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--- Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> -- Oh yeah man...
>
>
>
> Neil the hippie .'-)
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 1:19 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] I'm back!
>
>
>
> Just buy that CD , relax and let your mind go.....It
> pretty much is a trip in itself! you'll be flyin
> around with Lucy....you know the one in the sky....
>
> .
>
>

<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m

> sgId=43375/stime=1170818363/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>
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>

In "THE ACTOR'S LIFE" -- on page 335, in his entry for April 20, 1970,
Heston writes this (and sorry, Neil, if I'm jumping the gun here):

"April 20. When the ANTONY project reached his desk, Dick Zanuck backed
off like a cat stepping in wet cement, which is probably the way the
proposal struck him, after their Burton/Taylor debacle. So now where
are we? I ran APES II tonight, with many misgivings. It was a little
better, actually, than I'd thought it could be. Aside from many
careless errors in structure and detail, the main problem is that the
leading character [Jimmy Franciscus... a good actor] really has nothing
to play, as I predicted would be the case when I refused the role. I'm
barely acceptable in a cameo reprise of the Taylor role from the first
film."

Admittedly, not a glowing endorsement, but we should remember that the
Taylor role from "PLANET" was so magnificent a role for an actor to
play (and, as Heston has said, one that resonated with him as a
person), that he seems to have primarily judged a film's worth from the
standpoint of the material that the actor has to work with. As much as
I dig "BENEATH", I'll be the first to admit that the Brent character
doesn't have anywhere near the same depth that Taylor does, and that
whatever gravitas he has is due entirely to Franciscus' intense acting
style.

I don't know if Heston ever saw "BENEATH" again, after running it on
April 20th 1970, but I think he's mistaken about the film's structure.
The whole point of the film is to introduce, establish, and make the
most of the 'new' element: the Mutant bomb-worshipping society. Our
first exposure to it is in Nova's flashbacks, when the illusions
eventually separate her from Taylor. We learn more "recent history"
background during Ursus' speech, and hear more of the mysterious
elements in the steamroom scene -- learning that the lone surviving
gorilla scout encountered the same sorts of illusions that Nova and
Taylor ran into. After Brent (et al.) are exposed to just enough of the
gorilla war machine to establish the Vietnam parallel, they reveal the
mutant society to us in all its gory.

Then... there's the apocalypse! Two sides forced (by their mutual
racist mindsets) to fight each other using their own respective weapons
(Traumatic Hypnosis vs. GUNS GUNS GUNS!!!), just as Taylor and Brent
are forced to fight against each other. And the poignancy of Nova's
death -- the very real personal loss of ONE person felt by ONE man who
now has nothing to live for except to exact his revenge -- leads to the
triggering of the Bomb. As Heston indicates in a prior entry, he had
self-doubts that he played that scene as well as he could/should have.
Here's what he wrote:

"May 2 [1969]. I was distressed to realize one scene of what we did in
the cell (at LEAST one scene) will not play. We also had to reshoot the
stuff with the girl after she's shot, partly because she couldn't lie
dead without blinking, but mainly because I simply failed to make it
work at all. Maybe I played a fair death scene. The concept WAS good,
in fact. At least I've done what I told Dick Zanuck I would do."

Heston adds an after-the-fact postscript to the above entry:

"I did my best during the shooting of the few scenes I had in the APES
sequel to keep my mouth shut and do my work, a salutary experience for
me. Still, I detect in these entries an excess of self-pity, the worst
of human failings."

I find it ironic to the utmost degree that Heston said this about "self-
pity"... since it is TAYLOR's self-pity -- his loss of Nova -- that
prompts him to detonate the Doomsday bomb! I'm surprised he didn't have
more to say about how his character died, and whether or not he felt
that the end that was filmed did justice to him. I've psychoanalyzed
the Taylor character and I think that it was absolutely appropriate for
him to have been the one to blow up the world. He called upon God to
damn the entire human race for having nuked the world he'd left behind
in his spaceship... but he can't escape his own human nature. If it was
human nature for Man to destroy his own civilization, then Taylor --
sharing that nature -- was acting true-to-form when he used the last
ounce of strength in his dying body to reach out and pull down that
lever.

How many times does an actor get a chance to portray the destroyer of
an entire world?

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 2/4/2007 1:39:21 PM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> >
> > Does anybody else think it's strange that Julius doesn't

recognize Lucius as being Zira's nephew? You'd think that there
would've been at least a few times during Zira's workday that her
nephew would've visited her at her lab, if for no other reason than
to give her some message or other. But Julius doesn't register any
kind of awareness as to Lucius' identity. Strange.

>
>
> I don't think it's weird at all... I mean why would she have sent

someone in that "would" be recognized? That doesn't make any sense...
The whole escape plot was supposed to be kept under wraps, so why
start it off by having a familiar face be the one sent in to break
Taylor out?

>
> And besides, how often does your nephew visit you at work? If it's

like most any other work places, visitors (even relatives) are
frowned upon... Why would the apes be any different with that?

*** Oh, I admit that it would be stupid of Zira to send in somebody
whom Julius would've recognized. Sure. But I just find it a little
weird that Julius had never met Zira's nephew. I have only one
nephew, but he lives in Florida and they've never come up to Fargo to
visit (and why WOULD they, since my older sister -- his mother -- got
into the Navy right outta high school in order to escape the North
Dakota winters). But in Ape City -- which seems to be the center of a
rather sparsely populated area, with a total ape population only in
the thousands (according to the "BENEATH" script & novelization) --
you'd think that there would be more familiarity amongst the people.
Zira's work -- as far as I've been able to gather -- wasn't exactly a
TOP SECRET project, though it may have been somewhat controversial
(brain surgery on humans, etc). Zira's fiancee shows up at her place
of work (or, at the outdoor cage, anyway) to see Bright Eyes do his
tricks. If a fiancee can show up to see his wife-to-be's "special"
exhibit, I don't see why a nephew can't have made an occasional, if
rare, visit to her place of work.

Of course, Lucius looked to be in his high-school years (he gets
pissed at Taylor for making him guard the camp at the Cave site,
referring to "every other adult" -- which indicates that he himself,
as of yet, is NOT an adult). A disgruntled teenager who doesn't trust
the older generation.

Maybe he wasn't allowed to see Zira's workplace beforehand, due to
the nature of her work, and the gross-out factor. We wouldn't want to
expose children to unsettling imagery, would we? Seeing cut-up human
heads in a brain-surgery experimentation lab is probably censor-
worthy in the eyes of the Establishment.

> >
> > "GET YOUR STINKING PAWS OFF ME, YOU DAMN DIRTY APE!"
> >
> TAKE your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape! TAKE, TAKE,

TAKE!!!!

