, with "Rise of the
POTA". And the thing that seemed to have the biggest impact in "Rise" is when
Caesar had a little something to say about his situation.
Now comes word that the "Star Wars" blu-rays
(arriving in 2 weeks) are going to include some more tinkering (*cough*Han shot
first*cough*). Reportedly this includes Darth Vader dropping the "n" word. So at
the end of the year, will Caesar's big moment be forgotten because of the Man in
Black?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60263 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: >SPOILER< Will "Star Wars" upstage POTA AGAIN? |
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I like Star Wars. I wagged a day off school with a mate to go into Manchester to watch it the first day it was on there, back in the olden days. I've never felt any resentment to it
myself.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> Many longtime POTA fans feel a certain resentment about "Star Wars" coming on the scene and eclipsing what the apes did first (successful sci-fi franchise, merchandise galore). |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60264 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Hunter's site updated |
.htmlGood morning!
I've added some new items to my Apes site, thanks to Lance Brick, Dean
Preston, and Terry Pace.
https://pota.goatley.com/
Hunter |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60265 |
From: brady |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Hunter's site updated |
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Hunter, saw you have some custom ape mego's on
site...here's my work
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:42
AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Hunter's site
updated
Good morning!
I've added some new items to my Apes site, thanks to
Lance Brick, Dean
Preston, and Terry Pace.
https://pota.goatley.com/
Hunter
No virus found in this
message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60266 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" blu-ray announcement imminent |
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I believe Fox will announce the DVD release for
"Rise of the POTA" in the next week or so. Why? Because "Capt. America" came out
two weeks before "Rise" and they've just announced the DVD for Oct. 25th. And
Fox just announced "Water for Elephants" for Nov. 1st. So if "Rise" is going to
come out on my birthday Nov. 8th then it's a given it will be announced next.
What do you mean this isn't about me? <.html |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60267 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas.
So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and
domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and
just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same
proportion that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have
made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled
ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, you
foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >:
(
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60268 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
.htmlProbably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60269 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 8/31/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
.htmlSo true, Neil!
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:44 PM, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:
Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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Message: 60270 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so
much better.
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
Neil
T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
<veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the
mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in
the U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last
weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much
the same proportion that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to
have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has
pulled ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: ( >
> href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm >
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Message: 60271 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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I never said they are better, I just think that Rise is a very average movie. Nothing special apart from some of the computer effects and one actor's 'enhanced' performance.
Therefore I'm not surprised that it hasn't done that great outside of the USA where the audiences usually appreciate a bit more than action and special effects (which are the best bits of Rise.) The script
certainly isn't great.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.
>
>
> From: munkeyman63au
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> >
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60272 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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At least you know what to expect when you
see “Smurfs” and “T3”! And you get it!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011
3:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers
3" are so much better.
Sent:
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could
have been.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
U.S. and domesticalities
("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and just
crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same
proportion that Burton 's
did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead
of in the U.S.
has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought
POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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Message: 60273 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Yeah, well some people seem to think it's
special. With calls for Andy Serkis to get an Oscar nomination and a lot of
great reviews. I just think you're a "Smurfs" fan who's infiltrated this group.
What have you done with Neil?
Let me put it this way: why have the OTHER
average movies done much better than "Rise" overseas?
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:32 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
I never said they are better, I just think that Rise is a very average movie.
Nothing special apart from some of the computer effects and one actor's
'enhanced' performance. Therefore I'm not surprised that it hasn't done that
great outside of the USA where the audiences usually appreciate a bit more than
action and special effects (which are the best bits of Rise.) The script
certainly isn't great.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
<veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers
3" are so much better. >
>
> From: munkeyman63au
>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM > To:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com >
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half >
>
>
> Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have
been. >
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
<veetus@> wrote: > >
> > POTA just doesn't seem to have
the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money
in the U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through
last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty
much the same proportion that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer
seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which
"Rise" has pulled ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up
with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >:
( > >
> >
href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm >
>
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60274 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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According to reviews and random moviegoer
comments, "Rise" gives them more then they expected.
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
At least you know what
to expect when you see “Smurfs” and “T3”! And you get
it!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box
office: half and half
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and
"Transformers 3" are so much better.
Sent:
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Probably
because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
Neil
T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
<veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the
mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in
the U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million
foreign through last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday).
That's pretty much the same proportion that Burton 's did.
The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the
U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60275 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: OT: "Paul Williams: Still Alive" |
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The movies about POTA alumni keep coming. There's
James Franco's bio about Sal Mineo ("Sal"). John Goodman plays John Chambers in
Ben Affleck's "Argo" (what a world). And now there's a documentary about Paul
("Virgil") Williams debuting at the Toronto Film Festival this month. I hope
this doc knows everything about everything about Paul.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60276 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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According to me and many fans I speak to
it gave far less than it should have.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
12:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
According to reviews and random moviegoer comments,
"Rise" gives them more then they expected.
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject:
RE:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
At least you know what to expect when you see “Smurfs”
and “T3”! And you get it!
Michael
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011
3:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.
Sent:
Wednesday,
August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Probably
because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
U.S.
and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through
last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty
much the same proportion that Burton 's
did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead
of in the U.S.
has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought
POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60277 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than Burton's POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not affected by the characters at all,
and I wasn't impressed with the "acting" and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any surprise twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed
away from anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it will do better than Burton's stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of
the nods to the original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...>
wrote:
According to reviews and random moviegoer
comments, "Rise" gives them more then they expected.
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
At least you know what
to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you get
it!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box
office: half and half
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and
"Transformers 3" are so much better.
Sent:
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Probably
because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
Neil
T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
<veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the
mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in
the U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million
foreign through last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday).
That's pretty much the same proportion that Burton's did.
The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the
U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60278 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Fair enough. It's still doing good things for
POTA, including getting people to check out the originals.
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than Burton's
POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the "acting" and
the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they are
satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any
surprise twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable
for me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away
from anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it
will do better than Burton's stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it damned
well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the
original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
According to reviews and random moviegoer
comments, "Rise" gives them more then they expected.
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
At least you know
what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you get
it!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent:
Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box
office: half and half
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and
"Transformers 3" are so much better.
Sent:
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
Probably
because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
Neil
T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So
far "Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157
million foreign through last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic
yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion that
Burton's did. The successful movies this summer
seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which
"Rise" has pulled ahead of in the U.S. has made $
256 million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke
a universal language. >: (
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60279 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Burton’s movie did that to – and there was
a lot more ORIGINAL POTA merchandise brought out then!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
2:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Fair enough. It's still doing good things for POTA,
including getting people to check out the originals.
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject:
Re:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be
better than Burton 's
POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the
"acting" and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less,
so that's why they are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied.
I didn't think the script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum.
There wasn't any surprise twists or plot that made me shake my head and made
the movie memorable for me. When I first saw the preview, I was
stoked. I stayed away from anything that would have a spoiler, which is
really hard to do. So yes, it will do better than
Burton 's stinkfest from 2001 financially,
which it damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the
nods to the original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana
would.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...>
wrote:
According to reviews and
random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives them more then they
expected.
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject:
RE:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
At least you know what to expect when you
see “Smurfs” and “T3”! And you get it!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011
3:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise"
box office: half and half
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers
3" are so much better.
Sent:
Wednesday,
August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could
have been.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
U.S. and domesticalities
("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and just
crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same
proportion that Burton 's
did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead
of in the U.S.
has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought
POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> target="_blank">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60280 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
.htmlSame here, I agree with everything you have written here Jess.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than Burton's
> POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
> affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the "acting"
> and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they
> are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
> script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any surprise
> twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for
> me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away from
> anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it
> will do better than Burton's stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it
> damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the
> original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives
> > them more then they expected.
> >
> > *From:* Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Michael****
> >
> > ****
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com** [**
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**] *On
> > Behalf Of *Jeff K.
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > *To:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
> > *Subject:* Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> ****
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM****
> >
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ****
> >
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the ****U.S.**** and
> > domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend
> > and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the
> > same proportion that ****Burton****'s did. The successful movies this
> > summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs",
> > which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the ****U.S.**** has made $ 256
> > million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a
> > universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> > >****
> >
> >
> >
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60281 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: A Bit of Conspiracy |
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I've had a chance to read a bit, up to chapter 4 and so far this is really, really good! A lot of little explanations for things that make sense, even the dog-tags thing about them not
having the correct wording on them etc. which was much discussed way back when that original painting was released (I remember Anthony being very vocal on that subject at the time!)
Drew, is a copy of the fantastic ship blueprints that are on the inside covers available to download from anywhere? They look great but I'd love to have a 'flat' copy to look at.
Great stuff so far.
Neil T. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60282 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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The difference is "Rise" is making people more
positive toward POTA. Burton turned them off and left all that merchandise
gathering dust. That's why there's no merchandise now. And just as well, since
this isn't the right economy for that.
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
BurtonÂ’s movie did that
to – and there was a lot more ORIGINAL POTA merchandise brought out
then!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 2:57
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box
office: half and half
Fair enough. It's still
doing good things for POTA, including getting people to check out the
originals.
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject:
Re:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
The sad
thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than
Burton 's POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a
fabulous film. I was not affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't
impressed with the "acting" and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today
expect less, so that's why they are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not
satisfied. I didn't think the script was particularly brilliant, rather ho
hum. There wasn't any surprise twists or plot that made me shake my head
and made the movie memorable for me. When I first saw the preview, I was
stoked. I stayed away from anything that would have a spoiler, which is
really hard to do. So yes, it will do better than Burton 's
stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it damned well should. Just color
me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the original films made me gag
actually, worse than a banana would.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <
veetus@...>
wrote:
According to reviews and
random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives them more then they expected.
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject:
RE:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
At
least you know what to expect when you see “Smurfs” and “T3”! And you get
it!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box
office: half and half
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and
"Transformers 3" are so much better.
Sent:
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could
have been.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
wrote:
>
> POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far
"Rise of the POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
U.S. and domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million
foreign through last weekend and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday).
That's pretty much the same proportion that Burton 's did.
The successful movies this summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money
overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the
U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
>
> target=_blank>http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
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Message: 60283 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Yeah, well they've already announced your
"Smurfs" sequel. We Ape fans want a sequel too. So shoosh! >:
(
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
Same here, I agree with everything you have written here Jess.
Neil
T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich
<jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is I expected
more, hoping it would be better than Burton's > POS, and yes, while it was
better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not > affected by the characters
at all, and I wasn't impressed with the "acting" > and the CGI. I guess
movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they > are satisfied with
Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the > script was
particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any surprise > twists
or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for > me.
When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away from > anything
that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it > will
do better than Burton's stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it > damned
well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the > original
films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would. >
> On Thu,
Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote: >
> >
** > >
> >
> > **
> > According to reviews
and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives > > them more then they
expected. > >
> > *From:* Sally & Michael
<smwhitty@...> > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07
AM > > *To:* href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> >
*Subject:* RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half >
>
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect
when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you > > get it!
>
>
> > ****
> >
> > Michael****
>
>
> > ****
> > ------------------------------
>
>
> > *From:* href="mailto:%2A%2APotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
[ **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**]
*On > > Behalf Of *Jeff K.