*** Yeah, it's "Take"... although I have seen it quoted (wrongly) a
number of times as "Get". "Get" is grammatically more correct
than "Take" -- just as "damned" is more correct than "damn" -- but
what counts is what Heston rasped out on-screen. I stand corrected :(

Patrick

Hunter's also put up the first part of the BBC radio broadcast on his
site and Neil has made up a great cd cover for it. Neil, I really
like the booklet picture, it seems to fit perfectly with the era the
novel was originally published. Is this taken from an old edition of
the book?
-NJM.

>
> -- Thanks Greg!
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of Greg Plonowski
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 1:40 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends &

fugitives

> Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK Issue 121
>
>
>
>
>
> Issue 121 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This

issue

> contains 7 more pages each from the Battle and Beneath adaptations,

plus

> a letter column.
>
> https://pota. <https://pota.goatley.com/> goatley.com/
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!

In "THE ACTOR'S LIFE" -- on page 335, in his entry for April 20, 1970,
Heston writes this (and sorry, Neil, if I'm jumping the gun here):

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Marvel UK Issue 121

Hunter's also put up the first part of the BBC radio broadcast on his
site and Neil has made up a great cd cover for it. Neil, I really
like the booklet picture, it seems to fit perfectly with the era the
novel was originally published. Is this taken from an old edition of
the book?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> Hunter's also put up the first part of the BBC radio broadcast on his
> site and Neil has made up a great cd cover for it. Neil, I really
> like the booklet picture, it seems to fit perfectly with the era the
> novel was originally published. Is this taken from an old edition of
> the book?
> -NJM.
>
This is cool, thanks to every one involved,

Looks like I'll try and  print of the booklet art at least 2 or 3 times before I get it right as normal

Just as a side note my partner informed me yesterday that my valentines present is a memory stick because she's fed up of all the POTA pics, images, files  clogging up the PC !!!

I think the final straw was a massive file I'd some how got on there of a painting... I thought things were running a bit slow...

Me and the modern world we just don't get on.

Best, Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1970s-mego-ADDAR-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-PROTOTYPE-11_
> W0QQitemZ180083369499QQihZ008QQcategoryZ16469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm
> dZViewItem
>
> Neil
>
It certainly is, did anyone here bid or see what the last pic' went for?

Best, Graham.

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Well it looks great with the lettering and everything.

>
> -- Neil, that picture is part of the painting that was done for the
> novel's (abridged) appearance in the 1964 Saga magazine.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of nlmoxham
> Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:38 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Marvel UK Issue 121
>
>
>
> Hunter's also put up the first part of the BBC radio broadcast on

his

> site and Neil has made up a great cd cover for it. Neil, I really
> like the booklet picture, it seems to fit perfectly with the era

the

> novel was originally published. Is this taken from an old edition

of

> the book?
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 9:00 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Marvel UK Issue 121

Well it looks great with the lettering and everything.
>
> -- Neil, that picture is part of the painting that was done for the
> novel's (abridged) appearance in the 1964 Saga magazine.

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I feel like a complete smuck! When I got my copy of the book I only
followed up on everything he had to say about POTA, and completely
forgot to check on Beneath.
Thanks for pointing it out.

Even some of the things being mentioned in Neil's recaps are things
I've forgotten about. Maybe senility is finally creeping up to me. I
guess as I get older and forget these things, the good part is that I
may forget all about POTA and see the movie again someday where it
will be all new to me. Wadda you say guys and gals? Shut down the DG
and meet you all here in 10 years and we can rehash every discussion
that now seems stale.

Sorry for the rant. Maybe it's because I turned 44 today. ;)

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:27 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!

> -- Yeah you are but it doesn't matter, I don't think many are
> reading it
> anyway! :-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:15 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!
>
>
>
> In "THE ACTOR'S LIFE" -- on page 335, in his entry for April 20,
> 1970,
> Heston writes this (and sorry, Neil, if I'm jumping the gun here):
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=43387/stime=1170865067/nc1=3848602/nc2=3858793/nc3=3848445>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry for the rant. Maybe it's because I turned 44 today. ;)
>
> Dario
>
 Happy Birthday Dario !!!

Hope you had a good day.

Best wishes, Graham.

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Well Happy Birthday, you old babbling so & so. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> I feel like a complete smuck! When I got my copy of the book I
only
> followed up on everything he had to say about POTA, and completely
> forgot to check on Beneath.
> Thanks for pointing it out.
>
> Even some of the things being mentioned in Neil's recaps are things
> I've forgotten about. Maybe senility is finally creeping up to me.
I
> guess as I get older and forget these things, the good part is that
I
> may forget all about POTA and see the movie again someday where it
> will be all new to me. Wadda you say guys and gals? Shut down the
DG
> and meet you all here in 10 years and we can rehash every
discussion
> that now seems stale.
>
> Sorry for the rant. Maybe it's because I turned 44 today. ;)
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
> Date: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:27 pm
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!
>
> > -- Yeah you are but it doesn't matter, I don't think many are
> > reading it
> > anyway! :-)
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
> Behalf
> > Of patrickmichaeltilton
> > Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:15 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!
> >
> >
> >
> > In "THE ACTOR'S LIFE" -- on page 335, in his entry for April 20,
> > 1970,
> > Heston writes this (and sorry, Neil, if I'm jumping the gun here):
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
> s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > sgId=43387/stime=1170865067/nc1=3848602/nc2=3858793/nc3=3848445>
> >
> >
> >
>

An extended Audio drama of the film Planet of the Apes presented by
BrokenSea.com
So, does anybody know anything about this? Its posted on Hunter's page.
The BrokenSea page is still under construction. Written, produced &
directed by Bill Hollweg? Says it will be available to download for
free March 1st?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 4:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!

Sorry for the rant. Maybe it's because I turned 44 today. ;)

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 6:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!

Jeez man – you’re as old as Foster!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Extracts from the book - The Actor's Life: Journals 1956-1976 by...

 

The problem is, with the exception of the B&W pic

you can see living grasses.  The very thing they said

their wasn't any of when they landed.  That's what

made finding that single flower so dramatic.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 8:10 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Extracts from the book - The Actor's Life: Journals 1956-197...

I guess I should have added the   ; )

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 8:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Extracts from the book - The Actor's Life: Journals 1956-197...

I recommend seeing Dick Dale play guitar.

That's what I did, and I feel much better.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 8:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Here's another interesting one:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay. com.au/1970s- mego-ADDAR- PLANET-OF- THE-APES- PROTOTYPE- 11_
> W0QQitemZ1800833694 99QQihZ008QQcate goryZ16469QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ 1QQcm
> dZViewItem
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> Neil
>
It certainly is, did anyone here bid or see what the last pic' went for?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [PotaDG] Extracts from the book - The Actor's Life: Journals 1956-1976 by...

I'm not going to say that Heston was a great man, but in all fairness
it should be pointed out that whatever is in those journals was
originally intended to be a personal diary and that is why we get to
read about some blunt assessments of people he worked with. The
positive side is that these are probably brutally honest opinions of
his that we would not have known otherwise. The flip side is that he
becomes exposed by their revelations. So what would have been better?
Keep it all to himself, or publish his memoirs as he did?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 8:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] BrokenSea audio drama

An extended Audio drama of the film Planet of the Apes presented by
BrokenSea.com
So, does anybody know anything about this? Its posted on Hunter's page.
The BrokenSea page is still under construction. Written, produced &
directed by Bill Hollweg? Says it will be available to download for
free March 1st?

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Great. First I'm told that I'm as old as the old hippie fart.
Then I get to hear that I'm actually older.
(I'm no hippie just a hippie at heart). ;)

At least I can say that on my fifth birthday someone had the sense to
release POTA back in '68.

Well I did get a bit of good news about POTA today and I'm not talking
about that upcoming sound production coming out in March which was in
the other message.

I'm talking about this:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9592

Perhaps we'll get a little more information about the input POTA had
over the Kamandi series.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2007 6:52 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!

> No I don't get there until the 5th of March. :-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of Michael Whitty
> Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 6:31 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeez man - you're as old as Foster!
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=43403/stime=1170966953/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 2/8/2007 4:28:37 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

An extended Audio drama of the film Planet of the Apes presented by
BrokenSea.com
So, does anybody know anything about this? Its posted on Hunter's page.
The BrokenSea page is still under construction. Written, produced &
directed by Bill Hollweg? Says it will be available to download for
free March 1st?

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.html Hmm... I guess I stand corrected... I only knew about the audio version of MONKEY PLANET that he's hosting...



In a message dated 2/8/2007 7:04:18 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Hunter has this banner on his site that explains it:

https://pota.goatley.com/images/brokensea-pota-coming.gif

Neil


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Wow!

Donna

>From: "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...>
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:51:01 +1000
>
>
>
>
>Neil :-)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
>Of Dario Sciola
>Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 4:17 AM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: RE: [PotaDG] Re: I didn't know that!
>
>
>
>
>Sorry for the rant. Maybe it's because I turned 44 today. ;)
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 12:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Kirby book.

Great. First I'm told that I'm as old as the old hippie fart.
Then I get to hear that I'm actually older.
(I'm no hippie just a hippie at heart). ;)

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 12:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Kirby book.

I'm talking about this:
http://www.comicboo kresources. com/news/ newsitem. cgi?id=9592

Perhaps we'll get a little more information about the input POTA had
over the Kamandi series.

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Tonight on the NBC series "30 Rock" starring Tina Fey
late of "Saturday Night Live", a guy walked into her
office and immediately noticed a French poster for
"Planet of the Apes" on her wall and it got a closeup!
Bizarre and unexpected!

Tim

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Speaking of comics, what's with Chimp Detective?

 

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Evanier was more than just someone who worked with Kirby. He
developed a friendship early on, and it developed into something of a
father & son relationship. He was extensively quoted in the Kirby bio
I reviewed about a year ago ("Tales to Astonish" by Ronin Ro). He
became a defatco member of the Kirby family, including Kirby's kids
and wife. He helped Kirby fight the Marvel battle and when Kirby
finally did get a bunch of art back from Marvel, he immediately called
Evanier to come over and they opened up the boxes together. If I
recall correctly, it was he who gave the eulogy at Kirby's funeral.
Of course most of this came from Evenier himself, so I do not know if
it is all true, but I have no reason to doubt it. Evanier now writing
a Kirby bio lends credence to the stuff he says in the Ro bio.

The only misgivings I may have about the new book is that Evanier had
such a great input in the Ro bio, that there may not be all that much
knew in the book coming out in terms of new factual information. It
will however have original art, something that was not in the Ro bio.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2007 11:30 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Kirby book.

> -- Cool this should be very interesting and it's good that someone
who
> actually worked with him will be writing it.
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Dario Sciola
> Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 12:09 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] New Kirby book.
>
>
>
> I'm talking about this:
> http://www.comicboo
> <http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9592>
> kresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9592
>
> Perhaps we'll get a little more information about the input POTA had
> over the Kamandi series.
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=43416/stime=1170987304/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>
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.html.html Last night, the 39th Anniversary of the opening of PLANET in 1968, a French PLANET poster made an appearence near the end of the NBC sitcom "30 Rock."
I've never seen it before on the show, but I haven't seen every episode, but I wonder if it means series creator, Tina Frey, is a fan or something.  The guy who walked in her office and mentioned the poster then said, "Did you know that in Greece they have to change Charlton Heston's name, because in Greek "Heston" means to shit on yourself?"

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Should be really good, as you say Dario Evanier had a very close relationship with the Kirby family, the only dilema I have is the talk of there being two versions the later one going in too more detail but the first one having more art produced from the originals so we can see all the smudges and corrections, I always find that stuff fascinating, so which version to go for !!!

Best, Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Evanier was more than just someone who worked with Kirby. He
> developed a friendship early on, and it developed into something of a
> father & son relationship. He was extensively quoted in the Kirby bio
> I reviewed about a year ago ("Tales to Astonish" by Ronin Ro). He
> became a defatco member of the Kirby family, including Kirby's kids
> and wife. He helped Kirby fight the Marvel battle and when Kirby
> finally did get a bunch of art back from Marvel, he immediately called
> Evanier to come over and they opened up the boxes together. If I
> recall correctly, it was he who gave the eulogy at Kirby's funeral.
> Of course most of this came from Evenier himself, so I do not know if
> it is all true, but I have no reason to doubt it. Evanier now writing
> a Kirby bio lends credence to the stuff he says in the Ro bio.
>
> The only misgivings I may have about the new book is that Evanier had
> such a great input in the Ro bio, that there may not be all that much
> knew in the book coming out in terms of new factual information. It
> will however have original art, something that was not in the Ro bio.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neil T Foster ntfoster@...
> Date: Thursday, February 8, 2007 11:30 pm
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Kirby book.
>
> > -- Cool this should be very interesting and it's good that someone
> who
> > actually worked with him will be writing it.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Dario Sciola
> > Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 12:09 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] New Kirby book.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm talking about this:
> > http://www.comicboo
> > <http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9592>
> > kresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9592
> >
> > Perhaps we'll get a little more information about the input POTA had
> > over the Kamandi series.
> >
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
> s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > sgId=43416/stime=1170987304/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>
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*** I've posted before about my preference for seeing Boulle's novel
faithfully adapted by a French director/cast/production team/etc. as
a movie. Before APJAC Productions thoroughly "americanized" it as
the "PLANET OF THE APES" we all know and love, Boulle's original
novel was imbued with a more European sensibility (predominantly a
French one, of course). Boulle could've postulated a Betelgeuse
mission launched from anywhere in the world in the year 2500 -- and
he chose to make it a French expedition sent out from France and
returning at Orly aero/space-port. In a novel he wrote soon
afterwards (a novel he had to revise when Kennedy was assassinated on
22 November 1963) -- "Le Jardin de Kanashima"/"Garden on the Moon" --
Boulle wrote about the Moon-race, setting it in his Present, with the
two superpowers [the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R.] rushing to get their
rocket program up to the Moon first (for the glory, etc)... only to
be beaten by a kamikaze Japanese mission. The German rocket scientist
who worked for the Americans was a former Nazi working on the V2
weapons used against England -- named "Von Schwartz" in the original
French text, which the English translator stupidly CHANGED to "Stern"
(and it doesn't make any sense, since "schwartz" means "black" in
German -- a pun on the name "Von Braun", a name which means "brown").
Boulle had to work in the death of Kennedy and the continuance of Von
Schwartz's Lunar program -- named "Phoebe", a mythic synonym
for "Apollo" -- under the next President's administration.