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 1 September
2011 3:05 PM > > *To:* href="mailto:%2A%2APotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
>
> *Subject:* Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half****
>
>
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.**** >
>
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* munkeyman63au
<ntfoster@...> **** > >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August
31, 2011 8:44 PM**** > >
> > *To:*
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com **** >
>
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half**** > >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
>
>
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have
been. > >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
<veetus@> wrote: > > >
> > > POTA just doesn't
seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the > > POTA" seems to
have made half it's money in the ****U.S.**** and > > domesticalities
("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend > > and just
crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the > >
same proportion that ****Burton****'s did. The successful movies this >
> summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The
Smurfs", > > which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the ****U.S.**** has
made $ 256 > > million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I
thought POTA spoke a > > universal language. >: (
> >
>
> > > href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
>
> >****
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 60284 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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I think they can still make a great sequel!
I also think it will be a better BR
release than the original movie which even the moist BLINDLY loyal apes fan
will have to admit was CUT TO SHREDS!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
9:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Yeah, well they've already announced your
"Smurfs" sequel. We Ape fans want a sequel too. So shoosh!
>: (
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Same here, I agree with everything you have written
here Jess.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than
w:st="on"> Burton 's
> POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
> affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the
"acting"
> and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they
> are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
> script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any
surprise
> twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for
> me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away from
> anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it
> will do better than Burton 's
stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it
> damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the
> original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise"
gives
> > them more then they expected.
> >
> > *From:* Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Michael****
> >
> > ****
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
[**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**]
*On
> > Behalf Of *Jeff K.
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > *To:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
> > *Subject:* Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so
much better.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> ****
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM****
> >
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
****
> >
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far
"Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the ****
w:st="on"> U.S. **** and
> > domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend
> > and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much
the
> > same proportion that **** Burton ****'s
did. The successful movies this
> > summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even
"The Smurfs",
> > which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the ****
w:st="on"> U.S. **** has
made $ 256
> > million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA
spoke a
> > universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> > >****
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 60285 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
.htmlHere's to hoping that a great sequel will be made.
Kudos to Rise for getting Planet of the Apes back in people's minds....so in that way, hurray!
I don't really want merchandise for this movie...it wasn't that spectacular. Who wants a bunch of hairy naked apes anyway?
Looking forward to what Fox will milk out of their cash cow. Jess. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Sally & Michael
<smwhitty@...> wrote:
I think they can still make a great sequel!
I also think it will be a better BR
release than the original movie which even the moist BLINDLY loyal apes fan
will have to admit was CUT TO SHREDS!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
9:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Yeah, well they've already announced your
"Smurfs" sequel. We Ape fans want a sequel too. So shoosh!
>: (
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Same here, I agree with everything you have written
here Jess.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than Burton's
> POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
> affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the
"acting"
> and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they
> are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
> script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any
surprise
> twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for
> me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away from
> anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it
> will do better than Burton's
stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it
> damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the
> original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise"
gives
> > them more then they expected.
> >
> > *From:* Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Michael****
> >
> > ****
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
[**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**]
*On
> > Behalf Of *Jeff K.
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > *To:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
> > *Subject:* Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so
much better.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> ****
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM****
> >
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
****
> >
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far
"Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the ****U.S.**** and
> > domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend
> > and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much
the
> > same proportion that ****Burton****'s
did. The successful movies this
> > summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even
"The Smurfs",
> > which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the ****U.S.**** has
made $ 256
> > million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA
spoke a
> > universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> > >****
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 60286 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Also, one more thing to add. Everyone's got their opinions, and I respect everyone's opinions. It's just that I'm way more right than you are. Ha!
(Just kidding). :P
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:57 PM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
Here's to hoping that a great sequel will be made.
Kudos to Rise for getting Planet of the Apes back in people's minds....so in that way, hurray!
I don't really want merchandise for this movie...it wasn't that spectacular. Who wants a bunch of hairy naked apes anyway?
Looking forward to what Fox will milk out of their cash cow.
Jess.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...> wrote:
I think they can still make a great sequel!
I also think it will be a better BR
release than the original movie which even the moist BLINDLY loyal apes fan
will have to admit was CUT TO SHREDS!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
9:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Yeah, well they've already announced your
"Smurfs" sequel. We Ape fans want a sequel too. So shoosh!
>: (
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Same here, I agree with everything you have written
here Jess.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than Burton's
> POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
> affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the
"acting"
> and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they
> are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
> script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any
surprise
> twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for
> me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away from
> anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it
> will do better than Burton's
stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it
> damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the
> original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise"
gives
> > them more then they expected.
> >
> > *From:* Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Michael****
> >
> > ****
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
[**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**]
*On
> > Behalf Of *Jeff K.
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > *To:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
> > *Subject:* Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so
much better.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> ****
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM****
> >
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
****
> >
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far
"Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the ****U.S.**** and
> > domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend
> > and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much
the
> > same proportion that ****Burton****'s
did. The successful movies this
> > summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even
"The Smurfs",
> > which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the ****U.S.**** has
made $ 256
> > million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA
spoke a
> > universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> > >****
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 60287 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/1/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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…which is why I just AGREE with you woman!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
12:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Also, one more thing to add. Everyone's got their
opinions, and I respect everyone's opinions. It's just that I'm way more
right than you are.
Ha!
(Just kidding).
:P
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:57 PM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
Here's to hoping that a great sequel will be made.
Kudos to Rise for getting Planet of the Apes back in people's minds....so in
that way, hurray!
I don't really want merchandise for this movie...it wasn't that
spectacular. Who wants a bunch of hairy naked apes anyway?
Looking forward to what Fox will milk out of their cash cow.
Jess.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
wrote:
I think they can still make a great
sequel!
I also think it will be a better BR
release than the original movie which even the moist BLINDLY loyal apes fan
will have to admit was CUT TO SHREDS!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
9:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Yeah, well they've already announced your
"Smurfs" sequel. We Ape fans want a sequel too. So shoosh!
>: (
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Same here, I agree with everything you have written
here Jess.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than
w:st="on"> Burton 's
> POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
> affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the
"acting"
> and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they
> are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
> script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any
surprise
> twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for
> me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away from
> anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it
> will do better than Burton 's
stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it
> damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the
> original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise"
gives
> > them more then they expected.
> >
> > *From:* Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Michael****
> >
> > ****
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* target="_blank">**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com** [
**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**]
*On
> > Behalf Of *Jeff K.
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > *To:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
> > *Subject:* Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so
much better.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> ****
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM****
> >
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
****
> >
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far
"Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the ****
w:st="on"> U.S. **** and
> > domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend
> > and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much
the
> > same proportion that **** Burton ****'s
did. The successful movies this
> > summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even
"The Smurfs",
> > which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the ****
w:st="on"> U.S. **** has
made $ 256
> > million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA
spoke a
> > universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > target="_blank">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> > >****
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60288 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise down? I enjoyed it. It may not have been Planet but it was far better than what most non-apes fans expected & that's pretty impressive.
Lot's of people I know who found my love of Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this movie & shown interest in the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking all age groups from my 11yr old son & his
friends, 20 somethings from the tattoo shop, to guys I work with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie. It's a shame that the only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people who are the franchises
biggest fans.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> According to me and many fans I speak to it gave far less than it should
> have.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives them more
> then they expected.
>
>
>
> From: Sally <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Michael
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you
> get it!
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.
>
> From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@...>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
> POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities
> ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and just crossed
> $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion
> that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made
> 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled
> ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
> you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm> &p=.htm
> >
> |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60289 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
.htmlI am not hating it. I'm not loving it either. There...for what it's worth, my two cents.
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Muppet John <
DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise down? I enjoyed it. It may not have been Planet but it was far better than what most non-apes fans expected & that's pretty impressive. Lot's of people I
know who found my love of Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this movie & shown interest in the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking all age groups from my 11yr old son & his friends, 20
somethings from the tattoo shop, to guys I work with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie. It's a shame that the only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people who are the franchises biggest fans.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> According to me and many fans I speak to it gave far less than it should
> have.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives them more
> then they expected.
>
>
>
> From: Sally <mailto: smwhitty@...> & Michael
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you
> get it!
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: <mailto: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.
>
> From: munkeyman63au <mailto: ntfoster@...>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
> POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities
> ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and just crossed
> $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion
> that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made
> 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled
> ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
> you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> < http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm> &p=.htm
> >
>
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60290 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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.html
Hear! Hear! Bravo! Tell it like it is,
brother!
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise down? I enjoyed it. It may
not have been Planet but it was far better than what most non-apes fans expected
& that's pretty impressive. Lot's of people I know who found my love of
Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this movie & shown interest in
the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking all age groups from my 11yr
old son & his friends, 20 somethings from the tattoo shop, to guys I work
with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie. It's a shame that the only ones
I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people who are the franchises biggest
fans.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally &
Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> According to me and many
fans I speak to it gave far less than it should > have.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of > Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com >
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half >
>
>
>
>
> According to reviews and random moviegoer
comments, "Rise" gives them more > then they expected.
>
>
>
> From: Sally <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Michael
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
>
> To: href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> At least you know what to expect
when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you > get it!
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
>
From: <mailto: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com >
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff K. > Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com >
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half >
>
>
> Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much
better. >
> From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@...>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
>
> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com >
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have
been. >
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
<veetus@> wrote: > >
> > POTA just doesn't seem to have
the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the > POTA" seems to have made half
it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities > ("Rise" has made $157 million
foreign through last weekend and just crossed > $150 million domestic
yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion > that Burton's did.
The successful movies this summer seem to have made > 2/3rds of their
money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled > ahead of in
the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that, > you
foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: ( > >
> > href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261 >
< http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm>
&p=.htm > >
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60291 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Apegu$t |
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Box Office Mojo reports that "Rise of the POTA"
was the biggest August release in the U.S., earning $ 151.5 million during the
month. Probably this Labor Day weekend will be the Apes' last hurrah before they
go to that big blu ray in the sky (on November 8th!).
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60292 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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I’m not badmouthing it John –
I liked it!
Neil didn’t like it as much as I did
and after listening to his reasons, I have to agree.
I still liked the movie and I liked things
about the movie, but originally I guess I was so pleased it wasn’t total
shit, that I didn’t think about the points Neil and others have brought
up.
It was probably the last time in our
lifetime they could have REALLY got it right and the things they fucked up
could have been picked up in the script and fixed – so how the hell did
they fuck up?
Was it a requirement that people reading the script were on acid?
It’s true that it’s very sloppy and that means the people making
the movies think apes fans are not worthy of an intelligent story that’s
not sloppy still – that’s what I don’t like!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Muppet John
Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011
9:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise
down? I enjoyed it. It may not have been Planet but it was far better than what
most non-apes fans expected & that's pretty impressive. Lot's of people I
know who found my love of Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this
movie & shown interest in the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking
all age groups from my 11yr old son & his friends, 20 somethings from the
tattoo shop, to guys I work with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie.
It's a shame that the only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people
who are the franchises biggest fans.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> According to me and many fans I speak to it gave far less than it should
> have.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives
them more
> then they expected.
>
>
>
> From: Sally <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Michael
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> get it!
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much
better.
>
> From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@...>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise
of the
> POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
w:st="on"> U.S. and
domesticalities
> ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and
just crossed
> $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion
> that Burton 's
did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made
> 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which
"Rise" has pulled
> ahead of in the U.S.
has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
> you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm>
&p=.htm
> >
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60293 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/2/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Absolutely tell it like it is! If you
want to be censored – well it’s not what we do on this group!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011
11:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Hear! Hear! Bravo! Tell it like it is, brother!
Sent:
Friday,
September 02, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise
down? I enjoyed it. It may not have been Planet but it was far better than what
most non-apes fans expected & that's pretty impressive. Lot's of people I
know who found my love of Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this
movie & shown interest in the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking
all age groups from my 11yr old son & his friends, 20 somethings from the
tattoo shop, to guys I work with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie.
It's a shame that the only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people
who are the franchises biggest fans.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> According to me and many fans I speak to it gave far less than it should
> have.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives
them more
> then they expected.
>
>
>
> From: Sally <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Michael
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> get it!
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much
better.
>
> From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@...>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise
of the
> POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
w:st="on"> U.S. and
domesticalities
> ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and
just crossed
> $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion
> that Burton 's
did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made
> 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which
"Rise" has pulled
> ahead of in the U.S.
has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
> you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm>
&p=.htm
> >
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60294 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" labors this weekend |
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"Rise of the POTA" is expected to be out of the
Top 5 this weekend with an estimated $10 million for the 4 days. It's like
watching an old race horse struggling to make it around the track. I can't
watch! : (
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60295 |
From: Muppet John |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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I agree that it seems the movie was edited poorly & there seems to be things that were visibly cut out of the final film but some of the over analyzing of the story seems a bit much. Paul
Dehn's stories were pretty bad if you examine the details too closely but it's Sci-fi & it's fun. I hate to see Apes fans turning into Star Trek fans & taking it all too serious. I know the reason so many
people enjoyed Rise was because they weren't die hard fans & didn't dwell on story holes or the nods to the classics. Rise felt like a Planet of the Apes movie to me. It fit in that realm much better than Tim
Burton's vision. Maybe I was easily impressed?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not badmouthing it John - I liked it!
>
>
>
> Neil didn't like it as much as I did and after listening to his reasons, I
> have to agree.
>
>
>
> I still liked the movie and I liked things about the movie, but originally I
> guess I was so pleased it wasn't total shit, that I didn't think about the
> points Neil and others have brought up.
>
>
>
> It was probably the last time in our lifetime they could have REALLY got it
> right and the things they fucked up could have been picked up in the script
> and fixed - so how the hell did they fuck up?
>
> Was it a requirement that people reading the script were on acid?
>
> It's true that it's very sloppy and that means the people making the movies
> think apes fans are not worthy of an intelligent story that's not sloppy
> still - that's what I don't like!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> Muppet John
> Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011 9:14 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise down? I enjoyed it. It may
> not have been Planet but it was far better than what most non-apes fans
> expected & that's pretty impressive. Lot's of people I know who found my
> love of Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this movie & shown
> interest in the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking all age groups
> from my 11yr old son & his friends, 20 somethings from the tattoo shop, to
> guys I work with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie. It's a shame
> that the only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people who are the
> franchises biggest fans.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
> Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > According to me and many fans I speak to it gave far less than it should
> > have.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > Jeff K.
> > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives them more
> > then they expected.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sally <mailto:smwhitty@> & Michael
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> >
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> >
> PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Jeff K.
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.
> >
> > From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@>
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
> >
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jeff
> K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities
> > ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and just
> crossed
> > $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion
> > that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made
> > 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled
> > ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
> > you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> > <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm> &p=.htm> &p=.htm
> > >
> >
> |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60296 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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I agree, John. "Rise" has shortcomings but overall
I think it's a powerful story and more grown up than Hollywood usually lets
their blockbusters be. I'm just glad it's knocking most peoples' socks off.
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 11:15 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
I agree that it seems the movie was edited poorly & there seems to be
things that were visibly cut out of the final film but some of the over
analyzing of the story seems a bit much. Paul Dehn's stories were pretty bad if
you examine the details too closely but it's Sci-fi & it's fun. I hate to
see Apes fans turning into Star Trek fans & taking it all too serious. I
know the reason so many people enjoyed Rise was because they weren't die hard
fans & didn't dwell on story holes or the nods to the classics. Rise felt
like a Planet of the Apes movie to me. It fit in that realm much better than Tim
Burton's vision. Maybe I was easily impressed?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally &
Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not badmouthing it John
- I liked it! >
>
>
> Neil didn't like it as much as
I did and after listening to his reasons, I > have to agree.
>
>
>
> I still liked the movie and I liked things about the
movie, but originally I > guess I was so pleased it wasn't total shit,
that I didn't think about the > points Neil and others have brought
up. >
>
>
> It was probably the last time in our
lifetime they could have REALLY got it > right and the things they fucked
up could have been picked up in the script > and fixed - so how the hell
did they fuck up? >
> Was it a requirement that people reading the
script were on acid? >
> It's true that it's very sloppy and that
means the people making the movies > think apes fans are not worthy of an
intelligent story that's not sloppy > still - that's what I don't
like! >
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of > Muppet John
> Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011 9:14 AM
>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com >
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half >
>
>
>
>
> Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise
down? I enjoyed it. It may > not have been Planet but it was far better
than what most non-apes fans > expected & that's pretty impressive.
Lot's of people I know who found my > love of Planet of the Apes weird
have really embraced this movie & shown > interest in the classic apes
because of it, & I'm talking all age groups > from my 11yr old son
& his friends, 20 somethings from the tattoo shop, to > guys I work
with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie. It's a shame > that the
only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people who are the >
franchises biggest fans. >
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally & > Michael"
<smwhitty@> wrote: > >
> > According to me and many fans
I speak to it gave far less than it should > > have.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> > [ href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of
> > Jeff
K. > > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> > To:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to reviews and random
moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives them more > > then they expected.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sally
<mailto:smwhitty@> & Michael > >
> > Sent:
Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM > >
> > To:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> > >
> > Subject: RE:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what
to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you > > get it!
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
>
>
> > _____
> >
> > From: <mailto: href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> > > href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> > > [ href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Jeff K.
>
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > To: href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half > >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much
better. > >
> > From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@>
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
>
>
> > To: href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> > >
> > Subject:
[PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half > >
> >
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it
could have been. > >
> > Neil T.
> >
> >
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jeff > K." <veetus@>
wrote: > > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the
mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the > > POTA" seems to have made half
it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities > > ("Rise" has made $157
million foreign through last weekend and just > crossed
> > $150
million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion > >
that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made >
> 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has
pulled > > ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's
up with that, > > you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal
language. >: ( > > >
> > >
href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261 >
> < href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261 >
< http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm>
&p=.htm> &p=.htm > > >
>
>
>
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60297 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Frank Capra Jr. |
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Ed Gross is digging into the "POTA Revisited"
vault for his Ape Central website. Here's part of an interview with Apjac
producer Frank Capra Jr.
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60298 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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Well, that’s what I thought too
(that I was easily impressed). But no, it really wasn’t BAD (IMHO),
it just makes me angry it wasn’t AWESOME! I mean, John, Neil and I
had you and about 5 others read the THIRD draft of BEGINS and the entire thing
was re written because these 6 people pointed out inconsistencies. So if
I can do that for a comic, then why can’t FOX do that for a film that’s
going to make them MILLIONS? Because they don’t give a shit! It’s
just showing what FOX still thinks of APES and I was hoping that could CHANGE
in my lifetime (and I’ve given a hell of a lot to try to give them a
direction).
And to say the original movies were flawed
is correct John, but I don’t actually watch them much now I have grown
up! I do LOVE them but I simply CANNOT stay awake for the TV Show and it’s
getting to be YEARS between watching the movies now. Fox could have fixed
that for the next lot and they didn’t.
So while I actually ENJOYED the new movie,
after analysis I have to say I am upset that they did not give it that extra
ten minutes to make it more realistic. I hope the Blu Ray has all the
extra footage and it all makes sense (or a bit more!) and the sequels are more
cerebral and less action, but alas I believe FOX will think “They ate our
shit, let’s put some sawdust in with it next time! YEHAAAAA!!!!”.
mICHAEL
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Muppet John
Sent: Sunday, 4 September 2011
4:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
I agree that it seems the movie was edited poorly
& there seems to be things that were visibly cut out of the final film but
some of the over analyzing of the story seems a bit much. Paul Dehn's stories
were pretty bad if you examine the details too closely but it's Sci-fi &
it's fun. I hate to see Apes fans turning into Star Trek fans & taking it
all too serious. I know the reason so many people enjoyed Rise was because they
weren't die hard fans & didn't dwell on story holes or the nods to the classics.
Rise felt like a Planet of the Apes movie to me. It fit in that realm much
better than Tim Burton's vision. Maybe I was easily impressed?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not badmouthing it John - I liked it!
>
>
>
> Neil didn't like it as much as I did and after listening to his reasons, I
> have to agree.
>
>
>
> I still liked the movie and I liked things about the movie, but originally
I
> guess I was so pleased it wasn't total shit, that I didn't think about the
> points Neil and others have brought up.
>
>
>
> It was probably the last time in our lifetime they could have REALLY got
it
> right and the things they fucked up could have been picked up in the
script
> and fixed - so how the hell did they fuck up?
>
> Was it a requirement that people reading the script were on acid?
>
> It's true that it's very sloppy and that means the people making the
movies
> think apes fans are not worthy of an intelligent story that's not sloppy
> still - that's what I don't like!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
> Muppet John
> Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011 9:14 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
>
>
> Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise down? I enjoyed it. It
may
> not have been Planet but it was far better than what most non-apes fans
> expected & that's pretty impressive. Lot 's
of people I know who found my
> love of Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this movie &
shown
> interest in the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking all age
groups
> from my 11yr old son & his friends, 20 somethings from the tattoo
shop, to
> guys I work with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie. It's a shame
> that the only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people who are
the
> franchises biggest fans.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
> Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > According to me and many fans I speak to it gave far less than it
should
> > have.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > Jeff K.
> > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise"
gives them more
> > then they expected.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sally <mailto:smwhitty@> & Michael
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> >
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> >
> PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Jeff K.
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so
much better.
> >
> > From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@>
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
> >
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jeff
> K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far
"Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the
w:st="on"> U.S. and
domesticalities
> > ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend
and just
> crossed
> > $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same
proportion
> > that Burton 's
did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made
> > 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which
"Rise" has pulled
> > ahead of in the U.S.
has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
> > you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> > <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm>
&p=.htm> &p=.htm
> > >
> >
>
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60299 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/3/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
.htmlIf Rise really is 'grown up' the world of movies really is in trouble.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I agree, John. "Rise" has shortcomings but overall I think it's a powerful story and more grown up than Hollywood usually lets their blockbusters be. I'm just glad it's knocking most
peoples' socks off.