Boulle could write a novel set somewhere other than France when he
wanted to... and he chose to make his protagonist for "LA PLANETE DES
SINGES", Ulysse Merou, a Frenchman from the year 2500. A futuristic
French Odysseus-figure. The theme of the novel -- that the human race
succumbed to a sort of mega-ennui, leading to their reversion back to
the status of a beast -- is very "french" I think (at least, that's
the impression I get). It's no wonder that Serling & Wilson turned it
into a nuke-fable, instead, when they turned Ulysse Merou -- the
French Odysseus from a future 500 years from now -- into George
Taylor, an American from our very VERY near future (1972, a mere 4
years into the future from the film's release date).

We've had our Americanized version of Boulle's source novel to enjoy
for 40 years now... so, I think it'd be interesting to see a more
faithful adaptation of the novel on film. I think the French should
look upon Boulle as a national treasure, and adapt all of his novels.
If the BBC could do made-for-TV versions of all the Shakespeare plays
(Shakespeare being a national treasure in England), then the French
should do their own thing with Boulle. Not that Boulle was as great
as Shakespeare, but he wasn't too shabby, neither!

Patrick

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In a message dated 2/10/2007 10:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** I've posted before about my preference for seeing Boulle's novel
faithfully adapted by a French director/cast/ production team/etc. as
a movie. Before APJAC Productions thoroughly "americanized" it as
the "PLANET OF THE APES" we all know and love, Boulle's original
novel was imbued with a more European sensibility (predominantly a
French one, of course). Boulle could've postulated a Betelgeuse
mission launched from anywhere in the world in the year 2500 -- and
he chose to make it a French expedition sent out from France and
returning at Orly aero/space-port. In a novel he wrote soon
afterwards (a novel he had to revise when Kennedy was assassinated on
22 November 1963) -- "Le Jardin de Kanashima"/" Garden on the Moon" --
Boulle wrote about the Moon-race, setting it in his Present, with the
two superpowers [the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R.] rushing to get their
rocket program up to the Moon first (for the glory, etc)... only to
be beaten by a kamikaze Japanese mission. The German rocket scientist
who worked for the Americans was a former Nazi working on the V2
weapons used against England -- named "Von Schwartz" in the original
French text, which the English translator stupidly CHANGED to "Stern"
(and it doesn't make any sense, since "schwartz" means "black" in
German -- a pun on the name "Von Braun", a name which means "brown").
Boulle had to work in the death of Kennedy and the continuance of Von
Schwartz's Lunar program -- named "Phoebe", a mythic synonym
for "Apollo" -- under the next President's administration.

Boulle could write a novel set somewhere other than France when he
wanted to... and he chose to make his protagonist for "LA PLANETE DES
SINGES", Ulysse Merou, a Frenchman from the year 2500. A futuristic
French Odysseus-figure. The theme of the novel -- that the human race
succumbed to a sort of mega-ennui, leading to their reversion back to
the status of a beast -- is very "french" I think (at least, that's
the impression I get). It's no wonder that Serling & Wilson turned it
into a nuke-fable, instead, when they turned Ulysse Merou -- the
French Odysseus from a future 500 years from now -- into George
Taylor, an American from our very VERY near future (1972, a mere 4
years into the future from the film's release date).

We've had our Americanized version of Boulle's source novel to enjoy
for 40 years now... so, I think it'd be interesting to see a more
faithful adaptation of the novel on film. I think the French should
look upon Boulle as a national treasure, and adapt all of his novels.
If the BBC could do made-for-TV versions of all the Shakespeare plays
(Shakespeare being a national treasure in England), then the French
should do their own thing with Boulle. Not that Boulle was as great
as Shakespeare, but he wasn't too shabby, neither!

Patrick

**********************

I dont think that Boulle was ever at the same level as the Bard.. Then again, the French also view Jerry Lewis as a treasure.. so go figure..

Bill

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Well, it would all depend on a few things.

1) Is there a French film director who is also a fan
of Boulle's work in general, and of "Planete" in
particular?

2) If so, is there a French film company that would be
willing to make a faithful-to-Boulle film adaptation
of "Planete"?

3) Would the cost of such a production be exorbitant,
given the state-of-the-art in CGI effects? Making
modern-style settings for the Ape civilization was out
of the question 40 years ago... but NOW, with the
ability to do most of it with computer rendering, it
doesn't seem so unfeasible.

4) Is there enough of an audience in France for such a
project? Is there enough of a GLOBAL audience for it,
given that it is NOT a remake of the 1968 film (or of
Burton's atrocity), but rather is true to the source
novel?

Most people "know" PLANET OF THE APES via the 1968
film, and THAT is what POTA means to them: Chuck
Heston and his encounters with damn, dirty apes...
culminating in the Statue of Liberty. Most of the
people who've seen that movie have NOT read the novel,
and yet they would probably go to a true-to-the-book
French film version just because the Heston film is so
iconic and well-received. Burton's film made a ton of
cash -- but NOT on its own merits! It made its money
back because we POTA fans were hungry for a new film
with "PLANET OF THE APES" in the title, AND because a
lot of people who liked the original POTA films (and
who aren't necessarily POTA fanatics like us) thought
it would be a cut above the average Hollywood sci-fi
action flick.

I think that probably the only reason we haven't seen
an all-French version of "PLANETE" true-to-Boulle is
because it just hasn't OCCURRED to any French film
studio or director to adapt Boulle. Maybe if somebody
were to suggest it to them, they'd perk up and say
something like "Votre idee est magnifique!"