>
>
> From: Muppet John
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 11:15 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
>
>
>
> I agree that it seems the movie was edited poorly & there seems to be things that were visibly cut out of the final film but some of the over analyzing of the story seems a bit much. Paul Dehn's stories were
pretty bad if you examine the details too closely but it's Sci-fi & it's fun. I hate to see Apes fans turning into Star Trek fans & taking it all too serious. I know the reason so many people enjoyed Rise was
because they weren't die hard fans & didn't dwell on story holes or the nods to the classics. Rise felt like a Planet of the Apes movie to me. It fit in that realm much better than Tim Burton's vision. Maybe
I was easily impressed?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not badmouthing it John - I liked it!
> >
> >
> >
> > Neil didn't like it as much as I did and after listening to his reasons, I
> > have to agree.
> >
> >
> >
> > I still liked the movie and I liked things about the movie, but originally I
> > guess I was so pleased it wasn't total shit, that I didn't think about the
> > points Neil and others have brought up.
> >
> >
> >
> > It was probably the last time in our lifetime they could have REALLY got it
> > right and the things they fucked up could have been picked up in the script
> > and fixed - so how the hell did they fuck up?
> >
> > Was it a requirement that people reading the script were on acid?
> >
> > It's true that it's very sloppy and that means the people making the movies
> > think apes fans are not worthy of an intelligent story that's not sloppy
> > still - that's what I don't like!
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> > Muppet John
> > Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011 9:14 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Why does everyone in this group keep putting Rise down? I enjoyed it. It may
> > not have been Planet but it was far better than what most non-apes fans
> > expected & that's pretty impressive. Lot's of people I know who found my
> > love of Planet of the Apes weird have really embraced this movie & shown
> > interest in the classic apes because of it, & I'm talking all age groups
> > from my 11yr old son & his friends, 20 somethings from the tattoo shop, to
> > guys I work with in their late 40's all enjoyed this movie. It's a shame
> > that the only ones I hear bad mouthing the movie are the people who are the
> > franchises biggest fans.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
> > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> > >
> > > According to me and many fans I speak to it gave far less than it should
> > > have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Jeff K.
> > > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 12:17 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise" gives them more
> > > then they expected.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Sally <mailto:smwhitty@> & Michael
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> > >
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and "T3"! And you
> > > get it!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf Of Jeff K.
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so much better.
> > >
> > > From: munkeyman63au <mailto:ntfoster@>
> > >
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM
> > >
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> > >
> > > Neil T.
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jeff
> > K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far "Rise of the
> > > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the U.S. and domesticalities
> > > ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign through last weekend and just
> > crossed
> > > $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much the same proportion
> > > that Burton's did. The successful movies this summer seem to have made
> > > 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even "The Smurfs", which "Rise" has pulled
> > > ahead of in the U.S. has made $ 256 million foreign. What's up with that,
> > > you foreigners? I thought POTA spoke a universal language. >: (
> > > >
> > > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> > > <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261
> > <http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm> &p=.htm> &p=.htm
> > > >
> > >
> >
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60300 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: "Rise" still hanging in there |
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Even with all the new movies, "Rise" is still
swimming with the fish (or the sharks). Currently it's looking like # 5 but it's
pretty tight, in the $10 -12 million range for everybody but "The Help" ($18
million). If anyone here has $1 million to spend at the movies, "Rise" could use
your help. Sorry, "help" was the wrong choice of words. Two more days to go in
the 4-day weekend. Could it rise again?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60301 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Hunter's site updated |
.htmlWow, there's some great stuff there.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "brady" <keaneau2@...> wrote:
>
> Hunter, saw you have some custom ape mego's on site...here's my work
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/51912757@N02/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hunter Goatley
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:42 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Hunter's site updated
>
>
>
> Good morning!
>
> I've added some new items to my Apes site, thanks to Lance Brick, Dean
> Preston, and Terry Pace.
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>
>
>
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>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60302 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: "Sci Fi Now" "Rise" cover |
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Here's a cool "Rise" cover for the U.K. mag "Sci
Fi Now". Thanks to Al for the heads up.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60303 |
From: Blam |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: A Bit of Conspiracy |
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We are thinking about putting together a dowloadable special about the making of the full liberty 1 with Andrew Probert. Also, we will be releasing wallpapers soon for free on my revised
blamventures website- and the blueprints will be one of them!
Drew
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I've had a chance to read a bit, up to chapter 4 and so far this is really, really good! A lot of little explanations for things that make sense, even the dog-tags thing about them not having the correct wording
on them etc. which was much discussed way back when that original painting was released (I remember Anthony being very vocal on that subject at the time!)
>
> Drew, is a copy of the fantastic ship blueprints that are on the inside covers available to download from anywhere? They look great but I'd love to have a 'flat' copy to look at.
>
> Great stuff so far.
>
> Neil T.
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60304 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: A Bit of Conspiracy |
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Hey Drew,
I picked up "Conspiracy" and will read it soon.
The illustrations are beautiful.
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Bit of Conspiracy
We are thinking about putting together a dowloadable special about the making
of the full liberty 1 with Andrew Probert. Also, we will be releasing wallpapers
soon for free on my revised blamventures website- and the blueprints will be one
of them!
Drew
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au"
<ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I've had a chance to read a bit, up
to chapter 4 and so far this is really, really good! A lot of little
explanations for things that make sense, even the dog-tags thing about them not
having the correct wording on them etc. which was much discussed way back when
that original painting was released (I remember Anthony being very vocal on that
subject at the time!) >
> Drew, is a copy of the fantastic ship
blueprints that are on the inside covers available to download from anywhere?
They look great but I'd love to have a 'flat' copy to look at. >
>
Great stuff so far. >
> Neil T.
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60305 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/4/2011 |
| Subject: Re: A Bit of Conspiracy |
.html.html
I bought mine from BORDERS and the
following day Neil tells me they take weeks to deliver! L
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011
10:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: A Bit of
Conspiracy
I picked up "Conspiracy" and will read it
soon. The illustrations are beautiful.
Sent:
Sunday,
September 04, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: A Bit of Conspiracy
We are thinking about putting together a dowloadable
special about the making of the full liberty 1 with Andrew Probert. Also, we
will be releasing wallpapers soon for free on my revised blamventures website-
and the blueprints will be one of them!
Drew
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I've had a chance to read a bit, up to chapter 4 and so far this is
really, really good! A lot of little explanations for things that make sense,
even the dog-tags thing about them not having the correct wording on them etc.
which was much discussed way back when that original painting was released (I
remember Anthony being very vocal on that subject at the time!)
>
> Drew, is a copy of the fantastic ship blueprints that are on the inside
covers available to download from anywhere? They look great but I'd love to
have a 'flat' copy to look at.
>
> Great stuff so far.
>
> Neil T.
>
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 60306 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: "Rise" box office: half and half |
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I was just thinking yesterday it would be cool to have small statues of Caesar, Maurice and Buck!
Tim
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Here's to hoping that a great sequel will be made. Kudos to Rise for getting Planet of the Apes back in people's minds....so in that way, hurray!
I don't really want merchandise for this movie...it wasn't that spectacular. Who wants a bunch of hairy naked apes anyway?
Looking forward to what Fox will milk out of their cash cow. Jess. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
wrote:
I think they can still make a great sequel!
I also think it will be a better BR
release than the original movie which even the moist BLINDLY loyal apes fan
will have to admit was CUT TO SHREDS!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011
9:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:
"Rise" box office: half and half
Yeah, well they've already announced your
"Smurfs" sequel. We Ape fans want a sequel too. So shoosh!
>: (
Sent:
Thursday,
September 01, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Re: "Rise" box office: half and half
Same here, I agree with everything you have written
here Jess.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is I expected more, hoping it would be better than Burton's
> POS, and yes, while it was better it wasn't a fabulous film. I was not
> affected by the characters at all, and I wasn't impressed with the
"acting"
> and the CGI. I guess movie goers of today expect less, so that's why they
> are satisfied with Rise. I for one am not satisfied. I didn't think the
> script was particularly brilliant, rather ho hum. There wasn't any
surprise
> twists or plot that made me shake my head and made the movie memorable for
> me. When I first saw the preview, I was stoked. I stayed away from
> anything that would have a spoiler, which is really hard to do. So yes, it
> will do better than Burton's
stinkfest from 2001 financially, which it
> damned well should. Just color me unimpressed. Many of the nods to the
> original films made me gag actually, worse than a banana would.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > According to reviews and random moviegoer comments, "Rise"
gives
> > them more then they expected.
> >
> > *From:* Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:07 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* RE: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half
> >
> >
> >
> > At least you know what to expect when you see "Smurfs" and
"T3"! And you
> > get it!
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Michael****
> >
> > ****
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
[**PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**]
*On
> > Behalf Of *Jeff K.
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 1 September 2011 3:05 PM
> > *To:* **PotaDG@yahoogroups.com**
> > *Subject:* Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Yeah, "The Smurfs" and "Transformers 3" are so
much better.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > *From:* munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> ****
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:44 PM****
> >
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
****
> >
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" box office: half and
half****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Probably because it's not as good a movie as it could have been.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
"Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > POTA just doesn't seem to have the mojo overseas. So far
"Rise of the
> > POTA" seems to have made half it's money in the ****U.S.**** and
> > domesticalities ("Rise" has made $157 million foreign
through last weekend
> > and just crossed $150 million domestic yesterday). That's pretty much
the
> > same proportion that ****Burton****'s
did. The successful movies this
> > summer seem to have made 2/3rds of their money overseas. Even
"The Smurfs",
> > which "Rise" has pulled ahead of in the ****U.S.**** has
made $ 256
> > million foreign. What's up with that, you foreigners? I thought POTA
spoke a
> > universal language. >: (
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3261&p=.htm
> > >****
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60307 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Apes exist. Sequel required. |
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"We're ready to move onto the next phase".
- - - Will Rodman in "Rise of the POTA"
Still no confirmation of a sequel to "Rise" but
Fox's Tom Rothman has admitted to the NY Times that there was a "great upside"
to "Rise" and their "X-Men" prequel, and the Times are running with the idea
that sequels are a given. In fact it would be cool if Fox sent the "Rise"
writers an e-mail with the same title as this post, the same message famously
given Paul Dehn to continue the franchise despite the end of the world in
"Beneath".
Thanks to Al for the heads-up.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60308 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to do with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see it. So I've no idea how you
guys received it in general, but as someone who ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along
and got me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
But...
What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes, satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous
movies or TV shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got
that there were metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of the Star Trek reboot from last year...which
SEEMED like it was part of the same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek, favoring explosions over character and thought.
Amazing.
Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling
and the gang were getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion). Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the
other SIX, as Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...)
Ty the Guy Templeton. -- Ty Templeton's Art Land www.tytempleton.com
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60309 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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Good. You'll be right at home here.
Traitor! >: (
Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's
is more like the originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose
in comparing this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary; the
idea with "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were
tied somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real
comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I
thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe cutting,
which we'll find out with the DVD.
I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his
search for who he is and his journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a
remake of "Conquest" with science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been
having an impact because it's NOT just one action scene after another. People
friggin' love Caesar. Hopefully with the sequels where the apes start building
their society it'll get more into social commentary (if the studio will let
them). This one is primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I
don't deny there's some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me.
But most of the people here didn't love it so
you'll hear plenty of those opinions.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to do
with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone
who ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
First
off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was probably
a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got me to
the action sequences in a timely manner.
But...
What the
hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was a
thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes, satires,
social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV shows. It
was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the producers ever
watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on in all the
other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were metaphors
involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the same
franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek, favoring
explosions over character and thought.
Amazing.
Now, I'm happy to
see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did they get the basic
idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming that finally deals
with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were getting at. This
was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories to be sure, but
hollow and sugary, and little else.
Loved John Lithgow,
though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
I'm curious about
the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did anyone just hate
it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion). Did anyone think
it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as Burton's film is far
more like POTA than this is...)
Ty the Guy Templeton.
--
Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60310 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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You should go back and read all the comments on this group about it Ty and you will see that quite a few of us (especially me it seems) didn't like it very much. I agree with most of
what you have written here, it really is not a good movie and for me it is NOT POTA.
You will also find a lot of apes fans saying it is the greatest thing ever! I really don't understand how so many die hard Apes fans think it is so great, because it's made Apes semi-popular again maybe? I really
don't know, I do wonder though if some of the fans who have been gushing about it would be doing so if it was the same story but with zombies or something instead of Apes? Maybe then they would be joining in and
ripping this turkey to pieces as well?
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to
> do with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
> it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone who
> ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
> Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
>
> First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
> every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was
> probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got
> me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
>
> But...
>
> What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was
> a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes,
> satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV
> shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the
> producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on
> in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were
> metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
> theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
> the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the
> same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek,
> favoring explosions over character and thought.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did
> they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming
> that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were
> getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories
> to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
>
> Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
>
> I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did
> anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion).
> Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as
> Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...)
>
> Ty the Guy Templeton.
>
> --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land
> www.tytempleton.com
>
> http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
>
> www.twitter.com/tytempleton
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60311 |
From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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I'm not even sure I would say that I didn't love it. I've loved every Ape thing ever, including the Burton film (I'm the lone nut that enjoyed that one). Beneath was the
first movie I ever saw in a theater when I was five, and it's clouded my brain ever since. I was only wondering if people had the same thoughts about wanting more from it than it seemed willing to give. I'm
a big fan of Conquest, btw, it's my second favorite of the series, and I said this was an alternative timeline to Conquest when describing the film to my wife when I got home, almost quoting your line verbatim
("where it's science not slavery"). And you're right, Caesar is a great character, trying to find a home for himself.
Slightly off topic, but I wondered why the girlfriend of the main character had to be written out of the final scene with her "distract the cops while you go off alone" moment. I think it was odd that she
and Caesar wouldn't have had an important relationship worth exploring as she was there for practically his entire life, but the authors took her out of the scene in the park at the end. They played her as a prop,
rather than as a character for much of the film.
I'm glad to hear you loved it. I did too while I was watching it, but felt oddly let-down when I was thinking about it hours later. I'm very much looking forward to the DVD to see what we all missed as
well.
Ty the Guy On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Jeff K. <
veetus@...> wrote:
Good. You'll be right at home here.
Traitor! >: (
Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's
is more like the originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose
in comparing this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary; the
idea with "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were
tied somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real
comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I
thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe cutting,
which we'll find out with the DVD.
I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his
search for who he is and his journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a
remake of "Conquest" with science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been
having an impact because it's NOT just one action scene after another. People
friggin' love Caesar. Hopefully with the sequels where the apes start building
their society it'll get more into social commentary (if the studio will let
them). This one is primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I
don't deny there's some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me.
But most of the people here didn't love it so
you'll hear plenty of those opinions.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to do
with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone
who ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
First
off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was probably
a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got me to
the action sequences in a timely manner.
But...
What the
hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was a
thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes, satires,
social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV shows. It
was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the producers ever
watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on in all the
other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were metaphors
involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the same
franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek, favoring
explosions over character and thought.
Amazing.
Now, I'm happy to
see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did they get the basic
idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming that finally deals
with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were getting at. This
was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories to be sure, but
hollow and sugary, and little else.
Loved John Lithgow,
though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
I'm curious about
the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did anyone just hate
it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion). Did anyone think
it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as Burton's film is far
more like POTA than this is...)
Ty the Guy Templeton.
--
Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com
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www.tytempleton.com
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From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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Well, unlike you, I thought it was a great movie. It gave me all I wanted from a summer blockbuster. I just didn't think it earned it's POTA cred is all. I really was
entertained by it, and had a great time.
I'm so on the fence about it. I can't fault the director or the filmmakers for doing a great job with the script they had. I just think the script could have substituted intelligent tigers or intelligent
robots for the misunderstood creatures fighting for freedom and it would have been the same film. Yet again, I film I would have enjoyed, but wouldn't have felt was based on the broad satirical and deviously
subtle ideas of Boulle and Serling at all.
I'm a moderate stuck between Reds and Blues here. Very much liked the movie. Didn't think it earned its title. Ty the Guy
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:53 PM, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:
You should go back and read all the comments on this group about it Ty and you will see that quite a few of us (especially me it seems) didn't like it very much. I agree with most of what you have written here, it
really is not a good movie and for me it is NOT POTA.
You will also find a lot of apes fans saying it is the greatest thing ever! I really don't understand how so many die hard Apes fans think it is so great, because it's made Apes semi-popular again maybe? I really
don't know, I do wonder though if some of the fans who have been gushing about it would be doing so if it was the same story but with zombies or something instead of Apes? Maybe then they would be joining in and
ripping this turkey to pieces as well?
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to
> do with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
> it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone who
> ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
> Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
>
> First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
> every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was
> probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got
> me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
>
> But...
>
> What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was
> a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes,
> satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV
> shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the
> producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on
> in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were
> metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
> theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
> the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the
> same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek,
> favoring explosions over character and thought.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did
> they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming
> that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were
> getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories
> to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
>
> Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
>
> I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did
> anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion).
> Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as
> Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...)
>
> Ty the Guy Templeton.
>
> --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land
> www.tytempleton.com
>
> http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
>
> www.twitter.com/tytempleton
>
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www.tytempleton.com
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Message: 60313 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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If it was the same movie with zombies I'd still
love it because it would still have a soul. The Apes canon includes "Beneath"
and "Battle", which I also like, but it's not exactly this pure thing. I'd say
"Rise" is my third favorite "Ape" movie after POTA68 and "Escape" so I don't
just like it because it's Apes. I guess different people like different things
about Apes.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
You should go back and read all the comments on this group about it Ty and
you will see that quite a few of us (especially me it seems) didn't like it very
much. I agree with most of what you have written here, it really is not a good
movie and for me it is NOT POTA.
You will also find a lot of apes fans
saying it is the greatest thing ever! I really don't understand how so many die
hard Apes fans think it is so great, because it's made Apes semi-popular again
maybe? I really don't know, I do wonder though if some of the fans who have been
gushing about it would be doing so if it was the same story but with zombies or
something instead of Apes? Maybe then they would be joining in and ripping this
turkey to pieces as well?
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton
<tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> I've been studiously avoiding any and
all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to > do with this movie until my work
schedule permitted me the day off to go see > it. So I've no idea how you
guys received it in general, but as someone who > ate, slept and breathed
APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the > Planet of the Apes, I
have a few things to say about it... >
> First off: The movie
entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned > every now and then at
the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was > probably a few too many
of them). And the basic script moved along and got > me to the action
sequences in a timely manner. >
> But...
>
> What the
hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was > a
thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes, >
satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV >
shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the >
producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going
on > in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there
were > metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK
sign. In > theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me
a little of > the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it
was part of the > same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the
intelligence of Trek, > favoring explosions over character and
thought. >
> Amazing.
>
> Now, I'm happy to see a
renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did > they get the basic
idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming > that finally
deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were > getting at.
This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories > to be
sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else. >
> Loved John
Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining? >
> I'm
curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did > anyone
just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion). > Did
anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as >
Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...) >
> Ty the Guy
Templeton. >
> --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land
>
www.tytempleton.com >
>
href="http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage">http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage >
> www.twitter.com/tytempleton
>
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Message: 60314 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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Well, I think it’s a common thread
that people who require a well written story were disappointed…. ;)
Ty, I enjoyed it. I agree totally with
you it’s missing SOMETHING and I hope it’s all explained in the
BluRay release (you can easily tell it’s been HACKED to bits).
I can’t just say positive things
about it because it was missing any concern from FOX about plot holes –
did anyone view it critically? Is it that difficult to read a draft and point
out problems/fix them?
I don’t hate it, I just wish in my
lifetime they could have cared enough to make it better than they did.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011
8:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late to the
party, I just saw Rise yesterday
Good. You'll be right at home here.
Traitor! >: (
Just kidding. I definitely disagree that
Burton 's is more like the
originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose in
comparing this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary;
the idea with "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But
I think their hands were tied somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the
Humans. I think the only real comparisons could be made to "Escape"
(which was better) and "Conquest" (I thought "Rise" was
better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe cutting, which
we'll find out with the DVD.
I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and
his search for who he is and his journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much
a remake of "Conquest" with science instead of slavery as a culprit.
It's been having an impact because it's NOT just one action scene after
another. People friggin' love Caesar. Hopefully with the sequels where the apes
start building their society it'll get more into social commentary (if the
studio will let them). This one is primitive apes so there was only so much
they could do. I don't deny there's some plot holes but no "deal
breakers" for me.
But most of the people here didn't love it so
you'll hear plenty of those opinions.
Sent:
Monday,
September 05, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject:
[PotaDG]
Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
I've been
studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to do with this
movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see it. So
I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone who ate, slept
and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the Planet of the
Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I
grinned every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was
probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and
got me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
But...
What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything.
It was a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes,
satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV
shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the
producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going
on in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were
metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK
sign. In theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It
reminded me a little of the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like
it was part of the same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the
intelligence of Trek, favoring explosions over character and thought.
Amazing.
Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did
they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming
that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were
getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty
calories to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it?
Did anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my
opinion). Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the
other SIX, as Burton 's
film is far more like POTA than this is...)
Ty the Guy Templeton.
--
Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com
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Message: 60315 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/5/2011 |
| Subject: $ 500 million worldwide? |
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Will "Rise of the POTA" do it? It's still got
Colombia, Italy and Japan to open in. It's expected to be # 5 this weekend with
$ 162 million domestic, $ 185 million foreign for a grand total of $ 347 million
worldwide so far. If it hits $ 500 mil it'll be Fox's biggest hit of the year,
have beat all the comic book movies and whooped Burton's flick (even counting
inflation). Plus "half a billion" kind of rolls off the tongue. It still won't
pass "Little Fockers" but that's a battle for another day.
$ 500 million. Will it do
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Date: 9/5/2011 |
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Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Rupert Wyatt talks Scott Frank version of "Rise" |
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Considering how badly screenwriters are often
treated in Hollywood, one of the nice things about "Rise of the POTA" is the
rise of it's screenwriters. "Rise" owes it's existence to Rick Jaffa having the
idea to modernize POTA in the first place. As often happens, eventually the
original writer was replaced, in this case by Scott Frank. Frank is an acclaimed
screenwriter ("Minority Report", "Get Shorty") who had likewise made an
acclaimed directorial debut with "The Lookout". But Frank didn't work out and
Fox went back to the original writers and brought in Rupert Wyatt to direct. Not
only that but the writers were eventually given producer positions to see their
baby through. Some cried foul at the loss of Scott Frank (and those who
have a problem with the "Rise" script probably still do). But as screenwriter
stories go it's an inspiring one of perseverance. Jaffa and Amanda Silver worked
on "Rise" from 2006 until it's release.