I'm not enough of an afficionado of French film to
know who to send an email to, though. And although I
can mull my way through a French text, I ain't fluent
in French so I wouldn't be able to send 'em emails
written in their language. <Helas!>

Maybe the dude who directed the Gerard Depardieu
version of "CYRANO DE BERGERAC"...?

Patrick

P.S. By the way, there IS a way to sneak in the Statue
of Liberty in a faithful-to-Boulle film adaptation.
The film begins and ends with Jinn & Phyllis, of
course, but the story of Ulysse Merou begins and ends
with him leaving France (and the Earth) in a
spaceship. That is, Antelle's ship was probably built
in orbit, and they flew up to it in one of those
shuttles (called "une chaloupe", translated by Xan
Fielding as "launch"), three of which were brought
along inside the "mothership".

They COULD show a montage (as Jinn reads Ulysse's
narrative) of Ulysse traveling in a futuristic Paris
at the end of the 26th Century to meet up with
Antelle. In Paris, at the end of an island in the
middle of the river Seine -- within eyeshot of the
Eiffel Tower -- there is a smaller-sized replica of
the Statue of Liberty, made at the same time as the
gift the French people made for America was made by
Bertholdi. If you'll recall, Antelle invites Ulysse
along on the voyage to Betelgeuse after finding out
that he's not only unattached, but enjoys playing
chess. I think it'd be cool to see a brief scene
enacted where Antelle and Ulysse are playing chess at
the base of the Parisian Statue of Liberty, with
Antelle officially giving Ulysse the invitation to
join him and Arthur Levain on the voyage.

And, at the end of the Ulysse story, when Nova grabs
their kid and runs back to their spacecraft, they
could depict it re-launching in to orbit to link up
again with the mothership... and, since the launch
from Orly Spaceport would be visible from anywhere in
Paris, it could be fun to see some apes viewing that
launch in amazement... from the base of the Statue of
Liberty -- with its face remade in a simian visage.

And then Jinn would finish reading Ulysse's narrative,
and the "reveal" could then be shown. They're chimps!
Apes! Damn dirty apes!

Adding in those shots of the Statue of Liberty that is
currently in Paris would be a neat way to give a nod
to the 1968 version of "PLANET". Don't ya think?

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In a message dated 2/11/2007 8:24:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Maybe the dude who directed the Gerard Depardieu
version of "CYRANO DE BERGERAC"... ?

Are you nuts!

It was fecking awful!

I sat through that travesty

just to see the 100 man fight, 

and what does he do?  Fade it!  ???

He's the reason the guillotine was invented!

 

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Thanks, Neil. I've been flagging your posts with the excepts to go
back and read when time permits, but it sure is handy to have them all
in one document.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I've finished uploading the various extracts from the Heston
> Journals I thought some may like the whole thing together. I have
> therefore uploaded a Word .doc version of the extracts to the Group's
> Files Section:
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "gp3085" <urko3085@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks, Neil. I've been flagging your posts with the excepts to go
> back and read when time permits, but it sure is handy to have them all
> in one document.
>
> Greg
>

Thanks Neil , I'm in the same boat as Greg here, what with the cricket
and every thing I've got a bit behind with the messages so thanks !!

Best, Graham.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2007 9:05 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Heston Journal Extracts

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "gp3085" <urko3085@.. .> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Neil. I've been flagging your posts with the excepts to go
> back and read when time permits, but it sure is handy to have them all
> in one document.
>
> Greg
>
Thanks Neil , I'm in the same boat as Greg here, what with the cricket
and every thing I've got a bit behind with the messages so thanks !!

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Ha, just noticed that !!!

Looking at the picture on the home page as it appears on my screen,  that's probably the size of the original , it was only a few inches across, it might actually be bigger !!.

Just a drunken doddle .

Best, Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Ah, the cricket... the new home page picture is for us lot! ;-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Graham Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2007 9:05 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Heston Journal Extracts
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> "gp3085" urko3085@ wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Neil. I've been flagging your posts with the excepts to go
> > back and read when time permits, but it sure is handy to have them all
> > in one document.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> Thanks Neil , I'm in the same boat as Greg here, what with the cricket
> and every thing I've got a bit behind with the messages so thanks !!
>
>
> .
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Wednesday, 14 February 2007 2:02 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 122

It's the penultimate issue! Featuring the penultimate chapter of one of the two titanic adaptations! Which one will conclude next week in the final issue of the series and which will continue into the Mighty World of Marvel series? Be here next week to find out. In the meantime, enjoy this week's letter column after you download the issue.

 

Also this week on Hunter's site, it's part 2 of the BBC Radio 4 Book at Bedtime adaptation of Pierre Boule's novel. Thanks to Neil Moxham and David Bruan for providing the files. Also thanks to Neil Foster for his nifty CD case art. Looks for part 3 next week.

 

https://pota. goatley.com/

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Hi every one, just been playing with my new memory stick thing (Said in his best Frankie Howard voice, smutty UK comedian) which I got for valantines.

Clearing out some picture files, came across this photo of an early stage of a Cornelius painting that in retrospect is much more lively than the "finished" version, an increasing trait I think !!! 

 Thought I'd share.

Here's the early stage...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/this1.jpg

Here's the later stage...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/cornfin1a.jpg

Best, Graham.

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Could it be possible that the dome city that was the home of Logan, Jessica, Francis and the sandmen could have existed in the same universe as the POTA?

 

Logan's ancestors sheltered themselves into the dome city after am apocalyptic event and remained their for hundreds of years. Could that event have been the nuclear war set off shortly after Caesar's revolution?

 

Perhaps the dome city was the paradise Dr Zaius spoke of...on the other side of the Forbidden Zone?

 

Any thoughts...?

Bill

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Excellent Graham.........captured his spirit
nicely.......

Tim

--- Graham Hill <shop@...> wrote:

>
> Hi every one, just been playing with my new memory
> stick thing (Said in
> his best Frankie Howard voice, smutty UK comedian)
> which I got for
> valantines.
>
> Clearing out some picture files,came across this
> photo of an early stage
> of a Cornelius painting that in retrospect is much
> more lively than the
> "finished" version, an increasing trait I think !!!
>
> Thought I'd share.
>
> Here's the early stage...
>
>

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/this1.jpg

>

<http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/this1.jpg>

>
> Here's the later stage...
>
>

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/cornfin1a.jpg

>

<http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/cornfin1a.jpg>

>
> Best, Graham.
>
>

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Could it be possible that the dome city that was the home of Logan, Jessica, Francis and the sandmen could have existed in the same universe as the POTA?

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From: atragon1@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:54 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes

Could it be possible that the dome city that was the home of Logan, Jessica, Francis and the sandmen could have existed in the same universe as the POTA?