Rupert Wyatt set the record straight recently
that Scott Frank didn't originate "Rise" and said what he knows about that
version. He says, "I think (it) dealt with Caesar as more of a Frankenstein
(monster) in a cage at home. I'm not really sure, but it was a very different
spin. He left. He didn't see eye to eye, as far as I know, with what the studio
wanted".
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Message: 60319 |
From: Sally & Michael |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Rupert Wyatt talks Scott Frank version of "Rise" |
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Yeah – it was too intelligent! J
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011
12:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com;
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Rupert Wyatt
talks Scott Frank version of "Rise"
Considering how badly screenwriters are often
treated in Hollywood ,
one of the nice things about "Rise of the POTA" is the rise of it's
screenwriters. "Rise" owes it's existence to Rick Jaffa having the idea
to modernize POTA in the first place. As often happens, eventually the original
writer was replaced, in this case by Scott Frank. Frank is an acclaimed
screenwriter ("Minority Report", "Get Shorty") who had
likewise made an acclaimed directorial debut with "The Lookout". But
Frank didn't work out and Fox went back to the original writers and brought in
Rupert Wyatt to direct. Not only that but the writers were eventually given
producer positions to see their baby through. Some cried foul at the loss
of Scott Frank (and those who have a problem with the "Rise" script
probably still do). But as screenwriter stories go it's an inspiring one of
perseverance. Jaffa
and Amanda Silver worked on "Rise" from 2006 until it's release.
Rupert Wyatt set the record straight recently that
Scott Frank didn't originate "Rise" and said what he knows about that
version. He says, "I think (it) dealt with Caesar as more of a
Frankenstein (monster) in a cage at home. I'm not really sure, but it was a
very different spin. He left. He didn't see eye to eye, as far as I know, with
what the studio wanted".
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Message: 60320 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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I agree Ty.....I wanted more....I'm sure that there was a
more thought provoking serious movie but was cut down to be just mostly action.....
another thought I had on my second viewing....it thought it was weird that after having lived with
Caesar for many years , when they got to Muir Woods, Will was surprised by
Caesar's
"request' hand gesture...Freida (don't remember her character's name) had to explain what that meant....surely Caesar would have done it before! and/or WIll would have read all he could about
chimps! or she would have taught him!
Tim
From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:50 PM
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
I'm not even sure I would say that I didn't love it. I've loved every Ape thing ever, including the Burton film (I'm the lone nut that enjoyed that one). Beneath was the first movie I ever saw
in a theater when I was five, and it's clouded my brain ever since. I was only wondering if people had the same thoughts about wanting more from it than it seemed willing to give. I'm a big fan of
Conquest, btw, it's my second favorite of the series, and I said this was an alternative
timeline
to Conquest when describing the film to my wife when I got home, almost quoting your line verbatim ("where it's science not slavery"). And you're right, Caesar is a great character, trying
to find a home for himself.
Slightly off topic, but I wondered why the girlfriend of the main character had to be written out of the final scene with her "distract the cops while you go off alone" moment. I think it was odd that
she and Caesar wouldn't have had an important relationship worth exploring as she was there for practically his entire life, but the authors took her out of the scene in the park at the end. They played her as
a prop, rather than as a character for much of the film.
I'm glad to hear you loved it. I did too while I was watching it, but felt oddly let-down when I was thinking about it hours later. I'm very much looking forward to the DVD to see what we all
missed as well.
Ty the Guy On Mon,
Sep 5, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...>
wrote:
Good. You'll be right at home here.
Traitor! >: (
Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's
is more like the originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose
in comparing this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary; the
idea with "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were
tied somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real
comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I
thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe cutting,
which we'll find out with the DVD.
I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his
search for who he is and his journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a
remake of "Conquest" with science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been
having an impact because it's NOT just one action scene after another. People
friggin' love Caesar. Hopefully with the sequels where the apes start building
their society it'll get more into social commentary (if the studio will let
them). This one is primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I
don't deny there's some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me.
But most of the people here didn't love it so
you'll hear plenty of those opinions.
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to do
with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone
who ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it... First
off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was probably
a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got me to
the action sequences in a timely manner. But... What the
hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was a
thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes, satires,
social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV shows. It
was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the producers ever
watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on in all the
other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were metaphors
involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the same
franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek, favoring
explosions over character and thought. Amazing. Now, I'm happy to
see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did they get the basic
idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming that finally deals
with the things that Boulle, Serling
and the gang were getting at. This
was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories to be sure, but
hollow and sugary, and little else. Loved John Lithgow,
though. When is he ever less than entertaining? I'm curious about
the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did anyone just hate
it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion). Did anyone think
it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as Burton's film is far
more like POTA than this is...) Ty the Guy Templeton. --
Ty Templeton's Art Land www.tytempleton.com
-- Ty Templeton's Art Land www.tytempleton.com
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60321 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Rupert Wyatt talks Scott Frank version of "Rise" |
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Yet it's still so full of plot holes and other crap stuff? So they either don't care or they are not very good at their job(s).
Or maybe it just proves that the world really is a dumber place these days.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> Jaffa and Amanda Silver worked on "Rise" from 2006 until it's release. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60322 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
.htmlJust another one to add to the long, long list of things wrong with this movie.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
> another thought I had on my second viewing....it thought it was weird that after having lived with Caesar for many years , when they got to Muir Woods, Will was surprised by Caesar's "request' hand
gesture...Freida (don't remember her character's name) had to explain what that meant....surely Caesar would have done it before! and/or WIll would have read all he could about chimps! or she would have taught
him! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60323 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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Can someone explain again what plot holes were there? The only one I picked up on was the other apes in the sanctuary getting smart too fast.
I personally don't think it was bad either, it certainly wasn't a 'turkey'.
Mel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I think it's a common thread that people who require a well written
> story were disappointed.. ;)
>
>
>
> Ty, I enjoyed it. I agree totally with you it's missing SOMETHING and I
> hope it's all explained in the BluRay release (you can easily tell it's been
> HACKED to bits).
>
>
>
> I can't just say positive things about it because it was missing any concern
> from FOX about plot holes - did anyone view it critically? Is it that
> difficult to read a draft and point out problems/fix them?
>
>
>
> I don't hate it, I just wish in my lifetime they could have cared enough to
> make it better than they did.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:32 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
>
>
>
>
>
> Good. You'll be right at home here. Traitor! >: (
>
>
>
> Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's is more like the
> originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose in comparing
> this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary; the idea with
> "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were tied
> somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real
> comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I
> thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe
> cutting, which we'll find out with the DVD.
>
> I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his search for who he is and his
> journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a remake of "Conquest" with
> science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been having an impact because
> it's NOT just one action scene after another. People friggin' love Caesar.
> Hopefully with the sequels where the apes start building their society it'll
> get more into social commentary (if the studio will let them). This one is
> primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I don't deny there's
> some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me.
>
> But most of the people here didn't love it so you'll hear plenty of those
> opinions.
>
>
>
> From: Ty Templeton <mailto:tybunny@...>
>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
>
>
>
>
>
> I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to
> do with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
> it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone who
> ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
> Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
>
> First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
> every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was
> probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got
> me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
>
> But...
>
> What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was
> a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes,
> satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV
> shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the
> producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on
> in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were
> metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
> theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
> the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the
> same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek,
> favoring explosions over character and thought.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did
> they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming
> that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were
> getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories
> to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
>
> Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
>
> I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did
> anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion).
> Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as
> Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...)
>
> Ty the Guy Templeton.
>
> --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land
> www.tytempleton.com
>
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
>
> www.twitter.com/tytempleton
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60324 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
.htmlBut Mel if we did that then we'd be nitpicking....
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:10 PM, knightangel314 <chimel23@...
> wrote:
Can someone explain again what plot holes were there? The only one I picked up on was the other apes in the sanctuary getting smart too fast.
I personally don't think it was bad either, it certainly wasn't a 'turkey'.
Mel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote: >
> Well, I think it's a common thread that people who require a well written
> story were disappointed.. ;) > > > > Ty, I enjoyed it. I agree totally with you it's missing SOMETHING and I
> hope it's all explained in the BluRay release (you can easily tell it's been
> HACKED to bits). > > > > I can't just say positive things about it because it was missing any concern > from FOX about plot holes - did anyone view it critically? Is it that
> difficult to read a draft and point out problems/fix them?
> > > > I don't hate it, I just wish in my lifetime they could have cared enough to > make it better than they did. > > > > Michael > > >
> _____ > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K. > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:32 AM > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
> > > > > > Good. You'll be right at home here. Traitor! >: ( > > > > Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's is more like the
> originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose in comparing
> this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary; the idea with > "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were tied
> somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real
> comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I > thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe
> cutting, which we'll find out with the DVD.
> > I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his search for who he is and his > journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a remake of "Conquest" with
> science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been having an impact because
> it's NOT just one action scene after another. People friggin' love Caesar. > Hopefully with the sequels where the apes start building their society it'll
> get more into social commentary (if the studio will let them). This one is
> primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I don't deny there's > some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me. >
> But most of the people here didn't love it so you'll hear plenty of those
> opinions. > > > > From: Ty Templeton <mailto: tybunny@...>
> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
> > > > > > I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to > do with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
> it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone who
> ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the > Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it... >
> First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
> every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was > probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got > me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
>
> But... > > What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was > a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes,
> satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV
> shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the > producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on
> in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were
> metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In > theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
> the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the
> same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek, > favoring explosions over character and thought. > > Amazing. >
> Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did
> they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming > that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were
> getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories
> to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else. > > Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining? >
> I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did
> anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion). > Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as
> Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...)
> > Ty the Guy Templeton. > > -- > Ty Templeton's Art Land > www.tytempleton.com > >
> > http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
> > www.twitter.com/tytempleton>
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Message: 60325 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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How did they not know Bright Eyes was pregnant if
she was their subject? Why didn't Freida Pinto the chimp expert not know Caesar
was "different" in 5 years? Where did "the law" go after they crossed the
bridge? How did the zoo apes get smart so fast? How come Franco looks the same
after 8 years? How come it was so easy for Gen-Sys to test drugs? How come none
of the apes showed injury jumping out those high windows?
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
But Mel if we did that then we'd be nitpicking....
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:10 PM, knightangel314 <chimel23@...>
wrote:
Can someone explain again what plot holes were there? The only one I picked
up on was the other apes in the sanctuary getting smart too fast.
I
personally don't think it was bad either, it certainly wasn't a
'turkey'.
Mel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael"
<smwhitty@...> wrote: > > Well, I think it's a common thread
that people who require a well written > story were disappointed..