 

Logan's ancestors sheltered themselves into the dome city after am apocalyptic event and remained their for hundreds of years. Could that event have been the nuclear war set off shortly after Caesar's revolution?

 

Perhaps the dome city was the paradise Dr Zaius spoke of...on the other side of the Forbidden Zone?

 

Any thoughts...?

Bill

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.html In a message dated 2/14/2007 6:03:11 PM Central Standard Time, atragon1@... writes:

Could it be possible that the dome city that was the home of Logan, Jessica, Francis and the sandmen could have existed in the same universe as the POTA?

*** I agree wholeheartedly with Rory... In other words, a resounding NO!

Perhaps the dome city was the paradise Dr. Zaius spoke of...on the other side of the Forbidden Zone?

*** You also have to remember that Dr. Zaius never said that "the paradise" was "the other side of The Forbidden Zone" as you say here... He says that The Forbidden Zone was once a paradise, he NEVER differentiates sides...

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.html In a message dated 2/14/2007 8:24:55 PM Central Standard Time, hoknescards@... writes:

Actually I think thats a pretty cool theory

*** And I'm thinking that it may also set very well with patrick, as he is also a "Logan's Run" fanatic...

I'm sure he could tie all of these ideas into a nice little bundle if you ask him to...

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In a message dated 2/14/2007 9:42:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

In a message dated 2/14/2007 8:24:55 PM Central Standard Time, hoknescards@ shaw.ca writes:

Actually I think thats a pretty cool theory

*** And I'm thinking that it may also set very well with patrick, as he is also a "Logan's Run" fanatic...

I'm sure he could tie all of these ideas into a nice little bundle if you ask him to...

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Of course! Its always fun to hear new and exciting theories!

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Its always fun to hear new and exciting theories

*** It can be when you're sticking within the realm of the same series... But "cross-overs" are definitely NOT new or exciting...

"Logan's Run" has no business being tied in with APES! (And neither does Star Trek, Highlander, Scooby-Doo, or a lot of the other shit that people have tried crossing it with.) <.html

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In a message dated 2/15/2007 10:57:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

In a message dated 2/15/2007 7:04:19 AM Central Standard Time, atragon1@aol. com writes:

Its always fun to hear new and exciting theories

*** It can be when you're sticking within the realm of the same series... But "cross-overs" are definitely NOT new or exciting...

"Logan's Run" has no business being tied in with APES! (And neither does Star Trek, Highlander, Scooby-Doo, or a lot of the other shit that people have tried crossing it with.)

***********************************************

Wow. You have some strong feelings about this, doncha?

 

I don't think Scooby Doo or Battlestar Galactica can be logically tied to POTA without being totally outlandish, but the dome city of LOGAN'S RUN could have existed in the same universe. There were parts of Logan's world outside of the dome that looked very much like the ruins we see in Beneath and Battle.

 

This is a 40 year old franchise and I see no harm in breathing a little life into it with some harmless fun of tying it to Logan's Run.

Bill

 

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.html.html In a message dated 2/15/2007 10:57:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

"Logan's Run" has no business being tied in with APES! (And neither does Star Trek, Highlander, Scooby-Doo, or a lot of the other shit that people have tried crossing it with.)

The ONLY thing that ties LOGAN'S RUN to APES is they both have Jerry Goldsmith
scores.  Other than that POTA is a Fox film and LR was an MGM picture.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

If apes didn't control the rest of the planet, it could hardly have been called a PLANET of the APES, could it? Besides, the Old Man had cats, and we all know they were killed off by the plague from space.

A nearly 40 year old franchise deserves more respect than this.

Anthony

************************

This is true... however, if you recall, there was a dog in the first episode of the POTA TV series - so maybe cats & dogs were not totally extinct, but rather a very endangered species.

 

As for respect, POTA already has that and anything said here can never change that.

 

By the way, I dont recall any objections when the REVELUTION series casually mentions that the events from the film ROLLERBALL co-existed at the same time as the events of CONQEST.

Bill

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In a message dated 2/15/2007 1:43:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:09 pm, atragon1@aol. com wrote:

In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

If apes didn't control the rest of the planet, it could hardly have been called a PLANET of the APES, could it? Besides, the Old Man had cats, and we all know they were killed off by the plague from space.

A nearly 40 year old franchise deserves more respect than this.

Anthony

************ ********* ***

This is true... however, if you recall, there was a dog in the first episode of the POTA TV series - so maybe cats & dogs were not totally extinct, but rather a very endangered species.

 

As for respect, POTA already has that and anything said here can never change that.

 

By the way, I dont recall any objections when the REVELUTION series casually mentions that the events from the film ROLLERBALL co-existed at the same time as the events of CONQEST.

Bill

Nope, it doesn't add up; Logan's Run's cats were very plentiful. Planet of the Apes had none whatsoever.

We were given sample pages from Revolution before the comics were printed. I didn't care for the artwork, so I didn't waste my money buying them. Now I feel even better about my decision.

Anthony

*********************

Well, perhaps there were pockets of cat colonies in the Forbidden Zone that we were never made aware of in the POTA films.  Who knows?

 

Don't hold the very off-the-cuff reference to the film ROLLERBALL against the REVOLUTION series ... it was really just a casual wink to that film and played no part in the storyline.

 

But if the two did coexist, imagine a scene of the gorilla army storming the dome city and the sandmen defending it? That could make for quite a story...

Bill

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of atragon1@...
Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 6:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes

In a message dated 2/15/2007 1:43:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:09 pm, atragon1@aol. com wrote:

In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

If apes didn't control the rest of the planet, it could hardly have been called a PLANET of the APES, could it? Besides, the Old Man had cats, and we all know they were killed off by the plague from space.

A nearly 40 year old franchise deserves more respect than this.

Anthony

************ ********* ***

This is true... however, if you recall, there was a dog in the first episode of the POTA TV series - so maybe cats & dogs were not totally extinct, but rather a very endangered species.

 

As for respect, POTA already has that and anything said here can never change that.

 

By the way, I dont recall any objections when the REVELUTION series casually mentions that the events from the film ROLLERBALL co-existed at the same time as the events of CONQEST.

Bill

Nope, it doesn't add up; Logan's Run's cats were very plentiful. Planet of the Apes had none whatsoever.

We were given sample pages from Revolution before the comics were printed. I didn't care for the artwork, so I didn't waste my money buying them. Now I feel even better about my decision.

Anthony

************ *********

Well, perhaps there were pockets of cat colonies in the Forbidden Zone that we were never made aware of in the POTA films.  Who knows?

 

Don't hold the very off-the-cuff reference to the film ROLLERBALL against the REVOLUTION series ... it was really just a casual wink to that film and played no part in the storyline.