;) > > > > Ty, I enjoyed it. I agree totally with
you it's missing SOMETHING and I > hope it's all explained in the BluRay
release (you can easily tell it's been > HACKED to bits). >
> > > I can't just say positive things about it because
it was missing any concern > from FOX about plot holes - did anyone view
it critically? Is it that > difficult to read a draft and point out
problems/fix them? > > > > I don't hate it, I just
wish in my lifetime they could have cared enough to > make it better
than they did. > > > > Michael > >
> > _____ > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jeff K. >
Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:32 AM > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late to
the party, I just saw Rise yesterday > > > >
> > Good. You'll be right at home here. Traitor! >: ( >
> > > Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's
is more like the > originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on
the nose in comparing > this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less
social commentary; the idea with > "Trek" was to marry it with "Star
Wars"). But I think their hands were tied > somewhat in setting it on
the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real > comparisons could be
made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I > thought "Rise"
was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe > cutting, which
we'll find out with the DVD. > > I loved it. It's "about" Caesar
and his search for who he is and his > journey to becoming a leader.
It's pretty much a remake of "Conquest" with > science instead of
slavery as a culprit. It's been having an impact because > it's NOT just
one action scene after another. People friggin' love Caesar. > Hopefully
with the sequels where the apes start building their society it'll > get
more into social commentary (if the studio will let them). This one is >
primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I don't deny
there's > some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me. >
> But most of the people here didn't love it so you'll hear plenty of
those > opinions. > > > > From:
Ty Templeton <mailto: tybunny@...>
> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM >
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [PotaDG]
Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday > > >
> > > I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews,
spoilers or ANYTHING to > do with this movie until my work schedule
permitted me the day off to go see > it. So I've no idea how you guys
received it in general, but as someone who > ate, slept and breathed
APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the > Planet of the Apes,
I have a few things to say about it... > > First off: The movie
entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned > every now and then at
the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was > probably a few too
many of them). And the basic script moved along and got > me to the
action sequences in a timely manner. > > But... > >
What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It
was > a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the
themes, > satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous
movies or TV > shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the
burger. Did the > producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no
idea what was going on > in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton
movie got that there were > metaphors involved. This was as
straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In > theme and feel it was more
like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of > the Star Trek reboot
from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the > same franchise,
but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek, > favoring
explosions over character and thought. > > Amazing. >
> Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but
how did > they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a
sequel coming > that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling
and the gang were > getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun,
exciting empty calories > to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little
else. > > Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than
entertaining? > > I'm curious about the reactions you guys had.
Did anyone love it? Did > anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to
be hateful in my opinion). > Did anyone think it belongs with the other
six? (Yes the other SIX, as > Burton's film is far more like POTA than
this is...) > > Ty the Guy Templeton. > > --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land > www.tytempleton.com > > > >
http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage> >
www.twitter.com/tytempleton>
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From: Ty Templeton |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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Oddly enough, I let a lot of the plot holes go by as necessary evils of scripting (such as "explaining" the hand gestures though they'd obviously know what they were...that
was for the audience in the theater, with characters behaving as a Greek chorus). But it DID bother me that the apes were able to repeatedly smash through glass windows and not suffer horrible cuts and broken legs
after dropping down six or seven stories. That stopped me a bit as the suspension of disbelief was gone for those things. A simply line about the Gen-Sys drugs making them semi-invulnerable would have been
outrageous, but would have dealt with so strange a super-power, especially considering Caesar's fall from the sanctuary tree clearly winded him after a much smaller drop.
And yeah, Bright Eyes was not only pregnant, but had given birth to a chimp that was clearly a few days old. That was an amazing lapse in scripting for a test animal who was meant to be their showcase animal could
have THAT private an existence for months. That moment caused me to giggle out loud in the theater. These are moments that can be solved with a well written line here and there explaining that they were aware that the
chimp had given birth but had sneaked out of her cage, and retrieved her child, THEN was protecting it later. Also the protective instincts of a mother should have made her defend the cage, not bolt away from it as
fast as possible.
Again...I liked the movie, but thought the script was very thin and weak. Ty the Guy.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
How did they not know Bright Eyes was pregnant if
she was their subject? Why didn't Freida Pinto the chimp expert not know Caesar
was "different" in 5 years? Where did "the law" go after they crossed the
bridge? How did the zoo apes get smart so fast? How come Franco looks the same
after 8 years? How come it was so easy for Gen-Sys to test drugs? How come none
of the apes showed injury jumping out those high windows?
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
But Mel if we did that then we'd be nitpicking....
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:10 PM, knightangel314 <chimel23@...>
wrote:
Can someone explain again what plot holes were there? The only one I picked
up on was the other apes in the sanctuary getting smart too fast.
I
personally don't think it was bad either, it certainly wasn't a
'turkey'.
Mel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael"
<smwhitty@...> wrote: > > Well, I think it's a common thread
that people who require a well written > story were disappointed..
;) > > > > Ty, I enjoyed it. I agree totally with
you it's missing SOMETHING and I > hope it's all explained in the BluRay
release (you can easily tell it's been > HACKED to bits). >
> > > I can't just say positive things about it because
it was missing any concern > from FOX about plot holes - did anyone view
it critically? Is it that > difficult to read a draft and point out
problems/fix them? > > > > I don't hate it, I just
wish in my lifetime they could have cared enough to > make it better
than they did. > > > > Michael > >
> > _____ > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K. >
Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:32 AM > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late to
the party, I just saw Rise yesterday > > > >
> > Good. You'll be right at home here. Traitor! >: ( >
> > > Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's
is more like the > originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on
the nose in comparing > this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less
social commentary; the idea with > "Trek" was to marry it with "Star
Wars"). But I think their hands were tied > somewhat in setting it on
the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real > comparisons could be
made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I > thought "Rise"
was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe > cutting, which
we'll find out with the DVD. > > I loved it. It's "about" Caesar
and his search for who he is and his > journey to becoming a leader.
It's pretty much a remake of "Conquest" with > science instead of
slavery as a culprit. It's been having an impact because > it's NOT just
one action scene after another. People friggin' love Caesar. > Hopefully
with the sequels where the apes start building their society it'll > get
more into social commentary (if the studio will let them). This one is >
primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I don't deny
there's > some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me. >
> But most of the people here didn't love it so you'll hear plenty of
those > opinions. > > > > From:
Ty Templeton <mailto: tybunny@...>
> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM >
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [PotaDG]
Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday > > >
> > > I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews,
spoilers or ANYTHING to > do with this movie until my work schedule
permitted me the day off to go see > it. So I've no idea how you guys
received it in general, but as someone who > ate, slept and breathed
APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the > Planet of the Apes,
I have a few things to say about it... > > First off: The movie
entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned > every now and then at
the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was > probably a few too
many of them). And the basic script moved along and got > me to the
action sequences in a timely manner. > > But... > >
What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It
was > a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the
themes, > satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous
movies or TV > shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the
burger. Did the > producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no
idea what was going on > in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton
movie got that there were > metaphors involved. This was as
straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In > theme and feel it was more
like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of > the Star Trek reboot
from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the > same franchise,
but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek, > favoring
explosions over character and thought. > > Amazing. >
> Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but
how did > they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a
sequel coming > that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling
and the gang were > getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun,
exciting empty calories > to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little
else. > > Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than
entertaining? > > I'm curious about the reactions you guys had.
Did anyone love it? Did > anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to
be hateful in my opinion). > Did anyone think it belongs with the other
six? (Yes the other SIX, as > Burton's film is far more like POTA than
this is...) > > Ty the Guy Templeton. > > --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land > www.tytempleton.com > > > >
http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
> >
www.twitter.com/tytempleton>
--
Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60328 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/6/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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This stuff just plain didn't bother
me, I was carried along by the good stuff. It's a busy lab and they overlooked
the pregnancy? OK, stranger things have happened. Apes are stronger than us so
they could maybe take the windows and the fall better than us, and they're
pumped up on adrenaline. OK, stranger things have happened. None of them were
deal breakers. I still think overall "Rise" had an intelligent
script.
Sharks don't do some of the things "Jaws"
did. There's no sound in space so half the sci-fi movies are invalid. The blood
transfusion in the original POTA was B.S. Welcome to the
movies.
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
Oddly enough, I let a lot of the plot holes go by as necessary evils of
scripting (such as "explaining" the hand gestures though they'd obviously know
what they were...that was for the audience in the theater, with characters
behaving as a Greek chorus). But it DID bother me that the apes were able
to repeatedly smash through glass windows and not suffer horrible cuts and
broken legs after dropping down six or seven stories. That stopped me a
bit as the suspension of disbelief was gone for those things. A simply
line about the Gen-Sys drugs making them semi-invulnerable would have been
outrageous, but would have dealt with so strange a super-power, especially
considering Caesar's fall from the sanctuary tree clearly winded him after a
much smaller drop.
And yeah, Bright Eyes was not only pregnant,
but had given birth to a chimp that was clearly a few days old. That was
an amazing lapse in scripting for a test animal who was meant to be their
showcase animal could have THAT private an existence for months. That
moment caused me to giggle out loud in the theater. These are moments that can
be solved with a well written line here and there explaining that they were
aware that the chimp had given birth but had sneaked out of her cage, and
retrieved her child, THEN was protecting it later. Also the protective
instincts of a mother should have made her defend the cage, not bolt away from
it as fast as possible.
Again...I liked the movie, but thought the
script was very thin and weak.
Ty the Guy.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...>
wrote:
How did they not know Bright Eyes was pregnant
if she was their subject? Why didn't Freida Pinto the chimp expert not know
Caesar was "different" in 5 years? Where did "the law" go after they crossed
the bridge? How did the zoo apes get smart so fast? How come Franco looks the
same after 8 years? How come it was so easy for Gen-Sys to test drugs? How
come none of the apes showed injury jumping out those high windows?
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise
yesterday
But Mel if we did that then we'd be nitpicking....
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:10 PM, knightangel314 <chimel23@...> wrote:
Can someone explain again what plot holes were there? The only one I
picked up on was the other apes in the sanctuary getting smart too
fast.
I personally don't think it was bad either, it certainly wasn't
a 'turkey'.
Mel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael"
<smwhitty@...> wrote: > > Well, I think it's a common
thread that people who require a well written > story were
disappointed.. ;) > > > > Ty, I enjoyed it. I
agree totally with you it's missing SOMETHING and I > hope it's all
explained in the BluRay release (you can easily tell it's been >
HACKED to bits). > > > > I can't just say
positive things about it because it was missing any concern > from FOX
about plot holes - did anyone view it critically? Is it that >
difficult to read a draft and point out problems/fix them? > >
> > I don't hate it, I just wish in my lifetime they could
have cared enough to > make it better than they did. > >
> > Michael > > > > _____ >
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jeff
K. > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:32 AM > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late
to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday > > > >
> > Good. You'll be right at home here. Traitor! >:
( > > > > Just kidding. I definitely disagree
that Burton's is more like the > originals than "Rise". I think you're
pretty much on the nose in comparing > this to the new "Star Trek"
(flashier, less social commentary; the idea with > "Trek" was to marry
it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were tied > somewhat in
setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real >
comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest"
(I > thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some
severe > cutting, which we'll find out with the DVD. > >
I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his search for who he is and his >
journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a remake of "Conquest"
with > science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been having an
impact because > it's NOT just one action scene after another. People
friggin' love Caesar. > Hopefully with the sequels where the apes
start building their society it'll > get more into social commentary
(if the studio will let them). This one is > primitive apes so there
was only so much they could do. I don't deny there's > some plot holes
but no "deal breakers" for me. > > But most of the people here
didn't love it so you'll hear plenty of those > opinions. >
> > > From: Ty Templeton <mailto: tybunny@...>
> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM > >
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [PotaDG]
Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday > > >
> > > I've been studiously avoiding any and all
reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to > do with this movie until my work
schedule permitted me the day off to go see > it. So I've no idea how
you guys received it in general, but as someone who > ate, slept and
breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the > Planet
of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it... > > First
off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned >
every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there
was > probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved
along and got > me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
> > But... > > What the hell was this about? It
didn't seem to be about anything. It was > a thriller/monster/action
picture with no resemblance to the themes, > satires, social
commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV > shows. It
was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the > producers
ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on > in
all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were >
metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign.
In > theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a
little of > the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it
was part of the > same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the
intelligence of Trek, > favoring explosions over character and
thought. > > Amazing. > > Now, I'm happy to see a
renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did > they get the
basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming > that
finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were >
getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty
calories > to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
> > Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than
entertaining? > > I'm curious about the reactions you guys had.
Did anyone love it? Did > anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining
to be hateful in my opinion). > Did anyone think it belongs with the
other six? (Yes the other SIX, as > Burton's film is far more like
POTA than this is...) > > Ty the Guy Templeton. >
> -- > Ty Templeton's Art Land > www.tytempleton.com
> > > > http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage>
> www.twitter.com/tytempleton>
-- Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/7/2011 |
| Subject: Planner of the Apes |
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Sure, why not?
Heads up courtesy Ape Central.
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From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
.htmlAnd that's only a few of them!
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> How did they not know Bright Eyes was pregnant if she was their subject? Why didn't Freida Pinto the chimp expert not know Caesar was "different" in 5 years? Where did "the law" go after
they crossed the bridge? How did the zoo apes get smart so fast? How come Franco looks the same after 8 years? How come it was so easy for Gen-Sys to test drugs? How come none of the apes showed injury jumping out those
high windows?
>
>
> From: jessica rotich
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:26 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
>
>
>
>
> But Mel if we did that then we'd be nitpicking....
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:10 PM, knightangel314 <chimel23@...> wrote:
>
>
> Can someone explain again what plot holes were there? The only one I picked up on was the other apes in the sanctuary getting smart too fast.
>
> I personally don't think it was bad either, it certainly wasn't a 'turkey'.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I think it's a common thread that people who require a well written
> > story were disappointed.. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ty, I enjoyed it. I agree totally with you it's missing SOMETHING and I
> > hope it's all explained in the BluRay release (you can easily tell it's been
> > HACKED to bits).
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't just say positive things about it because it was missing any concern
> > from FOX about plot holes - did anyone view it critically? Is it that
> > difficult to read a draft and point out problems/fix them?
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't hate it, I just wish in my lifetime they could have cared enough to
> > make it better than they did.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> > Jeff K.
> > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:32 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good. You'll be right at home here. Traitor! >: (
> >
> >
> >
> > Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's is more like the
> > originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose in comparing
> > this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary; the idea with
> > "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were tied
> > somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real
> > comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I
> > thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe
> > cutting, which we'll find out with the DVD.
> >
> > I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his search for who he is and his
> > journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a remake of "Conquest" with
> > science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been having an impact because
> > it's NOT just one action scene after another. People friggin' love Caesar.
> > Hopefully with the sequels where the apes start building their society it'll
> > get more into social commentary (if the studio will let them). This one is
> > primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I don't deny there's
> > some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me.
> >
> > But most of the people here didn't love it so you'll hear plenty of those
> > opinions.
> >
> >
> >
>
> > From: Ty Templeton <mailto:tybunny@>
>
> >
> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM
> >
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to
> > do with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
> > it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone who
> > ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
> > Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
> >
> > First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
> > every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was
> > probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got
> > me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
> >
> > But...
> >
> > What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was
> > a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes,
> > satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV
> > shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the
> > producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on
> > in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were
> > metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
> > theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
> > the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the
> > same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek,
> > favoring explosions over character and thought.
> >
> > Amazing.
> >
> > Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did
> > they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming
> > that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were
> > getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories
> > to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
> >
> > Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
> >
> > I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did
> > anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion).
> > Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as
> > Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...)
> >
> > Ty the Guy Templeton.
> >
> > --
> > Ty Templeton's Art Land
> > www.tytempleton.com
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
> >
> > www.twitter.com/tytempleton
> >
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 60331 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 9/7/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday |
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So any old crap can be excused because it's only a movie? How convenient for bad movies with rotten scripts.
Neil T.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> This stuff just plain didn't bother me, I was carried along by the good stuff. It's a busy lab and they overlooked the pregnancy? OK, stranger things have happened. Apes are stronger than us so they
could maybe take the windows and the fall better than us, and they're pumped up on adrenaline. OK, stranger things have happened. None of them were deal breakers. I still think overall "Rise" had an
intelligent script.
> Sharks don't do some of the things "Jaws" did. There's no sound in space so half the sci-fi movies are invalid. The blood transfusion in the original POTA was B.S. Welcome to the movies.
>
>
> From: Ty Templeton
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:30 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
>
>
>
> Oddly enough, I let a lot of the plot holes go by as necessary evils of scripting (such as "explaining" the hand gestures though they'd obviously know what they were...that was for the audience in the
theater, with characters behaving as a Greek chorus). But it DID bother me that the apes were able to repeatedly smash through glass windows and not suffer horrible cuts and broken legs after dropping down six or seven
stories. That stopped me a bit as the suspension of disbelief was gone for those things. A simply line about the Gen-Sys drugs making them semi-invulnerable would have been outrageous, but would have dealt with so
strange a super-power, especially considering Caesar's fall from the sanctuary tree clearly winded him after a much smaller drop.
>
> And yeah, Bright Eyes was not only pregnant, but had given birth to a chimp that was clearly a few days old. That was an amazing lapse in scripting for a test animal who was meant to be their showcase animal could
have THAT private an existence for months. That moment caused me to giggle out loud in the theater. These are moments that can be solved with a well written line here and there explaining that they were aware that the
chimp had given birth but had sneaked out of her cage, and retrieved her child, THEN was protecting it later. Also the protective instincts of a mother should have made her defend the cage, not bolt away from it as
fast as possible.
>
> Again...I liked the movie, but thought the script was very thin and weak.
>
> Ty the Guy.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> How did they not know Bright Eyes was pregnant if she was their subject? Why didn't Freida Pinto the chimp expert not know Caesar was "different" in 5 years? Where did "the law" go after
they crossed the bridge? How did the zoo apes get smart so fast? How come Franco looks the same after 8 years? How come it was so easy for Gen-Sys to test drugs? How come none of the apes showed injury jumping out those
high windows?
>
>
> From: jessica rotich
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:26 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
>
>
>
>
> But Mel if we did that then we'd be nitpicking....
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:10 PM, knightangel314 <chimel23@...> wrote:
>
>
> Can someone explain again what plot holes were there? The only one I picked up on was the other apes in the sanctuary getting smart too fast.
>
> I personally don't think it was bad either, it certainly wasn't a 'turkey'.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I think it's a common thread that people who require a well written
> > story were disappointed.. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ty, I enjoyed it. I agree totally with you it's missing SOMETHING and I
> > hope it's all explained in the BluRay release (you can easily tell it's been
> > HACKED to bits).
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't just say positive things about it because it was missing any concern
> > from FOX about plot holes - did anyone view it critically? Is it that
> > difficult to read a draft and point out problems/fix them?
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't hate it, I just wish in my lifetime they could have cared enough to
> > make it better than they did.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> > Jeff K.
> > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:32 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good. You'll be right at home here. Traitor! >: (
> >
> >
> >
> > Just kidding. I definitely disagree that Burton's is more like the
> > originals than "Rise". I think you're pretty much on the nose in comparing
> > this to the new "Star Trek" (flashier, less social commentary; the idea with
> > "Trek" was to marry it with "Star Wars"). But I think their hands were tied
> > somewhat in setting it on the Planet of the Humans. I think the only real
> > comparisons could be made to "Escape" (which was better) and "Conquest" (I
> > thought "Rise" was better). "Rise" does seem to have had some severe
> > cutting, which we'll find out with the DVD.
> >
> > I loved it. It's "about" Caesar and his search for who he is and his
> > journey to becoming a leader. It's pretty much a remake of "Conquest" with
> > science instead of slavery as a culprit. It's been having an impact because
> > it's NOT just one action scene after another. People friggin' love Caesar.
> > Hopefully with the sequels where the apes start building their society it'll
> > get more into social commentary (if the studio will let them). This one is
> > primitive apes so there was only so much they could do. I don't deny there's
> > some plot holes but no "deal breakers" for me.
> >
> > But most of the people here didn't love it so you'll hear plenty of those
> > opinions.
> >
> >
> >
>
> > From: Ty Templeton <mailto:tybunny@>
>
> >
> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:53 PM
> >
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Late to the party, I just saw Rise yesterday
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been studiously avoiding any and all reviews, spoilers or ANYTHING to
> > do with this movie until my work schedule permitted me the day off to go see
> > it. So I've no idea how you guys received it in general, but as someone who
> > ate, slept and breathed APES during the year I worked on Revolution on the
> > Planet of the Apes, I have a few things to say about it...
> >
> > First off: The movie entertained me. I was never bored, and I grinned
> > every now and then at the shout-outs to classic POTA (though there was
> > probably a few too many of them). And the basic script moved along and got
> > me to the action sequences in a timely manner.
> >
> > But...
> >
> > What the hell was this about? It didn't seem to be about anything. It was
> > a thriller/monster/action picture with no resemblance to the themes,
> > satires, social commentary and point of any of the previous movies or TV
> > shows. It was like eating just the bun and not the burger. Did the
> > producers ever watch an APES movie? Did they have no idea what was going on
> > in all the other ones? Even the Tim Burton movie got that there were
> > metaphors involved. This was as straightforward as a DO NOT WALK sign. In
> > theme and feel it was more like JAWS than POTA. It reminded me a little of
> > the Star Trek reboot from last year...which SEEMED like it was part of the
> > same franchise, but that was a hollow shell of the intelligence of Trek,
> > favoring explosions over character and thought.
> >
> > Amazing.
> >
> > Now, I'm happy to see a renewed interest in the POTA franchise, but how did
> > they get the basic idea so utterly wrong? Perhaps there's a sequel coming
> > that finally deals with the things that Boulle, Serling and the gang were
> > getting at. This was empty calories. Pretty, fun, exciting empty calories
> > to be sure, but hollow and sugary, and little else.
> >
> > Loved John Lithgow, though. When is he ever less than entertaining?
> >
> > I'm curious about the reactions you guys had. Did anyone love it? Did
> > anyone just hate it? (It's too entertaining to be hateful in my opinion).
> > Did anyone think it belongs with the other six? (Yes the other SIX, as
> > Burton's film is far more like POTA than this is...)
> >
> > Ty the Guy Templeton.
> >
> > --
> > Ty Templeton's Art Land
> > www.tytempleton.com
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
> >
> > www.twitter.com/tytempleton
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land
> www.tytempleton.com
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
>
> www.twitter.com/tytempleton
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