 

But if the two did coexist, imagine a scene of the gorilla army storming the dome city and the sandmen defending it? That could make for quite a story...

Bill

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I totally agree Neil. The view we saw in POTA was a very small window into what I think is a vast and diverse post-apocolyptic world. Giant ants or radioactive monsters could be lurking just outside the Forbidden Zone.

 

I don't see why other post-apocolyptic scenarios cannot be weaved into the realm of the POTA. LOGAN'S RUN would fit in very nicely.

 

I would even go so far as to say that the visions  of ROLLERBALL, SOYLENT GEEEN or the OMEGA MAN couldn't be blended into the dystopian world of CONQUEST.

 

Who knows, maybe even TIME OF THE APES can be fit in!

Bill

 

 

In a message dated 2/15/2007 4:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- I was going to say that this could be a nice idea but after reading the violent opposition to a simple suggestion I am instead grabbing my helmet and ducking for cover again. ;-) 

 

For some there can never be anything else on the Planet of the 'Apes' other than what we saw in the first couple of movies. 

Myself, I like to imagine that there are many different surviving colonies of whatever type of beings scattered around the country (which remember is quite large!) and maybe even the world. 

That is probably why I liked the Marvel comics so much (and still do), at least their Planet of the Apes wasn't just THE Planet of the Apes.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of atragon1@aol. com
Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 6:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes

In a message dated 2/15/2007 1:43:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:09 pm, atragon1@aol. com wrote:

In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

If apes didn't control the rest of the planet, it could hardly have been called a PLANET of the APES, could it? Besides, the Old Man had cats, and we all know they were killed off by the plague from space.

A nearly 40 year old franchise deserves more respect than this.

Anthony

************ ********* ***

This is true... however, if you recall, there was a dog in the first episode of the POTA TV series - so maybe cats & dogs were not totally extinct, but rather a very endangered species.

 

As for respect, POTA already has that and anything said here can never change that.

 

By the way, I dont recall any objections when the REVELUTION series casually mentions that the events from the film ROLLERBALL co-existed at the same time as the events of CONQEST.

Bill

Nope, it doesn't add up; Logan's Run's cats were very plentiful. Planet of the Apes had none whatsoever.

We were given sample pages from Revolution before the comics were printed. I didn't care for the artwork, so I didn't waste my money buying them. Now I feel even better about my decision.

Anthony

************ *********

Well, perhaps there were pockets of cat colonies in the Forbidden Zone that we were never made aware of in the POTA films.  Who knows?

 

Don't hold the very off-the-cuff reference to the film ROLLERBALL against the REVOLUTION series ... it was really just a casual wink to that film and played no part in the storyline.

 

But if the two did coexist, imagine a scene of the gorilla army storming the dome city and the sandmen defending it? That could make for quite a story...

Bill

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>

>
> Well I did get a bit of good news about POTA today and I'm not talking
> about that upcoming sound production coming out in March which was in
> the other message.
>
> I'm talking about this:
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9592
>
> Perhaps we'll get a little more information about the input POTA had
> over the Kamandi series.
>
> Dario

Hi Dario, Did you hear that Marvel's collecting Kirby's Devil Dinosaur, all 9 issues , large format hard cover for $30 US, should be out early August.

This was Marvel's response when they heard Kamandi had been optioned for a Saturday morning cartoon, It was felt that they should have some thing that would compete and asked Kirby to come up with a concept which they might be able to sell to the networks.

Not Kirby's best stuff but...

Best, Graham.

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In a message dated 2/15/2007 5:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

No, it's Planet of the Apes, not One Small City of Apes on a Diverse Post-Apocalyptic Planet.

Mutated animals and plants would fit in, as would small groups of intelligent humans, but using characters and situations from other movies is absurd.

Anthony

Has anyone ever heard of the "WOLD NEWTON" Universe? Its a concept originated by the sci-fi author Philip Jose Farmer.  The basic concept is that all the great characters from literature, such as Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, Captain Nemo, Dr. Frankenstein, the Shadow, etc all live in the same universe and have very stange and interesting interconnections.

 

I was mulling over an idea to take this concept a bit further by tying toghether a buffet of post-apaolyptic characters and concepts... POTA, Kamandi, Omega Man, 1984, Rollerball, Deathlock, you name it.

 

For anyone who's interested in the WOLD NEWTON universe, here is a link to their portal.

 

http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Pulp.htm

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, I'm not opposed to new ideas; I even enjoyed the Giant Brains In
> Jars and mush-faced mutant drones. ;-)
>
  You can't escape the giant brains in jars ...

No matter where the conversation goes , it always comes back to the brains...

Best, Graham.

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In a message dated 2/15/2007 6:01:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, shop@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>

>
> Well I did get a bit of good news about POTA today and I'm not talking
> about that upcoming sound production coming out in March which was in
> the other message.
>
> I'm talking about this:
> http://www.comicboo kresources. com/news/ newsitem. cgi?id=9592
>
> Perhaps we'll get a little more information about the input POTA had
> over the Kamandi series.
>
> Dario

Hi Dario, Did you hear that Marvel's collecting Kirby's Devil Dinosaur, all 9 issues , large format hard cover for $30 US, should be out early August.

This was Marvel's response when they heard Kamandi had been optioned for a Saturday morning cartoon, It was felt that they should have some thing that would compete and asked Kirby to come up with a concept which they might be able to sell to the networks.

Not Kirby's best stuff but...

Best, Graham.

*************************************

Didnt Kirby do the layouts for THUNDAR THE BARBARIAN? I loved that show - it was CONAN meets the POTA.

 

I would love to see someone like Bruce Timm do a KAMANDI cartoon series.

Bill

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Guys

Don't forget DAMNATION ALLEY with the giant cockroaches.

Donna

>From: atragon1@...
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:07:15 EST
>
>
>I totally agree Neil. The view we saw in POTA was a very small window into
>what I think is a vast and diverse post-apocolyptic world. Giant ants or
>radioactive monsters could be lurking just outside the Forbidden Zone.
>
>I don't see why other post-apocolyptic scenarios cannot be weaved into the
>realm of the POTA. LOGAN'S RUN would fit in very nicely.
>
>I would even go so far as to say that the visions of ROLLERBALL, SOYLENT
>GEEEN or the OMEGA MAN couldn't be blended into the dystopian world of
>CONQUEST.
>
>Who knows, maybe even TIME OF THE APES can be fit in!
>Bill
>
>
>In a message dated 2/15/2007 4:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>ntfoster@... writes:
>
>-- I was going to say that this could be a nice idea but after reading the
>violent opposition to a simple suggestion I am instead grabbing my helmet
>and
>ducking for cover again. ;-)
>
>For some there can never be anything else on the Planet of the 'Apes'
>other
>than what we saw in the first couple of movies.
>Myself, I like to imagine that there are many different surviving colonies
>of whatever type of beings scattered around the country (which remember is
>quite large!) and maybe even the world.
>That is probably why I liked the Marvel comics so much (and still do), at
>least their Planet of the Apes wasn't just THE Planet of the Apes.
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. PotaDG@yahoo PotaD On Behalf Of
>atragon1@...
>Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 6:07 AM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. Po
>Subject: Re: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 2/15/2007 1:43:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>abmac@... writes:
>
>
>
>On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:09 pm, _atragon1@..._ (mailto:atragon1@...)
>wrote:
>
>
>In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>_abmac@..._ (mailto:abmac@...) writes:
>
>If apes didn't control the rest of the planet, it could hardly have been
>called a PLANET of the APES, could it? Besides, the Old Man had cats, and
>we all
>know they were killed off by the plague from space.
>
>
>A nearly 40 year old franchise deserves more respect than this.
>
>
>Anthony
>
>
>
>
>************************
>This is true... however, if you recall, there was a dog in the first
>episode of the POTA TV series - so maybe cats & dogs were not totally
>extinct, but
>rather a very endangered species.
>
>As for respect, POTA already has that and anything said here can never
>change that.
>
>By the way, I dont recall any objections when the REVELUTION series
>casually mentions that the events from the film ROLLERBALL co-existed at
>the same
>time as the events of CONQEST.
>Bill
>
>
>
>Nope, it doesn't add up; Logan's Run's cats were very plentiful. Planet of
>the Apes had none whatsoever.
>
>
>We were given sample pages from Revolution before the comics were printed.
>I
>didn't care for the artwork, so I didn't waste my money buying them. Now I
>feel even better about my decision.
>
>
>Anthony
>
>
>
>
>*********************
>Well, perhaps there were pockets of cat colonies in the Forbidden Zone
>that
>we were never made aware of in the POTA films. Who knows?
>
>Don't hold the very off-the-cuff reference to the film ROLLERBALL against
>the REVOLUTION series ... it was really just a casual wink to that film
>and
>played no part in the storyline.
>
>But if the two did coexist, imagine a scene of the gorilla army storming
>the
>dome city and the sandmen defending it? That could make for quite a
>story...
>Bill
>
>.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Guys

I want to correct.

I meant maneating cockroaches.

Donna

>From: "DONNA SPIRES" <dspires501@...>
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:58:44 -0500
>
>Guys
>
>Don't forget DAMNATION ALLEY with the giant cockroaches.
>
>Donna
>
>
> >From: atragon1@...
> >Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> >To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes
> >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:07:15 EST
> >
> >
> >I totally agree Neil. The view we saw in POTA was a very small window
>into
> >what I think is a vast and diverse post-apocolyptic world. Giant ants or
> >radioactive monsters could be lurking just outside the Forbidden Zone.
> >
> >I don't see why other post-apocolyptic scenarios cannot be weaved into
>the
> >realm of the POTA. LOGAN'S RUN would fit in very nicely.
> >
> >I would even go so far as to say that the visions of ROLLERBALL,
>SOYLENT
> >GEEEN or the OMEGA MAN couldn't be blended into the dystopian world of
> >CONQUEST.
> >
> >Who knows, maybe even TIME OF THE APES can be fit in!
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 2/15/2007 4:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >ntfoster@... writes:
> >
> >-- I was going to say that this could be a nice idea but after reading
>the
> >violent opposition to a simple suggestion I am instead grabbing my
>helmet
> >and
> >ducking for cover again. ;-)
> >
> >For some there can never be anything else on the Planet of the 'Apes'
> >other
> >than what we saw in the first couple of movies.
> >Myself, I like to imagine that there are many different surviving
>colonies
> >of whatever type of beings scattered around the country (which remember
>is
> >quite large!) and maybe even the world.
> >That is probably why I liked the Marvel comics so much (and still do),
>at
> >least their Planet of the Apes wasn't just THE Planet of the Apes.
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. PotaDG@yahoo PotaD On Behalf Of
> >atragon1@...
> >Sent: Friday, 16 February 2007 6:07 AM
> >To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. Po
> >Subject: Re: [PotaDG] LOGAN's RUN...on the Planet of the Apes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 2/15/2007 1:43:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >abmac@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:09 pm, _atragon1@..._
>(mailto:atragon1@...)
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >_abmac@..._ (mailto:abmac@...) writes:
> >
> >If apes didn't control the rest of the planet, it could hardly have been
> >called a PLANET of the APES, could it? Besides, the Old Man had cats,
>and
> >we all
> >know they were killed off by the plague from space.
> >
> >
> >A nearly 40 year old franchise deserves more respect than this.
> >
> >
> >Anthony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >************************
> >This is true... however, if you recall, there was a dog in the first
> >episode of the POTA TV series - so maybe cats & dogs were not totally
> >extinct, but
> >rather a very endangered species.
> >
> >As for respect, POTA already has that and anything said here can never
> >change that.
> >
> >By the way, I dont recall any objections when the REVELUTION series
> >casually mentions that the events from the film ROLLERBALL co-existed at
> >the same
> >time as the events of CONQEST.
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >Nope, it doesn't add up; Logan's Run's cats were very plentiful. Planet
>of
> >the Apes had none whatsoever.
> >
> >
> >We were given sample pages from Revolution before the comics were
>printed.
> >I
> >didn't care for the artwork, so I didn't waste my money buying them. Now
>I
> >feel even better about my decision.
> >
> >
> >Anthony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >*********************
> >Well, perhaps there were pockets of cat colonies in the Forbidden Zone
> >that
> >we were never made aware of in the POTA films. Who knows?
> >
> >Don't hold the very off-the-cuff reference to the film ROLLERBALL
>against
> >the REVOLUTION series ... it was really just a casual wink to that film
> >and
> >played no part in the storyline.
> >
> >But if the two did coexist, imagine a scene of the gorilla army storming
> >the
> >dome city and the sandmen defending it? That could make for quite a
> >story...
> >Bill
> >
> >.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, atragon1@... wrote:
>

> Didnt Kirby do the layouts for THUNDAR THE BARBARIAN? I loved that show - it
> was CONAN meets the POTA.
>
> I would love to see someone like Bruce Timm do a KAMANDI cartoon series.
> Bill
>
 I think he  mainly did the concept drawings Bill, though I seem to remember comic writer Steve Gerber was involved as well.

Never saw the show not even sure it was ever shown inthe UK, which was a shame !!

Hasn't  Timm said some where he tried to get Kamandi going as a show a few years ago but to no avail ?

It would have been cool.

Best, Graham.